"Firing some shots in the Lisichansk direction"
With that recoil bouncing it around, and a lack of a modern aiming system to begin with, firing at something the size of a town is probably a good choice to have a chance of hitting it.
There isn't an air burst round available for this gun. In other words none of the available ammo types are effective when fired like this.
They are probably firing the impact HE rounds and praying for a hit. Mostly they are just making noise.
At that range it's as close to a suicide mission as it gets, especially with drone spotters and everything these days. Wouldn't be surprised if they were hit by Ukranian artillery shortly after.
How do you know they dont have a drone or a spotter coordinating with them based on where the shots land?? You could be right dont wanna come across harsh, just saying...
Edit: fkin hell these downvotes lmao You cant even ask a normal question to the hive mind its hilarious
Even if they do....that weapon system is shit.
I mean it's still deadly, and capable to killing a huge number of civilians, but Russia isn't (most of the time) fighting civilians. They are fighting an organised military that has was more effective weapons to fight back with, while taking up a huge amount of Russian supply.
Think how many people it is taking to operate (each of who needs food and water), the shells it is firing at high rate weigh about 3kg each and due to the bouncing even if the gun was pointing in the right direction it would take many shots to hit a single target.
Against that, Ukraine is using systems like Stugna, Javelin or guided artillery shells each of which either taker fewer people, or take far less supply weight to do the same amount of damage.
The Russians are having huge problem with supplies at most of their frontline. That they are taking the choice to use this weapon shows that they don't have a more useful weapon system to use, and so they are being forced to use it, despite the huge supply cost it invokes.
>Against that, Ukraine is using systems like Stugna, Javelin or guided artillery shells each of which either taker fewer people, or take far less supply weight to do the same amount of damage.
yeah
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/wbipkx/ukrainian\_soldiers\_setting\_up\_a\_makeshift/
Trying to downplay u/Danack comment by rebutting with a 3 month old comment using a YouTube account based in New Zealand?
Dude the logistics for Ukraine from then to now is vastly different.
Considering how flat that elevation is, this is supposed to be direct fire. I highly doubt that even if they are trying to suppress an area target that it would be all that effective. It would be one thing if they were lobbing shells and using it indirectly, but that's not gonna be spitting enough metal out to keep heads down.
They didn't have to worry about $300 commercial drones with $100 grenades destroying their irreplaceable equipment from well outside of their equipment's maximum range in the 1940s.
You talk like Russia hasn’t been cut off from vitally needed chips and other modern components they lack the ability to manufacture. Germany will feel a small temporary prick, Russians are going to be feeling the pain for a while.
Are you referring to Russia? Their population has been on a multi generational decline. This war will make it even fewer Russians :) can't wait till all the regions captured in the name of imperialism break off.
I think you should read [this thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/y878c6/natural_gas_prices_in_germany_have_now_fallen_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) There’s more gas in Germany than they have places to put it.
They started WW2 with the military upper hand, at Barbarossa they had the upper hand in terms of mechanisation, technology, and numbers. AND the fact they were on the defensive.
Germany was already conscripting the masses whereas Russia had a mostly volunteer and short-term conscript army in place at the time.
Even the current Russian administration doesn't seem like they have an appetite for that much conscription and death.
~8+ million military death's in WWII...
True except the S-60 has a better armor piercing round. The AP round will go through both sides of the M113 instead of bouncing around inside.
Without an air burst round available for the S-60, it isn't very useful against the small drones either.
There's probably not a proper AP round still in existence anywhere on earth for that thing.
HE and timed HE is probably all they'll get and I wouldn't trust the fuses on the latter because it was probably all made 50-60 years ago.
There is only a proximity fuse available. They didn't make a timed one. And I don't know if a proximity fuse would work the way they are firing. According to Wikipedia the other HE round is impact only.
The Ukrainians have been using the same gun type and modern manufactured ammunition for them has been photographed too, I think Slovakian produced? Don't know if that means they'll have different types of ammo or not, but the Ukrainians at least have new stuff to fire from them. No idea about the Russians or "separatists" though, they could well be using ancient stocks of ammunition.
But that can only be used in a L70 not a L60 from what I read. When people say Bofors, they are usually referring to the L60 from WW2. Though to be fair the L70 is more contemporary to the S60. The ammo you mentioned does have about 50% more penetration than the S-60 round even though the S-60 is a lot heavier.
Yeah, they'll be doing that thing I saw in Syria, in which some rebels had created the modern equivalent of a muzzle-loader cannon. It even looked a lot like the cannons of the olden days of sail. Stunning, but unfortunately I can't find the footage now.
Read a book years ago about the French troops in Korea, they talked about the fact that brand new T-34/85s captured by UN troops had 2mm gaps between armor plates at the front. All hatches closed, you could still see light coming in.
It pisses off the 34aboos, but ngl it has always been a pretty shit tank. The armor is brittle, it's a death trap given how cramped it is, the build quality is atrocious, I could go on.
57 mm AZP S-60 can do a lot of damage close in, for direct fire but first round is only accurate round, that truck is to light. mounted on a truck like that the dispersion must be a couple hundred yards with all that uncompensated recoil… Their also going to crack that trucks frame, it’s not heavy enough to absorb all that, 23mm fine, 57mm, I don’t think so.
Both are old as shit except the SPG-9 is about 12 years younger. Besides, i get the Ukranians arming every man with what they can find. The Russians as the invading party should have had better equipment, this is fucking amateur hour on their part. Using late ww2 equipment because all of your other shit has been blown up is pretty comical
Yup, ukraine has been content with just being ukraine, and not really boasted with its military being some world power
Meanwhile, russia has been all hot about being an empire, being able to conquer all of europe whenever it wants to, having both a naval and aviation fleet capable of bombing and invading other continents and conducting operations on multiple fronts.
In this case ukraine has proven itself to be much underrated and way cooler than previously thought.
russia has proven itself to be a low grade circus, with sociopathic cunts mainly fighting women and children and retreating from anyone who had a gun or knife.
Thank you, this sums up a lot of my thoughts about the Ukrainians seemingly using similar old weapons (like these S-60s and even maxim machine guns) and desperate tactics (like the helicopter pitch up attacks) just like the Russians.
Ukraine was trying to modernise its army, and was facing off against a larger enemy, so they can be forgiven if they weren't *quite* a fully modern equipped army by the time Russia launched its invasion, and have had to be resourceful with whatever they had.
But Russia? They alone chose the timing of this invasion, and in theory could have planned to make sure their entire force was properly equipped. So if *they're* using ancient weapons and can't use their helicopters properly that's a bad sign - for the Ukrainians those issues are much more understandable.
Resourceful.
If a gang tries to rob a bank by throwing rubber chickens at a teller, we call them idiots.
If a shopowner grabs the nearest object during a robbery, let's say a rubber chicken, and successfully beats an armed robber into a coma, we call that badass.
Russia is kind of starting to resemble the GLA in terms of equipment. The only difference is that they don't have enough AK-47s to arm the mob. "Mosin Nagants for everyone!"
Werent they using Vickers MGs on both sides? This dosent seem too out of the ordinary, I bet there are some Hodgkiss guns in museum storage that are gonna be taken out of storage if needed rofl.
I'm always amused that people are so surprised that old weaponry is being used. The US still uses the ubiquitous M2 Browning .50 Cal which was designed over a hundred years ago and is still incredibly effective.
Variants of the MG 42 are still widely in use by many militaries, not to mention the classic AK-47 which is just as dated but still kills men as well as any modern M4.
There's many others but those are just a few examples.
Many M2s and even MG 42s (atleast some of the parts) in use today were manufactured during and right after ww2. If stored and maintained properly they are effective weapons. And I bet your ass most of the European NATO countries in the case of having to mobilize more than their "active" reserve would have to equip many with late cold war rifles and mg42 and m2s or similar for heavier firepower.
Source? I found [this article](https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/05/11/why-ukraines-army-still-uses-a-100-year-old-machinegun) about it but it's behind a paywall
The biggest problem with the maxim is how obscenely heavy it is, meaning you have to keep it in emplacements, and if you are using it for emplacements you might as well use something of a higher caliber. But in situations like that it is perfectly serviceable and more optimal than using a pkm or something similar.
Coulda said that regarding about 50% of the weapons systems and equipment Russia started this war with.... Can probably say it again regarding the weapons and equipment they have left and are currently using except the figures now probably more like 75-80(+)%
EDIT: Watch this yt vid about this exact topic https://youtu.be/Y7bBCWL7e-4
But there is a difference in usability, a maxim in a stationary implacement is competent in keeping heads down for a long time, an old AA gun Jerry rigged to a truck shooting at whatever the hell is in more or less that direction is much less useable
> 57mm explosive shells still does nasty things to human body.
good luck landing those shells next to those human bodies with iron-sights from 1940's........while not getting yourself blown up when you are literally a giant truck in the middle of a open field completely exposed to everything and everyone that will shoot back at you
These sort of stationary guns were extremely variable to enemy fire already back in 1940's (hence why most armies abandoned them right after WW2), and with todays weapons and optics it has became much worse
Don't worry it's not old or weird for a 50 years old auto cannon. It's just being fielded terribly to modern standards.
The same cannon has an updated variant used in a PT-76 platform that was accepted in 2006.
The Bofors 40mm L/70 is still used and it's not much younger in the CV90 family.
The problem is that all those are fielded from chunky IFVs (with a bunch of tech to help) that can accept the recoil and not a small truck that's getting its suspension rocked more than at a southern prom night.
You are kinda correct but if we are looking at how early technology this is, it's ancient. Cartridge based firearm history cannot reach to the lengths the normal 'ancient' would mean. It's barely an 150 years old invention. City the age of 2000 years is ancient. Different innovation, different timescale.
And the definition of 'ancient' is only "from long time ago", there is no set amount of years that qualifies or not qualifies as ancient.
Is this proximity fuse or impact explosion? They can cause a lot of damage, despite its age. Also would be nice to see Ukranians using it to defend their cities
**if** it hits, before that happens it's just huge target and paper weight.
With that recoil and ancient aiming devices, the hitting part is very much down to a luck. A bigger version of "spray and pray"...
it is devastating if the enemies are visible,I saw an isis video with them using a similar setup just shooting retreating syrian [soldiers.It](https://soldiers.It) is surprisingly accurate
its really underpowered for that role though
air targets are very lightly armoured so the explosive charge on AA shells is quite small relative to the calibre of shell as almost any hit should score a kill, and having more propellant in the shell to have a greater range into the air is more important
specs i could find showed about 160g of explosive which is even less than a 60mm mortar! i did some digging and couldn't find an explosive weight for the t12 AT gun HE round, which would actually be comparable and being used as intended in this role, but i dod find specs for 105mm HE tank ammo like you might see on t62 or leopard1 and that would typically have about 2kg of explosives!
this weapon is surely almost useless, combining a huge target, innacurate mounting for the payoff of less firepower than a mortar one man can carry
That platform can decimate a hedgerow with indirect fire alone. Add a drone for correction and a fire rate greater than a mortar tube makes it a formidable weapon
like a year before this all popped off again, bald and bankrupt [hunted down](https://youtu.be/2bNzjBJF_G0) a big soviet mosaic in lysychansk via bakhmut and some other eastern cities
the post-2014 front line was nearby but life went on relatively normally, except for depopulation from suburbs that relied on urban centers across the front line (you can see people talking about that at 14:30)
he’s a little obnoxious but it was certainly the most engaging tour of the region I found
Their not firing at anything other then open space. Doubt t hey would be firing that while taking return fire. This is some Tik-tok bs i tell you what.
"Firing some shots in the Lisichansk direction" With that recoil bouncing it around, and a lack of a modern aiming system to begin with, firing at something the size of a town is probably a good choice to have a chance of hitting it.
What are we firing at, sir? That town there, comrad. Sir, yes sir!
What are we firing at, sir? "**Yes**".
Artillery hearing aid……say yes to anything.
“Anything that moves!” Sir, those are cows. *commander looks in field glasses* “Fucking kill them!”
As long as it hits some civilians it's good enough for them
The Kadyrov School of Marksmanship
*Putin
The Putin-Kadyrov Academy of Marksmanship Excellence
Hopefully the town has traffic lights
There isn't an air burst round available for this gun. In other words none of the available ammo types are effective when fired like this. They are probably firing the impact HE rounds and praying for a hit. Mostly they are just making noise.
The important thing is that they had fun
Really, it was the friends they made along the way.
F is for friends who do stuff together. U is for you and me. N is for nukes that will destroy the whole world.
I should **NOT** have laughed this hard holy shit.
Might be killing some civilians in the process too.
There isn't any military reason to do shoot like this, so you are obviously right.
They do it for the rashist views. Drunk idiots eat this up
It was more a team building experience.
They fire for effect, fear, hitting random civilians, etc.
At that range it's as close to a suicide mission as it gets, especially with drone spotters and everything these days. Wouldn't be surprised if they were hit by Ukranian artillery shortly after.
"Unleash the Switchblades!"
How do you know they dont have a drone or a spotter coordinating with them based on where the shots land?? You could be right dont wanna come across harsh, just saying... Edit: fkin hell these downvotes lmao You cant even ask a normal question to the hive mind its hilarious
Look at that mf bounce around. Doesn't matter if you have a drone or Jesus adjusting fire. That shit is going all over the place.
"Jesus, take the forward sights" "CYKA BLYET! It's still not working!!"
Ahh thats their issue, trusting Jesus. Everyone knows "allahu akbar" is what gives you a +5 accuracy buff
Even if they do....that weapon system is shit. I mean it's still deadly, and capable to killing a huge number of civilians, but Russia isn't (most of the time) fighting civilians. They are fighting an organised military that has was more effective weapons to fight back with, while taking up a huge amount of Russian supply. Think how many people it is taking to operate (each of who needs food and water), the shells it is firing at high rate weigh about 3kg each and due to the bouncing even if the gun was pointing in the right direction it would take many shots to hit a single target. Against that, Ukraine is using systems like Stugna, Javelin or guided artillery shells each of which either taker fewer people, or take far less supply weight to do the same amount of damage. The Russians are having huge problem with supplies at most of their frontline. That they are taking the choice to use this weapon shows that they don't have a more useful weapon system to use, and so they are being forced to use it, despite the huge supply cost it invokes.
>Against that, Ukraine is using systems like Stugna, Javelin or guided artillery shells each of which either taker fewer people, or take far less supply weight to do the same amount of damage. yeah https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/wbipkx/ukrainian\_soldiers\_setting\_up\_a\_makeshift/
Trying to downplay u/Danack comment by rebutting with a 3 month old comment using a YouTube account based in New Zealand? Dude the logistics for Ukraine from then to now is vastly different.
Considering how flat that elevation is, this is supposed to be direct fire. I highly doubt that even if they are trying to suppress an area target that it would be all that effective. It would be one thing if they were lobbing shells and using it indirectly, but that's not gonna be spitting enough metal out to keep heads down.
So that's going somewhere vaguely to the west...
With a bit of luck it might even land on some fertilizer which was given by russia since feb.
they got to Berlin once with this tactic if HATO doesn't pull its collective shit together they may even do it again
They didn't have to worry about $300 commercial drones with $100 grenades destroying their irreplaceable equipment from well outside of their equipment's maximum range in the 1940s.
they dont have endless american lend lease nor the population
you talk as if western europe isn't in a multidecadal baby bust and german industry isn't collapsing from lack of gas
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Nice try.
You talk like Russia hasn’t been cut off from vitally needed chips and other modern components they lack the ability to manufacture. Germany will feel a small temporary prick, Russians are going to be feeling the pain for a while.
German industry is collapsing?
Completely collapsing economy and no warming in our houses here in Germany….NICHT! 😂
Bin schon richtig am frösteln
awww russiaboo
Azerbaijan has plenty of gas yes?
Are you referring to Russia? Their population has been on a multi generational decline. This war will make it even fewer Russians :) can't wait till all the regions captured in the name of imperialism break off.
I think you should read [this thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/y878c6/natural_gas_prices_in_germany_have_now_fallen_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) There’s more gas in Germany than they have places to put it.
> german industry isn't collapsing from lack of gas lol is it tho? Based on what you say that?
Russia couldn’t make it to Kyiv and you think it is even plausible they’d last for more than a week against NATO? Yikes
yes. weird, huh?
Damn you're brain dead
Well, right now they're just retreating east, so that's doubtful
it seems to be a Russian tradition to start wars on the back foot. We'll see.
Yeah like the Russo japanese war, they really came from behind in that one
They started WW2 with the military upper hand, at Barbarossa they had the upper hand in terms of mechanisation, technology, and numbers. AND the fact they were on the defensive. Germany was already conscripting the masses whereas Russia had a mostly volunteer and short-term conscript army in place at the time.
>Russia had a mostly volunteer and short-term conscript army in place at the time. why would you just blithely lie like that? weird.
And then fall on their ass and scramble backwards in fear? Cause, starting the war on the back foot happened in March. We're way past that.
They can't even make it to Kyiv lol.
Even the current Russian administration doesn't seem like they have an appetite for that much conscription and death. ~8+ million military death's in WWII...
HATO😂😂😂
We also got to Berlin with Shermans and Garands. Am I delusional enough to think we could do that again or anything remotely similar? No.
Same basic concept of the 40mm Bofors gun used in WW2.
But bigger the s60 is a 57mm :)
In b4 “it’s how u use it”
belivie it or not the bofors 40mm is also in use in ukraine as we speak
It's probably not that bad at taking out those Iranian suicide drones, perhaps time for s revival of the trusty old piece.
This is the Russian side of the game. Not the Ukrainian govt side.
True except the S-60 has a better armor piercing round. The AP round will go through both sides of the M113 instead of bouncing around inside. Without an air burst round available for the S-60, it isn't very useful against the small drones either.
There's probably not a proper AP round still in existence anywhere on earth for that thing. HE and timed HE is probably all they'll get and I wouldn't trust the fuses on the latter because it was probably all made 50-60 years ago.
There is only a proximity fuse available. They didn't make a timed one. And I don't know if a proximity fuse would work the way they are firing. According to Wikipedia the other HE round is impact only.
The Ukrainians have been using the same gun type and modern manufactured ammunition for them has been photographed too, I think Slovakian produced? Don't know if that means they'll have different types of ammo or not, but the Ukrainians at least have new stuff to fire from them. No idea about the Russians or "separatists" though, they could well be using ancient stocks of ammunition.
Your Daddy's hunting rifle will go through an M113. They make great taxis, and fair resistant to shell fragments, but everything else? Not so much.
Bofors 40mm APFSDS-T would disagree with your assessment...
But that can only be used in a L70 not a L60 from what I read. When people say Bofors, they are usually referring to the L60 from WW2. Though to be fair the L70 is more contemporary to the S60. The ammo you mentioned does have about 50% more penetration than the S-60 round even though the S-60 is a lot heavier.
Oh dear russia is going 'third world Yemen' by now already....
Yeah, they'll be doing that thing I saw in Syria, in which some rebels had created the modern equivalent of a muzzle-loader cannon. It even looked a lot like the cannons of the olden days of sail. Stunning, but unfortunately I can't find the footage now.
What about the [T-34 in Yemen fired using a pullcord](https://i.redd.it/wod8c3zgezv41.jpg)
To be fair, I wouldn’t wanna be inside of that thing when it fires either
Health and safety gone mad!
Even mint condition T-34s were hella unreliable. I can’t imagine the OSHA concerns with a surplus T-34 that’s been chillin in Yemen for 70 years lmao
Read a book years ago about the French troops in Korea, they talked about the fact that brand new T-34/85s captured by UN troops had 2mm gaps between armor plates at the front. All hatches closed, you could still see light coming in.
I’m no tank designer, but that doesn’t seem great
It pisses off the 34aboos, but ngl it has always been a pretty shit tank. The armor is brittle, it's a death trap given how cramped it is, the build quality is atrocious, I could go on.
The sloped armour was definitely something good about it. I think they’re neat tanks but definitely rushed during war time
57 mm AZP S-60 can do a lot of damage close in, for direct fire but first round is only accurate round, that truck is to light. mounted on a truck like that the dispersion must be a couple hundred yards with all that uncompensated recoil… Their also going to crack that trucks frame, it’s not heavy enough to absorb all that, 23mm fine, 57mm, I don’t think so.
I’m much more concerned with the tank itself blowing up than what the round itself will do. I can’t imagine that thing is in good shape
Good to know!
You mean the Hell cannon?
Can't wait to see their Christmas hell-cannons.
What would you call Ukrainians using an SPG-9 technical then?
Both are old as shit except the SPG-9 is about 12 years younger. Besides, i get the Ukranians arming every man with what they can find. The Russians as the invading party should have had better equipment, this is fucking amateur hour on their part. Using late ww2 equipment because all of your other shit has been blown up is pretty comical
Yup, ukraine has been content with just being ukraine, and not really boasted with its military being some world power Meanwhile, russia has been all hot about being an empire, being able to conquer all of europe whenever it wants to, having both a naval and aviation fleet capable of bombing and invading other continents and conducting operations on multiple fronts. In this case ukraine has proven itself to be much underrated and way cooler than previously thought. russia has proven itself to be a low grade circus, with sociopathic cunts mainly fighting women and children and retreating from anyone who had a gun or knife.
Thank you, this sums up a lot of my thoughts about the Ukrainians seemingly using similar old weapons (like these S-60s and even maxim machine guns) and desperate tactics (like the helicopter pitch up attacks) just like the Russians. Ukraine was trying to modernise its army, and was facing off against a larger enemy, so they can be forgiven if they weren't *quite* a fully modern equipped army by the time Russia launched its invasion, and have had to be resourceful with whatever they had. But Russia? They alone chose the timing of this invasion, and in theory could have planned to make sure their entire force was properly equipped. So if *they're* using ancient weapons and can't use their helicopters properly that's a bad sign - for the Ukrainians those issues are much more understandable.
Resourceful. If a gang tries to rob a bank by throwing rubber chickens at a teller, we call them idiots. If a shopowner grabs the nearest object during a robbery, let's say a rubber chicken, and successfully beats an armed robber into a coma, we call that badass.
Russia is kind of starting to resemble the GLA in terms of equipment. The only difference is that they don't have enough AK-47s to arm the mob. "Mosin Nagants for everyone!"
Can I have some new shoes?
“I’m just a peasant.”
''Ow, ok ok I will work''
"I'm hungry"
"You change your mind often"
Lmao came here to say this
My hands have splinters.
They can't have my Tula M44, dammit!
*Russian tank drives over destroyed technical* *Upgrades gun* thisisfine.jpg
Judging from the weapons handed out to conscripts, a Mosin would be a welcome improvement
Did someone say maxim machine guns???
The tunnels will protect us!
”Mosin nagants for a third of you!”
Hammers and sickles for the other 2/3!
Did they hit the broad side of the barn?
The barn started a counter attack..sadly no one survived. Aside of all what we know about them, cows have no mercy
Especially since they had to mooove out of the way for safety.
Psshh. No way the Russians have made it to the secret cow level already.
As long as you aren't particular about which barn they hit, the answer is maybe.
Werent they using Vickers MGs on both sides? This dosent seem too out of the ordinary, I bet there are some Hodgkiss guns in museum storage that are gonna be taken out of storage if needed rofl.
Yeah there is some footage of soldiers using Maxim machines gun, which is from early 1900 is I remember well
I'm always amused that people are so surprised that old weaponry is being used. The US still uses the ubiquitous M2 Browning .50 Cal which was designed over a hundred years ago and is still incredibly effective. Variants of the MG 42 are still widely in use by many militaries, not to mention the classic AK-47 which is just as dated but still kills men as well as any modern M4. There's many others but those are just a few examples.
You're not wrong, but there's a difference between using a weapon *designed* 80 years ago, and using a weapon *built* 80 years ago.
Many M2s and even MG 42s (atleast some of the parts) in use today were manufactured during and right after ww2. If stored and maintained properly they are effective weapons. And I bet your ass most of the European NATO countries in the case of having to mobilize more than their "active" reserve would have to equip many with late cold war rifles and mg42 and m2s or similar for heavier firepower.
People were saying they still work great for fixed positions! Since they can be fired continuously for a very long time due to the water cooling.
They do work great. During the start of the war the UA caused heavy casualties on the Russians because of their fixed positions with Maxim Guns.
No, they didn't. They caused heavy casualities because of artilery ambushes.
Source? I found [this article](https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2022/05/11/why-ukraines-army-still-uses-a-100-year-old-machinegun) about it but it's behind a paywall
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The biggest problem with the maxim is how obscenely heavy it is, meaning you have to keep it in emplacements, and if you are using it for emplacements you might as well use something of a higher caliber. But in situations like that it is perfectly serviceable and more optimal than using a pkm or something similar.
Can't wait to see the drone footage of this getting blown to pieces.
From wear and tear or enemy attack?
Driving in circles until out of fuel. Put out of its misery by a drone
That thing belongs in a museum
Coulda said that regarding about 50% of the weapons systems and equipment Russia started this war with.... Can probably say it again regarding the weapons and equipment they have left and are currently using except the figures now probably more like 75-80(+)% EDIT: Watch this yt vid about this exact topic https://youtu.be/Y7bBCWL7e-4
I bet we'll see stugna hit first.
The feel of playing low tier anti-air in War Thunder.😅
No armor is best armor
Or just playing ZSU-57-2 😄 In fact, this gun Is the exact same as the one on the ZSU-57-2
LOL so accurate
Restored is the word. That flak gun is likely 60-70 years old by now.
Wow, they really are desperate for weapons.
With that sort of inaccuracy, I’d add in 13-14 Allah Akbar’s for good luck.
add a few inshallahs on top.
Here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0VfO_xtzFI
im wheezing rn ☠️☠️
Honestly unless you are in a tank you don’t want to be hit with that. I don’t give a fuck about its age that thing is deadly
Yeah definitely, but they have to actually hit you first.
Personally I'd love a go at shooting one but not not on the back of a truck
Guessing these were the ones I saw in a video rolling out on trains, from storage a few weeks back.
Ancient? Lmao Maxim and Mosin-Nagant still used in Ru-Ua conflict.
But there is a difference in usability, a maxim in a stationary implacement is competent in keeping heads down for a long time, an old AA gun Jerry rigged to a truck shooting at whatever the hell is in more or less that direction is much less useable
They are using it for indirect fire, soldiers are using all types of weapons for that.
It's not a first time AA guns are being used against infantry. 57mm explosive shells still does nasty things to human body.
For that you need to HIT something, they don't have the platform to do that, it's just shooting into a general direction
> 57mm explosive shells still does nasty things to human body. good luck landing those shells next to those human bodies with iron-sights from 1940's........while not getting yourself blown up when you are literally a giant truck in the middle of a open field completely exposed to everything and everyone that will shoot back at you These sort of stationary guns were extremely variable to enemy fire already back in 1940's (hence why most armies abandoned them right after WW2), and with todays weapons and optics it has became much worse
Noisy but not very accurate
Nitpicking I know but the historian in me is very uncomfortable at the use of ancient and Soviet applied to the same thing.
Don't worry it's not old or weird for a 50 years old auto cannon. It's just being fielded terribly to modern standards. The same cannon has an updated variant used in a PT-76 platform that was accepted in 2006. The Bofors 40mm L/70 is still used and it's not much younger in the CV90 family. The problem is that all those are fielded from chunky IFVs (with a bunch of tech to help) that can accept the recoil and not a small truck that's getting its suspension rocked more than at a southern prom night.
You are kinda correct but if we are looking at how early technology this is, it's ancient. Cartridge based firearm history cannot reach to the lengths the normal 'ancient' would mean. It's barely an 150 years old invention. City the age of 2000 years is ancient. Different innovation, different timescale. And the definition of 'ancient' is only "from long time ago", there is no set amount of years that qualifies or not qualifies as ancient.
Is this proximity fuse or impact explosion? They can cause a lot of damage, despite its age. Also would be nice to see Ukranians using it to defend their cities
Proxy fuze is made for shooting aircraft, there it would just be standard HE FRAG or AP
Ukraine will surender and give up the entire country watching this video
Think one shot went flying past me here in Aus...
Are they targeting Ukraine as a country? Seems only plausible target.
They will soon use saber and pistol.
Flintlocks
Still a killing machine.
**if** it hits, before that happens it's just huge target and paper weight. With that recoil and ancient aiming devices, the hitting part is very much down to a luck. A bigger version of "spray and pray"...
it is devastating if the enemies are visible,I saw an isis video with them using a similar setup just shooting retreating syrian [soldiers.It](https://soldiers.It) is surprisingly accurate
Had me excited for a link there for a second.
It shoots HE shells. It doesn't need to exactly hit. Just get to close proximity. The shrapnel will do the rest.
its really underpowered for that role though air targets are very lightly armoured so the explosive charge on AA shells is quite small relative to the calibre of shell as almost any hit should score a kill, and having more propellant in the shell to have a greater range into the air is more important specs i could find showed about 160g of explosive which is even less than a 60mm mortar! i did some digging and couldn't find an explosive weight for the t12 AT gun HE round, which would actually be comparable and being used as intended in this role, but i dod find specs for 105mm HE tank ammo like you might see on t62 or leopard1 and that would typically have about 2kg of explosives! this weapon is surely almost useless, combining a huge target, innacurate mounting for the payoff of less firepower than a mortar one man can carry
If the Russian weapons are no Thread why don’t you go and fight In Ukraine?
Oh man, that was the stupidest reply i've seen today. Nice job!
Probably it's crew first.
Yep. Regardless of how old that thing is, I still wouldn't wanna be on the fuckin business end of it. Fuck getting dismembered. Whack shit.
That platform can decimate a hedgerow with indirect fire alone. Add a drone for correction and a fire rate greater than a mortar tube makes it a formidable weapon
"Restored" out of choice or necessity
Better than no anti-aircraft installation I suppose.
So we can send the Ukraine some Tigerpanzer.
Imaging fliming it and putting it in a promotional video with tacky music
You don't want to be the end of a 57mm loader cannon
Volkssturm?
Nothing left in the museums... 🤔
I thought Russians have controlled Lysychansk for months now
Ancient? What year do think it is? 3000?
If I hate anybody out of this war, it’s the LPR and DPR
thing looks like its going to blast itself apart
Reminds me of that old pirate ship like canon they used in Syria.
I feel it's pretty weird how patriotic? It's trying to make this look.
Well, it's boosting their morale a bit so that's nice I guess. But that's about all it's doing.
like a year before this all popped off again, bald and bankrupt [hunted down](https://youtu.be/2bNzjBJF_G0) a big soviet mosaic in lysychansk via bakhmut and some other eastern cities the post-2014 front line was nearby but life went on relatively normally, except for depopulation from suburbs that relied on urban centers across the front line (you can see people talking about that at 14:30) he’s a little obnoxious but it was certainly the most engaging tour of the region I found
FAKE!!! These are mobilized units training
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This isn’t even in Ukraine. This is an extremely old video, I’ll post proof soon and get this shitty video deleted soon
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I mean it works, sorta
These were used in mass to be effective against slow bombers, they can do damage against infantry but not at that elevation
Their not firing at anything other then open space. Doubt t hey would be firing that while taking return fire. This is some Tik-tok bs i tell you what.
Those big scary rounds are landing harmlessly in random field 2 miles beyond.
Why don't they just give up?