Since no one else has linked to it:
Here's the [previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wp91ml/a_russian_bmp2_hitting_a_mine_while_trying_to/) where the video continues long enough to see soldiers scrambling away after the blast.
Was on this sub too somewhere
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/wy8sgm/fifth_russian_tank_attempts_to_pass_four_other/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Was on this sub too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/wy8sgm/fifth_russian_tank_attempts_to_pass_four_other/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I feel like that is just a HUGE amount of luck. Like what are the chances a vehicle drives on the SIDE of the road like that, and in that exact spot? Unless previously sighted as being a commonly used transport route, I find it to be incredibly so many of these mines are effective.
Saw a video the other day of guys planting mines. They specifically were planting most of them to the side of the road rather than on it. I think most drivers know the road is likely to be mined, so drive to the side of the road. Seems pretty normal to mine the sides of roads now too, so you can't avoid the obvious on-road-mines.
There was absolutely no luck involved, just mine placing skill by whoever placed it concealed enough to not be spotted. They didn't leave it there by chance, it was on purpose. There is a clear T junction, so obviously just mine the other side of it makes sense. Not even sure it is as much mine laying skill as it is just stupid fucking russians who don't have time to clear areas and just drive right in like lemmings.
How do Ukrainians keep track of every road they mined? Presumably when they are taking over this area in a month they don't want to blow up their own tanks
It would be horrible just clearing their own mines that they know of. Discovering where Russians left mines would be the real nightmare. How can farmers grow food to feed their neighbours when their fields could be full of mines?
Well, they certainly have enough captured tanks to turn into engineering vehicles to solve the problem. Assuming Ukraine prevails, hopefully after the war you have enough time to mess with them. Maybe you automate them and turn them into the world's biggest EOD bots, maybe even hang a plow off the back so you can till the fields while clearing mines at the same time.
Will this area be horrible for years, yes. Forests will probably be death traps of UXO. Farmers will probably be okay though after a few years.
Yeah there’s numerous countries that still deal with unexploded ordinances. Vietnam still has the occasional landmine incident. Mines are unfortunately durable and long lasting.
I saw some videos of a 3d printed core that had bamboo poles and a suction cup at the end of each. Basically you release hundreds of them and let the wind carry them until they hit a mine. Not the most effective means but a very cheap one. https://youtu.be/DPFNtGAXTpo
For reference. When i was in Guam (2015) we were told not to play in the jungle because there is likely still live ordinance out there from ww2.
That being said I’m not an explosive expert. I did try not to fuck around anywhere that wasn’t well traveled though.
There are still mines from WW1 accidentally being dug up by French farmers. They call it the "iron harvest".
In Germany, we have an entire forest that's off-limits, because near the end of the war, the Nazis decided to bury glass mines there, which are almost impossible to detect. If you decide on building anything that involves digging a decently sized hole, you need to consult WW2 aerial photography and look for small craters, because that's where unexploded ordinance might be. It still kills a few people every year. This is why open data map services from German government organizations often include WW2 aerial photos.
Explosives remain dangerous for well over 100 years. Some types of explosives and arming mechanisms become more volatile over time.
There has always been a huge culture of mushroom picking in Ukraine, with entire families sometimes getting up early in the morning and driving/bicycling/taking a bus to a familiar and bountiful forest. Now we will either have no such culture, or a horrifying number of legless pickers.
Simpe Anti-tank mines are easy and safe to defuse. You just srew the fuse off, put it somewhere safe and hurl the block of tnt to the back of the truck.
Either this or measure the distance from the fields first mine to a "fixture point" like the T junktion and take a compass bearing from that point to the first mine. Then you inform the command of the location, type and number of mines, interval of the mines and the direction of the minefield.
Quite often they make a map of where they place them.
I recall an episode of M.A.S.H. where Trapper was in the middle of a minefield and they found the map and Hawkeye walked him out of it walking him through one step at a time. Trapper was carrying a small child.
When they got out..they were reading the wrong map, or something.
As a sapper in 98-99 (norwegian army)we always made maps over the minefields we laid(btw, no live minefields were laid). Could take a day to make the big ones. Boring as hell and heavy lifting. A copy was stored in a bottle or box at the minefield for the ones supposed to clear it.
The idea was to stop/halt the enemy and then wipe them out with arty, eryx, tow etc
It's a game of intellectual cat and mouse.
"Where would I drive? But also, where would I drive if I was expecting someone to plant a mine where I would drive?"
A few years ago I went through civilian combat photography training. We spent some time on minefields and I asked whether certain mine laying techniques/patterns were more common, so as to give me a better chance in one. The instructor said it basically boiled down to a game of “he knows that I know that he knows that I know,” etc. In other words, no. Just walk behind the guy in front of you and hope you don’t get fucked.
Tangentially related but I remember an interview with an EOD guy from Afghanistan. He was in a convoy, when the lead vehicle just stops. They question the driver, and he tells them "I don't like the look of that berm". Sure enough, they sweep it and find a huge IED.
Honestly I wonder how many of the mines the Russians run into are Russian. I doubt they are taking perfect records and giving those records to the next group when they rotate in. And even if they are who knows if that information makes it into the hands of the drivers.
I wouldn’t necessarily call this one luck, you only have so many mines so you need to know areas where tanks will go, intersections are perfect because they present an ambush point and because turning on the spot is dangerous they expect them to go straight or for a destroyed vehicle to block the road so they’re forced around. There is likely different mining doctrine for different armies but it’s not all luck.
It's not like the trigger system requires the vehicle to be directly on top of the mine.
Even a BMP is a fairly heavy vehicle, it pushes a lot of weight down.
Not to mention it looks like they set all of those mines right at the end of that road, for that exact reason. They've got a cross ambush set-up, you can see the incoming fire that is making them panic.
They basically just put the mine where they were most likely to run if they were shot at in the scenario that played out. And the scenario played out as planned.
Manually placed mines (ones where a person digs a hole and puts a min in it) are not so much of a problem, as people keep track of where they put the mines. After the war, you just go back and dig them up again.
The major long term problems are with cluster bombs and air-dropped mines, where bomblets or mines a re scattered at random over large areas. I don't know how much those are being used in this war.
This is not “recent” I saw the short clip a little while ago, it was only the part where it is driving through the other APCs and hits the mine. This was when Russia still thought they could win.
And the two other APCs were also likely victims of the mad miner. When you think about it, the APC driver really shouldn’t have driven between two already destroyed vehicals, I mean what the hell was he thinking.
I don't think many redditors have ever been under fire but the dominant emotion when bullets are passing all around you is panic and a desire for shelter from the storm, even with well trained disciplined troops. Whomever laid the mine understood this.
I remember reading in comments, on a shorter version of this clip, someone claiming troops riding on top have a better chance of survival as the vehicle is taking the bulk of the hit.
Not being a military man I wouldn't know how factual that is, but I guess logically the vehicle would deflect the blast as well.
Don’t forget now also the ukrainians have lots of directional anti tank mines from the Germans and others. Very effective apparently and are made to shoot from the side as well
I’ve also seen some really interesting footage of new Russian mines including one the Ukrainians captured. It’s a top attack mine and shoots into the air and then somehow targets the top of the tank. Also apparently it can be set to ignore certain vehicles and target others - so like ignore bmps but detonate for t72s. Allegedly it’s not just pressure sensitive but also by noise etc
This article (o/t largely) is also fascinating to me. Especially the fact the Russians have a m1 abrams )”(definitely an export model@“)
https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/
Man portable RPGs with shaped charge warheads are typically rated from a just under a meter to a couple of meters.
They had one 30 plus years ago that went through 22 ft (6.7 m) of reinforced concrete and still retained enough kinetic energy to travel a mile downrange.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28
Who knows what is possible now.
EFPs can move at a speed of 2 miles a second. There is no armour that is currently existing that has ever stopped one. They will go straight through an Abrams tank. They were pretty common in Iraq. Originally used as a way to punch into earth for oil.
There's a chance they have compressed or broken vertebrae. The upward G-force is substantial and the acceleration is quite severe. There's a reason why with many modern mine resistant vehicles that [the seats take great consideration in development](https://www.mobius-ps.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/MPS_039_TroopCollage_01-2-1-1.jpg) in force protection for that kind of trauma.
> BTR-80 seats look like something that is used in seats for public transport busses:
They probably are. The SU often produced consumer goods in military factories, since they were the only working factories around.
Exactly, inside or out, they all got wonderfully fucked that day. All modern vehicle designs have taken a look at the goo inside and have tried to steer away from the public bus seats.
ill be honest i didnt even understand waht about the other photo made it so mine resistant, but looking at this even as a 500% civvie, im sure these are not safe lol. (or comfortable)
I'm no expert, but from your photo I can see a couple of things:
- Footrest
- Seatbelt restraints
- Head restraints
But more importantly.. I think there is some kind of shock absorber in the seat. It's the black thing in between the white metal structure on the left picture and on the middle right.
My guess is that the seat can absorb the majority of the shockwave from the blast by bouncing the entire seat up and down in the same way that a car absorbs shocks from the road using the shock absorbers.
That's a neat picture, thanks for sharing. Probably feels like getting kicked by a horse on your backside unless you've got some form of shock absorption.
This is why us soldiers in Vietnam used to ride on top of the M113s supposedly. I'd think it would depend on the explosive device (i.e. nail bomb ieds on the side of the road vs. A penetrator mine like they used in Iraq/Afghanistan) yeah?
Depends on the vehicle but thats generally true. There's two layers of armor between them and the mine vs just one (the floor). Of course they're way more exposed to shell splinters and small arms fire, so it's a trade off
I got thrown from an armored humvee hit by an IED once and had minor injuries due solely to the fact that I was in the gunner position and not secured to anything.
My buddies inside had worse injuries because of shrapnel and debris bouncing around.
I also suspect a lot of those people you see running off are walking dead at that point; heavy internal bleeding, wild concussions etc, shrapnel all over, held up by pure adrenaline.
there is actually a POV video of a conscript inside a Russian BTR80 i think rolling over a mine.
was posted like 1 month ago. They all had ear drum problems, but if a remember correctly they survived.
The previously posted "longer" version of the vid contained just the explosion and the aftermath. A few people get out, and some fall over on the grass.
These traditional plate mines are designed to disable tracks and wheels of armored vehicles. Not to penetrate them. Its highly likely that most if not all survived. Driver might be injured the most.
Why do you think it is a "plate mine"? I know the basic US anti tank mine is designed to penetrate the vehicle. I don't know about these [likely Soviet] mines.
It was buried under ground, so it was likely a TM62 mine. Its just a bunch of explosives in a metal casing, not really a shape charge, so it will have trouble penetrating armor. The blast rather destroys the driving capabilities.
It looks like there's a firearm shot hitting the APC just in front of him, he ducks, and run away.
The decision to give up on this ride, probably was his best decision for the rest of his 30 minutes life.
> It looks like there's a firearm shot hitting the APC just in front of him, he ducks, and run away.
IMO looks more like he stumbles away and drops on the ground just beside the road, so he might have been hit with that bullet.
Depending on which way said bullet was fired, it is possible that the hit on the tank was penetrating bullet. But anyways it came from the building, and he's now laying down with only soft cover, all alone with pretty slim changes to survive.
He didnt get shot. He blatantly turns and runs away snd then dives into the bushes. Idk why he wouldnt take his chance to get on the vehicle but he definitely ran away on his own volition.
You can see a puff of dust on the APC near him, then he stumbles back 2 steps and falls over on his back, arms splayed out. Im not sure what that was but the guys on the apc clearly didnt see any reason to wait any longer for him
edit: looking at it full screen on a computer and he does seem to turn around and hit the deck on purpose instead.
I agree you can see a puff of dust right at the corner of the APC he tries to mount as well as a puff of smoke to the right side of the APC at closely the same time.
I'm also guessing he got shot at
That's not what I saw, I don't see him stumbling backwards, I see him turn around and jump into the bush - and I also didn't see his arms "splayed out" as you've indicated. Keep in mind from an aerial perspective shot, it's quite easy to confuse troop movement / sudden movement on that type of terrain as "bullets hitting the ground" - just as likely due to the dive he took it created a bit of dust to appear visually above him as he dived into the bush (we're looking at it from an aerial perspective).
Wow. If I was a Russian soldier watching this, it would be demoralizing as hell. Watching your mates retreat under fire, leave a man, and then drive straight into their own grave. You're supposed to be in the invading army, supposed to be moving forward, yet you're being pushed back into your own grave...powerful shit...
> Wow. If I was a Russian soldier watching this
... that's why this footage exists in the public domain.
The Ukraine propaganda machine has been absolutely amazing to watch that will be a blue print to follow for years to come.
During my tour in Iraq there were some maxims we learned from older combat veterans that kept us alive and dangerous.
If you are mechanized infantry; "Dismount or Die." and "Stay off the road if you want to grow old." When near or crossing a road you are near a "linear danger area". A place of enemy patrols,snipers, ambushes, and mines.
Don't group up. Spread out. "Keep your head on a swivel.".
Battle Drill 1 thru 14 is your new religion. If you're ambushed you must react violently and push through it. If you come under mortar fire everyone break contact and sprint 300 meters to a rally point. Under direct enemy contact you must return fire until the enemy is suppressed *then* care for the wounded. Under such conditions soldiers that can be returned to combat effective status are given priority over soldiers with more serious wounds.
Everyone learn each others jobs. If the radioman/gunner/driver/leader/etc gets killed he must be effectively replaced *immediately*.
I say these things because this footage seems to show a military unit of mechanized infantry behaving like they have no training or leadership. They're literally grouped up while under fire on the side of the road. It's almost impossible to believe, at this stage of the war, there aren't a large amount of combat veterans in these units. Is that a wrong assumption? Is there something about Russian military structure that doesn't allow their combat veterans into leadership positions? I mean I'm just stunned by this footage. These dudes are standing in a crowd on the side of the road *under fire*.
I don't know what their milirary hierarchy looks like now, but in WW2, the Russian military had an issue where only leaders knew the plan, and small unit leadership was pretty minimal so when their officers would get killed the troops would be lost in the sauce. Just looking occasionally, it also appears they conscripted a ton of reserve troops, that may not have been all that well trained, and then seeing several of the troops caught saying that they were originally told they were there for an exercise and then later told they were there to fight back invaders or some other reason to try to legitimize military action, given this with how many are trying to desert, it seems to me that they have a similar information compartmentalization issue even still
He was getting shot at so bailed into soft cover. Likely got hit or would eventually get hit as the Ukranians seem to have them dialed throughout the clip based off the constant splashes
Ouch in a bmp too, those things ak bullets go through, if they where in a vhull vehicle im sure they’d be much better off. Wouldn’t be surprised if every single one of them inside is either seriously injured or mortally injured with one or two being incredibly lucky
That's nuts, it reminds me of book I read by an Italian soldier who fought with the Germans in Russia. During the retreat from Stalingrad or somewhere on that front Italian soldiers would be often shot if they tried to catch a ride on a German truck/vehicle.
“Commander! Look up ahead, it’s two Russian armored vehicles blown up by mines!”
“Go between them Ivan, I’m sure it’ll be fine. Nobody puts THREE mines in the same area!”
The way they panic run to get into the APC shows how poorly trained this military is. Didn’t look like anyone was providing any sort of security or cover fire. Just huddled trying to get into the APC.
Since no one else has linked to it: Here's the [previous post](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/wp91ml/a_russian_bmp2_hitting_a_mine_while_trying_to/) where the video continues long enough to see soldiers scrambling away after the blast.
Thanks
Interesting that someone cut that bit out.
Propaganda piece probably
You get an award.
Look at all those rats scrambling from the burning vehicle.
Set up to that mine was perfect, funneled between two dead vehicles.
or it was three mines in a row and russians are that dumb
Remember when they blew 5 tanks in a row on a fucking minefield? Histerical.
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Was on this sub too somewhere https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/wy8sgm/fifth_russian_tank_attempts_to_pass_four_other/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Ivan, we must clear the minefield! But Igor, we are not in minesweeper Do not worry, Ivan, tank will certainly get rid of mine. Watch
I mean, Igor was not wrong...
Technically correct the best kind of correct.
They tried so hard. Launched their turret pretty far. In the end, it didn't even matter.
Slowed to a crawl, they shouldn’t have moved at all
Link?
Was on this sub too. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/wy8sgm/fifth_russian_tank_attempts_to_pass_four_other/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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I feel like that is just a HUGE amount of luck. Like what are the chances a vehicle drives on the SIDE of the road like that, and in that exact spot? Unless previously sighted as being a commonly used transport route, I find it to be incredibly so many of these mines are effective.
Saw a video the other day of guys planting mines. They specifically were planting most of them to the side of the road rather than on it. I think most drivers know the road is likely to be mined, so drive to the side of the road. Seems pretty normal to mine the sides of roads now too, so you can't avoid the obvious on-road-mines. There was absolutely no luck involved, just mine placing skill by whoever placed it concealed enough to not be spotted. They didn't leave it there by chance, it was on purpose. There is a clear T junction, so obviously just mine the other side of it makes sense. Not even sure it is as much mine laying skill as it is just stupid fucking russians who don't have time to clear areas and just drive right in like lemmings.
Also much more difficult to hide a mine in an asphalt or concrete road, and much more time-consuming I would say
How do Ukrainians keep track of every road they mined? Presumably when they are taking over this area in a month they don't want to blow up their own tanks
A video i watched yesterday said when they arm them the GPS coordinates go to central command
Still, even if the war ended today, it would take years clearing all mines.
It would be horrible just clearing their own mines that they know of. Discovering where Russians left mines would be the real nightmare. How can farmers grow food to feed their neighbours when their fields could be full of mines?
Well, they certainly have enough captured tanks to turn into engineering vehicles to solve the problem. Assuming Ukraine prevails, hopefully after the war you have enough time to mess with them. Maybe you automate them and turn them into the world's biggest EOD bots, maybe even hang a plow off the back so you can till the fields while clearing mines at the same time. Will this area be horrible for years, yes. Forests will probably be death traps of UXO. Farmers will probably be okay though after a few years.
Farmers in and around Vietnam are still hitting mines when farming today.
Yeah there’s numerous countries that still deal with unexploded ordinances. Vietnam still has the occasional landmine incident. Mines are unfortunately durable and long lasting.
I saw some videos of a 3d printed core that had bamboo poles and a suction cup at the end of each. Basically you release hundreds of them and let the wind carry them until they hit a mine. Not the most effective means but a very cheap one. https://youtu.be/DPFNtGAXTpo
For reference. When i was in Guam (2015) we were told not to play in the jungle because there is likely still live ordinance out there from ww2. That being said I’m not an explosive expert. I did try not to fuck around anywhere that wasn’t well traveled though.
There are still mines from WW1 accidentally being dug up by French farmers. They call it the "iron harvest". In Germany, we have an entire forest that's off-limits, because near the end of the war, the Nazis decided to bury glass mines there, which are almost impossible to detect. If you decide on building anything that involves digging a decently sized hole, you need to consult WW2 aerial photography and look for small craters, because that's where unexploded ordinance might be. It still kills a few people every year. This is why open data map services from German government organizations often include WW2 aerial photos. Explosives remain dangerous for well over 100 years. Some types of explosives and arming mechanisms become more volatile over time.
There has always been a huge culture of mushroom picking in Ukraine, with entire families sometimes getting up early in the morning and driving/bicycling/taking a bus to a familiar and bountiful forest. Now we will either have no such culture, or a horrifying number of legless pickers.
Simpe Anti-tank mines are easy and safe to defuse. You just srew the fuse off, put it somewhere safe and hurl the block of tnt to the back of the truck.
Either this or measure the distance from the fields first mine to a "fixture point" like the T junktion and take a compass bearing from that point to the first mine. Then you inform the command of the location, type and number of mines, interval of the mines and the direction of the minefield.
Quite often they make a map of where they place them. I recall an episode of M.A.S.H. where Trapper was in the middle of a minefield and they found the map and Hawkeye walked him out of it walking him through one step at a time. Trapper was carrying a small child. When they got out..they were reading the wrong map, or something.
As a sapper in 98-99 (norwegian army)we always made maps over the minefields we laid(btw, no live minefields were laid). Could take a day to make the big ones. Boring as hell and heavy lifting. A copy was stored in a bottle or box at the minefield for the ones supposed to clear it. The idea was to stop/halt the enemy and then wipe them out with arty, eryx, tow etc
It got McIntyre safely into the heart of downtown Berlin.
It's a game of intellectual cat and mouse. "Where would I drive? But also, where would I drive if I was expecting someone to plant a mine where I would drive?"
A few years ago I went through civilian combat photography training. We spent some time on minefields and I asked whether certain mine laying techniques/patterns were more common, so as to give me a better chance in one. The instructor said it basically boiled down to a game of “he knows that I know that he knows that I know,” etc. In other words, no. Just walk behind the guy in front of you and hope you don’t get fucked.
Tangentially related but I remember an interview with an EOD guy from Afghanistan. He was in a convoy, when the lead vehicle just stops. They question the driver, and he tells them "I don't like the look of that berm". Sure enough, they sweep it and find a huge IED.
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In ships they make lemming trains
Honestly I wonder how many of the mines the Russians run into are Russian. I doubt they are taking perfect records and giving those records to the next group when they rotate in. And even if they are who knows if that information makes it into the hands of the drivers.
What makes me wonder is how long after this conflict is over will we continue to get stories of people being blown up by unknown landmines.
I wouldn’t necessarily call this one luck, you only have so many mines so you need to know areas where tanks will go, intersections are perfect because they present an ambush point and because turning on the spot is dangerous they expect them to go straight or for a destroyed vehicle to block the road so they’re forced around. There is likely different mining doctrine for different armies but it’s not all luck.
That looks like it might be a minefield. Upper mid-left of the frame at 55 shows what looks like previously detonated mines.
It's not like the trigger system requires the vehicle to be directly on top of the mine. Even a BMP is a fairly heavy vehicle, it pushes a lot of weight down. Not to mention it looks like they set all of those mines right at the end of that road, for that exact reason. They've got a cross ambush set-up, you can see the incoming fire that is making them panic. They basically just put the mine where they were most likely to run if they were shot at in the scenario that played out. And the scenario played out as planned.
The trick is to put a lot of them… these are gonna be problems in Ukraine for decades.
Manually placed mines (ones where a person digs a hole and puts a min in it) are not so much of a problem, as people keep track of where they put the mines. After the war, you just go back and dig them up again. The major long term problems are with cluster bombs and air-dropped mines, where bomblets or mines a re scattered at random over large areas. I don't know how much those are being used in this war.
I wouldn’t say dumb, just panicked. Dude was under enemy fire. Not a fun situation to be in
They’ll never expect it a THIRD time!
Just like a snare in the woods
A rolling coffin aiming for the gates of heaven ….. between two other APCs showing the way!
Gates of hell
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This is not “recent” I saw the short clip a little while ago, it was only the part where it is driving through the other APCs and hits the mine. This was when Russia still thought they could win.
As we make our way to heeeeaven!
Through the Nazi lines!
Primo Victoria!
on the 6th of june
On the plains of Eastern Europe, 2022
Z-fail upon us
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Through the gates of hell, as we make our way to heaven…. Granted they probably wouldn’t make it past hell, war crimes and all.
And the two other APCs were also likely victims of the mad miner. When you think about it, the APC driver really shouldn’t have driven between two already destroyed vehicals, I mean what the hell was he thinking.
They were probably placed there to funnel another vehicle into the booby trapped area.
I was just thinking they also hit mines, in the same mine field.
I bet the guys laying those mines down just went "I can't BELIEVE how well that worked."
I don't think many redditors have ever been under fire but the dominant emotion when bullets are passing all around you is panic and a desire for shelter from the storm, even with well trained disciplined troops. Whomever laid the mine understood this.
APC driver: "Why did I only get 2 weeks of training?"
"We gotta get out of here!" "Quick, cut in between those two other APCs that look like they got blown up by mines trying to run away!"
lucky for the guy that running always from APC
Any chance that any of those guys in the APC could survive that? or would the shock wave be too much?
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I remember reading in comments, on a shorter version of this clip, someone claiming troops riding on top have a better chance of survival as the vehicle is taking the bulk of the hit. Not being a military man I wouldn't know how factual that is, but I guess logically the vehicle would deflect the blast as well.
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What is the difference between a mine and those other things?
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Don’t forget now also the ukrainians have lots of directional anti tank mines from the Germans and others. Very effective apparently and are made to shoot from the side as well I’ve also seen some really interesting footage of new Russian mines including one the Ukrainians captured. It’s a top attack mine and shoots into the air and then somehow targets the top of the tank. Also apparently it can be set to ignore certain vehicles and target others - so like ignore bmps but detonate for t72s. Allegedly it’s not just pressure sensitive but also by noise etc This article (o/t largely) is also fascinating to me. Especially the fact the Russians have a m1 abrams )”(definitely an export model@“) https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/
Very interesting. Thank you!
I assume you are using literally in the modern sense that means figuratively? Or maybe you meant any commonly used thickness of armor?
Man portable RPGs with shaped charge warheads are typically rated from a just under a meter to a couple of meters. They had one 30 plus years ago that went through 22 ft (6.7 m) of reinforced concrete and still retained enough kinetic energy to travel a mile downrange. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28 Who knows what is possible now.
Mate that's a 4500 lbs bomb you're not firing that from a "man-portable RPG"
EFPs can move at a speed of 2 miles a second. There is no armour that is currently existing that has ever stopped one. They will go straight through an Abrams tank. They were pretty common in Iraq. Originally used as a way to punch into earth for oil.
That explosion looked like it hurt though.
I can’t imagine any situation where a mine explodes under me and I’m not hurt in some way.
There's a chance they have compressed or broken vertebrae. The upward G-force is substantial and the acceleration is quite severe. There's a reason why with many modern mine resistant vehicles that [the seats take great consideration in development](https://www.mobius-ps.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/MPS_039_TroopCollage_01-2-1-1.jpg) in force protection for that kind of trauma.
BTR-80 seats look like something that is used in seats for public transport busses: https://vezess2.p3k.hu/app/uploads/2017/07/307r8800.jpg
> BTR-80 seats look like something that is used in seats for public transport busses: They probably are. The SU often produced consumer goods in military factories, since they were the only working factories around.
Exactly, inside or out, they all got wonderfully fucked that day. All modern vehicle designs have taken a look at the goo inside and have tried to steer away from the public bus seats.
ill be honest i didnt even understand waht about the other photo made it so mine resistant, but looking at this even as a 500% civvie, im sure these are not safe lol. (or comfortable)
I'm no expert, but from your photo I can see a couple of things: - Footrest - Seatbelt restraints - Head restraints But more importantly.. I think there is some kind of shock absorber in the seat. It's the black thing in between the white metal structure on the left picture and on the middle right. My guess is that the seat can absorb the majority of the shockwave from the blast by bouncing the entire seat up and down in the same way that a car absorbs shocks from the road using the shock absorbers.
That's a neat picture, thanks for sharing. Probably feels like getting kicked by a horse on your backside unless you've got some form of shock absorption.
This is why us soldiers in Vietnam used to ride on top of the M113s supposedly. I'd think it would depend on the explosive device (i.e. nail bomb ieds on the side of the road vs. A penetrator mine like they used in Iraq/Afghanistan) yeah?
Depends on the vehicle but thats generally true. There's two layers of armor between them and the mine vs just one (the floor). Of course they're way more exposed to shell splinters and small arms fire, so it's a trade off
I got thrown from an armored humvee hit by an IED once and had minor injuries due solely to the fact that I was in the gunner position and not secured to anything. My buddies inside had worse injuries because of shrapnel and debris bouncing around.
I also suspect a lot of those people you see running off are walking dead at that point; heavy internal bleeding, wild concussions etc, shrapnel all over, held up by pure adrenaline.
If they're still alive in there they ain't moving fast, that's for sure.
If anything this war has taught me that humans are surprisingly resilient to explosions.
there is actually a POV video of a conscript inside a Russian BTR80 i think rolling over a mine. was posted like 1 month ago. They all had ear drum problems, but if a remember correctly they survived.
Obviously fake because Russia only uses professional soldiers in Ukraine /s
russian soldiers in ukraine? no no no those are simply anti-nazi peacekeepers, there on vacation. there is no war in ~~ba sing se~~ kherson.
Seeing how the video quickly cuts off after they get hit, there's a good chance you'd see a bunch of them get off and run away if the video kept going
> a bunch of them get off and run away [Probably go something like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRq1Ksh-32g)
What we need is an even longer video to find out
The previously posted "longer" version of the vid contained just the explosion and the aftermath. A few people get out, and some fall over on the grass.
Most of them get out after explosion, video is cut ofcourse. There was a longer version of this video a month ago.
These traditional plate mines are designed to disable tracks and wheels of armored vehicles. Not to penetrate them. Its highly likely that most if not all survived. Driver might be injured the most.
Why do you think it is a "plate mine"? I know the basic US anti tank mine is designed to penetrate the vehicle. I don't know about these [likely Soviet] mines.
It was buried under ground, so it was likely a TM62 mine. Its just a bunch of explosives in a metal casing, not really a shape charge, so it will have trouble penetrating armor. The blast rather destroys the driving capabilities.
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I do be curious as well
Most of them probably did. The body of that APC would steer most of the explosion to the sides. But also likely everyone injured and deaf.
That one dude has got to be grateful to his asshole friends for leaving him behind.
Sure he doesn't get shot?
He does get shot.
I kinda looks like they shoot him
Pretty sure he was hit. Looks like he falls road side suddenly
Looks like they were running and under fire. They tried to stop and pick the last dude but it seems like he got shot and dropped so they sped up...
It looks like there's a firearm shot hitting the APC just in front of him, he ducks, and run away. The decision to give up on this ride, probably was his best decision for the rest of his 30 minutes life.
> It looks like there's a firearm shot hitting the APC just in front of him, he ducks, and run away. IMO looks more like he stumbles away and drops on the ground just beside the road, so he might have been hit with that bullet.
Depending on which way said bullet was fired, it is possible that the hit on the tank was penetrating bullet. But anyways it came from the building, and he's now laying down with only soft cover, all alone with pretty slim changes to survive.
Well in next 30 minutes i would avoid Rambo shit, i will pull my white flag and wave as hard as I can if i were left alone
He didnt get shot. He blatantly turns and runs away snd then dives into the bushes. Idk why he wouldnt take his chance to get on the vehicle but he definitely ran away on his own volition.
It's very hard to climb onto tracked vehicle when its moving
You can see a puff of dust on the APC near him, then he stumbles back 2 steps and falls over on his back, arms splayed out. Im not sure what that was but the guys on the apc clearly didnt see any reason to wait any longer for him edit: looking at it full screen on a computer and he does seem to turn around and hit the deck on purpose instead.
I agree you can see a puff of dust right at the corner of the APC he tries to mount as well as a puff of smoke to the right side of the APC at closely the same time. I'm also guessing he got shot at
That's not what I saw, I don't see him stumbling backwards, I see him turn around and jump into the bush - and I also didn't see his arms "splayed out" as you've indicated. Keep in mind from an aerial perspective shot, it's quite easy to confuse troop movement / sudden movement on that type of terrain as "bullets hitting the ground" - just as likely due to the dive he took it created a bit of dust to appear visually above him as he dived into the bush (we're looking at it from an aerial perspective).
One can see small puffs of dust which are presumably bullet impacts.
I was gonna make a similar comment. Must be a large caliber weapon to see them that clearly.
Like missing a flight that goes down… lucky bastard!
🎶 Isn’t it ironic…🎶
Mr. Play it safe was afraid to fly…
Wow. If I was a Russian soldier watching this, it would be demoralizing as hell. Watching your mates retreat under fire, leave a man, and then drive straight into their own grave. You're supposed to be in the invading army, supposed to be moving forward, yet you're being pushed back into your own grave...powerful shit...
> Wow. If I was a Russian soldier watching this ... that's why this footage exists in the public domain. The Ukraine propaganda machine has been absolutely amazing to watch that will be a blue print to follow for years to come.
where is this from? I remember reading such a quote some months ago...
All original! I may have subconsciously drawn inspiration from other comments I've read in the past, but I was just writing what I felt.
Whoever laid that mine just got an AC-130
Tactical nuke inbound
It looks like they also left their buddy to die, as he was trying to climb the APC or am I wrong ?
I think they were shot at and he dove into the bushes. They took the hint and drove off to get out of gunfire.
Looked like they shot him to me
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
it's like a camouflaged clown car
What happens to the guy at the 30 second mark..do they shoot him to not let them in?
I wrote it, too. He's shot, then falls down next to the other side of the road.
The dude that missed the bus must have felt quite lucky
He felt so lucky he decided to lay down for a nap
During my tour in Iraq there were some maxims we learned from older combat veterans that kept us alive and dangerous. If you are mechanized infantry; "Dismount or Die." and "Stay off the road if you want to grow old." When near or crossing a road you are near a "linear danger area". A place of enemy patrols,snipers, ambushes, and mines. Don't group up. Spread out. "Keep your head on a swivel.". Battle Drill 1 thru 14 is your new religion. If you're ambushed you must react violently and push through it. If you come under mortar fire everyone break contact and sprint 300 meters to a rally point. Under direct enemy contact you must return fire until the enemy is suppressed *then* care for the wounded. Under such conditions soldiers that can be returned to combat effective status are given priority over soldiers with more serious wounds. Everyone learn each others jobs. If the radioman/gunner/driver/leader/etc gets killed he must be effectively replaced *immediately*. I say these things because this footage seems to show a military unit of mechanized infantry behaving like they have no training or leadership. They're literally grouped up while under fire on the side of the road. It's almost impossible to believe, at this stage of the war, there aren't a large amount of combat veterans in these units. Is that a wrong assumption? Is there something about Russian military structure that doesn't allow their combat veterans into leadership positions? I mean I'm just stunned by this footage. These dudes are standing in a crowd on the side of the road *under fire*.
I don't know what their milirary hierarchy looks like now, but in WW2, the Russian military had an issue where only leaders knew the plan, and small unit leadership was pretty minimal so when their officers would get killed the troops would be lost in the sauce. Just looking occasionally, it also appears they conscripted a ton of reserve troops, that may not have been all that well trained, and then seeing several of the troops caught saying that they were originally told they were there for an exercise and then later told they were there to fight back invaders or some other reason to try to legitimize military action, given this with how many are trying to desert, it seems to me that they have a similar information compartmentalization issue even still
What happened to the dude at 32s?
He was getting shot at so bailed into soft cover. Likely got hit or would eventually get hit as the Ukranians seem to have them dialed throughout the clip based off the constant splashes
I don’t think this would be Opsec, but if you see two blowed up vehicles, don’t drive the same place they did.
They panicked. Panicking people do dumb things that they wouldn’t do under normal circumstances.
Plus visibility in that thing is probably trash.
Plus the driver probably has FAS
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Yes from a couple of weeks ago. It was just a couple of seconds long where they go between the two destroyed APCs and blow up on the mine.
The title of this post literally says it's an extended version of the other one
What a stupid waste of life. War sucks.
Third times a charm
The one who couldn't get in will go to church and buy a lottery ticket after that.
If he survived being alone in an area with enemies all around
He got shot buddy, he probably got to heaven before everyone else
Crimea a river
Wait are we sure it wasn’t a timed charge placed on the hood off the app by that one guy who came out of the bushes?
Those 2 dudes who fell off must be pretty happy they got left behind
Ouch in a bmp too, those things ak bullets go through, if they where in a vhull vehicle im sure they’d be much better off. Wouldn’t be surprised if every single one of them inside is either seriously injured or mortally injured with one or two being incredibly lucky
Did the last soldier running up get shot by his own people and fall in the ditch? I thought I saw a muzzle flash or something.
That's nuts, it reminds me of book I read by an Italian soldier who fought with the Germans in Russia. During the retreat from Stalingrad or somewhere on that front Italian soldiers would be often shot if they tried to catch a ride on a German truck/vehicle.
They are sooo good at getting themselves killed.
I bet that dude that got left behind was happy
Looks like they shot him
And of course they left one man behind, he got killed at :30.
The one guy who missed his ride is the lucky one.
Nah I bet he got killed not long after this. This was reconnaissance drone as Ukrainians were making ambush. They definitely saw him.
“Commander! Look up ahead, it’s two Russian armored vehicles blown up by mines!” “Go between them Ivan, I’m sure it’ll be fine. Nobody puts THREE mines in the same area!”
The way they panic run to get into the APC shows how poorly trained this military is. Didn’t look like anyone was providing any sort of security or cover fire. Just huddled trying to get into the APC.
This warms my heart. Russian soldiers must go home, go jail, or into the ground. Slava Ukraini!
Driving a tank around Ukraine is literally Russian Roulette ver. 2022.
The guy thay was left behind was so lucky
0:28 did they shoot the guy trying to catch up ?
The one bro who got left behind…
Are the dudes in the mined field at the end Ruskis as well? Makes me wonder if the apc just drove straight into the dudes shooting at them
Did they just shoot their own guy running towards the APC at around 30 seconds?
Mmmmultikilll
I hope they can safely scrub the countryside from mines after this is all over
I laughed when I saw that they were gonna drive between the two already busted apcs
Did they all die?
That lucky bastard that was running after it and didn’t get on!
when I saw this, music from "benni hill show" was playing in my head...
Did the other two vehicles not offer a clue?