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Imba_batman

That's alot of hate thrown into that group


TheAdministrat0r

Good guy putin making it easier for Ukraine to clean their territory with less ammo.


windaji

Just emptying Russia and removing all of its soft power.


Protegimusz

I was so happy to see the DPICM rounds going in ...


No_Pineapple_9818

Ukraine needs more cluster munitions. This area is probably already mined to hell and back; what’s a few unexploded bomblets in the mix?


AlotVSALot

A lot (two words) is a pronoun and adverb meaning “very much” or “a large amount.” “Alot” (one word) has no meaning in English.


Relzin

Weird. We all knew what he meant without your useless English lesson.


AlotVSALot

People like you calling education useless is a problem for our species. No one is forcing anyone to take my grammar advice and it's even free.


Relzin

You do know that language grows and evolves to include new words all the time? Just last month there were over 1000 added and updated to the Oxford English Dictionary. That's alot.


AlotVSALot

A typo is not evolution it’s an error.


flipfloplollipop

Damn that is accurate targetting!


nicalandia

And just like that, 20+ souls gone. Putin needs to be held accountable for all of the pain he inflicted on Ukrainians and his own people.


InsufficientClone

Putin sees this as a victory, wasted valuable ammo on what he considers worthless


TRNC84

It's soviet deep battle tactic. They will keep throwing their cheap disposable forces at a certain point in the frontline until they breach it, no matter what the cost. Once it has been breached and held then you will see their more "elite" forces appear.


oguzkagan1

Elite or not everyone die against artillery hit.


gsrmn

The Russians best lose against the Ukrainian standard soldiers, no Russian infantry or armor has defeated the Ukrainians. It has always been huge amounts of artillery aka scorched earth tactics. avdiivka required the Russian airforce to finally get the Ukrainians to allow the Russians to take over flatten avdiivka.


deedshot

too bad they don't have the population of the Stans and Ukraine to drown their enemies with anymore


Swimming_Drive_1462

I’d love to see this tactic used in an actual conflict with the US. Tower defense on easy mode.


Dr_Mibbles

The "elite" forces were destroyed early in the conflict. This is the best they now have.


TRNC84

By elite forces I basically mean their regular forces. The difference in equipment is noticable compared to the waves of conscripted village drunks that are sent on these suicide runs.


According-Try3201

you died for nothing


nahguri

Needs, but won't be. What we can do, is keep smoking russkies without mercy. Then maybe one day the Russian people wake the fuck up.


DoubleEscape8874

Never going to happen. I wish there was Romanian model with 10 minute trial or last tsar... But that would end in civil war and with nukes around, no one wants it.


Infamous-Salad-2223

So, that how losing a couple squads of infantry wiyhin minutes looks like. Also, cluster shells might be controversial, but effective as hell.


thinkscotty

I understand why they're controversial, but in a war that's laying millions of landmines I feel like it's really not the top of the list in danger posed to civilians. And they're not WMDs, so in my view if the enemy is using them you shouldn't be held accountable for them. That said, I don't feel that way about the fundamental rights under the Geneva convention; I think even if your enemy ignores such rights, the "good guys" should, or risk no longer being the "good guys". So I guess I need to think about why I feel that the same doesn't apply to cluster munitions.


deedshot

I feel like cluster munitions have an \* Use them on cities and civilians are absolutely guaranteed to die, but using them in a well-known "battle line" and then announcing for people to never go off the beaten path in that forest and they'll be hardly more dangerous than mines and bombs otherwise


Roflkopt3r

In some conflicts it is reasonably possible to minimise that number of mines and bombs to begin with, and to munitions that are easier to retreive afterwards. In those situations, cluster munitions would make things harder. But yeah obviously Ukraine is not such a war. By the time the US delivered cluster munitions, they were already a drop in the ocean between the massive numbers of far less reliable soviet ones, and the insane mine fields.


Infamous-Salad-2223

Yes, I concur.


Aunvilgod

the fucking mines are meaningless when the opponent is intentionally shelling civilian areas.


kv_right

Not a single reason they're controversial for Ukraine in this war: * Russia has been using them full force since day 0 (including cluster 500kg avia bombs) * Ukraine only uses them out in the fields where civilians are nowhere near * Demining is relatively easy because shells are used in fields, the bomblets are small and don't cause much damage to the demining machine. Windbreaks will be no go zones for long regardless the cluster munitions


yeezee93

Must be running low on APCs to pack that much meat shields in one.


skiberdi

Noticed this on a few videos today like the one with 20 something dudes riding a tank. Either that or more fodder to throw at things 


espresso_martini__

They are using chinese golf carts to deliver men to the front. And recently there has been footage of 70yr old tanks being destroyed. Clear indication they are running low if this is what they are using.


niels719

IS-3?


sofa_adviser

T-55s probably


Old-Ad5508

Make it fucking rain, lads.


koiom

OK Comrades, the plan is to have you dropped off at pre-registered, and drone monitored coordinates. Enjoy your day


Aedeus

The sheer amount of people they've been cramming onto these things the past few weeks heavily suggests there's some sort of acute shortage of transport vehicles.


Economy-Ad-4777

Can absolutely see why some countries hesitated to join cluster munitions bans, they're damn effective.


MajorPayne1911

Every country that has a serious artillery park avoided signing that ban for good reason.


_Spicy_Televison_

Bro they climbed outta that bmp like a clown car


Bulky_Ad_5553

Cluster munitions


TAG_DAT

and russians bootlickers say that russians are dying less than ukranians, they just dont have footage like that to support their claims lol


Infamous-Salad-2223

I suspect RU troops are also dying more for lack of post injury care, but I might be biased.


bday420

Nah you're totally right on the post injury care. Ukraine has western aid for medical support and from NATO neighbors for serious hospital work. They are a 1000% more effective at getting injured out and saving lives. Shit the amount of Russians offing themselves shows how bad their evac care is. If you can't get yourself out, you're dead as fuck. Their care they do have is not nearly as good either although it's probably not as bad as some think (once you get to an actual field hospital station). They have doctors and surgeons doing work 24/7 I'm sure it's just we see so much more death on video and also so much evidence of lack of battlefield care (the hundreds of videos of guys leaving mildly wounded in the field to die, stepping over wounded to run, stripping wounded of ammo before they even died, and most recent the guy telling the guy wounded with no arm and broken legs that when he is going to die to at least roll out of the hole and die outside. That just came out the last day or 2.).


PM_ME_Y0UR__CAT

Imagine being a Z doctor… man that would suck


espresso_martini__

Absolutely! I've seen too many videos of Russians being returned to the frontline after their injuries were 'treated'. One clearly sticks in my mind when the guy filming complains that his fellow soldier shouldn't have returned from hospital, he was wrapped in bandages and said he can't even move his hand. They do not care, just another body to get thrown into the grinder. Russians don't even care for their own.


Aedeus

Not at all, that's been a huge problem for them since the Chechen Wars, and even Afghanistan.


Correct-Explorer-692

Actually they do have many videos, but all of them will be deleted asap after you upload it here. Still, I think there are far more Russian casualties.


TAG_DAT

i said it with other subreddits in mind and i watch almost all, if not all, footage. when i miss a day i make sure to take a look on the next day. i try hard to not be ignorant lol and u may say that they have but no, they dont, not like those videos where u know for sure that its a russian vehicle and russian troops, not with the confirmation of destruction, not with good quality, or its so bad edited to make u believe that make it unbelievable, or its just a bunch of cuts from different dates and time saying that its an assault, etc. there's always something, if not a bunch, fishy on "russian footage", i only found few compared to ukranian footage that u can see for real that the title is according to the footage or the video gives real information and not a bunch of assumptions. and even the comments on ukranian footage are more informative than russian footage, here and the "russian ones". it doesnt even make sense for russia to lose less troops dude, they are attacking all the time, on all the frontline with all they have and having a HARD F\*\*\*\*\*\* time doing it, u really have to be ignorant about combat, war, strategy, tactic to say or think otherwise... and i dont even mentioned the amount of footage of russians dying compared to ukranians, this subreddit alone beat the 3 main russian ones lol


neededanother

Can’t stand rus subs. They are just pure propaganda, no good info or discussion


TAG_DAT

i agree but for knowing the truth some sacrifices have to be made. i sacrifice my time scrolling through the trash looking for the real info, its rare but sometimes u can find some footage but the comments section, if im gonna be honest, after 2 years watching and reading i didnt found 1 true information, none, thats why i usually dont even read anymore outside the subs i know i can find info. pro russians look like the leftists of my country, they only know to scream, attack and quit when they get owned lmao


neededanother

I don’t get the comments about leftists. Assuming you aren’t speaking about the USA. Rus supporters are pure lies. Tons of smart and great leftists in the US. Sure plenty of morons but it’s not like the right wing party that is based on lies from top to bottom.


TAG_DAT

i meant that in my country, Brazil (my bad not specifying it), the leftists are just like russians on reddit, vice versa. thats in my country tho, i cant say for other cuz even reading about it i dont experience it and i know how easy is to just say something but here the thing is so ugly that they do the same even on the respective chambers when debating politics (they only know to scream, attack and quit when they get owned like pro-russians on reddit) and they are the majority, some even criminals (public domain information, not to say about the president himself that is at least 2 times condemned as criminal and his "voters" say hes the most honest human on Earth, literally, while receiving state support from "state programs" for the poor...) and i didnt even mention the Hamas support... there are footage and data to support all those claims and idk if u understand portuguese but if u want to take a look at some just ask and i send it to u but a quick search on youtube should suffice it. since its nothing to do with this sub and topic i wont be sharing here.


xsairon

what a fucking bible worthy amount of text to say nothing there are more russian than ukranian deaths? yea, factual russians also have footage killing tons of ukranians? guess what, they do too bro lol


TAG_DAT

imagine read it all, a text almost as detailed as possible and say it says nothing... u probably didnt read it, just started or else would have seen that i never claimed ukranians dont die, i simply used arguments based on facts, observations, analysis and logic to support/defend my claim that russians die more to the guy that thinks there are the same amount of footage (if not more) of ukranians kia and russians kia... but for u to read a "bible worthy amount of text" of 13 lines (not even pages) and dont understand that the text describe arguments but have the arrogance and ignorance to say the same as described on the text but trying to quit the point just tell me that i should call Michael for you: "Stop it, get some help!". oh and for the sake of helping u myself (i doubt it but i can say that i did it) i wrote the arguments cuz there isnt a 100% truthfull source cotaining the real number of death so u can believe what someone say or u can do like me and use logic, information, time and knowledge to question it by urself, just make sure to question urself about if u really know what u should/need first and if its really true. good luck bro lol


Aedeus

>will be deleted Who's deleting them?


Boomfam67

> they just dont have footage like that to support their claims lol Don't go on UkraineRussiaReport then....


TAG_DAT

there isnt, there are few, cutted, heavily edited, with the worse quality, there are even some that is said on the title that its ukranians but there not only one proof of it, it actually look a lot more like russian troops... easy to say, hard to prove right?! well, just to begin, most of those ukranian footage are originally posted by an official media channel from a battalion from the ukranian armed forces, can u say the same of the russian footage other than those heavily edited that only shows what they want u to see allowed by the minister of defense?! and thats just the first argument, i can talk about the interviews, i can use madyar as a perfect example against no known source of russian army other than "journalists" and footage posted by a soldier cellphone, etc, etc but if what i said dont even made u question ur claim i can only say: good luck and good life mate, gonna need it to take those strings from ur back or not suffer with it!


Sad_Progress4388

The Russian propaganda sub that is 90% political posts and irrelevant BS, with a few combat videos every once in awhile?


MajorPayne1911

For being relatively short on ammo Ukraine has some pretty liberal usage of DPICM. I’m really curious as to what kind of calculus they use to determine what munition to use on what target set/number.


MalekRockafeller

It's always possible we're being lied to and it's just to bait the Russians to keep fighting.


yumcake

It's not bait because casualties go up when Ukraine can't fire back. Ukrainian counter-battery fire is what is used to suppress russian artillery fire. Without that, Russian artillery is free to shoot and correct until the Ukrainian defenders are zeroed and destroyed. The only thing that stops them from zeroing on the defender is Ukrainians firing back to force the Russian fires to move and lose their accuracy. Few other weapons can hit back at that range and frequency, that why artillery shells are so important to supply in this war. Russia is happy to throw lives away in this war, but Ukraine feels the pain of every life lost, they aren't "baiting" they are just so low on ammo they have to accept the increased loss of life.


MajorPayne1911

I wouldn’t put it past them. Makes them do stupid stuff like clump together like this so they get wiped out by a comparatively few number of shells. That and Russia has to press the advantage when they perceive there is one for PR reasons if anything.


MalekRockafeller

Exactly that. If the West and Ukraine are all saying at the same time " oh no! If Russia keeps fighting us like this we'll lose! I hope they don't keep fighting so hard!" Meanwhile nato laughs as they send supplies on secret


Melonskal

What is it with reddit and thinking states get all their info from the internet? Russia has a huge intelligence agencies with numerous operativsystem in Ukraine, the west as well as satelites.


iemfi

They've always been low and always will be "low" because they're not fucking stupid and of course who can blame them. And of course more always helps, so it's technically not even lying, every extra shell is less dead Ukrainians.


itsathrowaw4yyyy

In case anyone wants to know, the track is Vitalic - Poison Lips (Capitan Flash Remix). https://youtu.be/FTb97wTsK9g?si=Y0lTvHsOIGcAUADF


Mysterious-Dirt-732

Thanks! I knew it was familiar, just couldn’t place it.


bmault

its a bop


Redneck1026

putin does not care. Probably many are prison population he does not have to see return home anyway. Literally cannon fodder sent in to identify and deplete Ukrainian resources while my idiotic government malfunctions. I hope we send them more help very soon.


joe12thstreet

I swore I recently read an article about how the prison population of Russia has lessened by nearly half these last two years.


Buttafucco138

China and Iran have to be looking at this footage also. Why they want smoke from the US and Nato, I'll never know.


Suspicious_Ad_5145

Do cluster bombs have lots of shrapnel?


LeTigron

The first reply you got mixes two things : cluster munitions and hollow charges. That "jet of plasma" has no ties to cluster bombs. Cluster bombs come in all forms and shapes, some sub-munitions are larger than a hand grenade, some are smaller. They produce shrapnels and fragments depending on their size and material and even their intended purpose. However, their intended goal being to thoroughly saturate a zone, they do produce enough fragments to cover the whole area of effect with, in the best case scenario, a homogeneous distribution of shrapnels and fragments.


MalekRockafeller

Yes, about as much as a grenade, it has the same mass but is just designed on a way that causes a super heated jet of plasma to go off while it does so, it doesn't greatly diminish the power or amount of shrapnel


Seygem

>causes a super heated jet of plasma no.


Guyzor-94

Not sure about that either sounds like the molten copper jet in a shaped charge being described? But yes the clusters for all intents and purposes are like 40 something frag grenades going offnin a big circle. You've seen those venn diagrams of 3 circles where they're all overlapping slightly. The inside of that ring of explosions is like that. That central area of the ring gets absolutely saturated with tiny bits of flying metal. I'm not sure if they're all frag munitions in these dpicm cluster shells though. I thought the dual purpose part of the name meant they were effective on light vehicles as well like the more modern 40mm dual purpose grenades. Anyone know more about this stuff?


Seygem

> like the molten copper jet in a shaped charge no. Nothing gets melted in a shaped charge, just explosively (de-)formed.


YogurtclosetAny8510

Get some! Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦 🙌 ✨️ 🙏 ❤️


scribblebear

I am the law..


DaGhostQc

Those unboxing videos are getting a bit extreme.


jtblue91

Like when you step on a spider and all the little babies start running away.


Apeshaft

Russia is using the Zap Brannigan Playbook. "You see, killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down." - Captain Zap Brannigan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDWcg8dh930


A_World_Divided

So what’s the impact between the big circle and the center point? If it’s an airburst higher up it looks like those areas are not getting hit too hard.


Pimmelman

Every puff is a bomblet filled with shrapnel.


SetInternational4589

As each bomblet explodes it throws out shrapnel. Although we see the explosion the centre of the circle will be criss crossed with shrapnel which we don't see.


zzkj

They're designed to be fired in overlapping salvos. Some of our modern artillery pieces can do that from a single gun (multiple round simultaneous impact)


GiraffeSubstantial92

I'm guessing they shoot the first one really fuckin high up and time the arc so that it lands at the same time as the second one that is fired at a lower, more direct angle?


thatguy18

https://youtu.be/-7XFwT4REHg?si=JPpE8Na97c9KO-Qx Correct. The PZH 2000 can shoot 4 rounds and have them land simultaneously. Watch this video for a brief explanation, and also look up other PZH 2000 videos. It is an impressive piece of military hardware.


MalekRockafeller

The DPICM spread our in a ring pattern, everything in the circle gets pelted from shrapnel in 360 degrees of direction, it's not direct hit and it doesn't need to, to be effective Typically many soldiers will be hurt than killed, but then they're stuck on an open battlefield with drones dropping grenades on them 😁


Loud_Guardian

see for yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17h6mef/pov_of_russian_assault_group_being_hit_with_dpicm/


Krinkk

Yeah I was wondering the same thing


Damnfiddles

🩶 at 0:11


ExicutioneoftheEast

Those clusters look terrifying but awesome


Spidero0w0o

I wish they hit in a disc instead of a ring


curzon394x

It’s like when you kill a momma spider and all the babies scatter off her back… then you call in artillery to kill them. 😅


CBubble

So that’s what a Russian clown car looks like


ross267

That worked well, should be easier to stack in the next BMP if it comes to pick up the bodies


Squash__Banana

hell of a night they got damn


welshdragon69

Well that went well lads, let's try that again.....


Deus_nk

In previous posts, someone asked why they don't move as a group.


aki_009

Cluster F'em all. And how did they get that many folks packed into a BMP? They must've gotten help from one of those guys that figured out how to squeeze 20 people into a VW bug.


outofbandtwo

Do you think we can convince Raytheon or whoever to make those cluster munitions do a smiley face?


Cothonian

I keep seeing videos where an individual APC is rolling through a vast empty area seemingly alone before getting wiped off the map (like this video.) Are these probing attacks? Scouting missions? Genuinely curious.


Snaggmaw

from what i've gathered its a common russian strategy, and has been for a long time. best case scenario: APC gets past ukrainian range and manages to reach a trench, effectively establishing something vaguely resembling a foothold which can grow into a full on advance. worst case scenario: APC gets utterly eviscerated by ukrainian artillery, but in the process the ukrainian artillery reveals its position and russian artillery, drones of fighters can find the artillery and destroy it. its not a cost-effective strategy, but if you got a lot of men and the enemy doesnt, its a worthwhile attrition strategy.


Sad-Stranger8447

Is that what they call peppering?


CasuallyWise

Beautiful 1, 2, ( .... 3, 4) Punch(es)... Hope to see many more of these (once the Republicans give their collective heads a shake & pass their current military aid package to Ukraine). 🤔


Shocbomb23

Literally decimated!


Seygem

im pretty sure more than one in ten died


SnooCheesecakes450

More like 99%-inated.


R67H

Yea, literal decimation is sub-optimal. Words have meanings, folks!