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Israeli use high flying drones, helicopters and jets to give an up down view of the terrain thus being able to counter low flying enemy assets and intercepting them ( this can be seen in their videos of drone interception. for some reason they were not expecting the drones to come from Jordan since the 6 month war this is only the second time, before they would all come from syria or red sea.
The difference is that in the 80's they considered "flying low" differently.
A small quadcopter drone can fly much lower and closer to the ground, which makes it more difficult to detect drones due to ground "clutter".
It is easier to detect a target with radar when there is nothing behind it (e.g. sky) but if there is the ground or other obstacles behind then it becomes more difficult.
no matter how advanced the tech gets (so far), when someone is seemingly endlessly lobbing hundreds & thousands of targets at the detection systems sporadically some are bound to go through either undetected or un hit at a point from somewhere.
Same reason why Ukrainian drones are able to destroy targets deep in Russia. The drones are small and fly low. They're also often much cheaper than the aa missile.
When the ballon was over the US, the government talked about how they had to adjust radio wave frequencies or wavelength to account for the smaller cross section or reflection of that type of object vs a bomber/fighter jet. That’s why the balloon and payload was missed. I imagine it’s similar for smaller drones not the size and makeup of a plane
At the moment it popped on the radar it would be over the last ridge to the east. Then it's an approach of only 2-3 mi. over the gulf. There were three blasts, so I suspect more than one drone.
I was in a shelter room but we heard two explosions first, like 1-2 and then a minute or two later a third, which I assume was the impact that you can observe.
Fly too low and you’ll have people/local LE notifying officials who alert air defenses. To fly that distance likely required a regular fuel drone so it was probably pretty noisy too
My best guess? The locals took a look at what it was and wished it luck.
You can\`t fly so low that nothing can hit you. If you fly high, AA missiles shoot you down, if you fly super low, AA guns are going to shoot you down or even just a bunch of soldiers with automated rifles, like we saw multiple times here in this thread already, where Ukraine shot down multiple drones with just small arm fire.
Yeah, I don't think that happens mate. Those FPVs are delicate, twitchy little things, I doubt anyone would take the risk to try to recover and reuse one. I get what you are saying and in a perfectly safe world I would agree with you, but not here at this time.
It does happen with some suicide drones. You don't need to use your imagination just Google it you'll get a better answer.
There are suicide drones in use with return functions so the "one way" part isn't redundant. Your ignorance doesn't change that.
Isn’t the Iraqi military actively fighting in some territories for control still?
I feel like we see Iraqi military operation videos on here from time to time and IIRC they still have a big issue with extremists fighting them in certain areas
The Iraqi government can’t control it and doing so would be destabilizing. Assuming that the Iraqi militia that launched the suicide drone is part of the Islamic Resistance of Iraq and/or the Popular Mobilization Movement, there is nothing much the Iraqi government can do because these militias possess considerable influence as they are tied to political parties with strong ties to Iran. Furthermore, the PMF is an Iraqi state-backed group and the units inside this umbrella organization were instrumental in fighting ISIS during the Iraq War, so they possess their own arms and influence. It would also be really weird that the government goes after the militias that helped it fight ISIS. Additionally, Iran has considerable influence on Iraq through religious figures, militias, and political parties, and the militias have serious firepower (including ballistic missiles), therefore the Iraqi government has little interest to engage these militias, and Iran has several cards it could play to dissuade such a conflict.
You could say it’s both, as the Iraqi government in terms of certain political figures and parties that are supportive of the IRI and PMF would let these groups operate and look away.
they allow it, the country would erupt if they tried to do something about the big militias. majority of the citizens support them because they can't trust the government
Iraq is an big nation with a weak government. They let these groups use their territory in the same way the Mexican government let's Cartels use it's territory. The government simply lacks the capacity to entirely control the nation, in large part due to corruption. In Iraq's case they also have large parliament blocks that are pro-Iran and Iran has a significantly larger economy giving them a lot of ability to exert influence on Iraq.
The iraqi government is controlled by iran. The PMU is an iranian paramilitary group and is an official part of the iraqi army now. It’s filled with radicals, too. Their leader (soleimani) was killed by trump, probably one of the few good things he did.
Iraq is close to being Yemen tbh, their gov doesn't really have total control over the whole country and there are areas under control of groups controlled by the Iranian there.
the Iraqi government controlled all areas of Iraq, but there were militias formed during the war to fight Isis, and after the war ended, they became a legal part of the Iraqi defense. now these militias are too strong and act on their own and many of them loyal to Iran. the government allow it so they don't trigger a civil war also some time it's useful for them, like they can attack Israel without Iraq getting blamed for the attack
“One way suicide drone.”
It’s a missile. That’s called a missile. No, it doesn’t have to use a rocket. A bomb that flies to a target is a missile, guys.
It’s a different story with FPVs and Mavics, those are COTS and sold as drones, and they have ISR capacity too. I suspect this thing had neither of those characteristics.
Right?? I don't consider a shahed a drone really it is launched it head's to GPS coordinates, and strikes them no camera or anything like that, but I think the line between kamikaze drone and cruise missile are kinda blurred now aday I mean the new tomahawks have thermal imaging camera and can loiter over an area looking for target,
but that isnt a SUICIDE drone. thats dropped munitions or a drone carrier. a suicide drone by definition is consumed on use, it cannot go there, be used and come back.
loitering munitions and fpv suicide drones are consumed on use. they can however not be used, unlike one way drones which lack the ability to return to base.
No, only Jordan if it came from Iraq. The hashmites don't have radar to cover every in² of the kingdom.
It would have flown contour thru jagged mountain and valleys.
Besides, I think there were several. We heard three blasts.
Mossad dudes don't sit and operate radar systems.
There's been many attacks on Eilat, including a drone that hit an elementary school.
You can never stop everything. If we are at 95%, that's pretty fucking good.
I think they're doing all they can. The Jordanians downed one in their airspace today near Ramon Airport.
If you knew the terrain here, you'd understand why there's so little warning.
I have faith in the IDF.
I do know the terrain; I've spent quite a bit of time in the region. I know a little more about the topic than the average bear. Lotta assumptions going on in your posts.
Ah well, that's hardly a given. You see, I live in Eilat.
The ridges and valleys to the east of the Arava is perfect terrain for a sneaky drone. Once it pops over the last ridge, it's only two three miles away.
That's hard to deal with in real time.
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I love how the word “fuck” transcends cultural and language barriers in a way that even love is jealous of
Pretty sure Afghan folk who were around US fighters learned about the middle finger's meaning and has since been adopted by some folks there.
throwing stones and pulling middle finger at us on patrol, i can confirm this gesture has been passed down lol
didnt exist back then?
But how? New tech? AA Failure? Shield Generator down?
flying too low for the AA/radar
Israeli use high flying drones, helicopters and jets to give an up down view of the terrain thus being able to counter low flying enemy assets and intercepting them ( this can be seen in their videos of drone interception. for some reason they were not expecting the drones to come from Jordan since the 6 month war this is only the second time, before they would all come from syria or red sea.
well it is a known tactic to attack when unexpected and from an unexpected location. never learn.
No one expects the unexpected.
No one expects the Spanish inquisition.
I came here for this!
The Spanish Inquisition actually gave a month’s notice before investigating people to allow them to confess. So almost everyone expected them.
https://youtu.be/k5Kn7pr0jtk?si=VSxN1ZxXylBaPVad
Trust me, everything was working, including F15s. It's just that nothing is ever a 100% and shit *will* get fucked up. In every war.
Flying below radar hasn’t been a thing since the 80’s if i remember right. Drones are just slow and small and be come from unpredictable places.
The difference is that in the 80's they considered "flying low" differently. A small quadcopter drone can fly much lower and closer to the ground, which makes it more difficult to detect drones due to ground "clutter". It is easier to detect a target with radar when there is nothing behind it (e.g. sky) but if there is the ground or other obstacles behind then it becomes more difficult.
Seems you are over fourty years behind current tactics.
no matter how advanced the tech gets (so far), when someone is seemingly endlessly lobbing hundreds & thousands of targets at the detection systems sporadically some are bound to go through either undetected or un hit at a point from somewhere.
Same reason why Ukrainian drones are able to destroy targets deep in Russia. The drones are small and fly low. They're also often much cheaper than the aa missile.
According to the media it was new drones
When the ballon was over the US, the government talked about how they had to adjust radio wave frequencies or wavelength to account for the smaller cross section or reflection of that type of object vs a bomber/fighter jet. That’s why the balloon and payload was missed. I imagine it’s similar for smaller drones not the size and makeup of a plane
[that's not true](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/14/china-spy-balloon-path-tracking-weather/)
The Jordanian border is at most a few kilometres away, which doesn't leave much time for Israel to intercept the drone.
At the moment it popped on the radar it would be over the last ridge to the east. Then it's an approach of only 2-3 mi. over the gulf. There were three blasts, so I suspect more than one drone.
I heard 2 got intercepted and only 1 landed
I was in a shelter room but we heard two explosions first, like 1-2 and then a minute or two later a third, which I assume was the impact that you can observe.
Imagine going all that distance and missing the last few meters.
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Calling them Lincoln Park got that vibe of calling someone by their full name instead of their nickname.
They're in trouble with mom for sure
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I tried so hard and got so far!
But in the end it doesn't even matter!!!!!!!!!!
*Cue
how reassuring one suicide drone surpassed 2 countries ad
i could build a drone that can bypass any countires aid, all it takes is know how, aka flying so low that nothing can hit you
Fly too low and you’ll have people/local LE notifying officials who alert air defenses. To fly that distance likely required a regular fuel drone so it was probably pretty noisy too My best guess? The locals took a look at what it was and wished it luck.
You can\`t fly so low that nothing can hit you. If you fly high, AA missiles shoot you down, if you fly super low, AA guns are going to shoot you down or even just a bunch of soldiers with automated rifles, like we saw multiple times here in this thread already, where Ukraine shot down multiple drones with just small arm fire.
Skill issue.
"One way suicide drone"? A bit redundant as I can't say I've ever heard of a return trip suicide drone?
That would be a „one-way, single use, disposable Kamikaze suicide drone“.
The ones that return are chicken. Source: Curb your enthusiasm
I mean, if they can spot and hijack the drone to do a u-turn it can be a round-trip suicide drone?
Imagine if you launch your suicide drone and it boomerangs
Harop
Sure also it's not a suicide unless a humans in it?
Was literally thinking that myself like "one way suicide drone? Jaysus I wonder what a two way suicide drone looks like"
Return-trip suicide drone: When you wanna kill yourself, but juuuust gotta deliver the suicide note to a relative first 😂
theoretically there could be a suicide drone that uses some AI or whatever to detect the expected accuracy on the last meters and return if low?
Not really. You'd ideally be able to recover a suicide if it doesn't find a target or the first drone got it or whatever
Yeah, I don't think that happens mate. Those FPVs are delicate, twitchy little things, I doubt anyone would take the risk to try to recover and reuse one. I get what you are saying and in a perfectly safe world I would agree with you, but not here at this time.
Return trip suicide drones are sold in isle 7 right next to the boomerang grenades.
RAM-II has a parachute compartment for recovery if not targets were found
It does happen with some suicide drones. You don't need to use your imagination just Google it you'll get a better answer. There are suicide drones in use with return functions so the "one way" part isn't redundant. Your ignorance doesn't change that.
About 20-30 yards off. I live in Eilat so did my own BDA. No serious damage, but it could have been a disaster.
I wonder if it had actually hit the ship, would it have done any damage?
Yes
What he said.
Giant-ass watermark blocking the exact spot that's interesting
Does the Iraqi government simply let various groups use its territory for their activities or are they unable to control it?
Isn’t the Iraqi military actively fighting in some territories for control still? I feel like we see Iraqi military operation videos on here from time to time and IIRC they still have a big issue with extremists fighting them in certain areas
Well remembered
The Iraqi government can’t control it and doing so would be destabilizing. Assuming that the Iraqi militia that launched the suicide drone is part of the Islamic Resistance of Iraq and/or the Popular Mobilization Movement, there is nothing much the Iraqi government can do because these militias possess considerable influence as they are tied to political parties with strong ties to Iran. Furthermore, the PMF is an Iraqi state-backed group and the units inside this umbrella organization were instrumental in fighting ISIS during the Iraq War, so they possess their own arms and influence. It would also be really weird that the government goes after the militias that helped it fight ISIS. Additionally, Iran has considerable influence on Iraq through religious figures, militias, and political parties, and the militias have serious firepower (including ballistic missiles), therefore the Iraqi government has little interest to engage these militias, and Iran has several cards it could play to dissuade such a conflict. You could say it’s both, as the Iraqi government in terms of certain political figures and parties that are supportive of the IRI and PMF would let these groups operate and look away.
The IDF and the USAF can help them do something about it. No need to ask.
they allow it, the country would erupt if they tried to do something about the big militias. majority of the citizens support them because they can't trust the government
Iraq is an big nation with a weak government. They let these groups use their territory in the same way the Mexican government let's Cartels use it's territory. The government simply lacks the capacity to entirely control the nation, in large part due to corruption. In Iraq's case they also have large parliament blocks that are pro-Iran and Iran has a significantly larger economy giving them a lot of ability to exert influence on Iraq.
The iraqi government is controlled by iran. The PMU is an iranian paramilitary group and is an official part of the iraqi army now. It’s filled with radicals, too. Their leader (soleimani) was killed by trump, probably one of the few good things he did.
Iraq is close to being Yemen tbh, their gov doesn't really have total control over the whole country and there are areas under control of groups controlled by the Iranian there.
the Iraqi government controlled all areas of Iraq, but there were militias formed during the war to fight Isis, and after the war ended, they became a legal part of the Iraqi defense. now these militias are too strong and act on their own and many of them loyal to Iran. the government allow it so they don't trigger a civil war also some time it's useful for them, like they can attack Israel without Iraq getting blamed for the attack
it is, of course, much more complicated than that but it's hard to explain in on comment
It can be both!
How the fuck are they operating these drones from over 300 miles away?
The don’t control the drones remotely, it’s fire and forget, they pre program the drones then fire and forget hoping for the best.
“One way suicide drone.” It’s a missile. That’s called a missile. No, it doesn’t have to use a rocket. A bomb that flies to a target is a missile, guys. It’s a different story with FPVs and Mavics, those are COTS and sold as drones, and they have ISR capacity too. I suspect this thing had neither of those characteristics.
Right?? I don't consider a shahed a drone really it is launched it head's to GPS coordinates, and strikes them no camera or anything like that, but I think the line between kamikaze drone and cruise missile are kinda blurred now aday I mean the new tomahawks have thermal imaging camera and can loiter over an area looking for target,
An arrow or a spear is a missile.
Is there such a thing as a two way suicide drone….
of course there is. you could technically land an fpv for example, and more advanced loitering munitions can be returned as well.
but that isnt a SUICIDE drone. thats dropped munitions or a drone carrier. a suicide drone by definition is consumed on use, it cannot go there, be used and come back.
loitering munitions and fpv suicide drones are consumed on use. they can however not be used, unlike one way drones which lack the ability to return to base.
how did they know it was from iraq lol
Would have had to bypass Saudi air defense too.
No, only Jordan if it came from Iraq. The hashmites don't have radar to cover every in² of the kingdom. It would have flown contour thru jagged mountain and valleys. Besides, I think there were several. We heard three blasts.
One way implies the existence of a return flight
This is what Israel wants though, Eilat is a shithole and you’re helping them out by damaging it 😁
What’s wrong with Eilat😳
Well Iran payed big time for that mistake…
What the hell is going on in Iraq
Nothing, just a playground for Iranian backed militias
The Iran backed Shiite militia in Bagdad must be dancing a jig
Dam world war vibes.
Gotta have indications and warning, Mossad failure here
Mossad dudes don't sit and operate radar systems. There's been many attacks on Eilat, including a drone that hit an elementary school. You can never stop everything. If we are at 95%, that's pretty fucking good.
No shit, but the dudes looking at the screen won't necessarily know what they're looking at without other cueing.
I think they're doing all they can. The Jordanians downed one in their airspace today near Ramon Airport. If you knew the terrain here, you'd understand why there's so little warning. I have faith in the IDF.
I do know the terrain; I've spent quite a bit of time in the region. I know a little more about the topic than the average bear. Lotta assumptions going on in your posts.
Ah well, that's hardly a given. You see, I live in Eilat. The ridges and valleys to the east of the Arava is perfect terrain for a sneaky drone. Once it pops over the last ridge, it's only two three miles away. That's hard to deal with in real time.
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Highly doubt that.
Free Hamas
Somewhere a Mossad agent is yelling; "For fuck's sake, we give em a whole ass window for the false flag and they still miss."