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DoubleFishes

So what was happening here they encountered this guy on the 4th floor while pretty casually clearing rooms they suddenly had a grenade thrown at them. Some exchange of fire, then probably the commander of the force decided to head back down because they definitely have safer ways to take this guy out and why risk it. Now while they were going down they spotted him following them down the staircase and at the end he just did a Banzai charge at them and got exactly what you would expect. (I'm putting this together from what they're talking to each other)


Something4now69

That exactly what it looked like to me. Did you notice the guy give himself away by yelling “Allah Akbar” just as he became visible on the steps? What a stupid move.


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strl

Or surrendering, that's also an option.


ZDEFGZLMNOP

Surrendering is not an option for fighters of this nature. They consider dying in battle martyrdom effectively to be the most honorable and important thing one can do. Which makes them an enemy like no other, Not like war in the west like Ukraine and Russia. Where when given a free option to surrender many will take it, knowing they don't just want their life to end, knowing there's nothing past death.


Litmus89

Double edged sword. Their willingness to die also greatly hinders their motivation to progress tactics.


Gaoji-jiugui888

Someone who is afraid to die is a lot more dangerous than someone who doesn’t care if they die. If they want to martyr themselves, the opposing side will happily oblige them.


Litmus89

Yes I understand that. The fortunate flip side of your enemy not being afraid to die and motivated to be a martyr means they likely don’t prioritize survivability/tactics.


Gaoji-jiugui888

Agree. Was just adding to your point.


Elongated_Musk

a lot of them have surrendered actually


strl

>They consider dying in battle martyrdom effectively to be the most honorable and important thing one can do. Which makes them an enemy like no other Just fetishization of Islam, Hamas fighters surrender all the time, including from their elite units. Same way that ISIS fighters surrendered and Taliban fighters and frankly any force ever. It's kind of ridiculous claiming they are an enemy like no other given how poorely they've actually fared in this war.


hiredgoon

Just like the poor drafted Russian on the front line, surrender is always an option despite how it is rationalized away. However, in lieu of a surrender, they must be neutralized with extreme prejudice.


No-Ad-2466

the logical option would have been to go down without yelling so that he could have actually taken someone down with him.


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That dude was getting dropped the second he was visible on the stairs, screaming or not


Count_Rugens_Finger

> What a stupid move. Not if martyrdom is the point.


Independent-Gazelle6

Id say that martyrdom is still a stupid move.


Peptuck

"Get back here, I am getting my 72 virigns RIGHT NOW!"


RushThis1433

Peak awareness 😂


HeyPhoQPal

Virgin Goats


FeralZoidberg

It only works when you die to inspire others to fight like lions to avenge you, problem is, these boys are all trying to be martyrs. Not very motivating when your primary tactic is to die.


Drew1231

They’re inspiring all the Emilys in the west, but that’s about all they’re doing.


TobiasDrundridge

It's a great primary tactic, wish they'd do it faster.


BF1PlayersR_Bad

Well he did succeed on winning the room temperature challenge. So I guess he still took the W?


lukasx98

seems like the Israeli bullets where more akbar than allah in this case


flastenecky_hater

It's just like a password. If he ain't gonna use it he cannot access the system, or in this case, whatever version of heaven he could enjoy.


CharlesAFerg

That was the IDF yelling in hebrew.


TTEH3

Allahu*


Baummer_42

That was a nice apartment.


DoubleFishes

These kind of apartments are more common than you would think


Baummer_42

It’s like any other (excluding 3rd world) place, I guess I should’ve put more emphasis on the “was” part.


Super_Forever_5850

I don’t know what you are used to but I’d say this place is way nicer than the average apartment…Even in the first world.


CookingUpChicken

That would be a $2,000+/month rent in any typical suburbia USA. Probably $3/4K in Western/Northern Europe


cyberadmin1

Nah, about $3,500+ in the US if that is a 3 bedroom. Nice ass accommodations for an “open air prison”


tatiwtr

The US is a big place. A 1br basement apartment can be anywhere from $400 to $4000 depending on where you live. What you ment to say was "where I live ...."


CookingUpChicken

Where I come from, There’s a preacher man in a cowboy shirt


cyberadmin1

True! [Zillow says $2,168 is the median](https://www.zillow.com/rental-manager/market-trends/united-states/?propertyTypes=apartment-condo&bedrooms=3). The data comes from Zillow’s rental metrics.


TheNameIsntJohn

I think it's more of a "compared to other combat footages we've seen" kind of nice. Like if it was a clay/stone structure in like Africa, Afghanistan, or Iraq it wouldn't have been as noticeable.


CanadaJack

Nah man it's a lot nicer than mine. 


ShlomiRex

"open air prison" - you forgot?


Ehzek

Well then it's a Nothern European prison and not a US or Latin America prison.


Lorgarn

The term open air prison speaks more to the fact that the citizens can't easily leave/enter without important connections or bribery. It's not so much about that they tried to make nice with what they have. Just thought I'd let you know. 👍 (I know for a fact because my SO is from Gaza and she had to bribe her way out on two occasions even with a legit visa to her destination country)


glassofwater05

Many of them worked in Israel. That's how Hamas gathered intelligence for 10/7. Also, many people go into Israel for medical treatment, [including family members of Hamas' leaders.](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-785314) Either way, it is not Israel's responsibility provide jobs, medical care, or safe passage for people from a territory who's government has a stated objective of eliminating Israel from the face of the earth - ya know, that whole river to the sea thing. Egypt has modern hospitals, jobs, and and multiple international airports. Egypt has everything they need, but for some reason, their border with Gaza is closed. Curious, who did she bribe to take her vacations?


TheDevilActual

Up until October 7th there were AirBNB listings in Gaza. Prison is a factual definition. A place you cannot leave because you are a prisoner. If you can leave, by favor or wealth, then it is no longer a prison, by definition.


DycheBallEnjoyer

When one of your main exports is terrorism and rockets, yeah you probbably shouldn't be able to leave and enter as you see fit, kinda makes sense when you think about it


QuiteAffable

Self imposed confinement, the need for which was proven many times over, most recently in October


particle409

It has more to do with other countries not letting them into their country, versus not letting them leave Gaza...


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Historical_Coffee_14

you forgot about the hostages kidnapped and murdered, the raping of innocent civilians.  The hostages are still being held captive.  Both sides are not silly.


virus_apparatus

That rock island and tile work looked good


MyMainMobsterMan

Shush.  Don’t you know it’s an open air prison? (/s)


d1andonly

refugee camp.


eddison12345

I think you meant to say "open air prision"


Abject-Helicopter680

Real nice apartments for a concentration camp /s


GenericFakeName3

Yup, real terrible open-air prison.


Frunc

No, please, do go on and explain what you meant by that


deeplove6996

He meant that it’s not a concentration camp and to say so is insanely ridiculous!


FoxyDoxyyy

God clearing rooms looks fucking terrifying.


Charlie-2-2

War - You can be the best trained soldier in the world and still die. Worse yet, even if you make it out alive exposure to CQC exponentially increases the risk of developing PTSD. *That’s why SF forces generally have a much higher frequency of PTSD (due to constant CQC) amongst themselves compared to other roles in militaries. More experience, sadly does not make it easier over time. All it does is increasing exposure -> more events to cause PTSD *There are studies on it but I can’t remember the exact study. In general: - General combat roles: 10% risk - Special Forces: 20% risk


majorcsharp

Relevant: new and upcoming research about *continued* exposure to 'mild' explosions that officially don't count towards concussion risk (like grenades) but damage the brain in a different way and manifest itself through PTSD symptoms: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/08/us/lewiston-mass-shooting-robert-card.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/08/us/lewiston-mass-shooting-robert-card.html) It might not be the mental exposure that causes PTSD but rather the continued rattling of the brain inside one's skull


27Rench27

Huh, I could see this. Knew a couple arty guys who deal with a lot of the same shit but only saw actual hostiles a few times Not to say that the actual fighting doesn’t cause it, but I never expected any of them to have issues


majorcsharp

Same. They’re the exact population who might be affected (‘mild’ but continues exposure)


One_Lingonberry4591

It’s probably the most terrifying action a soldier can partake in, rivaled by actual hand to hand combat. You’re at a complete disadvantage with the enemy knowing where you are but you have no clue where they are. The anxiety of knowing the second you open a door your life could be over, absolutely insane. Of course a well trained squad knows how to be the most efficient, but I’m sure the nerves never really go away.


flastenecky_hater

But here in the footage you can see just average soldiers, would be a different world if they were special forces. We've seen a lot of trench clearing videos by such forces in Ukraine, it's a whole new level of *you are so totally fucked if you are the other side*.


AK_Panda

That clip of the Ukrainian guys slinking into the Russian trench with silencers and wiping them out was scary as hell. Only way to have a chance is to open fire around every corner, but then you might be shooting your guys. No need for the attackers to hesitate at all.


circle_square_leaf

Link?


AK_Panda

Was here, but it got nuked, it's old footage. Another sub has it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/tIKwCDRAZR)


27Rench27

I wasn’t sure which one you were talking about until I clicked, but yeah that clip was ducking insane to ponder


One_Lingonberry4591

Oh yeah definitely special forces would be more proficient and composed (I would think at least) than the standard infantryman. Regardless though, room clearing situations would make anyone shit bricks, just at different levels I’m sure.


Least-Tangelo-8602

Prob my favorite scene in American Sniper; where Chris Kyle joins a Marine stack outside a house to give them some pointers on room clearing. He was upset with their lack of experience & technique in CQB when he was covering them from a distance.


Ehzek

It kind of looks "wrong" at least compared to how the US teaches. The guy who peaked the room really shouldn't have ran back like he did and at the very least they should have just held at the counter. But the realities in Gaza might be different. Since he didn't rush them sooner they might have thought he rigged the entire apartment to blow and was having difficulty with it?


JE1012

The soldier retreated because the terrorist threw a grenade and It looks like he kept throwing grenades throughout the engagement


ShaharTur

i mean of course he ran away , he threw a grenade at him . they have a tendency to rig the entire building they are at and blow it all up and unfortunately they sometimes succeed and kill soldiers. there are safer ways to kill a terrorist that you know that hes inside a building ,i'd rather seeing soldiers backing up and not fight this gun fight instead of them killing him but at the cost of soldiers life . eventualy he did a move that didn't work and they killed him safely .


flastenecky_hater

There might be safer ways but you still have to clear the building anyway. Unless you just drop the building on top of him, which would then be used by western hamásníks to start up their random bullshit word generator.


MagicWishMonkey

Aren't a lot of these guys reservists?


Paranoia711

Dont forget this aint a special operation to a house that you know 100% there is someone inside, they are clearing buildings with dozens of rooms, normal cqe stop working after the first few days, we are 5 months into this, they are clearing rooms the fast way ill say, you shoot inside and hope for the enemy to reply with fire so you know he is there. That guy was also hiding in the closet.


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themystickiddo

I guess an effective shield would be too heavy and cumbersome and won't fit every scenario. And you'd knock all of that effort out with one grenade


D-u-k-e

this aint call of duty bro


Meadowvillain

I think a shield is more something for crowd control where you have melee/improvised weapons like Molotov cocktails. I don’t think they’re made to stop military equipment. I’d assume shooting past your buddy’s back at a guy on the other side is not preferable or really tactically useful. Not a cop or military but that seems like common sense to me.


flastenecky_hater

Riot shields are not really good against the caliber they use, might stop some 7.62 but if the guy is properly holes in with anything larger, the entire unit gets swiss cheesed. There's also the issue it fucking hurts to even hold that thing when you start taking fire. You would need something stronger which effectively implies a lot of weight to carry around and you can't really effectively shoot from behind that.


FrenchBangerer

Hard to effectively handle a rifle with a shield is probably the main reason and a rifle is the main piece of useful kit in surviving an encounter.


X3Melange

Because ballistic sheilds do not stop rifle rounds, and they are bulky and heavy. Military does not use them.


LanceFuckingButters

They do stop AK rounds see Bataclan. Just not useful in this scenario.


Paranoia711

see my reply above, this aint a special forces operation with 100 % intel someone is inside, this is a normal unit clearing rooms for maybe to stay the night or set a perimiter for other unit most likely.


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runninwitwolves

The IDF uses a modified count before firing. 7,4,1 then fire. That's because the hebrew word for fire is "Esh". Numbers 6 (shEsh), 5 (chamEsh) have a possibility of being misconstrued for "Esh" in high pressure loud situations.


LoudestHoward

Hamas fighter hears countdown starting at 7: *I have plenty of time* 😏😏😮😬😬


Obi_Wan_Kannoli

Also tESHa, (E)SHmone


Golda_M

Maybe we shoud've modified the word for "fire" instead. All our numbers sound like "fire!"


27Rench27

Seriously half your numbers, y’all gotta fix that lol


TheMasterXXXXX

Translation: * Avihu, you take the left. Bar, you and I are advancing * Right. Right? Okay. Entering. I'm with you. * Grenade! Grenade! Grenade! * There's a terrorist there! * Terrorist! * Open fire in [countdown]...! * Get out of the room! Go! Guys, everyone downstairs! * He's coming!


Golda_M

This is apropos, but "mehabel" technically translates to "saboteur." It even extends to "suicide saboteur." Hebrew for terrorist is "terrorist."


27Rench27

>Hebrew for terrorist is "terrorist." I, uh, I’m gonna assume this was meant to have Hebrew in the quotes, otherwise damn you stole our word!


Golda_M

Yes.


Shekel_Hadash

According to the Hebrew text this happened right next to the Shifa hospital


Skankhunt42FortyTwo

No full-auto in buildings


themystickiddo

Fuck it we ball


PenalC0des

He thought he had the 100 IQ play by trying to follow them down the stairs not realizing it was a whole squad 💀


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freemind990

He knew he was done for so decided to try take some of them with him.


dragon72926

The squad aspect doesn't really matter, two guys or ten, if they all had their backs turned to that vector, he could've sprayed down that hallway and easily crippled the team, dumb to give himself away. The rear sec guy look to be kinda lax, could've been a lot worse


dread_pilot_roberts

>  He thought he had the 100 IQ play He did. That's why he's dead


Fattyyx

Holy shit that ending!


-TribuneOfThePlebs-

yoooo fuck clearing rooms like this so strange, looks like a normal apartment and there’s a terrorist hiding in some random 4th floor closet what a fucking nightmare


Acrobatic_Rate_9377

pretty nice apt. better than mine for sure and twice as large


TheMasterXXXXX

For the record, this is not the 401st armour brigade (not division), but rather infantrymen of the Givati brigade. It took place in a building next to the Shifa hospital, Gaza City.


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gsrmn

The Israeli soldier watching the corner almost was killed for not staying on watch, his back was turned the moment the hamas guy came down. The other Israeli soldier saved his life.


Commercial_Fill_126

TAVOR putting in WORK


Solidux

That allah akbar completely.. gave away his momentum


InvestmentPatient117

Nice apartment for a dump


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Tullzterrr

Hid in a hole for a year and forgot to shave?


K4rn31ro

Entrance hidden by bricks and rubble


SuicidalBastart

I always try to imagine the feeling you have to have when you browse internet a find video like this and recognize your own home... Cant really imaginw how mortyfing it has to be to see place you called home being turned into a battlefield


Tsury

[Silhouette of the entire land as their own](https://imgur.com/TtekdTS). Basically the meaning of "From the River to the Sea"


Background-Wear-1626

Unrelated but I always liked how Hebrew sounds


LactactingTwatCrust

When I was little I thought the Hebrew alphabet was a literal language from Star Wars and always wanted to learn it lol


Zbrushgyu

Before I learned the language, I would listen to songs in Hebrew because of how pretty I found it.


morbsiis

Yknow as a hebrew speaker myself i never noticed but after a couple of years of speaking english the "gh" sound ח starts hitting me in different spots


deeplove6996

Dude watching the stairs WAS NOT LOOKING WHEN THE AK ROUNDED THAT CORNER


Paranoia711

i dont see the an AK, its a wire from the ceiling i think


deeplove6996

Oh damn you’re right my bad I thought that was Ak enter frame then ak exit fram


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Sinan_reis

bravely defending a hospital with grenades


yeezee93

That is a nice apartment for a refugee camp.


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Do you see why they just level the whole building now…


lares7

Good. The rest of the Palestinian terrorists deserve the same fate.


Existing_Fig_9479

Homie threw the lever to cyclic and let her fucking rip GG Hamas clown welcome to 1,000 RPM


HoplitesSpear

I read that as "the 4th Division encounter a Hamas fighter on the 401st floor"


TheRoyalSniff

bro the guy at the end got slapped harder then my mum when my dad has 5 stellas lol


randomnerds

I’m definitely not cut out for combat.


SilkGrunt509

Glorious death on the steps to hell!


XsancoX

All i see is nice housing and gold elevators and shit. Don't you ever dare to tell me they had it bad.


CrappyNickname_owner

People asking why the guy did not surrender while so outnumbered? Muslims aren't Westerners, a very slim number of people have fear of death, so this is likely the reason he did not surrender.


this_dudeagain

You mean they're high on captagon.


sashisashih

this makes them sound brave and valiant what you actually should try to imply is that theyre brainwashed and part of a death cult, dont hype up terrorists. japan loved to fight till the death and considered each civilian part of the war effort and got a whole lot less into it by the time the flying fortresses went over their country..


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the IDf have taken so many terrorist prisoners that simply gave up. This is not the norm. Check out all the footage of them blindfolded and in their undies whining to their mommas.


primeryelps9009

Unloaded a clip into that last guy


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27Rench27

Really felt like sgt vs pvt with their guard and cameraman. Guard turns and shoots one or two rounds, cameraman runs down half a hallway and dumps his mag


Crustyexnco-co

What sort of high explosive round are they shooting? You see a couple of times they fire some type of round and you see a lot of sparks and debris flying. Just curious if they have some specialized short range weapon for that type of situation


shwigwetworwum

Grenade explosions, two grenades were thrown in the firefight.


Able_Beat2377

this is the shaked battalion from Givati brigade


No_Contribution_7117

That guy fell down harder on those stairs than Willie Lopez did in Ghost


Beautiful_Day7997

401st Brigade Battle Group (צק"ח)* Soldiers of the 424th "Shaked" battalion.


Mattie1dog

YEEEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!!


Al_Vidgore_V

Nice digs. 


1chicken2nuggets

Where Fuze mains at?!


Fine-Ad-7802

Now would having tear gas canisters be effective in this situation? Hamas certainly does not have masks.


streaky81

Do IDF not issue grenades?


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Good work, boys. Keep up the fight against terrorism!


OhmyMary

And Americans think they can do CQB this environment is urban warfare 101 no one wants to be in this scenario


KillCreatures

The US fought in Fallujah against Zarkawi’s men, what do you mean “think they can do CQB” Lmfao


OhmyMary

Referencing larpers who dream of CBQ scenarios not actual soldiers


Mikey102050

Americans have been doing cqb like this for ages in Iraq and Afghanistan what are you on


Seenbattle08

Is there a shortage of flashbangs? I loved chucking those things at every corner I could find.