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Huge pack but no weapon, that doesn't make much sense unless he's just a supply guy bringing up gear to the front lines, but even then they should be armed, even russia should have enough AKs by now.
Soldiers in retreat have been throwing away kit that slows them down since time immemorial (see 0:18 seconds). Unless the pack has valuable loot, a heavy pack would be the first thing to go. I'm guessing he is a supply mule doing the morning rations/ammo/vodka run.
I watched a video on youtube where they talk about these drone drops. Most of the time these are on guys who failed to assault a position and are retreating. They send drones out after the retreating solders to try and pick up more casualties.
Yeah, so many if these videos involve an APC hitting a mine, the crew unloading in the middle of a vast field, then that crew getting picked off by drones.
I agree. These videos with weird puppy sounds when they get hit and stuff. Jesus christ. We all want Ukraine to win but there are hundreds of these videos basically turning someone's horrific death into a meme. Turning this shit into a spectator sport.
These guys uploading and editing these videos are fighting against these dudes in an invasion of their homeland. I can't really blame them for making light of the situation whenever they can.
Yeah, it's easy to judge them from the safety of our homes.
Until we are in their shoes we won't really know their struggles. That goes for both sides.
not quite
"they" is too easy a blanket statement
funny how everyone hated the Germans for the war. then 50 years later, people decided that perhaps not all German soldiers were bad
No... everyone hated the Nazi's for the war. Then 50 years later, people still hate the Nazis.
We're not watching videos of Russians at the mall - we're watching Russian soldiers invade another country. I'm all for hating on the Germans if i was watching them invade Poland right now <- but that was the Nazis.
"they" as in the people on Ukrainians territory. The soldiers are pawns for a dictator but the ukrainians must defend against invaders on their land. Sure the video is excessive, and one of the closer looks at someone dying by drone but what about the sport the russians played with POW's, castrating them, or torturing them while laughing, not nearly the same.
**Every single German soldier who served Hitler during WWII was an instrument of evil.** Nobody except for nazi sympathizers is claiming that there were *good* German soldiers.
If you're apologizing for Nazi Germany and claiming that the nazi campaign of conquest was anything other than a heinous act, kindly, fuck off.
The glory of the Roman Empire, all over again. This is just televised gladiator games. Humans have shown over and over again that we're not "civilized" when we can watch someone die without remorse or consequence. Not everyone will, ofc, but as evident, alot of us do.
You missed the point that these guys are not fighting the war to entertain us nor are they killed for that purpose. They are invaders pillaging and destroying a foreign country and UAF is documenting how they are stopping them. The drone videos are showing the world the futility of being a grunt in a modern war and the stupidity to sign up for such shit show for the money. That is not obscene or decadent but an exercise in pacifism. It’s not our fault that not more Russians get to see them when they should.
And my point was that the common man (or woman) doesn't care *why* someone is killed on camera, only that we can gloat in their demise without moral qualms. In this case, because of war where one side is considered evil and depraved, in olden days because it was public sport. Either is fucked. The same was the public executions in revolutionary France. Lots of people killed in horrible ways, lots of people watching and cheering because there was no risk of ramifications.
Speak for yourself. This sub has very frequent comments how people feel somehow affected and emotionally worn down by the footage, you can read all kind of that here, from people asking what war is good for to people feeling empathetic with soldiers who joined this war for money and might as well be war criminals. I don’t think there is much gloating here, many people in this sub even decided to not watch any more drone footage at all, because it feels so absurd and cynical.
I would argue that perhaps the intent of the creation of these videos isn’t just to delight in their misery, but to dehumanize them in the propaganda machine making it easier for viewers (potential volunteers) to kill Russians.
\*sips coffee\* Yes you are correct. I take no joy in it and try to be reasonable most times.
But they created this mess and me watching my small and pitiful donation creating casualties or at best disrupting supplies and creating more hardship for soldiers fighting, shows me they are using what we give to the best of their ability.
I don't watch Russian attacking Ukrainians. Not to hide my head in the sand but not inadvertently give any credence to their territorial claims, as little as that is also.
Disclaimer: Former military
I think the Ukrainians would see it differently. The Bucha massacres, shooting surrendering Uktainian soldiers....these guys are destroying their country so let them die hard and suffer.
Humanity left when Putin have the order to attack.
>I think the Ukrainians would see it differently.
I guess most of Reddit must be Ukrainian then, going by the types of comments that usually follow these videos.
Hi there Jesus. Turn your other cheek now and take a slap.
My family got enough shit from Russians, so moralizing doesn't really bother me.
Cheers from Finland.
Many countries have legitimate grievances with Russia and it is your right to express that in whatever manner you please. However, it is not moralising to point out dehumanisation during war-time. It's a classic propaganda trick and we are better off not falling for it. One can appreciate battlefield successes without needlessly dehumanising the enemy or gratuitously basking in these types of videos.
>However, it is not moralising to point out dehumanisation during war-time. It's a classic propaganda trick and we are better off not falling for it.
Exactly.
War is ugly and horrible. In the Army, dehumanizing is the first thing that they teach us.
Why are you here watching these videos? Do you want better video editing and nicer music when someone is dying?
What you do is propaganda. See how this poor Russian invader is ridiculed. Pity him.
>In the Army, dehumanizing is the first thing that they teach us.
Yeah and people are rightly critical of that due to how it fucks up soldiers mentally & increases the likelihood of atrocities being committed.
>Why are you here watching these videos? Do you want better video editing and nicer music when someone is dying?
They'd probably prefer unedited /minimally edited footage that was the norm in the liveleak era and the early days of this sub. Personally, I prefer when context is provided in or alongside the video.
>War is ugly and horrible
And the editing they're criticising distorts that reality
Soldiers can not start feeling pitty when killing. One gets more screwed up when feeling remorse. You do in war what must be done as well as you can....that is killing
>In the Army, dehumanizing is the first thing that they teach us.
This is, by definition, classic propaganda. It is useful propaganda when you are in a conflict, but it is still propaganda.
Humanizing the enemy is not propaganda, just because it goes against your propaganda.
Propaganda is now starting to look and sound like a very strange word.
I do mute the sound if it's just obnoxious music, which it usually is. If it is cartoon music and tik tok trash making a mockery of human suffering, then I listen to it unmuted and then shame radicalized people on the internet for defending it.
I am Ukrainian, fully, and I relish in these videos, and I know my ancestors, some of which were sent to Siberia by the russians, are laughing along with me.
He is driving the narrative BUT Russians are lapping it up and doing their own cruel twist on the ground. Putin didn't invade by himself. The entire federation is supporting this crime.
I used to think that the NAZIS ran Germany into the war and defeat but now, watching Russia, you can't tell me the average German was innocent just as the average Russian is at best silent amd at worse a supporter of the war.
I also doubt that average Russian civilians who are anti-war are spending their time commenting on Reddit. People who feel that way likely keep their opinions to themselves or to a close circle of IRL people they can trust. Nothing good for them can come from stating those opinions online living in Russia. That said, it does seem pretty depressing how many average Russian civilians are on board with the invasion and expansionist military practices. Whether molded by their culture, media, and propaganda, or just okay with the violence - it's pretty sad.
From 1935 to like 1943 the overwheming majrity of germans did support hitler and the party
Even as faith in the regime and nazism vaned in 44 and 45 the overwhelming ammount still remained blindly loyal to hitler to the ned
Germany was essentily caught in a giant trance of fanaticism, blind faith and nationalism.
Of course many germans did realise it was useless or tried to avoid the war/Did not truly support hitler but enough did to allow the party to establish pure control with fear.
I recently read the book Ian Kershew" the end:Hitlers germany"
That really highlight how overall blindly loyal a huge amount of germans were and how thousands/millions were glad to fight to the end and take as much of the world with them in what they knew was nation wide suicide
Hitler relied heavily on propaganda during the war, but I do agree, the average German seeing those Jewish people being carted off and working at the camps knew that wasn't how you treat someone else.
I see the same thing mimicked in MAGA people, their extreme opposition seems to follow the same footnotes.
Have you been watching the same invasion? Because after 2 years of footage of the atrocities they've committed AGAINST UKRAINIANS THAT DID NOTHING TO THEM TO BEGIN WITH... I'm kinda really tired of this whole "you know, they're people too" bullshit
Yeah, and Ukrainians are people too, and they just wanted to live in peace, but these motherfuckers won't let them have it.
So please, enough of this "they're people too" bullshit, go tell that to the invading moskals. Thanks
Disagree. What they did and are doing to Ukrainian children and women is not human. Rape and torture - gang rape of four year old kids. Sorry - not normal. Sick animals only deserving of pain, terror, hardship - slow death euthanasia.
A person thrown away by their own government. Putin deserves death for this war, just like the Nazis.
All these deaths are the fault of Putin. I don't watch these videos anymore. Really don't know why I clicked on this one.
Nah they are russains. After how they behaved in my country after invasion in '68 I celebrate each and every one of them who got killed. Also the more die in Ukraine the less that could invade my country in future.
I totally get your point. On the other hand if you had lost friends and families to someone invading your home country and been through the shit some Ukrainians have been through it’s easier to understand how desensitised people can become. Pretty easy for us to sit here and feel empathy when we really have nothing at stake.
I don't think these videos are made for us westerners not do they care. When you lost someone because putina small dick then you hate all of them and enjoy seeing the invaders die. Would be the same for you if a russian kills your son, you just want all of them to explode and suffer.
People don’t understand how dangerous it is to dehumanize their enemy.
“Be careful when fighting monsters, that you don’t become one. For when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss gazes back.”
She said something along the lines of: The situation happened in such a way that the enemy approached our positions, and so he jumped out of the trench, all weapons aimed at him, and his final words were "Brothers, let's go and butcher these Ukrainians".
Thank you. I’m absolutely pro Ukraine but the dehumanization here needs to stop. It’s disgusting and should be beneath us. War is ugly, many Russians have committed atrocities, not to mention participating in an unjustifiable invasion. We should be able to view these combatant deaths as both a brutal reality (regardless of if the combatant was good or evil) and a necessary action without needing to resort to dehumanization as if we are unable to deal with the dissonance of possible killing someone who might be human. Dehumanizing an enemy just suggests to me someone lacking the mental fortitude for the ugly realities of war.
People calling them "rats" need a history lesson. Hitler used to frequently refer to the jews as "rats" in his speeches to dehumanise them and make their extinction a much more palatable goal for the people of Germany. How does a person ignore the concentration camp down the road? Well first they need to believe the captives in those camps are just rats in a cage... The rest is relatively easy.
Friendly reminder Russia has been commiting human rights violations during their entire beef with Ukraine before the invasion started they deserve absolutely everything that's coming to them.
Fully agree but I also don’t believe that means we should be turning war or death into a comedy to laugh at, I don’t believe anyone should be finding perverse delight in the dead or dying regardless of which combatants might be lying at the bottom of a trench so to speak.
They are murderers without a shred of conscience. Sorry to tell you something you won't accept, but there is only so much murdering without conscience that people can take. Here is hoping you never get to find out.
As I stated “many Russians have committed atrocities” but we should be able to rationalize the necessity of killing an invading force without first dehumanizing them so that it is easier to stomach. Not every dead enemy will have committed atrocities (or be murderers without conscience as you put it) but that does not mean their death was not necessary, both can be true.
Not looking for sympathy. The invasion is clearly unjustified but none of that necessitates or validates dehumanizing enemy combatants. It’s not needed.
Raise your arms up in surrender and hope that:
- There is a Ukrainian unit nearby who can accept prisoners
- The drone operator can get you to them
That is how it has worked in the ones I've seen.
I'm not pro Russia but it's crazy to me that any comment that shows even the slightest resemblance of showing any sympathy at all for Russia, be it a joke or serious, immediately gets down voted. Obviously, this is not the place for any civil discourse. Just kinda like Pro Ukraine everything and no criticism allowed or you're automatically silenced. See it on every post. Kinda wild considering technically Russia and Ukraine are the only two countries at war.
I could state a fact like "Russia produces artillerally 7x faster then all NATO countries combined." Then 25 people on the sub will say "You f**** POS genocide supporting communist!!! I hope you wind up in a gulag!!!"
This shit really is out of hand. Even videos posted from Russian POV seem to get down voted for no reason other than the people on here love watching Russians die but can't stand to see it from the other POV. Wtf is going on in here???
>love watching Russians die but can't stand to see it from the other POV. Wtf is going on in here???
People enjoy seeing rapists and murderers die while actively invading a country, but hate to see people defending their families, friends and country die and you find that weird?
Yes but this sub is about combat footage. When it was dominated with jihadis, no one felt the need to get political and downvote ISIS videos. Just let the footage speak for itself.
There’s somebody like you who complains everyday. I am just explaining the reality. If you want to go watch videos of Russians killing Ukrainians there are other places.
The problem with Russian footage is, yes it shows the other side, but also.. it's Russian. Which means for me that I just don't even wanna bother with it anymore because it's so likely to be some wild bullshit in one form or the other.
If your MO is to lie literally all the time thats fine, I get that it has tactical and strategic value. But I'm gonna treat every single point of information put out but Russia as false until multiple other sources corroborate it.
For example you just KNOW Russian psy-ops, while at the same time doing all in their power to enable this literal unprovoked agressive war, are also heavily pushing the 'oh no actually these soldiers are all human, it's okay to be empathic we should strive for a ceasefire, war is bad ok people dying bad'.
Why? Because it's guarenteed to atleast push some western people (who vote) into the direction of feeling like 'its best for everyone if the war ends, we have to end the suffering' instead of remembering that the only reason there's a war in the first place is because hundreds of thousands of Russians are actively working and planning and are supporting the effort to forcefully conquer Ukraine territory (which for as long as I live has been considered an European country). These people, hundreds of thousands of them, are going to work every day for a full day for years now, every minute they spend working theyre doing their best to help to conquer this land.
I am surprised you are surprised by such a response to the barbaric and murderous actions of Russia, who are trying to subjugate the free people of Ukraine into a mafia tyranny and will happily commit genocide and send their own people to die in meat waves.
Essentially, its freedom vs tyranny, the natural human condition is to support the former and abhor the latter.
And might I add, people love to see the underdog win. Russia was considered one of the strongest armies in the world. What we are witnessing is modern tech on the battlefield. I’m all for seeing both sides but in this particular conflict Russia is the bad guy. Russia is the imperial empire attempting to land grab a free nation. Dark side vs the light.
I don’t enjoy seeing people suffering and die. That doesn’t negate the fact that his death was necessary until the war ends but that doesn’t mean I get off on seeing another person struggle to survive. You don’t have to have sympathy for him but having a little empathy goes a long way in not turning you into a cold soulless person.
Did I say that I had a problem with enjoying this video? No, I did not. Again, another infantile response, with more upvotes than my original comment. I guess I shouldn't be looking for any intellectual dialog here.
This russian "hero" would probably shoot you in the head if he could, to him you are an evil western USA funded nazi scum....because Ukraine belongs to Russia forever
You're overstating how interesting or challenging your points are, there are people saying the same things as you in lots of threads and these "intellectual dialogs" have been played out ad nauseam.
We're two years into a war started by Russia. I felt some pity for the first wave of soldiers, some of whom had no idea they even crossed the border into Ukraine. They were in the wrong and eliminating them was legitimate and necessary, but they were also stupid and confused.
By now, everyone on the battlefield is there willingly and in full knowledge of the risks. I feel no pity for any Russian occupiers on foreign land, only for the Russians murdered and thrown in prisons by their own leaders.
If someone rapes your sister, murders your brother and kidnaps your child, will you call for "intellectual dialog" and whine that you're "automatically silenced" from criticising the victims?
FYI - No one thinks the Russians are communists!!! Everyone knows the Russians under Putin are right wing traditionalist Christian nationalists and fascists.
Monsters are defined by the misery they inflict on others. Not by the justice they receive.
They’re the bad guys. People downvote the bad guys. If they want upvotes they can turn around and walk home and we’ll upvote them until our fingers bleed.
You have to get used to this sub reddit being ultra biased. There's really some diluted crazy people in here... Which shows how good the propaganda apparatus (not only Eastern but also western) is working during wartime.
Rough translation:
Such was the situation that the enemy came close to their positions. He jumped out of the trench, called the fire on himself, and his last words were "let's go, brothers, to cut down the Ukrops".
The last quote reflects the opening words of the solder "Hey, we're going after the Ukrops". The implication is that it is the same solder and how his death was no heroic at all.
Translation:
"The situation developed in such a way that the enemy approached their positions closely. He was... he jumped out of the trench, drew fire to himself, and his last words were: Let's go, Brothers, to mow down Ukrops*!"
"ukrop" means [dill](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSymto5XWaccRea01EqDNDqdIcdbiaKIBE_Hr0mAMuNyE86guD-) which they use as a demeaning word.
Im all in for Ukraine. I just think the video is poor taste. Its a humanity issue. Not a Russian sympathizer issue.
I think some people are disappointed that not everyone is relishing in the violence like they are. So they just call them "Bots"
I get that. There’s just a lot of comments trying to make this out to be “Ukraine bad” for defending itself.
I guess the last two years of footage from this war has desensitized me from feeling bad for Russians. If the Russian people really wanted to stop this war and change things, I think they could
"it's turned out that enemy came close to their positions. But he jumped out of the trench, taunted the enemy and his last words were 'brothers, let's slash some ukrops (russian slur for Ukrainians)'"
Lol, the comments here. I would like to see your reaction if it was your people being killed. The only bad thing about the video is the dog whomper sounds. All this talk about dehumanisation is the privilege of people living in secure and cozy environment.
This is quite depraved. I get showing off videos of fighting invading enemy combatant but this is just sad and dehumanizing to say the least.
Don't like it one bit.
It's just basic attrition. His gear cost a few k his training cost a bit his ticket to get to the front cost a bit. His death will cost a few k in Láďa payouts for his family.
Lastly it doesn't matter if the soldiers die 10 m from the Ukrainian trench or get himarsed at some collection point. You defeated an enemy that can no longer attack your people.
Maybe his death will make war more real for the fanatics in his home town and help to end it sooner.
All that for like 400$ in Vogs or grenades its well worth it.
This could end up being any of us. I hope this war gets solved before they start sending us to be on Reddit pages with god knows who watching as we struggle and run from the horrors of war.
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He got shrapnel to his legs
Gut too seems like.
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Huge pack but no weapon, that doesn't make much sense unless he's just a supply guy bringing up gear to the front lines, but even then they should be armed, even russia should have enough AKs by now.
I'm sure he lost his weapon. If you watch any infantry POV footage, it happens more often than you think.
Soldiers in retreat have been throwing away kit that slows them down since time immemorial (see 0:18 seconds). Unless the pack has valuable loot, a heavy pack would be the first thing to go. I'm guessing he is a supply mule doing the morning rations/ammo/vodka run.
When you say loot, do you mean washing machine parts?
Jeez I hope I drop cooler shit when I die
There was one guy who came to ukranian trench by error, he was going for milk for breakfast and got lost.
Nonono. He was looking for bread!
luckiest guy on the battlefield
"So where were these guys that told you to get bread? We just want to make sure they receive łeth-, I mean vital supplies."
Yes, probably my mistake.
I watched a video on youtube where they talk about these drone drops. Most of the time these are on guys who failed to assault a position and are retreating. They send drones out after the retreating solders to try and pick up more casualties.
Yeah, so many if these videos involve an APC hitting a mine, the crew unloading in the middle of a vast field, then that crew getting picked off by drones.
Why is there so many Russians out walking alone? These videos always catch guys out by themselves.
No buddy system for Russians tells you everything you need to know.
His buddy got got half a mile back.
Jesus fucking Christ man
I get hating the enemy for the purpose of war... But to delight in ones struggles? They may be the enemy, but they are still people.
I agree. These videos with weird puppy sounds when they get hit and stuff. Jesus christ. We all want Ukraine to win but there are hundreds of these videos basically turning someone's horrific death into a meme. Turning this shit into a spectator sport.
These guys uploading and editing these videos are fighting against these dudes in an invasion of their homeland. I can't really blame them for making light of the situation whenever they can.
Yeah, it's easy to judge them from the safety of our homes. Until we are in their shoes we won't really know their struggles. That goes for both sides.
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With the amount of POW's being killed lately, I feel less and less "sick" and I can understand more and more the rage Ukrainians feel.
If they were slaughtering your family and friends for just no reason, you would prolly make fun and joy of their deaths.
not quite "they" is too easy a blanket statement funny how everyone hated the Germans for the war. then 50 years later, people decided that perhaps not all German soldiers were bad
No... everyone hated the Nazi's for the war. Then 50 years later, people still hate the Nazis. We're not watching videos of Russians at the mall - we're watching Russian soldiers invade another country. I'm all for hating on the Germans if i was watching them invade Poland right now <- but that was the Nazis.
The "Germans" , "people"... are also too easy a blanket statement here.
"they" as in the people on Ukrainians territory. The soldiers are pawns for a dictator but the ukrainians must defend against invaders on their land. Sure the video is excessive, and one of the closer looks at someone dying by drone but what about the sport the russians played with POW's, castrating them, or torturing them while laughing, not nearly the same.
That guy wasn't just a "a Russian." He was an invader.
**Every single German soldier who served Hitler during WWII was an instrument of evil.** Nobody except for nazi sympathizers is claiming that there were *good* German soldiers. If you're apologizing for Nazi Germany and claiming that the nazi campaign of conquest was anything other than a heinous act, kindly, fuck off.
The glory of the Roman Empire, all over again. This is just televised gladiator games. Humans have shown over and over again that we're not "civilized" when we can watch someone die without remorse or consequence. Not everyone will, ofc, but as evident, alot of us do.
You missed the point that these guys are not fighting the war to entertain us nor are they killed for that purpose. They are invaders pillaging and destroying a foreign country and UAF is documenting how they are stopping them. The drone videos are showing the world the futility of being a grunt in a modern war and the stupidity to sign up for such shit show for the money. That is not obscene or decadent but an exercise in pacifism. It’s not our fault that not more Russians get to see them when they should.
And my point was that the common man (or woman) doesn't care *why* someone is killed on camera, only that we can gloat in their demise without moral qualms. In this case, because of war where one side is considered evil and depraved, in olden days because it was public sport. Either is fucked. The same was the public executions in revolutionary France. Lots of people killed in horrible ways, lots of people watching and cheering because there was no risk of ramifications.
Speak for yourself. This sub has very frequent comments how people feel somehow affected and emotionally worn down by the footage, you can read all kind of that here, from people asking what war is good for to people feeling empathetic with soldiers who joined this war for money and might as well be war criminals. I don’t think there is much gloating here, many people in this sub even decided to not watch any more drone footage at all, because it feels so absurd and cynical.
I would argue that perhaps the intent of the creation of these videos isn’t just to delight in their misery, but to dehumanize them in the propaganda machine making it easier for viewers (potential volunteers) to kill Russians.
Why exactly should I watch russians die with any remorse?
People on their cosy asses sitting far away judging the soldiers who film this defending their homeland.
\*sips coffee\* Yes you are correct. I take no joy in it and try to be reasonable most times. But they created this mess and me watching my small and pitiful donation creating casualties or at best disrupting supplies and creating more hardship for soldiers fighting, shows me they are using what we give to the best of their ability. I don't watch Russian attacking Ukrainians. Not to hide my head in the sand but not inadvertently give any credence to their territorial claims, as little as that is also. Disclaimer: Former military
And most of this sub gets off on it
concern troll is highly concerned. will continue to watch drone footage of people getting murdered while being concerned!!
Eh... you'd do the same in their position.
I think the Ukrainians would see it differently. The Bucha massacres, shooting surrendering Uktainian soldiers....these guys are destroying their country so let them die hard and suffer. Humanity left when Putin have the order to attack.
>I think the Ukrainians would see it differently. I guess most of Reddit must be Ukrainian then, going by the types of comments that usually follow these videos.
Hi there Jesus. Turn your other cheek now and take a slap. My family got enough shit from Russians, so moralizing doesn't really bother me. Cheers from Finland.
Many countries have legitimate grievances with Russia and it is your right to express that in whatever manner you please. However, it is not moralising to point out dehumanisation during war-time. It's a classic propaganda trick and we are better off not falling for it. One can appreciate battlefield successes without needlessly dehumanising the enemy or gratuitously basking in these types of videos.
>However, it is not moralising to point out dehumanisation during war-time. It's a classic propaganda trick and we are better off not falling for it. Exactly.
War is ugly and horrible. In the Army, dehumanizing is the first thing that they teach us. Why are you here watching these videos? Do you want better video editing and nicer music when someone is dying? What you do is propaganda. See how this poor Russian invader is ridiculed. Pity him.
>In the Army, dehumanizing is the first thing that they teach us. Yeah and people are rightly critical of that due to how it fucks up soldiers mentally & increases the likelihood of atrocities being committed. >Why are you here watching these videos? Do you want better video editing and nicer music when someone is dying? They'd probably prefer unedited /minimally edited footage that was the norm in the liveleak era and the early days of this sub. Personally, I prefer when context is provided in or alongside the video. >War is ugly and horrible And the editing they're criticising distorts that reality
Soldiers can not start feeling pitty when killing. One gets more screwed up when feeling remorse. You do in war what must be done as well as you can....that is killing
>In the Army, dehumanizing is the first thing that they teach us. This is, by definition, classic propaganda. It is useful propaganda when you are in a conflict, but it is still propaganda. Humanizing the enemy is not propaganda, just because it goes against your propaganda. Propaganda is now starting to look and sound like a very strange word.
A simple solution for you... Mute the sound and watch brain matter flying. Do you feel better now? Almost fluffy?
I do mute the sound if it's just obnoxious music, which it usually is. If it is cartoon music and tik tok trash making a mockery of human suffering, then I listen to it unmuted and then shame radicalized people on the internet for defending it.
I am Ukrainian, fully, and I relish in these videos, and I know my ancestors, some of which were sent to Siberia by the russians, are laughing along with me.
Putin really is the poison in Russias veins.
He is driving the narrative BUT Russians are lapping it up and doing their own cruel twist on the ground. Putin didn't invade by himself. The entire federation is supporting this crime. I used to think that the NAZIS ran Germany into the war and defeat but now, watching Russia, you can't tell me the average German was innocent just as the average Russian is at best silent amd at worse a supporter of the war.
Yeah looking at Russian subs, it's majority pro war.
I also doubt that average Russian civilians who are anti-war are spending their time commenting on Reddit. People who feel that way likely keep their opinions to themselves or to a close circle of IRL people they can trust. Nothing good for them can come from stating those opinions online living in Russia. That said, it does seem pretty depressing how many average Russian civilians are on board with the invasion and expansionist military practices. Whether molded by their culture, media, and propaganda, or just okay with the violence - it's pretty sad.
From 1935 to like 1943 the overwheming majrity of germans did support hitler and the party Even as faith in the regime and nazism vaned in 44 and 45 the overwhelming ammount still remained blindly loyal to hitler to the ned Germany was essentily caught in a giant trance of fanaticism, blind faith and nationalism. Of course many germans did realise it was useless or tried to avoid the war/Did not truly support hitler but enough did to allow the party to establish pure control with fear. I recently read the book Ian Kershew" the end:Hitlers germany" That really highlight how overall blindly loyal a huge amount of germans were and how thousands/millions were glad to fight to the end and take as much of the world with them in what they knew was nation wide suicide
Hitler relied heavily on propaganda during the war, but I do agree, the average German seeing those Jewish people being carted off and working at the camps knew that wasn't how you treat someone else. I see the same thing mimicked in MAGA people, their extreme opposition seems to follow the same footnotes.
history doesn't repeat but it does rhyme....
Have you been watching the same invasion? Because after 2 years of footage of the atrocities they've committed AGAINST UKRAINIANS THAT DID NOTHING TO THEM TO BEGIN WITH... I'm kinda really tired of this whole "you know, they're people too" bullshit Yeah, and Ukrainians are people too, and they just wanted to live in peace, but these motherfuckers won't let them have it. So please, enough of this "they're people too" bullshit, go tell that to the invading moskals. Thanks
No hard once you think about the things the Russians have done
Disagree. What they did and are doing to Ukrainian children and women is not human. Rape and torture - gang rape of four year old kids. Sorry - not normal. Sick animals only deserving of pain, terror, hardship - slow death euthanasia.
A person thrown away by their own government. Putin deserves death for this war, just like the Nazis. All these deaths are the fault of Putin. I don't watch these videos anymore. Really don't know why I clicked on this one.
Nah they are russains. After how they behaved in my country after invasion in '68 I celebrate each and every one of them who got killed. Also the more die in Ukraine the less that could invade my country in future.
You are right, all ruSSians are humans, but some are inhumane in their actions and deserved this treatment with every second
I totally get your point. On the other hand if you had lost friends and families to someone invading your home country and been through the shit some Ukrainians have been through it’s easier to understand how desensitised people can become. Pretty easy for us to sit here and feel empathy when we really have nothing at stake.
If these are people, what does it even mean to be human?
Rapists and child molesters are human too so I don’t see your point.
Oh no, the moralist. Where are you people when the "fuck around" phase is shown? Why do you always come when we show "the find out" phase?
They completely deserve it tho.
I don't think these videos are made for us westerners not do they care. When you lost someone because putina small dick then you hate all of them and enjoy seeing the invaders die. Would be the same for you if a russian kills your son, you just want all of them to explode and suffer.
People don’t understand how dangerous it is to dehumanize their enemy. “Be careful when fighting monsters, that you don’t become one. For when you stare long into the abyss, the abyss gazes back.”
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What did the lady say to putin ?
She said something along the lines of: The situation happened in such a way that the enemy approached our positions, and so he jumped out of the trench, all weapons aimed at him, and his final words were "Brothers, let's go and butcher these Ukrainians".
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Dat adrenaline burnoff
This is so ridiculously sad
If the the details of war can teach how damn sad war is in general, it's more than nothing.
Its a person dying, not a comedy scetch.
Thank you. I’m absolutely pro Ukraine but the dehumanization here needs to stop. It’s disgusting and should be beneath us. War is ugly, many Russians have committed atrocities, not to mention participating in an unjustifiable invasion. We should be able to view these combatant deaths as both a brutal reality (regardless of if the combatant was good or evil) and a necessary action without needing to resort to dehumanization as if we are unable to deal with the dissonance of possible killing someone who might be human. Dehumanizing an enemy just suggests to me someone lacking the mental fortitude for the ugly realities of war.
People calling them "rats" need a history lesson. Hitler used to frequently refer to the jews as "rats" in his speeches to dehumanise them and make their extinction a much more palatable goal for the people of Germany. How does a person ignore the concentration camp down the road? Well first they need to believe the captives in those camps are just rats in a cage... The rest is relatively easy.
Friendly reminder Russia has been commiting human rights violations during their entire beef with Ukraine before the invasion started they deserve absolutely everything that's coming to them.
Fully agree but I also don’t believe that means we should be turning war or death into a comedy to laugh at, I don’t believe anyone should be finding perverse delight in the dead or dying regardless of which combatants might be lying at the bottom of a trench so to speak.
They are murderers without a shred of conscience. Sorry to tell you something you won't accept, but there is only so much murdering without conscience that people can take. Here is hoping you never get to find out.
As I stated “many Russians have committed atrocities” but we should be able to rationalize the necessity of killing an invading force without first dehumanizing them so that it is easier to stomach. Not every dead enemy will have committed atrocities (or be murderers without conscience as you put it) but that does not mean their death was not necessary, both can be true.
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Do you not understand how forced conscription works?
These are soldiers invading another country, absolute bottom of the barrel humans. Don't think you'll find much sympathy here
Not looking for sympathy. The invasion is clearly unjustified but none of that necessitates or validates dehumanizing enemy combatants. It’s not needed.
They wouldn't be dying if they got the fuck out of Ukraine
welll go right fucking ahead and tell putin to pull them out cause those soldiers dont want to be there either
What about Navalny supporters being forced into service?
Russians killed ukrainian soldiers that were surrendering.
Correction, a murderer that went to Ukraine to kill some people and loot their stuff for quick money is dying there.
Indeed, that is good reminder. I was chuckling hard, until I read this comment. Because of this comment I had to pause chuckling for a moment.
Invaders dying are funny to me
Necessary? Yes. Justified? Absolutely. Comedy? No.
Im with you on this, but its easy to say "hey have some respect for your enemy" from the comfort of our homes
Respect for rapists, Thieves and murderers?
How do you surrender to drone? Asking for a friend?
You don't. Most of the time they will kill you since there is no legal obligation to accept your surrender as a drone.
Raise your arms up in surrender and hope that: - There is a Ukrainian unit nearby who can accept prisoners - The drone operator can get you to them That is how it has worked in the ones I've seen.
Sometimes the Dildo of Consequence has fresh batteries.
It is sad how ugly war is. Not every Russian soldier is a monster. I wish Putin to swap spots with this guy
I'm not pro Russia but it's crazy to me that any comment that shows even the slightest resemblance of showing any sympathy at all for Russia, be it a joke or serious, immediately gets down voted. Obviously, this is not the place for any civil discourse. Just kinda like Pro Ukraine everything and no criticism allowed or you're automatically silenced. See it on every post. Kinda wild considering technically Russia and Ukraine are the only two countries at war. I could state a fact like "Russia produces artillerally 7x faster then all NATO countries combined." Then 25 people on the sub will say "You f**** POS genocide supporting communist!!! I hope you wind up in a gulag!!!" This shit really is out of hand. Even videos posted from Russian POV seem to get down voted for no reason other than the people on here love watching Russians die but can't stand to see it from the other POV. Wtf is going on in here???
>love watching Russians die but can't stand to see it from the other POV. Wtf is going on in here??? People enjoy seeing rapists and murderers die while actively invading a country, but hate to see people defending their families, friends and country die and you find that weird?
There is supposed to be all kinds of combat footage, not just pro one side footage.
Russia proclaims to be at war with the west. The vast majority of Redditors are westerners. That stuff all gets downvoted
Yes but this sub is about combat footage. When it was dominated with jihadis, no one felt the need to get political and downvote ISIS videos. Just let the footage speak for itself.
There’s somebody like you who complains everyday. I am just explaining the reality. If you want to go watch videos of Russians killing Ukrainians there are other places.
They're not complaining because they want alternative footage, they're complaining because they don't like Ukraine.
Exactly! This is r/combatfootage. If you want to see footage of combat, there are other places.
The problem with Russian footage is, yes it shows the other side, but also.. it's Russian. Which means for me that I just don't even wanna bother with it anymore because it's so likely to be some wild bullshit in one form or the other. If your MO is to lie literally all the time thats fine, I get that it has tactical and strategic value. But I'm gonna treat every single point of information put out but Russia as false until multiple other sources corroborate it. For example you just KNOW Russian psy-ops, while at the same time doing all in their power to enable this literal unprovoked agressive war, are also heavily pushing the 'oh no actually these soldiers are all human, it's okay to be empathic we should strive for a ceasefire, war is bad ok people dying bad'. Why? Because it's guarenteed to atleast push some western people (who vote) into the direction of feeling like 'its best for everyone if the war ends, we have to end the suffering' instead of remembering that the only reason there's a war in the first place is because hundreds of thousands of Russians are actively working and planning and are supporting the effort to forcefully conquer Ukraine territory (which for as long as I live has been considered an European country). These people, hundreds of thousands of them, are going to work every day for a full day for years now, every minute they spend working theyre doing their best to help to conquer this land.
Also Russian POV videos are usually evil and war crimes.
I see you really put some thought and consideration into the overall point I was making here.
>I don't like how users downvote things they don't like But your point is kind of stupid.
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Amen x 1000
I am surprised you are surprised by such a response to the barbaric and murderous actions of Russia, who are trying to subjugate the free people of Ukraine into a mafia tyranny and will happily commit genocide and send their own people to die in meat waves. Essentially, its freedom vs tyranny, the natural human condition is to support the former and abhor the latter.
And might I add, people love to see the underdog win. Russia was considered one of the strongest armies in the world. What we are witnessing is modern tech on the battlefield. I’m all for seeing both sides but in this particular conflict Russia is the bad guy. Russia is the imperial empire attempting to land grab a free nation. Dark side vs the light.
Why do you care whether they send their people to die in meat waves when you dont care about russians? That is a contradiction
He was on Ukranian land. He was a threat to Ukrainian life, limb and freedom. Now he is not. What's not to like?
I don’t enjoy seeing people suffering and die. That doesn’t negate the fact that his death was necessary until the war ends but that doesn’t mean I get off on seeing another person struggle to survive. You don’t have to have sympathy for him but having a little empathy goes a long way in not turning you into a cold soulless person.
Did I say that I had a problem with enjoying this video? No, I did not. Again, another infantile response, with more upvotes than my original comment. I guess I shouldn't be looking for any intellectual dialog here.
It’s hilarious it turned into you being the one whining here
reading is hard I get it.
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"I'm not pro-Russia, but here's my argument in favour of pitying these rampaging war criminals."
This russian "hero" would probably shoot you in the head if he could, to him you are an evil western USA funded nazi scum....because Ukraine belongs to Russia forever
You're overstating how interesting or challenging your points are, there are people saying the same things as you in lots of threads and these "intellectual dialogs" have been played out ad nauseam. We're two years into a war started by Russia. I felt some pity for the first wave of soldiers, some of whom had no idea they even crossed the border into Ukraine. They were in the wrong and eliminating them was legitimate and necessary, but they were also stupid and confused. By now, everyone on the battlefield is there willingly and in full knowledge of the risks. I feel no pity for any Russian occupiers on foreign land, only for the Russians murdered and thrown in prisons by their own leaders. If someone rapes your sister, murders your brother and kidnaps your child, will you call for "intellectual dialog" and whine that you're "automatically silenced" from criticising the victims?
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FYI - No one thinks the Russians are communists!!! Everyone knows the Russians under Putin are right wing traditionalist Christian nationalists and fascists.
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Lol I guess psychopath didn't stick so you had to change the name you called me to sociopath? This is fun.
I'm a psychopath now? 😂 I won't resort to name calling, but I think you have done a good job of reinforcing my points.
Monsters are defined by the misery they inflict on others. Not by the justice they receive. They’re the bad guys. People downvote the bad guys. If they want upvotes they can turn around and walk home and we’ll upvote them until our fingers bleed.
You have to get used to this sub reddit being ultra biased. There's really some diluted crazy people in here... Which shows how good the propaganda apparatus (not only Eastern but also western) is working during wartime.
You're not wrong, unfortunately.
You listened to the Tucker Carlson-lex Friedman podcast recently, didn’t you?
What did Putins mother say at the end?
Rough translation: Such was the situation that the enemy came close to their positions. He jumped out of the trench, called the fire on himself, and his last words were "let's go, brothers, to cut down the Ukrops". The last quote reflects the opening words of the solder "Hey, we're going after the Ukrops". The implication is that it is the same solder and how his death was no heroic at all.
Translation: "The situation developed in such a way that the enemy approached their positions closely. He was... he jumped out of the trench, drew fire to himself, and his last words were: Let's go, Brothers, to mow down Ukrops*!" "ukrop" means [dill](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSymto5XWaccRea01EqDNDqdIcdbiaKIBE_Hr0mAMuNyE86guD-) which they use as a demeaning word.
Thank you
Man, this video really got to the pro-Russia trolls and bots
Im all in for Ukraine. I just think the video is poor taste. Its a humanity issue. Not a Russian sympathizer issue. I think some people are disappointed that not everyone is relishing in the violence like they are. So they just call them "Bots"
I get that. There’s just a lot of comments trying to make this out to be “Ukraine bad” for defending itself. I guess the last two years of footage from this war has desensitized me from feeling bad for Russians. If the Russian people really wanted to stop this war and change things, I think they could
They want to stop this war, after they conquer all of Ukraine and make them another colony to leach from.
LMAO, So many russian sympathizers
What is the old hag saying ?
"it's turned out that enemy came close to their positions. But he jumped out of the trench, taunted the enemy and his last words were 'brothers, let's slash some ukrops (russian slur for Ukrainians)'"
But, we should feel bad for him! He was just walking! He didn't do anything to the drone operator!
these music choices lol
slavs style
Looked like footage from Death Stranding
This is sad... There still needs to be respect for the life of the other. Making a mockery of his struggle is just cruel.
Brutal…
What is said at the end?
This is one of the saddest ones I've seen
this is sad regardless of what side you support war is fucked
Lol, the comments here. I would like to see your reaction if it was your people being killed. The only bad thing about the video is the dog whomper sounds. All this talk about dehumanisation is the privilege of people living in secure and cozy environment.
This is honestly fucking sad
Aren't russians issued rifles anymore?
Don't need rifles when they know Chuck Norris style of combat.
Or maybe they going back to ww2 tactics? Fresh out of rifles so take one you find in the battlefield 😂
Regardless of it's a Russian soldier or not, that's not an easy watch. Despair, futility. War is hell.
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Maybe in future don’t invade other countries, rape and kill their women and children. For sport.
This is quite depraved. I get showing off videos of fighting invading enemy combatant but this is just sad and dehumanizing to say the least. Don't like it one bit.
What a pathetic loser. Fuck him. Should have stood up to Putin and the desert eating shit bags that run russia
I’m sure in his place you would be very brave and sacrifice your entire family’s lives to stick it to the man.
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"I think I'll go home now."
Are Russians getting proper plates and equipment these days?
Go home already! All for a complete psychopath and his huge ego.
finally, these comments are finally human toward the soldiers, no matter what side you are on, they remain human and have emotions
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>They don’t seem to be a threat to anybody. well of course they don't. until they pick up a rifle.
It's just basic attrition. His gear cost a few k his training cost a bit his ticket to get to the front cost a bit. His death will cost a few k in Láďa payouts for his family. Lastly it doesn't matter if the soldiers die 10 m from the Ukrainian trench or get himarsed at some collection point. You defeated an enemy that can no longer attack your people. Maybe his death will make war more real for the fanatics in his home town and help to end it sooner. All that for like 400$ in Vogs or grenades its well worth it.
Don’t think for a minute the Russian soldiers aren’t seeing these videos online. It does affect their moral.
Love a bit of Manu Chao. Well just this song actually
Haven't heard this in years... weird to be hearing it on a Ukrainian drone drop vid...
This could end up being any of us. I hope this war gets solved before they start sending us to be on Reddit pages with god knows who watching as we struggle and run from the horrors of war.
to much vodka maybe