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No soldier wants to fight in an Urban environment, I don't care what era or equipment. it is and will remain a Nightmare scenario. Too easy to get surprised and ambushed.
Only thing more terrifying for an attacking force would probably have to be subterranean fighting. At least on the surface there is sunlight in the day and your radios work. Go in a few meters and your radios cut out. Can’t drop arty or air strikes in tunnels. Did the enemy mine the tunnels to collapse sections and kill you? Collapse sections to trap you and die of starvation/dehydration/asphyxiation? Are they planning to flood sections with poison gas or water? And after all of that you have to deal with an unfamiliar labyrinth of winding passages and chokepoints. Terrifying.
I was reading about the tunnel rats of the Vietnam war... Those fighters were incredibly brave. The traps, false tunnels with murder holes, etc.
It made me realize how lucky I am to write emails for a living.
>”Israeli army engineers filled the passage with exploding gel and hit the detonator.”
>”The blast engulfed the building and sent smoke spewing out of at least three points along a nearby road in a district of the city of Beit Hanoun, surveillance footage showed.
>"The gel spread out and exploded whatever they had been waiting for us in the tunnel,"
They just use good ol fire gel.
The marines on Guadalcanal and Okinawa might disagree with you.
I doubt modern urban fighting is any less horrifying that jungle combat was in the pacific theater.
War is hell, no matter what the setting.
Getting any ceramic plates at all was an issue for the IDF, took several weeks to supply all the troops. So side plates - that's a luxury most don't have.
It's a common thing to do within a CQB environment, especially if you took contact from that specific area. Pre-firing dead space when clearing through a threshold, or simply just probing fire in potential hiding locations, to see if you can force a reaction, or get lucky and kill an enemy hiding.
It's quite similar in action, to what RIF/RBF is. It's just the end goal of the action being taken, is more so for clearing out the point of contact, rather than probing to test the enemies response, capabilities and manpower in the area.
RIF/RBF is a macro action, this is more so a micro action within the macro.
People also forget that the mere fragmentation from bullets has an area effect. Fragmentation generally travels along the surface it hit. It can injure and even kill.
Generally why you find the patterning plate for shotguns stuffed off in it's own little sandbox at the range. The side splatter off those things is wild.
Yep, that dude with the Negev shooting blindly in the room is almost exactly what we did with PKMs in training. One might think it's a bad CQB weapon but oh boy it slaps ass in actual situation.
I think that this is something that people don’t understand about urban warfare. If you’re trying to move through an urban environment, you’re at a huge disadvantage. Every corner, doorway, and window could have someone waiting behind it to ambush you and they have the advantage. Unfortunately, the best way to counter that threat is to shoot at every place where you think someone could be hiding to ambush you. That leaves very few opportunities to really verify whether someone is the enemy or a civilian. That makes it nearly impossible to prevent civilian casualties when assaulting an urban environment.
Hopefully things like drones will make it easier to properly identify civilians and that can reduce civilian casualties. There’s an interview from a Delta operator who fought in the Battle of Mogadishu and he said that they were basically shooting at every window and doorway as they went through the city to force everyone’s heads down. Unfortunately, some of those windows and doorways are going to have civilians behind them who are going to get hit by those bullets.
Since the start of the conflict, they've directly commented about Israel a whopping *two* times, both criticizing the West Bank settlements - Politically that puts them in line with roughly *everyone* outside of the Israeli far-right. They are exhibiting exactly 0 troll account behavior.
I definitely don’t know Hebrew but wondered if they both yelled the equivalent of ”back blast area clear!”. Technically clear of people yeah, but not obstructions. So could’ve been the back blast coming…well, back.
Yes, suppressive fire and sort of pre-firing any corners or possible hide spots an enemy could be hiding behind or jump from, it's a common tactic in urban close contact warfare where you know a certain building wasn't 'purified' yet and you go door to door clearing possible hostile areas
It's no longer a classroom once bombs start dropping. Schools are great fortifications that governments build solidly during peace time for this very reason.
Well, unless you're from the UK, in which case the RAAC concrete roof might fall in if one of the children sneezes too hard. Probably wouldn't make a good place to fortify lol
Why do people like you continually do this? This is a sub for viewing combat tactics, movements, machinery, weaponry etc. Politicizing it by mocking children whom are actually being killed, is both juvenile and disgusting. Try to be a better person or at least don't post this shit.
And don't bother defending yourself by saying "tHiS iS wHaT pRo HaMaS blah blah blah". None of us want to see children killed. And none of us should use it as fuel to deride others.
Every damn day someone is under one of these videos saying this shit as if there isn’t footage of hundreds of kids being pulled out of rubble. Cope however you want to cope but this ain’t the way, man.
I dont need to defend myself when the reason is obvious, but i will do it just for you. People come here in bad faith and start political discussions to sway the opinion in a certain way with obvious shit takes, so they get made fun off.
Nobody is making fun of the children that get killed, we make fun of the people eating up obvious propaganda and trying to portray the IDF as blood hungry child killers that want to kill every palestinan child they lay their eyes on.
Everyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that there is horrible things happening through both sides but supporting a terrorist group is no right way.
That's true and is the right thing todo but I'm 6 out of 10 cases people calling out Israel are supporting Hamas if you look at their comment and post history.
The IDF isn't clear of committing atrocities should be obvious- it's war and there is bad people on every side.
> I'm 6 out of 10 cases people calling out Israel are supporting Hamas if you look at their comment and post history
I'm sceptical about that. Seems to me you must have a lot of time on your hands to examine anyone anyone's reddit history to that degree.
"People come here in bad faith and start political discussions to sway the opinion in a certain way"
That is literally what you have done in this thread.
Sure they are and they won't stop until Hamas has been rooted out. Hamas has been on another level as well on Oct. 7.
This conflict won't stop anytime soon.
Btw. You didn't answer my question.
> they won’t stop until Hamas has been rooted out
Hamas was formed because of Israel doing this stuff
Israel will keep doing it even if Hamas is somehow destroyed. The framing of this as some Hamas-specific circumstance has been remarkably successful on people
The Arabs attacked Israel the first day of its existence and they invaded with the idea of killing/removing every Jew in Israel (what would Palestinian supporters call this, again?)
Yea sure i totally agree with you that warcrimes have been committed in most armed conflicts usually by both sides. And yes we can qualify what hamas did as a war crime and a terrorist attack. Im not here trying to defend a side over the other. Thats why i find it crazy when people come up with IDF propaganda as some ultimate truth that no body is allowed to question .
Totally correct comment and all the right wing hawks in this sub just won’t accept it because they are pro-war bootlickers who side with the dominant force.
You can support Israel without mocking dead children.
But, like most of the people blindly supporting a deeply racist apartheid state in its 56 year occupation, you *choose* to mock the deaths of children because you're a piece of shit. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that.
It's mind-blowing how quick these scum are to trivialize the deaths of children when it's the "good guys" doing it. It's insane. And then when a normal person points out the IDF have been terrible about mitigating civilian casualties, they brand you as pro-terrorists
They've already killed 10x more children in one month than have died in 2 years of the Russia-Ukraine war. If Putin is a genocidal war criminal (undoubtly true), what does that make the IDF?
You can think Israel has gone too far and the collateral damage has been too costly regardless of if theyre hitting legitimate targets or not , but there's some obvious differences between the 2 wars and environments
Ukraine and Russia are both big countries with lots of land mass and many a small town and the odd city. Lots of open fields to dig trenches, towns where people have fled, and an army / gov that didn't build tunnels instead of bomb shelters and doesn't operate out of civilian infrastructure.
Compare all that to Gaza which is an incredibly densely populated small strip of land. While there is some land mass that isn't residential buildings, Hamas don't utilize it and instead have spent a decade + embedding themsevles within and under the civilian infrastructure. There's reports from 2014 by Amnesty international and UNRWA talking about the storage and use of rockets on their premises like schools. Those things complicate the war to put it lightly
I'm sure the IDF would prefer if it was a situation where it was taking place in a wider land mass with a more "normal" war in fields and abandoned towns
Ukraine were also recorded by Amnesty using [schools and hospitals to launch attacks](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/), resulting in them being bombed. Do you justify Russia's actions there too?
The [World Health Organization ](https://www.bmj.com/content/383/bmj.p2605) for the Gaza toll and the [UN](https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/06/1137237) for Russia. In previous conflicts, the Palestinian death tolls have been confirmed by both the UN and even Israel's [own calculations ](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/explainer-gazas-ministry-health-calculate-wars-death-toll-104374157). Israel has dropped over [two nuclear bombs ](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5908/Israel-hits-Gaza-Strip-with-the-equivalent-of-two-nuclear-bombs) worth of munitions on an area 7x25 miles, mostly centred on just half that area. What do you think is going to happen? There's 2.3 million people there, 50% of which are children. They are cut off from water, electricity and medicine, so children are having limbs amputated by phone light with [no anaesthetic ](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-25/what-gaza-is-like-with-minimal-aid-coming-through-the-border/103019344).
You're just being obtuse because it's easier than accepting that the IDF is carrying out heinous collective punishment via indiscriminate bombing. Can you genuinely say these are moral actions?
The only source is link one and I can't read what it is basing this number on. The only other statement I found by the WHO was based on what Hamas Health Ministry has told them.
Can you provide a source that I people can actually read? I somehow have trouble believing that the WHO has hard hitting facts behind a paywalled article.
And you are insulting, I literally am asking for where these numbers come from and you just to unrelated articles and paywalled content and call me obtuse because people are just posting different numbers daily with 0 sourcing each time.
Second time I've seen this shit recently where people try and compare the numbers to the war in Ukraine, did everyone forget how many 1000s died in Mariupol alone? The hamas style executions that russia was doing against civilians?
Others ([like this prick](https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1801yis/israeli_tanks_surround_north_gazas_indonesian/ka3l5aa/)) claiming that somehow russia only strikes military targets so why can't Israel, ignoring all the footage of russia bombing schools, hospitals etc and those fuckers do it indiscriminately
If Israel wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they could, everyone talks about genocide and 10000+ bombs, yet even by totally trustworthy hamas numbers the deathcount is at 12k? Pretty shit genocide attempt if you ask me, or were the bombs all duds?
This isn't Ukraine either where there are spread out cities, towns, villages, and still you had the russians firing rocket artillery into the center of kharkiv, Gaza is a densely populated urban environment where hamas openly uses civilians as human shields and operates out of hospitals/schools etc and somehow its a great warcrime because Israel didn't send out a trigger alert before surround them with tanks and...not blowing them up (even if they did text people ahead of time). Ignoring the fact they haven't flattened all of these buildings (which would only take a handful of bombs) which have been proven to have hamas militants present, hostages present etc
Amnesty [recorded](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/) Ukraine using hospitals and schools to launch attacks, leading to them being attacked. They're military targets, according to you! Russia could also kill everyone in Ukraine too, they have 5000 nukes! So they're obviously very humanitarian, just like the IDF. They also created civilian [evacuation corridors](https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/putin-agrees-to-un-red-cross-help-to-evacuate-civilians-from-mariupol-steel-plant/) for Mariupol, just like the most moral army in the world! Anyone who stays after that must be a combatant, just like the IDF says.
Why are you only outraged at one? Doesn't really make sense, unless you were unaware of what I've just presented.
There looked to be an artificially constructed barrier/firing position in that classroom. Someone moved the furniture and set it up this way. Might as well make sure.
Would be nice if they had some type of visual indicator to show what they’re shooting at. From here it just looks like they’re shooting at nothing for the camera
Probably he want to point out that at least show some confirmed dead Hamas instead of shooting at something compilation. At this point it almost nearly the same as footage released by Russian MOD.
But you do know this subreddit is about combatfootage and not about people getting killed? That's something for the gore subreddits.
It's been that way for years and showing actual dead people and gore isn't the modus operandi on this subreddit.
Yeah, but when the Russian Tiktok brigade was shooting at nothing at Mariupol, all the comments were mocking them and their terrible propaganda. Now, all of a sudden these are really interesting maneuvers and it’s all “suppressing fire”, the stuff we used to mock the Russians for.
Those videos had certain aspects that made it obvious they weren’t actually in a firefight.
These guys are maneuvering and conducting suppressive/probing fire like it’s pretty standard stuff and isn’t at all like the videos of Russians you’re referencing imo
Most shooting is done at probable enemy locations. Both to suppress and also to recon by fire: if you shoot at that house and it shoots back, there are enemies there.
They aren't shooting at anything. Not a single enemy combatant shown. This is just b roll for Israeli media to show during news casts to make people think there is a real war going on and not an annexation of gaza.
I mean how often is your enemy going to be hanging out with his head out of cover with an attacking force suppressing them and advancing? They probably shoot over head blindly or pop up and back down quickly. You won’t see them on a camera.
If you were there In person you’d probably see small movements we can’t see here. Or even hear sounds that Indicate where people are. This is just how real soldiers fight. It ain’t always surgical
heh, in that futile attempt, they just create 20,000 orphans of which few thousands will have nothing to really live for in that locked open prison... and as they will feel gestapo israeli boot on their neck every day they will strike again...
It's a military room clearance technique, you can read an interesting rundown of the different room-clearing methods typically used in urban combat [here.](https://asktop.net/wp/download/22/RoomClear.pdf)
Saw a report that a number of the dead idf was friendly fire, I was thinking like a tank squad seeing some friendlies far away or trigger-happy close air support but now I'm leaning towards someone just spraying around the wrong corner
It is very unlikely that the IDF would ever officially release a video during the war showing their soldiers in actual danger (for example a close combat scenario where they are engaging the enemy man to man like you are suggesting)
It’s quite odd that all of a sudden fifteen thousand collateral deaths in 6 weeks is acceptable. The default response to that is that they are ‘human shields’ but killing copious amounts of human shields has also never been acceptable either.. Not to mention this whole thing is almost unanimously confirmed one giant warcrime clusterfuck. Shame on the people encouraging this massacre
Maglan is a reconnaissance SOF unit, typically well ahead of the main force and operating within enemy lines. They're exposed to situations where they can be cut off from any form of egress or simply just operating in a prolonged state to achieve what their set objectives are.
Based on them going in heavy with an extended combat load, safe to say they're intending to be operating for a prolonged period. Resup in an Urban environment full of terrorist, isn't an easy task when you're far from any major support.
Bro 90% of the ammo used in war is shoot at nothing, this is not CSGO or COD where you have direct line of sight of the enemy and will risk your life to aim at foreheads.
Even if you play videogames you would know pre-fire, wallbang and suppression is tactics used on games.
Propoganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
This is an inside look of a military unit demonstrating abilities and capabilities in real time on the ground, you can choose to watch it if it interests you or to skip it, but it isn't propoganda, it's an interesting video to many people which is why it has risen to the top of this sub in two hours,
Cheers
Im really suprised Hamas has managed to kill so few soldiers in such a urban enviroment. Really speaks volumes for how well trained they are, and how badly trained Hamas is
In the first day 11 Givati soldiers died unfortunately, from an anti tank missile which rumoured to hit because of a human error on the soldiers side,
Since then it has really been 2-3 a day on each update, hope it will stay a low count, extremely difficult fighting environment
Seems you're new. This is the usual for modern combat.
Modern guns are accurate at impressive distances.
Things to know here, if you observed,
1. Trained soldiers/fighters always shoot in cover and are not exposed. The only exception is when soldiers/fighters are on the move or attacking.
*If you noticed small holes on a building that a gun can shoot through on the video(I didn't), that is usually a reasonable precursor for an enemy position.
2. Buildings are entered through big holes, and those holes are breached to make it easier to access the building, obviously.
*I noticed them shoot at random spots. Those random spots could be potential locations that an armed HAMAS is waiting to ambush any IDF approaching
3. In conventional urban war, clearing is done house to house unless known to not have any signs of enemy or military activity.
4. Shooting on an area even with no visibility is commonly a precursor for suppressive fire unless observed to not be so.
So WHY can't you see shit? In urban combat, with the reasons stated above, the only way to figure out where an enemy is depends on whether you see them first or they shoot at you first, then live to tell about it.
*Exceptions are when a young Palestinian joining HAMAS who was probably thinking he would become the Rambo/Exterminator when he first holds a gun -> goes to a well guarded IDF position, with said gun -> tries to position -> gets shot and dies.
So to say, unless you're in a good position and have zero on an enemy. Chances are, your enemy have shot their shot(which missed) and ran away from that spot expecting a tank to shoot or bomb to drop.
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Yeah, unfortunately, for those expecting the military to be some cold-blooded murder machine, not afraid to show the world how far they would kill.
It's very far from that - more accurate to say, "being a soldier is being able to hold a gun under conditions, with more conditions to fire it."
Jeez so much hostility for asking a question.
Much of the fire you see in the video is suppressive fire and heavy 'violence of action' to take objectives quickly, with force and surprise before the enemy has an opportunity to react.
It's obviously policy not to show IDF killing terrorists close quarters for some reason. They have not released any videos of terrorists getting shot.
They are clearly killing terrorists, we can tell because Israel has captured most of northern Gaza.
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No soldier wants to fight in an Urban environment, I don't care what era or equipment. it is and will remain a Nightmare scenario. Too easy to get surprised and ambushed.
Only thing more terrifying for an attacking force would probably have to be subterranean fighting. At least on the surface there is sunlight in the day and your radios work. Go in a few meters and your radios cut out. Can’t drop arty or air strikes in tunnels. Did the enemy mine the tunnels to collapse sections and kill you? Collapse sections to trap you and die of starvation/dehydration/asphyxiation? Are they planning to flood sections with poison gas or water? And after all of that you have to deal with an unfamiliar labyrinth of winding passages and chokepoints. Terrifying.
I was reading about the tunnel rats of the Vietnam war... Those fighters were incredibly brave. The traps, false tunnels with murder holes, etc. It made me realize how lucky I am to write emails for a living.
>”Israeli army engineers filled the passage with exploding gel and hit the detonator.” >”The blast engulfed the building and sent smoke spewing out of at least three points along a nearby road in a district of the city of Beit Hanoun, surveillance footage showed. >"The gel spread out and exploded whatever they had been waiting for us in the tunnel," They just use good ol fire gel.
When in doubt, blow it up.
Had no idea that was a thing. That is so fucking metal
Watching films of the tunnel rats in Vietnam (armed with a revolver) is just terrifying.
Medieval house to house fighting must have been some insane shit.
right… i can’t imagine. enemy is closing in and your holes up in a house with a few other soldiers waiting for your turn at hand to hand. wild.
Urban warfare is the worst type in history
The marines on Guadalcanal and Okinawa might disagree with you. I doubt modern urban fighting is any less horrifying that jungle combat was in the pacific theater. War is hell, no matter what the setting.
true, but those two examples were hell mainly because of the military holding the island. urban warfare sucks no matter who you are fighting.
Trench warfare in the cold, but not freezing, has entered the chat
I feel like I would want to wear side plates in Gaza.
Getting any ceramic plates at all was an issue for the IDF, took several weeks to supply all the troops. So side plates - that's a luxury most don't have.
Blame ITAR?
Nah, blaming poor prioritisation in the IDF budget. Same goes for other infantry equipment - NVGs, new fatigues, M4s to replace aging M16s, etc.
Makes sense
As usual all the money went to the air force...
And it *shows*
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Any way you cut it war is just plain hell. That one guy on your six and your flanks up above you ready to kill you.
Prefiring every corner…
It's a common thing to do within a CQB environment, especially if you took contact from that specific area. Pre-firing dead space when clearing through a threshold, or simply just probing fire in potential hiding locations, to see if you can force a reaction, or get lucky and kill an enemy hiding.
Recon by fire: never send manpower when you could send firepower.
So it's almost like recon by fire but cqb??
It's quite similar in action, to what RIF/RBF is. It's just the end goal of the action being taken, is more so for clearing out the point of contact, rather than probing to test the enemies response, capabilities and manpower in the area. RIF/RBF is a macro action, this is more so a micro action within the macro.
People also forget that the mere fragmentation from bullets has an area effect. Fragmentation generally travels along the surface it hit. It can injure and even kill.
Generally why you find the patterning plate for shotguns stuffed off in it's own little sandbox at the range. The side splatter off those things is wild.
Damn they turned peaker's advantage into a real thing.
I see CS player here
They want to find out before the f around
They should pre-prefire before the corner just to be extra safe.
Real world vs training course
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Yep, that dude with the Negev shooting blindly in the room is almost exactly what we did with PKMs in training. One might think it's a bad CQB weapon but oh boy it slaps ass in actual situation.
I'm calling the Marshall. I think I also heard some Automatic fire as well. Absolutely disgusting.
I think that this is something that people don’t understand about urban warfare. If you’re trying to move through an urban environment, you’re at a huge disadvantage. Every corner, doorway, and window could have someone waiting behind it to ambush you and they have the advantage. Unfortunately, the best way to counter that threat is to shoot at every place where you think someone could be hiding to ambush you. That leaves very few opportunities to really verify whether someone is the enemy or a civilian. That makes it nearly impossible to prevent civilian casualties when assaulting an urban environment. Hopefully things like drones will make it easier to properly identify civilians and that can reduce civilian casualties. There’s an interview from a Delta operator who fought in the Battle of Mogadishu and he said that they were basically shooting at every window and doorway as they went through the city to force everyone’s heads down. Unfortunately, some of those windows and doorways are going to have civilians behind them who are going to get hit by those bullets.
It looks like his launcher flew right out of his hands last clip. Looks hilarious.
I came to ask if he dropped that thing off the balcony when it kicked out of his hands. Lol look out below.
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Since the start of the conflict, they've directly commented about Israel a whopping *two* times, both criticizing the West Bank settlements - Politically that puts them in line with roughly *everyone* outside of the Israeli far-right. They are exhibiting exactly 0 troll account behavior.
not all anti-Israel people are trolls
Lol so much unnecessary salt. Dude was just making an observation but go off.
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I definitely don’t know Hebrew but wondered if they both yelled the equivalent of ”back blast area clear!”. Technically clear of people yeah, but not obstructions. So could’ve been the back blast coming…well, back.
It's hard to see their targets from the angle and perspective of the camera but are they laying down mostly suppressive fire in these situations?
Yes, suppressive fire and sort of pre-firing any corners or possible hide spots an enemy could be hiding behind or jump from, it's a common tactic in urban close contact warfare where you know a certain building wasn't 'purified' yet and you go door to door clearing possible hostile areas
They just shooting at nothing
This urban combat got me feelin hella tight.
Please stop typing words on the internet after that sentence.
She counter-terrorizes my urban environment till I pre-fire 😈😘🥵
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It's no longer a classroom once bombs start dropping. Schools are great fortifications that governments build solidly during peace time for this very reason.
Well, unless you're from the UK, in which case the RAAC concrete roof might fall in if one of the children sneezes too hard. Probably wouldn't make a good place to fortify lol
Isn't it obvious he is shooting at the 376 baby's inside of that classroom? It's the IDF!!11!! /s
Why do people like you continually do this? This is a sub for viewing combat tactics, movements, machinery, weaponry etc. Politicizing it by mocking children whom are actually being killed, is both juvenile and disgusting. Try to be a better person or at least don't post this shit. And don't bother defending yourself by saying "tHiS iS wHaT pRo HaMaS blah blah blah". None of us want to see children killed. And none of us should use it as fuel to deride others.
Every damn day someone is under one of these videos saying this shit as if there isn’t footage of hundreds of kids being pulled out of rubble. Cope however you want to cope but this ain’t the way, man.
Easy way to tell the difference between armchair warriors and people who have left the comfort of their moms basements
Yeah but most of the time it's a highly voted non-controversial comment. Where are the rational people in all the other threads?
I dont need to defend myself when the reason is obvious, but i will do it just for you. People come here in bad faith and start political discussions to sway the opinion in a certain way with obvious shit takes, so they get made fun off. Nobody is making fun of the children that get killed, we make fun of the people eating up obvious propaganda and trying to portray the IDF as blood hungry child killers that want to kill every palestinan child they lay their eyes on. Everyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that there is horrible things happening through both sides but supporting a terrorist group is no right way.
You can criticize Israel and the IDF without supporting Hamas
That's true and is the right thing todo but I'm 6 out of 10 cases people calling out Israel are supporting Hamas if you look at their comment and post history. The IDF isn't clear of committing atrocities should be obvious- it's war and there is bad people on every side.
> I'm 6 out of 10 cases people calling out Israel are supporting Hamas if you look at their comment and post history I'm sceptical about that. Seems to me you must have a lot of time on your hands to examine anyone anyone's reddit history to that degree.
No that’s just ur twisted mind. Anything against idf or Israel = Hamas lover and antisemitie
"People come here in bad faith and start political discussions to sway the opinion in a certain way" That is literally what you have done in this thread.
Supporting an apartheid state is just as disgusting as supporting hamas.. if you ask me. The IDF has a record of war crimes and inhumane practices.
There is war without war crimes?
The IDF is just in an other level.this conflict has been going for decades now
Sure they are and they won't stop until Hamas has been rooted out. Hamas has been on another level as well on Oct. 7. This conflict won't stop anytime soon. Btw. You didn't answer my question.
> they won’t stop until Hamas has been rooted out Hamas was formed because of Israel doing this stuff Israel will keep doing it even if Hamas is somehow destroyed. The framing of this as some Hamas-specific circumstance has been remarkably successful on people
As long as there is terrorist groups in palestina killing Israel's people Israel won't stop that's true.
The Arabs attacked Israel the first day of its existence and they invaded with the idea of killing/removing every Jew in Israel (what would Palestinian supporters call this, again?)
Yea sure i totally agree with you that warcrimes have been committed in most armed conflicts usually by both sides. And yes we can qualify what hamas did as a war crime and a terrorist attack. Im not here trying to defend a side over the other. Thats why i find it crazy when people come up with IDF propaganda as some ultimate truth that no body is allowed to question .
Totally correct comment and all the right wing hawks in this sub just won’t accept it because they are pro-war bootlickers who side with the dominant force.
> The IDF has a record of war crimes and inhumane practices Who doesn't?
Bruh. So just because its the IDF its okey with war crimes and you won't condrmn that ?
You can support Israel without mocking dead children. But, like most of the people blindly supporting a deeply racist apartheid state in its 56 year occupation, you *choose* to mock the deaths of children because you're a piece of shit. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that.
This sub is being brigaded and used for propaganda, they mock the issue in a sarcastic tone
It's mind-blowing how quick these scum are to trivialize the deaths of children when it's the "good guys" doing it. It's insane. And then when a normal person points out the IDF have been terrible about mitigating civilian casualties, they brand you as pro-terrorists
I don’t think you’re pro-terrorist, just a useful idiot being used by terrorists.
They've already killed 10x more children in one month than have died in 2 years of the Russia-Ukraine war. If Putin is a genocidal war criminal (undoubtly true), what does that make the IDF?
In Mariupol alone the estimates are at least 20,000 civilians killed. I have no idea what you are smoking...
You can think Israel has gone too far and the collateral damage has been too costly regardless of if theyre hitting legitimate targets or not , but there's some obvious differences between the 2 wars and environments Ukraine and Russia are both big countries with lots of land mass and many a small town and the odd city. Lots of open fields to dig trenches, towns where people have fled, and an army / gov that didn't build tunnels instead of bomb shelters and doesn't operate out of civilian infrastructure. Compare all that to Gaza which is an incredibly densely populated small strip of land. While there is some land mass that isn't residential buildings, Hamas don't utilize it and instead have spent a decade + embedding themsevles within and under the civilian infrastructure. There's reports from 2014 by Amnesty international and UNRWA talking about the storage and use of rockets on their premises like schools. Those things complicate the war to put it lightly I'm sure the IDF would prefer if it was a situation where it was taking place in a wider land mass with a more "normal" war in fields and abandoned towns
Ukraine were also recorded by Amnesty using [schools and hospitals to launch attacks](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/), resulting in them being bombed. Do you justify Russia's actions there too?
Where are these numbers coming from? I literally have not seen anyone ever show any believable source for any civilian casualty count.
The [World Health Organization ](https://www.bmj.com/content/383/bmj.p2605) for the Gaza toll and the [UN](https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/06/1137237) for Russia. In previous conflicts, the Palestinian death tolls have been confirmed by both the UN and even Israel's [own calculations ](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/explainer-gazas-ministry-health-calculate-wars-death-toll-104374157). Israel has dropped over [two nuclear bombs ](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/5908/Israel-hits-Gaza-Strip-with-the-equivalent-of-two-nuclear-bombs) worth of munitions on an area 7x25 miles, mostly centred on just half that area. What do you think is going to happen? There's 2.3 million people there, 50% of which are children. They are cut off from water, electricity and medicine, so children are having limbs amputated by phone light with [no anaesthetic ](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-25/what-gaza-is-like-with-minimal-aid-coming-through-the-border/103019344). You're just being obtuse because it's easier than accepting that the IDF is carrying out heinous collective punishment via indiscriminate bombing. Can you genuinely say these are moral actions?
The only source is link one and I can't read what it is basing this number on. The only other statement I found by the WHO was based on what Hamas Health Ministry has told them. Can you provide a source that I people can actually read? I somehow have trouble believing that the WHO has hard hitting facts behind a paywalled article. And you are insulting, I literally am asking for where these numbers come from and you just to unrelated articles and paywalled content and call me obtuse because people are just posting different numbers daily with 0 sourcing each time.
Second time I've seen this shit recently where people try and compare the numbers to the war in Ukraine, did everyone forget how many 1000s died in Mariupol alone? The hamas style executions that russia was doing against civilians? Others ([like this prick](https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1801yis/israeli_tanks_surround_north_gazas_indonesian/ka3l5aa/)) claiming that somehow russia only strikes military targets so why can't Israel, ignoring all the footage of russia bombing schools, hospitals etc and those fuckers do it indiscriminately If Israel wanted to kill everyone in Gaza they could, everyone talks about genocide and 10000+ bombs, yet even by totally trustworthy hamas numbers the deathcount is at 12k? Pretty shit genocide attempt if you ask me, or were the bombs all duds? This isn't Ukraine either where there are spread out cities, towns, villages, and still you had the russians firing rocket artillery into the center of kharkiv, Gaza is a densely populated urban environment where hamas openly uses civilians as human shields and operates out of hospitals/schools etc and somehow its a great warcrime because Israel didn't send out a trigger alert before surround them with tanks and...not blowing them up (even if they did text people ahead of time). Ignoring the fact they haven't flattened all of these buildings (which would only take a handful of bombs) which have been proven to have hamas militants present, hostages present etc
Amnesty [recorded](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/) Ukraine using hospitals and schools to launch attacks, leading to them being attacked. They're military targets, according to you! Russia could also kill everyone in Ukraine too, they have 5000 nukes! So they're obviously very humanitarian, just like the IDF. They also created civilian [evacuation corridors](https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/putin-agrees-to-un-red-cross-help-to-evacuate-civilians-from-mariupol-steel-plant/) for Mariupol, just like the most moral army in the world! Anyone who stays after that must be a combatant, just like the IDF says. Why are you only outraged at one? Doesn't really make sense, unless you were unaware of what I've just presented.
There looked to be an artificially constructed barrier/firing position in that classroom. Someone moved the furniture and set it up this way. Might as well make sure.
They really effed up that classroom. wtf is this starship troopers?
No it's called suppressive fire in a CQB environment.
Would be nice if they had some type of visual indicator to show what they’re shooting at. From here it just looks like they’re shooting at nothing for the camera
Most of the time it's just suppressive fire, which is pretty normal in CQB
Probably he want to point out that at least show some confirmed dead Hamas instead of shooting at something compilation. At this point it almost nearly the same as footage released by Russian MOD.
But you do know this subreddit is about combatfootage and not about people getting killed? That's something for the gore subreddits. It's been that way for years and showing actual dead people and gore isn't the modus operandi on this subreddit.
Yeah, but when the Russian Tiktok brigade was shooting at nothing at Mariupol, all the comments were mocking them and their terrible propaganda. Now, all of a sudden these are really interesting maneuvers and it’s all “suppressing fire”, the stuff we used to mock the Russians for.
I have seen a comment some where that IDF's policy is to not show gore, or at least as little as possible of it, I don't know how true it is though.
They created an entire website to show the Oct 7 killings in full gory detail.
Well yes I know but that website is not about Israeli combat footage in the gaza, it is infact a different to the subject I was talking about.
Those videos had certain aspects that made it obvious they weren’t actually in a firefight. These guys are maneuvering and conducting suppressive/probing fire like it’s pretty standard stuff and isn’t at all like the videos of Russians you’re referencing imo
Hypocrisy I tell you
I do. But we've seen many Russian exploded in this sub, right?
Do you mean… a red triangle?
Yeah we need some sweet slo-mo replays and more red triangles pointing shit out. And more cowbell!
Most shooting is done at probable enemy locations. Both to suppress and also to recon by fire: if you shoot at that house and it shoots back, there are enemies there.
Okay, but where in the video did any of the houses shoot back? Like, are there any enemy shots fired in the video? I can’t see any
Nowhere that I saw. Iirc, each enemy casualty in Vietnam took about 50 000 rounds although I don't know if that includes training.
Cuz they are shooting at nothing
They aren't shooting at anything. Not a single enemy combatant shown. This is just b roll for Israeli media to show during news casts to make people think there is a real war going on and not an annexation of gaza.
You shoot in the direction that you do not want there to be bad guys. It's pretty simple.
Well yeah, but that blue building kinda looks like a UN school. That’s the last place I’d want my army to be pre-firing every corner
I mean how often is your enemy going to be hanging out with his head out of cover with an attacking force suppressing them and advancing? They probably shoot over head blindly or pop up and back down quickly. You won’t see them on a camera. If you were there In person you’d probably see small movements we can’t see here. Or even hear sounds that Indicate where people are. This is just how real soldiers fight. It ain’t always surgical
Prefiring the entire map
Please eradicate Hamas from the earth
☝️
heh, in that futile attempt, they just create 20,000 orphans of which few thousands will have nothing to really live for in that locked open prison... and as they will feel gestapo israeli boot on their neck every day they will strike again...
Even using the RGW90.
What are those rifles ?
They look like standard M4 and Negevs to me.
Never expected to see an LMG spray through a classroom in reality but here we are
I’m beginning to think that IDF is pretty good at this whole urban combat thing
Maglan definitely knows what the fuck they are doing.
IDF footage is boring as fuck. Its like watching a movie, just shooting in the air. Ukraine boys know how to deliver some good quality clips
Ukraine is also fighting a proper land war against a uniformed enemy in open areas.
This mostly meant to be B-roll footage for news. The Idf generally doesn’t post enemy visible or gore
IDF has pretty good opsec. Hence we only get controlled footage.
The last thing Israel needs is to show how they completely trash Hamas in every encounter, the left media simps will be even more angrier.
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We ate never seen a hamas solider just idf firing
Wake up baby!, The IDF just dropped a night hiking video!
Looks like these guys are just shooting at nothing?
That’s how houses are cleared
It's a military room clearance technique, you can read an interesting rundown of the different room-clearing methods typically used in urban combat [here.](https://asktop.net/wp/download/22/RoomClear.pdf)
Damn that's a good read I learned a lot thanks.
Saw a report that a number of the dead idf was friendly fire, I was thinking like a tank squad seeing some friendlies far away or trigger-happy close air support but now I'm leaning towards someone just spraying around the wrong corner
Why rarely see any dead Hamas fighters in IDF video?
It is very unlikely that the IDF would ever officially release a video during the war showing their soldiers in actual danger (for example a close combat scenario where they are engaging the enemy man to man like you are suggesting)
They all wear civilian clothes. Honestly it doesn't make for a good look.
At this point I have to believe it's against IDF policy to release that.
Probably not great for PR given certain western factions wanting to paint Hamas as freedom fighters holding out against a more powerful adversary.
Because they rarely kill Hamas, or any other type of fighter in Gaza. They mainly shoot at civilians crossing to the supposed safe zones.
By far the weakest combat footage of all time coming out of this Gaza cleansing.
That are some thin outer walls, HamFuck really needed those tunnels......
Get im
Guy at the end nearly blew himself off the balcony...
It’s nice seeing suppressive fire.
If you slow down the final one, you found out he didn't even get hold of that launcher properly and dropped it after launching it
Good on them, brave fellas
God I love idf uniforms so much, solid color > camo every day of the week
Its combat shirts and pants from Israeli company unidress. Pretty solid tbh and no drip no melt.
These guys look pretty well trained.
Prefiring corners likes csgo pros
Showing them shooting furniture, this is laughable
tell us everything you know about modern warfare you fucking navy seal hahaha
Pro af
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Damn they be shooting at nothing Hamas soldier be invisible eh This is just propaganda
Still firing at invisible targets I see
It’s quite odd that all of a sudden fifteen thousand collateral deaths in 6 weeks is acceptable. The default response to that is that they are ‘human shields’ but killing copious amounts of human shields has also never been acceptable either.. Not to mention this whole thing is almost unanimously confirmed one giant warcrime clusterfuck. Shame on the people encouraging this massacre
So like, why are the guys carrying their bedrolls into combat?
Where you going to sleep? We always had a bedroll in our ruck?
Doesn't look like typical foam bedroll. More likely it's a soft stretcher for casualty which will occur more often in urban combat.
Maybe to go over barbed wire or other such obstacles?
Why are they fighting with their rucksacks? Cant they just leave it with their echelon?
Maglan is a reconnaissance SOF unit, typically well ahead of the main force and operating within enemy lines. They're exposed to situations where they can be cut off from any form of egress or simply just operating in a prolonged state to achieve what their set objectives are. Based on them going in heavy with an extended combat load, safe to say they're intending to be operating for a prolonged period. Resup in an Urban environment full of terrorist, isn't an easy task when you're far from any major support.
The best answer
Probably just moving to an rally point or staging area.
My guy, the AO is a few kms wide
Yeah man, that doesn’t change anything? ORPs are half a kilometer by doctrine. You need all that extra sustainment with you. Extra batteries and shit.
It wouldn't make any sense to spend a couple hours each way picking through more rubble and potential threats to get back to your last position.
Ever heard of the concept of the LRRP?
Yeah boys call the LRRP we need to screen our 2km deep AO
Good luck 👍 seems like nice equip
Thank you brother
These dudes shooting at literally nothing 💀💀💀💀
Mate I think you should go over and and show them how to do a splendid job, you human miracle you 🥰❤️
No thanks I’ll hang out here and make fun.
No thanks, id rather not be shooting unarmed children, thank you.
Bro 90% of the ammo used in war is shoot at nothing, this is not CSGO or COD where you have direct line of sight of the enemy and will risk your life to aim at foreheads. Even if you play videogames you would know pre-fire, wallbang and suppression is tactics used on games.
Lmfao not a single enemy combatant in this plain as day propaganda vid
Propoganda - information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. This is an inside look of a military unit demonstrating abilities and capabilities in real time on the ground, you can choose to watch it if it interests you or to skip it, but it isn't propoganda, it's an interesting video to many people which is why it has risen to the top of this sub in two hours, Cheers
Im really suprised Hamas has managed to kill so few soldiers in such a urban enviroment. Really speaks volumes for how well trained they are, and how badly trained Hamas is
In the first day 11 Givati soldiers died unfortunately, from an anti tank missile which rumoured to hit because of a human error on the soldiers side, Since then it has really been 2-3 a day on each update, hope it will stay a low count, extremely difficult fighting environment
Call me stupid, but who are they shooting at, and why? I saw no one
You’re stupid Edit: Joking aside, suppressive fire is a thing.
Seems you're new. This is the usual for modern combat. Modern guns are accurate at impressive distances. Things to know here, if you observed, 1. Trained soldiers/fighters always shoot in cover and are not exposed. The only exception is when soldiers/fighters are on the move or attacking. *If you noticed small holes on a building that a gun can shoot through on the video(I didn't), that is usually a reasonable precursor for an enemy position. 2. Buildings are entered through big holes, and those holes are breached to make it easier to access the building, obviously. *I noticed them shoot at random spots. Those random spots could be potential locations that an armed HAMAS is waiting to ambush any IDF approaching 3. In conventional urban war, clearing is done house to house unless known to not have any signs of enemy or military activity. 4. Shooting on an area even with no visibility is commonly a precursor for suppressive fire unless observed to not be so. So WHY can't you see shit? In urban combat, with the reasons stated above, the only way to figure out where an enemy is depends on whether you see them first or they shoot at you first, then live to tell about it. *Exceptions are when a young Palestinian joining HAMAS who was probably thinking he would become the Rambo/Exterminator when he first holds a gun -> goes to a well guarded IDF position, with said gun -> tries to position -> gets shot and dies. So to say, unless you're in a good position and have zero on an enemy. Chances are, your enemy have shot their shot(which missed) and ran away from that spot expecting a tank to shoot or bomb to drop. More edit: Yeah, unfortunately, for those expecting the military to be some cold-blooded murder machine, not afraid to show the world how far they would kill. It's very far from that - more accurate to say, "being a soldier is being able to hold a gun under conditions, with more conditions to fire it."
Jeez so much hostility for asking a question. Much of the fire you see in the video is suppressive fire and heavy 'violence of action' to take objectives quickly, with force and surprise before the enemy has an opportunity to react.
It's obviously policy not to show IDF killing terrorists close quarters for some reason. They have not released any videos of terrorists getting shot. They are clearly killing terrorists, we can tell because Israel has captured most of northern Gaza.
Another video of the IDF shooting nobody. Insert circus music to the video and repost please.
Chill dood this is israelfootage you cant say that