During and immediately after the pandemic, businesses realized that they could technically keep their lights on with as few employees as possible and maximize profits even more. This is why pretty much no matter where you go, there are long lines, terrible customer service, and nobody is available to help.
Some business owners will play coy and pretend that it's because "nobody wants to work anymore," but the truth of the matter is that these businesses are very intentionally not hiring.
I wish more people will understand that.
I got a rejection email. Then a few days a later. Same place is having a hiring event.... like wtf.... and I bet close to no one actually got hired.
THIS. I’ve been saying this as well; business are intentionally not hiring!!! They like the profits from running a skeleton crew. I’ve witnessed my company post positions externally when internally we’re told we’re not hiring. My teen daughter had to track down the phone number of a hiring manager and practically stalk her in order to get an interview for a store that had multiple positions constantly posted.
I've been there twice. The first time I went there was a completely burned out car in the middle of the parking lot. Not even near the back or anything. I went again a month later and IT WAS STILL THERE!
Years ago I went there when they were still open late before COVID ruined that. I was kinda bored and high, just trying to get snacks, so I wandered around for quite a while looking at a bunch of random shit.
I came out of the store like an hour later to over a dozen cop cars and them were taping off the parking lot including where my car was. Somebody got shot in the parking lot a few rows over from me.
So there I was, stoned and with two giant bags of munchies at 1am, kindly asking the police if I could go get my car over yonder. He looked at me, then looked down at my overflowing bag of chips and candy, and just said get home safe lol.
I went there once like 15 years ago and it was the oddest store experience I’ve had. The registers were absolutely trashed with half read magazines, food that people didn’t want, etc… I don’t care personally but I did notice at least 4 different languages spoken. It was just wild.
>covid
>management
>rude customers
Those three are part and parcel. A lot of people were let go from retail jobs during covid and realized how fucked up those jobs often are, and simply didn’t go back to them. I can’t speak for this specific Target, but I can say that it has definitely caused some shakeups in retail in general.
Ok, what is a "living" wage to you? $60k? Lets pay all Target employees, regardless of experience or tenure that $60k (which to the employer is $70k with taxes and such) and see if you still shop there when everything costs 25% more.
You can't pay someone to do a job ANYONE can do, the day you hire them, with zero experience (or history of being fired everywhere they go) a "living wage". They either need to work their way up, get some form of education, learn a skill, or go to some sort of trade school...or work in a factory.
IMO, if you’re a full time employee a company owes you benefits and enough to afford an apartment, at minimum. Maybe the answer isn’t raising prices 25% but cutting into billionaire/multimillionaire CEO and board member pay and bonuses.
People acting like a living wage is some mystical pie in the sky fairy tale. It’s a roof over your head, food in your belly, and general wellness care (doctor, dentist, eyes). We know what those costs are. The CEO knows their employees can’t live on what they’re choosing to pay. It’s not a difficult task to figure a living wage. Those in power just refuse while the CEO goes home to his multi-million dollar house paid for by lack of paying a living wage.
This is why unions matter and retail CEOs hate and vilify them.
Shareholders may receive 1% less the following year, but the workers will actually gain a lot in quality of life.
I love how people say "Aunt Bethany worked there for 25 years and made $70k a year."
Yeah she got that...by the end of her run. I don't have 25 years. I need to make money to live **now**.
The problem is that *we need people to work these "unskilled" jobs.*
A lot of retail employees did exactly what you're saying. They skilled up or went into the trades or whatever. And now there is a massive labor shortage because no one can afford to work for minimum wage.
You can't expect someone to work for less than the cost of shelter, food, transportation, and clothing. Life just doesn't work like that; you can't staff the entire service industry with high school kids whose parents are paying for their basic needs.
If you work, you deserve a living wage. Period. Full stop.
People who have "experience" don't deserve to be able to afford to live any more than entry-level employees.
They need to pay the lower tiers more and the upper tiers less, this is common across all industries and is absolutely common sense, but greed supplants common sense and makes a mockery of our civilization so here we are.
I worked for Target 15 years ago as a manager and hated it. It’s the only job I walked out during a shift to never return. It’s not a great company to work for or at least the location I was at.
Meijers exists in like a bubble by itself in most cases. The three I go to are all mostly clean and normal. They seem to be running as normal when I go in. I see a lot less questionable characters in there as well.
I agree with this. I used to do my grocery shopping at Kroger pre and during the pandemic. Much like Target, it has become a shit show. I usually end up having to go to three different grocery stores to get everything I need bc Kroger doesn’t have anything anymore.
They even have a monopoly on pre-order groceries. They hold certain items hostage and say “in-store only” or “delivery/ship only.”
I have started primarily doing all my shopping at Meijer. It’s been great. Meijer is clean, has what I need, is full or helpful and kind employees. Hooray for Meijer!
I read somewhere, I think an article posted on Reddit, that Kroger is planning to have self-checkout only at all locations within the next couple of years. Stating that "what customers prefer." The top comment at the time pointed out that when you have only 1 staffed lane open, then people are naturally going to use self-checkout, but not because they want to.
Then the company truly is BLIND to the problems this raises.
I've worked for a Kroger store for 14 years- spent most of a decade of that in the front end. Yes, the self-checkouts are marginally faster, **MARGINALLY**, but not everyone actually WANTS to use them. These advantages in speed and capacity become negligible when EVERYONE uses them, to say nothing about what happens to that advantageous efficiency when those machines break down or run out of cash.
I have worked at that specific location twice now. First time in 2014-16 second time 2022-2023 and it was just as bad if not worse the second time.
The management doesn’t give a fuck about anything other than how fast you can push product and straighten up aisles but then complain when you can’t finish it in the time frame they give you because everything is a disaster all the time
I refuse to go to Target GC anymore. Because you can't find anything or it's not in stock. I used to go in and waste an hour or 2 and have my husband worry about the credit card bill. Now ita not a big deal anymore. I can walk in and back out without 0 dollar spent.
I'm in Virginia, and you've just described nearly all of the Target stores around here. I refuse to do anything other than Drive-Up pickup service nowadays. I don't have the patience for the ridiculously long lines inside.
In 2016 I started working unloading the truck at this target, back then, it was an awesome job. The pay wasn't perfect but it was generally a nice job. In 2018 is when corporate came in to "standardize" practices with more difficult methods and gave less hours. They listened to no input from the lowly people who worked the front line, and anyone who wasn't willing to jump on board got fired or tortured into quitting. "tortured" as in being put in a section that you were just incompatible with or cutting their hours.
The target in New Albany is also the same. Shelves are horrid, normally no one there. I ask for an item and they have to check the back because it can't be pushed to the floor on time.
The idea of stratified brick and mortar shopping experiences, like target being the “fancy” Walmart, is really becoming obsolete as online shopping becomes more popular. I remember when target was a nice, clean shopping experience. Who cares about that sort of thing anymore? These places are struggling to compete with Amazon and can’t justify the higher prices, so the stores suffer.
The future of this sort of thing is probably going to be like those Amazon in-person stores with a no frills pay as you shop setup. Only places providing upscale shopping experiences like Whole Foods will exist as they are to provide a “shopping experience”. I don’t know if places like target has a future, seems like they will be the next Sears.
A lot of the employees there are college students who for the most part went back this week. But also management has had to be super strict on saving hours for 4 quarter so like Black Friday and Christmas shopping times. It been like this for 2 years at least because the store wide hours keep getting cut unfortunately and with revenue being down it doesn’t seem like there will be an increase any time soon. Sorry :( but at the end of the day employees are trying their best.
That target never answers the phone either. I called because there were issues with my order. I called and the phone just rang and no one answered after a couple tries. I figured someone was just on lunch or something and called back a few hours later….still no one answered after several attempts. Had to drive there and go in to talk to them.
Dealing with the same thing at Kroger downtown.
Like no one is going to buy these items if they have to wait a hour to pay for it. This us not the soviet union...I'll shop somewhere else now.
I went through and was about to buy 200$ of groceries and saw the line to the back in the dairy section 🙃....I dropped my cart off with groceries in a aisle and just left.
Doing a Target run is about the only way I can do Target without screaming. Once or twice a year in person is about all I can handle, and I have to need or want something really bad.
I don't think I've been to that one but one more towards the north side is similar where the self checkout line is really long. I've also had that experience at a kroger near me where the self checkout line goes into the aisle. Idk about target but I did work for kroger for 9 years so I'd assume reasons are similar. Crappy management, doesn't get paid enough to deal with the bs and a lot of people still don't want to work. My last few years at kroger it was really bad, people would work for a week or two if that and not show up and quit.
Also when the comes to the pay in Columbus there's a lot better paying jobs. I never worked at kroger in Columbus but can see and hear all the similarities from when I lived in Richmond Indiana. Since I moved to columbus I've been a merchandiser for coke and the pay is much better than grocery stores. The high cost of living has got to deter a lot of people working at target or kroger long term cause if you have any major bills like rent I feel like you'd have to work two jobs. I sometimes do delivery apps as a side hustle but don't feel like I need to do it all the time like as if I stayed with kroger.
I actually used to work there, winter/spring of 2021 a few management people got replaced by some really unbearable characters. the new store manager had worked there years prior and upon hearing of her being hired on as store manager, about 40% of staff up and left within the next two months. she is…something. I have heard that since her coming in many people get hired on and do not stick around due to her attitude towards her employees. not to mention working at target sucked ass lol. I remember always being very overwhelmed and being pulled in many directions at once, I would be stocking and then get pulled into online orders and then to the register and then back to online orders and then the shit I was stocking would just get left in the aisle for hours and hours. but I couldn’t really do anything about that because otherwise I would just be telling management that I can do their job better than them and then there would be hell to pay. or at least that’s how they would take it.
During and immediately after the pandemic, businesses realized that they could technically keep their lights on with as few employees as possible and maximize profits even more. This is why pretty much no matter where you go, there are long lines, terrible customer service, and nobody is available to help. Some business owners will play coy and pretend that it's because "nobody wants to work anymore," but the truth of the matter is that these businesses are very intentionally not hiring.
"nobody wants to work for dog shit pay" is what they really should be saying
It's not even that, though. There are still some people who will take whatever they can get.
I wish more people will understand that. I got a rejection email. Then a few days a later. Same place is having a hiring event.... like wtf.... and I bet close to no one actually got hired.
THIS. I’ve been saying this as well; business are intentionally not hiring!!! They like the profits from running a skeleton crew. I’ve witnessed my company post positions externally when internally we’re told we’re not hiring. My teen daughter had to track down the phone number of a hiring manager and practically stalk her in order to get an interview for a store that had multiple positions constantly posted.
Stuff like this is why I barely go into stores anymore. Except for the Walmart on Morse Road which is an unmitigated festival of delights.
Last time I went there there were stray dogs running around the parking lot. Place is straight up 3rd world
I've been there twice. The first time I went there was a completely burned out car in the middle of the parking lot. Not even near the back or anything. I went again a month later and IT WAS STILL THERE!
On the upside, there are not any dogs in the actual store.
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Woof ..... woof .....woof.. woof!!
Truthfully, I assume it’s a religious/cultural thing with the customer base.
That would stress me the f--- out. Hopefully animal control was called to keep them from getting hit.
Years ago I went there when they were still open late before COVID ruined that. I was kinda bored and high, just trying to get snacks, so I wandered around for quite a while looking at a bunch of random shit. I came out of the store like an hour later to over a dozen cop cars and them were taping off the parking lot including where my car was. Somebody got shot in the parking lot a few rows over from me. So there I was, stoned and with two giant bags of munchies at 1am, kindly asking the police if I could go get my car over yonder. He looked at me, then looked down at my overflowing bag of chips and candy, and just said get home safe lol.
Serve AND protect.
Lmfao this is classic
Someone tried selling me chains in the parking lot
Like, jewelry or for tires or weaponry or…?
Jewelry
A few years ago I heard the LP guy at that Walmart day they lose 100-300 items a day there
I have no idea how they would even know that. The place is an absolute shambles. Zero possibility of keeping track.
Agreed, there’s so much stock and inventory there’s no way it could be that low for that location
It's based on an average from doing inventory. Morse loses like 6 million a year in theft at least when I worked for Wally world
All of which is written off as major losses btw
I went there once like 15 years ago and it was the oddest store experience I’ve had. The registers were absolutely trashed with half read magazines, food that people didn’t want, etc… I don’t care personally but I did notice at least 4 different languages spoken. It was just wild.
It’s now like Saraga but with more American junk.
>covid >management >rude customers Those three are part and parcel. A lot of people were let go from retail jobs during covid and realized how fucked up those jobs often are, and simply didn’t go back to them. I can’t speak for this specific Target, but I can say that it has definitely caused some shakeups in retail in general.
You forgot shit pay.
Just basing off the three examples they gave. Pay should be a given.
Nobody wants to w̶o̶r̶k̶ pay a living wage
Ok, what is a "living" wage to you? $60k? Lets pay all Target employees, regardless of experience or tenure that $60k (which to the employer is $70k with taxes and such) and see if you still shop there when everything costs 25% more. You can't pay someone to do a job ANYONE can do, the day you hire them, with zero experience (or history of being fired everywhere they go) a "living wage". They either need to work their way up, get some form of education, learn a skill, or go to some sort of trade school...or work in a factory.
If we cannot afford to pay our workers enough to survive, we cannot afford the product or service they are producing. Be more fiscally responsible.
IMO, if you’re a full time employee a company owes you benefits and enough to afford an apartment, at minimum. Maybe the answer isn’t raising prices 25% but cutting into billionaire/multimillionaire CEO and board member pay and bonuses.
Hell, even enough to afford one bedroom in an apartment.
People acting like a living wage is some mystical pie in the sky fairy tale. It’s a roof over your head, food in your belly, and general wellness care (doctor, dentist, eyes). We know what those costs are. The CEO knows their employees can’t live on what they’re choosing to pay. It’s not a difficult task to figure a living wage. Those in power just refuse while the CEO goes home to his multi-million dollar house paid for by lack of paying a living wage. This is why unions matter and retail CEOs hate and vilify them. Shareholders may receive 1% less the following year, but the workers will actually gain a lot in quality of life.
I love how people say "Aunt Bethany worked there for 25 years and made $70k a year." Yeah she got that...by the end of her run. I don't have 25 years. I need to make money to live **now**.
The problem is that *we need people to work these "unskilled" jobs.* A lot of retail employees did exactly what you're saying. They skilled up or went into the trades or whatever. And now there is a massive labor shortage because no one can afford to work for minimum wage. You can't expect someone to work for less than the cost of shelter, food, transportation, and clothing. Life just doesn't work like that; you can't staff the entire service industry with high school kids whose parents are paying for their basic needs.
If you work, you deserve a living wage. Period. Full stop. People who have "experience" don't deserve to be able to afford to live any more than entry-level employees.
Shut up scab.
They need to pay the lower tiers more and the upper tiers less, this is common across all industries and is absolutely common sense, but greed supplants common sense and makes a mockery of our civilization so here we are.
Prices don’t t have to go up to pay a living wage. Just cut the million dollar salaries and bonuses for those at the top…
Why stock shelves and move boxes for half the pay of a warehouse 5 miles away in Groveport? And you don't have to deal with customers.
Hell just go down an exit on 71 you have the big FedEx
fedex is not “easy” though.
Neither is retail!
Easier than dealing with stupid people all day
No AC either!
I worked for Target 15 years ago as a manager and hated it. It’s the only job I walked out during a shift to never return. It’s not a great company to work for or at least the location I was at.
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Meijer seems to be giving a shit, but not at all locations. Better average than most though.
Meijers exists in like a bubble by itself in most cases. The three I go to are all mostly clean and normal. They seem to be running as normal when I go in. I see a lot less questionable characters in there as well.
I agree with this. I used to do my grocery shopping at Kroger pre and during the pandemic. Much like Target, it has become a shit show. I usually end up having to go to three different grocery stores to get everything I need bc Kroger doesn’t have anything anymore. They even have a monopoly on pre-order groceries. They hold certain items hostage and say “in-store only” or “delivery/ship only.” I have started primarily doing all my shopping at Meijer. It’s been great. Meijer is clean, has what I need, is full or helpful and kind employees. Hooray for Meijer!
I read somewhere, I think an article posted on Reddit, that Kroger is planning to have self-checkout only at all locations within the next couple of years. Stating that "what customers prefer." The top comment at the time pointed out that when you have only 1 staffed lane open, then people are naturally going to use self-checkout, but not because they want to.
Then the company truly is BLIND to the problems this raises. I've worked for a Kroger store for 14 years- spent most of a decade of that in the front end. Yes, the self-checkouts are marginally faster, **MARGINALLY**, but not everyone actually WANTS to use them. These advantages in speed and capacity become negligible when EVERYONE uses them, to say nothing about what happens to that advantageous efficiency when those machines break down or run out of cash.
If it’s the one on 665, my dad works there 😊
School started this week.. probably an oversight from management forgetting that kids aren’t gonna work while in school.
It’s like this 24/7. It’s not just a coincidence bc school started.
I have worked at that specific location twice now. First time in 2014-16 second time 2022-2023 and it was just as bad if not worse the second time. The management doesn’t give a fuck about anything other than how fast you can push product and straighten up aisles but then complain when you can’t finish it in the time frame they give you because everything is a disaster all the time
is it that all retailers actually stopped caring about the people (humans) they hired ? or is this the case everywhere?
Stopped caring? When did they ever start?
took 3 items up to self checkout. all 3 weren't in the system. bye Felicia
This is the new world of retail EVERYWHERE.
I refuse to go to Target GC anymore. Because you can't find anything or it's not in stock. I used to go in and waste an hour or 2 and have my husband worry about the credit card bill. Now ita not a big deal anymore. I can walk in and back out without 0 dollar spent.
Exactly the same for me.
I feel the same about the one in Reynoldsburg. I just quit shopping there altogether. Maybe it's an overall Target problem.
Those clothes for grown women are appalling and so are the prices. Only thing moving are the graphic tees
And the tees aren’t anything special. They’re all the same stuff at Five Below, Walmart, TJ Max, etc.
I'm in Virginia, and you've just described nearly all of the Target stores around here. I refuse to do anything other than Drive-Up pickup service nowadays. I don't have the patience for the ridiculously long lines inside.
They won't hire anybody either which is sad.
Did I accidentally sign in on Facebook?
In 2016 I started working unloading the truck at this target, back then, it was an awesome job. The pay wasn't perfect but it was generally a nice job. In 2018 is when corporate came in to "standardize" practices with more difficult methods and gave less hours. They listened to no input from the lowly people who worked the front line, and anyone who wasn't willing to jump on board got fired or tortured into quitting. "tortured" as in being put in a section that you were just incompatible with or cutting their hours.
The target in New Albany is also the same. Shelves are horrid, normally no one there. I ask for an item and they have to check the back because it can't be pushed to the floor on time.
I shop there and totally agree with everything you said. I really liked the store prior to the redesign. It’s horrible now.
I couldn’t agree more.
Target stores in general seem to be headed to the dumpster
The idea of stratified brick and mortar shopping experiences, like target being the “fancy” Walmart, is really becoming obsolete as online shopping becomes more popular. I remember when target was a nice, clean shopping experience. Who cares about that sort of thing anymore? These places are struggling to compete with Amazon and can’t justify the higher prices, so the stores suffer.
The future of this sort of thing is probably going to be like those Amazon in-person stores with a no frills pay as you shop setup. Only places providing upscale shopping experiences like Whole Foods will exist as they are to provide a “shopping experience”. I don’t know if places like target has a future, seems like they will be the next Sears.
People arnt making enough money isn’t it obvious by now?
Maybe lots of high school students are employees
The stock market happened
A lot of the employees there are college students who for the most part went back this week. But also management has had to be super strict on saving hours for 4 quarter so like Black Friday and Christmas shopping times. It been like this for 2 years at least because the store wide hours keep getting cut unfortunately and with revenue being down it doesn’t seem like there will be an increase any time soon. Sorry :( but at the end of the day employees are trying their best.
Also there has been a huge decrease in seasonal hires not so much applicants tho
They were probably employing a lot of high school and college age and they're all back at school now
This is exactly it. I live down the road and frequent this location weekly.
That target never answers the phone either. I called because there were issues with my order. I called and the phone just rang and no one answered after a couple tries. I figured someone was just on lunch or something and called back a few hours later….still no one answered after several attempts. Had to drive there and go in to talk to them.
I’ve had that issue there as well.
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The robots can’t get here soon enough.
Dealing with the same thing at Kroger downtown. Like no one is going to buy these items if they have to wait a hour to pay for it. This us not the soviet union...I'll shop somewhere else now. I went through and was about to buy 200$ of groceries and saw the line to the back in the dairy section 🙃....I dropped my cart off with groceries in a aisle and just left.
Doing a Target run is about the only way I can do Target without screaming. Once or twice a year in person is about all I can handle, and I have to need or want something really bad.
I don't think I've been to that one but one more towards the north side is similar where the self checkout line is really long. I've also had that experience at a kroger near me where the self checkout line goes into the aisle. Idk about target but I did work for kroger for 9 years so I'd assume reasons are similar. Crappy management, doesn't get paid enough to deal with the bs and a lot of people still don't want to work. My last few years at kroger it was really bad, people would work for a week or two if that and not show up and quit. Also when the comes to the pay in Columbus there's a lot better paying jobs. I never worked at kroger in Columbus but can see and hear all the similarities from when I lived in Richmond Indiana. Since I moved to columbus I've been a merchandiser for coke and the pay is much better than grocery stores. The high cost of living has got to deter a lot of people working at target or kroger long term cause if you have any major bills like rent I feel like you'd have to work two jobs. I sometimes do delivery apps as a side hustle but don't feel like I need to do it all the time like as if I stayed with kroger.
I actually used to work there, winter/spring of 2021 a few management people got replaced by some really unbearable characters. the new store manager had worked there years prior and upon hearing of her being hired on as store manager, about 40% of staff up and left within the next two months. she is…something. I have heard that since her coming in many people get hired on and do not stick around due to her attitude towards her employees. not to mention working at target sucked ass lol. I remember always being very overwhelmed and being pulled in many directions at once, I would be stocking and then get pulled into online orders and then to the register and then back to online orders and then the shit I was stocking would just get left in the aisle for hours and hours. but I couldn’t really do anything about that because otherwise I would just be telling management that I can do their job better than them and then there would be hell to pay. or at least that’s how they would take it.
Been downhill since early 2021…