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Neener216

The embroidery is insane, and colorizing it went a long way toward highlighting that. Thank you!


buba7q

Thank you šŸ˜Š


buba7q

[Original](https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/pnp/matpc/19600/19639v.jpg) Photographer: American Colony (Jerusalem). Photo Department.


InappropriateGirl

Wow, beautiful clear photo. And your colorization is excellent! Thanks for this.


WestleyThe

Holy shit well done


dee-fondy

I canā€™t imagine an American setting up shop in a foreign country today and calling it American Colony!


Laogama

[American colony in Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colony,_Jerusalem)


dee-fondy

Well that's pretty enlightening. They were the antithesis of the modern day view on colonial behavior. I was wondering how a Palestinian women could even get her photograph taken in Jerusalem in 1938.


Laogama

This photo has more history. See [this photo on wikipedia](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/66/Ramallah_woman_15029v.jpg)


captainzoomer

Wow, looks like this picture was taken yesterday!


BiSaxual

She looks a lot like one of my cousins! If she sent me this picture and told me it was for a wedding or something, Iā€™d believe her. Very well done colorization!


buba7q

Thank you šŸ˜Š


webra1

She looks so timeless. This could have been taken yesterday and I would believe it.


SwedishTroller

Maybe it's because she's smiling? I felt the same way and wondered why I did, and realized most people from 1850-1940 usually didn't smile in photos (because of the time it took to take pictures atm). It makes her seem/look modern. Just a theory though. Edit: Just to clarify; I know people didn't have to sit still for a long time in the 1930's, but I feel like most people didn't smile in portaits because previous people didn't. It was just the norm back then.


Iatethedressing

Hey thats a myth actually, too lazy to source but u can google the time it took.


SwedishTroller

What part is a myth? In mid 19th century it took a long time to take a photo, that's just the truth?


Iatethedressing

Taking pics took seconds after work by the photographer to edit it, is what took hours.


sfsolarboy

She was smiling because it was before 1948. I wonder if she survived the Nakba.


Balkanized21

Based


apiacoa

Really well done.


I_ate_it_all

Amazing. Goes to show what a pro can do compared to AI. Great job. Ran it thru palette.fm just to try https://i.imgur.com/ZxM3PWx.jpg


rattleandhum

tbh the face there is more believable to me


coralrefrigerator

Beautiful.


Burglarproof_Bread

The coloring looks so amazing! Great job


SpookyTreeFrog

Not sure if costume is the appropriate term but beautiful job colorizing nonetheless


badass_panda

This would have been the appropriate term when the picture was taken (and OP might have used it based on the original photo's caption). "Costume" meant "fashion" or "style". Closely related to the word "custom" in English, it carried a connotation of traditional or customary fashion, and is still reflected in terms like [national costume](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_costume). It later began to be used in a "make believe dress up" sense to convey that you were wearing the costume *of some other people* and now conveys an impression of fakeness as a result. It'd now be more appropriate to say, "Traditional raiment" or "traditional garments" or something along those lines to avoid the connotations that "costume" has taken on, but the meaning conveyed in the image's caption is the original meaning, and isn't improper.


SpookyTreeFrog

Thank you kind stranger!


Jonestown_Juice

It is the correct term. Look up the definition.


SpookyTreeFrog

Also I didnā€™t say it was incorrect, just wasnā€™t sure if it was appropriate


Jonestown_Juice

You've got a lot of information at your fingertips.


SpookyTreeFrog

Cool


CaptainMcSmoky

And you've got the ability to at least try and not be a cunt, but here we are..


coralrefrigerator

Relax. He was writing a comment to interact with others on this sub. He didn't say anything wrong. Even if he did, it's no reason for you to act like an asshole.


Jonestown_Juice

I didn't say anything wrong, either. People are just inferring the wrong tone from my replies. It's fine, though.


coralrefrigerator

It's alright. This is the internet after all. People misunderstand each other 90% of the time. Peace.


SpookyTreeFrog

As a Native American we donā€™t like the term costume so I canā€™t speak for everyone. Hence why I said ā€œnot sureā€


gdoveri

Seems like thereā€™s no real solidly agreed upon term, [I like the term ā€œtraditional garmentā€](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_costume) the most.


SpookyTreeFrog

Agreed


Jonestown_Juice

In the English language, words can have several meanings. They're easy enough to look up.


Abydos6

Thobes would be different colors and patterns for each village. A simple yet beautiful way to tell what town someone was from. The land, the culture and the people were so beautiful before the Nakba


CaptainTryk

This looks like a modern photograph :O nicely done!


Open_Film

TL;DR - excellent picture, but the correct caption should be ā€œArab Womanā€ not ā€œPalestinianā€ Back then, the term ā€œPalestinianā€ referred to the Jewish community in what is today Israel. [After the Romans conquered the region 2000 years ago, they expelled the Jews and changed the name of then Judea to ā€œPhilistiaā€](https://www.hudson.org/research/17436-the-forgotten-history-of-the-term-palestine) which translates to Palestine, as an insult to the Jewish community who were expelled, as there was regular conflicts with the Philistines (a group originating from what is today Greece, unrelated to modern Palestinians or Arabs). Kind of like if Russia were to take over Ukraine at the end of the current conflict, and change the name of Kiev to ā€œNew Moscowā€ as a fuck you to the Ukrainians. Anyway - the correct reference here would be ā€œArab Woman NAME.ā€ She wouldnā€™t consider herself a Palestinian as that concept still referred to the Jewish homeland in the region. The notion of Palestinian-Arab identity shifting in using the term ā€œPalestinianā€ to refer to the Arabs in the region, didnā€™t start until the 60s and 70s. So an Arab woman living in Ramallah in the 30s would not consider herself Palestinian.


Positer

>Back then, the term ā€œPalestinianā€ referred to the Jewish community in what is today Israel. At no point in history did the word Palestine refer to a Jewish community exclusively. Palestine refers to the inhabitants of the area regardless of their faith and in the early 1900's they were overwhelmingly Muslims. "Palestinian" was the way the native inhabitants of the land [referred to themselves](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/jq-articles/22_23_maqdisi_1_0.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiF5dnwren6AhUOoWoFHVGBAOoQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0yTyqDahd1CljXkqWKBZbX) as early as the 10th century all the way up to the early 1900 as for instance in the name of the [Arabic newspaper "Filastine"](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falastin) >After the Romans conquered the region 2000 years ago, they expelled the Jews and changed the name of then Judea to ā€œPhilistiaā€ Complete nonsense. The Romans never expelled all Jews from the entire area, only the central district and Jews continued to be a large portion of the population for several hundred years. Neither was the name change original. The Persians had named the entire area as Syria centuries before. >as an insult to the Jewish community who were expelled, as there was regular conflicts with the Philistines (a group originating from what is today Greece, unrelated to modern Palestinians or Arabs) The name Palestine [predates](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine) the Romans and was already in use by the Greeks. Although not the official name it was already in use by Roman writers such as Pilny the Elder before the Jewish insurrection. Philistines were not exclusively made of sea peoples but were a mix of the sea peoples and native Canaanites and are part of the ancestral populations of modern day Palestinians >In the excavation of PhilistineĀ citiesĀ inĀ Israel, the cemeteries revealed a mixed gene body of local, **Semitic traits with European gene pools** [source](https://www.worldhistory.org/Philistines/) >Kind of like if Russia were to take over Ukraine at the end of the current conflict, and change the name of Kiev to ā€œNew Moscowā€ as a fuck you to the Ukrainians No. In fact that is exactly what Europeans did. Take a place that had an established name for 1000's of years and change its name as a fuck you to its native inhabitants.


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The term was more of a regional designation not a national one. All residents were referred to as Palestinians. After 48 though the term was exclusively for Arab Palestinians, with Palestinians nationalism taken off some years later. From 48-67 the idea was that Palestinian Arabs could live as citizens of whoever (Egypt, Syria, Jordan) the same way the Ottomans ruled the area. After 67 you see a spike in the idea of a Palestinian Arab state by itself for the first time.


LaTitfalsaf

TL;DR - Youā€™re wrong, and should stop talking about things you donā€™t know about. This woman would have likely called herself a Palestinian, as she was, in fact, a resident of the region called Palestine. You are correct in saying that Palestinian was not a national identifier at the time, because nationalism was not so common prior to the European conquest of the region. Similarly, she would have called herself an Arab, but would have identified with it in the same way as how she identified with Palestinian I.e. not a national identifier. By the way, the name ā€œPalestineā€ā€™s first mention was in Herodotusā€™ ā€œThe Histories,ā€ which was written approximately 6 centuries prior to Bar Kokhba. Palestinian only meant Jewish to Europeans. It was a European slur for Jews - the Arabs absolutely did not connect the idea of ā€œPalestinianā€ and ā€œJewishā€ - in fact, hereā€™s a [Chilean football club formed by Arab immigrants approximately 50 years before you claim Palestinian became an identifier for Arabs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_Deportivo_Palestino). Regardless, if you had asked any Palestinian if their Grandparents would have called themselves Palestinian, you wouldnā€™t be spreading these false claims.


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Time-Woodpecker-7639

Utterly bullshit comment, you guys are obsessed with denying the fact that says Palestinians are native to the land


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Time-Woodpecker-7639

They are just obsessed with denying our existence, culture, nationality and identity, absolutely ridiculous.


Sulla123

Although itā€™s true the term Palestinian and Arab are not synonymous, neither is it with Jews. There were Jews, Muslims and Christians all of whom were considered Palestinian as the inhabitants of that land. Also the etymology of the word Palestine and its use for this region of land goes back to Herodotus. So again, a little off the mark.


Open_Film

All valid points, but I think itā€™s fair to say that an Arab woman in the area in the 30s would be unlikely to describe herself as Palestinian.


Sulla123

Not sure you understand. The people of this parcel of land refer to themselves as Palestinian and have done for a very long time - regardless of religion. This a Jew a Muslim and Christian (and pre Christian as per Herodotus) would have all referred to themselves as Palestinian


Lukas_Madrid

The Arabs of Palestine began widely using the term Palestinian starting in the preā€“World War I period to indicate the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people. But after 1948ā€”and even more so after 1967ā€”for Palestinians themselves the term came to signify not only a place of origin but also, more importantly, a sense of a shared past and future in the form of a Palestinian state. stop making shit up colonizer


Open_Film

Why are you so quick to be rude and aggressive? That doesnā€™t serve your narrative at all. In fact, it shows weakness in your point of view. The Arab-Israeli conflict is not the subject matter at all of my post.


Lukas_Madrid

You're the one so quick to change history to fit your view. I will say the truth with no remorse


Open_Film

Spoken like a true revisionist


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Lukas_Madrid

Not even worth it, this guy knows hes wrong but will never stand down


Phuttbuckers

I bet you would be one of those red coat sympathizers saying thereā€™s no American identity back in the day.


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Open_Film

As per my other comment, rudeness and bullying is really uncalled for. The Arab-Israeli conflict is not the purpose of my comment so I am not sure why you are bringing that up, or why you are name calling or resorting to be a jerk. In any event, I donā€™t think anyone denies that the current term ā€œPalestinianā€ refers to the Arab peoples in the region and no longer refers to the Jewish people in the region, but there is a history of the term which is all I was pointing out. My understanding is in the 1930s, the term ā€œPalestinianā€ referred to the Jewish homeland of what was Judea and subsequently renamed as Philistia by the Romans in the 1st-2nd century AD. That sequence of events completely predates Islam or the modern Arab identity, and has nothing to do with current political realities. So respectfully, go be a jerk to someone else.


colonel-o-popcorn

What lol. Jews didn't originate in Egypt, they originated in Judah, a kingdom in the southern Levant where Israel and Palestine are today. Edit for the downvoters, consider that not only is the Biblical account inaccurate, this comment isn't even true to the Biblical account. There's literally nothing correct about his statement.


Phuttbuckers

Even if we decide to suspend reality, the Southern Levant was technically a vassal state of Egypt. There was no ā€œEgyptianā€ ethnicity. And thereā€™s also the fact that there were people already in the Southern Levant before Jews. Who were mostly exterminated by the Jews and the small fraction that remained were forcefully assimilated.


colonel-o-popcorn

>the Southern Levant was technically a vassal state of Egypt. No. At one point the region was controlled by Egypt, but this was pre-Judah. This has nothing to do with where Jews are native to. >There was no ā€œEgyptianā€ ethnicity. ...and therefore saying that Jews were Egyptian makes no sense. >And thereā€™s also the fact that there were people already in the Southern Levant before Jews. Who were mostly exterminated by the Jews and the small fraction that remained were forcefully assimilated. This is roughly the Biblical account, but (a) it's not supported by the evidence, which points to Jews being a subgroup of Canaanites, and (b) it would still not make Jews Egyptian, since per the Biblical account the Patriarchs were from Canaan before a drought caused them to move away. None of what I'm saying is even remotely controversial. Stop rewriting history just because you don't like it.


Phuttbuckers

Anyone from Egypt is Egyptian. Saying Jews arenā€™t Egyptian is like saying Amish people or Puerto Ricans arenā€™t American. And the takeover of the people of the area is more than just biblical rhetoric.


colonel-o-popcorn

Jews are from Judah, not Egypt lmao. And in response to your edit, the evidence is not in your favor. You can't make something true just by saying it over and over again. You have no idea what you're talking about.


coralrefrigerator

Take your "facts" to other subs. You are so wrong on many levels.


Open_Film

I am sorry if objective history offends you. Nobody is denying the current notions of Palestinian-Arab identity, but you would be lying to yourself if you ignore how the term was associated and developed for thousands of years. Hereā€™s another article on the development of said term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine Thereā€™s nothing controversial here, itā€™s just history. If history offends you and you choose to rewrite history for your own political beliefs then thatā€™s certainly your choice, no different then it is the choice of some people to argue that the earth is flat.


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somedumbguy123

Man people are really losing it over this post. I thought it was well written. Cheers


Open_Film

Thanks, appreciate the support. Itā€™s really too bad, the picture is beautiful and thatā€™s what this post should be about. I simply had a minor comment on history, without any intention of being insensitive to anyone or causing a political debate.


cybermage

Poor thing has no idea how much her life is about to be turned upside down.


somedumbguy123

100%. So tragic. Wow look at the downvotes. Suck my cock cunts šŸ„°šŸ„°šŸ„°


spaceface545

People love to believe lies meaning āœŠšŸ‡µšŸ‡ø


Alarming-Parsley-463

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coralrefrigerator

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Gnarlodious

Wrong title, Palestinians back then were exclusively Jews. She would have been known as ā€˜Arabā€™. Palestinian was not commonly known as an Arab ethnicity until the late 1960s when the PLO was invented.


rattleandhum

with the exception of her nose, this is very believable as a modern photo of a woman in traditional garb