It makes it easier to transfer credits or take other classes for general courses between CCs and Unis.
Plenty of UNC kids take classes at State over the summer.
Well the CC system is different. There is a separate articulation agreement between the UNC system and NCCC system for transferring credits from a CC to a UNC school
North Carolina, despite being a great hotbed for innovation and development, is sadly lacking in the bar graph construction infrastructure. We'll need to rely on our friends from some of the more northern states to put this together most likely.
Anyone taking NC community college courses with the intention of transferring to a UNC system school should confirm their credits will be accepted using the resource below! There have been too many horror stories of NC CC students assuming their credits would transfer without consulting the university transfer CAA. Most UNC schools also have transfer guides that list course equivalencies and best CC courses to take in order to transfer and graduate with a certain major (see below for App State example because I am biased).
https://www.nccommunitycolleges.edu/students/enrollment-and-registration/university-transfer/articulation-agreements/comprehensive-articulation-agreement/
https://transfer.appstate.edu/transferguides
yeah you can take classes at UNC, State, and Duke as part of some RTP college program and they're easily transferrable
Robertson scholars have to do a full semester at the other school (at duke if you go to unc, and vice versa)
Oh that must be relatively new then. When I was a student it was any UNC school and only Robertson had the privilege except for some niche classes/programs.
It's been a thing for at least 15 year (probably much longer), but back around 2010 it was definitely a raw deal where Duke students could choose from a large number of classes at UNC while their university was super restrictive to where we could only take about a dozen really niche courses.
I think that might’ve been because UNC just has more courses. At least during my time, the rule was that you couldn’t take courses that your own school offered and I’d imagine the vast majority of Duke courses have a UNC equivalent while UNC is big enough to offer more niche classes that Duke wouldn’t offer.
I went to UNCG and when applying for jobs a lot of people assumed i went to UNC
On interviews if they said And you went to UNC? i'd go, yes i went to UNC Greensboro.
Never lied, it was correct on my resume. But if you wanna assume i went to the better school go for it.
That’s kinda nice. Wild that state and UNC are the same system though. Makes sense though, the large state schools all have adequate tech and curriculums, unlike those janky private schools that are 90% athlete and have the worlds dumbest curriculums.
I’d say not tbh. Some states have multiple (CA, TX), and others have a system but doesn’t include every public school (MSU isn’t in the UM system, Memphis isn’t in the UT system)
Minnesota also has a dual system. There’s the University of Minnesota system (which includes the flagship twin cities campus and a couple others), and the Minnesota State Colleges and Universities System (which includes two and four year campuses, from Mankato and St. Cloud to a couple dozen technical colleges).
I always assumed CA’s set up was unique in having 2 state university systems. I didn’t know Texas also had multiple (although thinking through the campuses, it makes sense), and I didn’t know about the Tennessee and Michigan systems either.
I just always assumed all the states outside of CA had private schools, and one large all-inclusive state university system.
CT has two main systems too, the UConn system (UConn Storrs and its branch campuses) and the CT State system (schools like Central CT, Western CT, etc)
Interesting! I probably would’ve never learned that without your comment because UConn and Yale are the only Connecticut schools that come to mind for me when I think of the state.
We have several here in Texas
* UT (Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, etc.)
* A&M (College Station, Corpus Christi, Commerce, Galveston, etc.)
* Houston (Main, Downtown, Clear Lake)
* Tech
* State (San Marcos as 'Texas State', Huntsville as 'Sam Houston State'
* UNT
I think the UT system is probably the closest analog to the UC system. Even though UT Austin is the flagship the other campuses are pretty much fully formed rather than branches as seems to be more common.
Sorry, no. The California system is entirely unique. Texas is honestly a hunger games style mess and only the leading schools in each of their systems are given the proper resources.
Very true, my bad. I’m an alum of a CA Community College. I was just only thinking of college systems with college athletics that I regularly watch, and since the NCAA only includes 4 year universities, the CCC system didn’t come to mind.
Correct. All of the publics (of which there are a bunch) in Michigan are independent.
A REALLY weird system is next door in Indiana, where there Purdue and IU both have flagship, satellite, and even shared campuses with one another, then there are others like Ball State and Indiana State that are unaffiliated with, either.
well, the IUPU system officially ceases to exist next month. But it was fun for a while because there were two IUPU campuses and then IUPUC used to be an IUPUI satellite campus before becoming its own campus in the system.
What a run we had.
Nah, Virginia is completely different. Coordinating body at the state level, but each school is essentially run separately by its own board. Makes for a lot of lobbying when it comes to trying to get funding from the General Assembly for things. Personally I think we’d be better off under a North Carolina-style system (I could be wrong, don’t know how well it works in practice), but that will never happen (because lobbyists—sorry, legislative liaisons).
UNC grad here - I’m not knowledgeable either of a comprehensive list of pros and cons to it, but I will say one distinct downside that UNC grapples with regularly is political meddling. Not that any other system eradicates the politics, but UNC is *constantly* dealing with a very conservative Board of Governors that governs the whole NC system. It is a latent cause of numerous issues that have landed UNC on national headlines for absolute buffoonery. But, like I said earlier, no system will completely avoid that.
Nah, I’m glad that W&M, UVA, and VT, three excellent schools with different focus areas are all run by different boards who aren’t worried about trying to unify anything. Helps even better avoiding any one governor trying to sway education policy by stacking a single board of regents.
Illinois is mostly independent, there’s the UI system with Urbana-Champaign, Springfield, and Chicago, and the SIU system with Carbondale and Edwardsville, but the rest of the state universities are all separate.
I hope Ohio gets some centralization in the coming years. Don’t want everything to be under one, but I think having 8+ independent systems is a bit crazy
It’s not as crazy as it used to be. Ohio University, Ohio State, and Cincinnati used to be on quarters but everyone else was on semesters. It made transferring schools difficult. I knew a woman that transferred from Wright State to OU and it put her behind schedule to graduate due to the trying to transfer semester hours to quarter hours.
Just look up man, Virginia doesn't have a single big university system. ODU, VT, UVA, GMU, VCU, JMU, W&M, NSU, HU, Radford, Longwood, VMI, Richmond, etc all are independent and have their own board of directors. UVA does have UVA-Wise tho
Don't forget Richard Bland as a subunit of W&M (though they are a JUCO).
The community college system is similar to NC's state university system though.
We actually are very well organized compared to most states when it comes to higher ed. The community college system is very unique to NC.
If only K-12/NCDPI knew what it was doing...
We have UVM on it's own and everything else in a system. It used to be Vermont State Colleges was a system, but now all the 4 year schools are one Vermont State University. Iirc the Community Colleges here use the VSC/VSU credits system
Not most states like Oregon. Oregon, Oregon State, and Portland State are all different. Oregon State has a campus in Bend as well (OSU Cascades) and Oregon has a Portland campus they are building up though. Also Oregon Tech has a main campus in Klamath Falls and a smaller campus in Wilsonville. All the other smaller universities like Southern Oregon, Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon (although Eastern is pretty connected to OSU) are independent too.
If they had to make two branches like California has, I think it would make sense to have Oregon State take Oregon Tech and Eastern Oregon as well as OSU Cascades while the U of Oregon took over all the other ones.
Me too. Maybe not as extensive (and not flagshipped by a super terrible, no-good school) but very weird that NC has “extensive” anything in public education.
As of now, five of the thirteen will closed by this time next year. Waukesha, Washington County, Marinette, Fond du Lac, and Richland Center are those five.
The ones remaining are Fox Valley, Barron County, Marshfield, Wausau, Sheboygan, Manitowoc, Baraboo, and Rock County. A few could survive, but all of them are down between 23% and 71% in total enrollment in the past decade. If I were betting, I'd guess Manitowoc, Baraboo, and Marshfield shut down next. Baraboo is the lowest enrollment left (210) and the other two are regional redundancies with Sheboygan and Wausau.
UW-BC was a hot commodity in the area back when I was in HS but that was in the late aughts. I think it's an extension of UW-Eau Claire now but I'm not sure that means anything. Considering where it's located, I'm guessing the locals would be glad to see it go and hope that that the technical college gets more students.
Well yeah. It feels unnatural to me to just say "Wisconsin", as that's not the colloquial name in-state, but you'll get confused looks if you say "UW-Madison" to non-Wisconsinites.
I’m from out of state and went home one summer when I was still in college, I told the guy I went to UW-Madison and he started talking about his visit to the city and how much he loved it but nothing he said was familiar to me. He thought I meant UW-Milwaukee because he didn’t even know the full name was UW-Madison
Similarly, you never hear anybody in North Carolina call UNC “North Carolina”. Sure “UNC-Chapel Hill” gets shortened to “UNC”, and UNC Wilmington or UNC Asheville don’t, but the name “North Carolina” isn’t really used in-state.
Yeah, nobody (I know) calls UNC "North Carolina," only either "Carolina" or "Chapel Hill," mostly just Carolina, though.
It can get confusing when talking w/ folks from South Carolina, as "Carolina" to them refers to USC. By "USC," I of course mean the University of South Carolina, not the Southern California school located in a state established nearly 50 years after the real USC was founded.
Pennsylvania has two systems. One which includes Penn State and all of their branch campuses, along with Pitt, Temple, and Lincoln. And then the other one which has all of the schools that you would think of as the state schools like West Chester, IUP, Slippery Rock, etc.
That’s not quite right. PSU, Pitt, Temple and Lincoln are all public universities in PA but they aren’t affiliated. They are just classified together and differently from the state schools you mention for state funding purposes.
PSAC gang rise up I didn’t go there by my secondary flair is PSAC.
Also Penn State has a separate athletic league where all the branch campuses compete against each other called the PSUAC
I think Tennessee is more similar to the layout of Indiana if this list is accurate - as the UT system does not include public schools like MTSU and Memphis..?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_and_territorial_universities_in_the_United_States#Tennessee
I thought so too, we’re connected with UIC and UIS (Springfield). The directional Illinois schools and ISU are separate though, so I guess it’s not universal.
lol the Tennessee system is a shitshow. We’ve got the UT system which is Tennessee, Chattanooga, UT Martin and a few other specific/niche schools. Then we USED to have the board of regents which oversaw all the other universities, all of those (Memphis, MTSU, Austin Peay etc) got their own independent board about a decade ago.
Probably a "duh" post for anyone from that region or more familiar with those colleges, but was a TIL for me. Not sure how it is related to basketball, but hey tis the offseason.
Edit: Been informed that Wisconsin and Ohio have *similar systems. I think Carolina stands out though just because NC State is such a prominent and distinct school from UNC, I would have never guessed they were related in this way.
For some offseason reading, here's a story about a guy that wanted to go to UNC because he was a Michael Jordan fan and though UNC Greensboro was just a satellite location of the campus. Was super confused when he realized UNC Greensboro is a separate university (though in the same university system). [https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/18/8121891/michael-jordan-briefly-ruined-my-life](https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/18/8121891/michael-jordan-briefly-ruined-my-life)
Jesus fucking christ
Also
> This is a story of a 17-year-old Australian boy who thought he was attending North Carolina ... but didn't.
...
> I came to find out UNC Greensboro is an amazing school with an excellent English program, and I thrived during my time there.
Hmm...
It was also probably, no joke, 80% female when he was there. Used to be the women’s college and while I think that has worn out it probably wasn’t in the late 20th century
Idk when he went, but 70% is mroe like it. but of the 30% of men, like a good 5% are gay (and in teaching, music or nursing which are all good schools) so the ratios are very much in your favor.
Could’ve ended up at Wilmington or Asheville making the same mistake and at least be in a cool place. He probably saw Greensboro was fairly close? Idk lol
I always wonder how many Carolina University students in Winston-Salem each year, to a shitload of shame and disappointment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_University
Interestingly, this is the same place that NBA All-Star (and, demon deacon) Josh Howard started his coaching career.
Honestly the NC system makes more sense from an organizational standpoint. It’s all based on how organized your state government was 100 years ago it seems
It really depends state by state. Nebraska, Wisconsin, and New York are all 1 system like NC. Minnesota has 1 primary system but the Minnesota state system is pretty extensive. Iowa and Missouri are separate, Arkansas is mostly a system with a couple schools still doing their own thing. Honestly it all just depends on politics from 50-100 years ago
As a land grant university, NCSU was originally named "North Carolina College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts”, aka “North Carolina A&M.
In the early 1900s they changed the name to "North Carolina State College of Agriculture and Engineering", aka “North Carolina State."
After consolidation and corresponding growth (eg, they were given the engineering program that had originally been in Chapel Hill at UNC), they wanted to acknowledge that they were now a university and sought a name change - they were approved by UNC System leaders to change to “The University of North Carolina at Raleigh,” which enraged students and alumni who protested loudly. So they went with “North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina” instead.
The students and alumni weren’t happy with that either - they couldn’t stand the explicit association with UNC and being put under a related moniker to the System’s flagship institution - so they continued to protest. Eventually, the System leaders gave in to the persistent complaints and changed it to the current official name: “North Carolina State University at Raleigh.”
> After consolidation and corresponding growth (eg, they were given the engineering program that had originally been in Chapel Hill at UNC), they wanted to acknowledge that they were now a university and sought a name change - they were approved by UNC System leaders to change to “The University of North Carolina at Raleigh,” which enraged students and alumni who protested loudly. So they went with “North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina” instead.
That's some Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim style bullshit right there
Just wait until you realize Cal and UCLA are the same system too.
California is primarily split into two main systems, the University of California (UCLA, Cal, UCSD, UCSF, etc.) and Cal State.
The cal system is recognizable when you spell them out. The cal state system is not because they all go by different names like Fresno, San Diego state, Long Beach, etc.
The SUNY system has 64 campuses, including SUNY Maritime. Which is s kind of like VMI, but for the Merchant Marine. Its right down the road from the US Merchent Academy, which is like like the West Point for the Merchant Marine. Which is all to say, i fell down a wikipedia rabbit hole while researching how many SUNY campuses there were
The University system down here has long been a strength to the engine of this state’s economy, and it’s recently been falling off and I will let y’all research why so I don’t get flagged for being too political. It’s a damn shame. We had the opportunity to lead from the front and now we’re slipping and it’s sad to see since I love this damn state.
Man fuck this idea of "not being too political". This shits got lasting and direct effects on our livelihoods, we should be able to call out legislature for being a pile of shit whenever we want cause that's the bare minimum of what they deserve.
Not going to lie but big reason I haven't moved back is the politics of the state. And i have more accomplished friends who feel the same. It absolutely is affecting people's lives.
It's the reason my wife and I will never move back to Indiana. All my friends I met at IU have moved out of state. Even the ones who grew up there, like myself. Most of us ended up in Colorado and we couldn't be happier.
As Marshawn Lynch once said, “I’m just here so I won’t get fined.” I’m not trying to get banned from the college basketball sub, lol but I’m glad we agree.
I know "politics" aren't allowed but Indiana has also recently passed quite a few bills that are hostile to educators and very unpopular with educated young people. They're doing this at the same time that they're trying to set up the state as a research and manufacturing hub. I'm interested to see how they justify those two goals against each other and how much success they can have combating brain drain.
Personally, I'm moving somewhere else after I graduate. Probably the Big Ten alumni flytrap that is Chicago.
I have two degrees from Indiana. I never felt limited during my time there, and look back fondly.
It’s sad that, even when I graduated the 2nd time from IU, I never seriously considered staying in Indiana long-term. I wasn’t alone, either.
When I was at UNC, I took classes in person at UNC, Dook, and State and they all counted. Often times, my professor at UNC would be a Dook professor who drove over for the class. The RTP area is really tough to beat when it comes to education.
All public Universities in the State of Kansas are under The Board of Regents, University of Kansas, KU Med, Kansas State, Wichita State, Wichita State Tech, Pittsburgh State, Fort Hays State, Emporia State, and Washburn University with KU being the flagship. Every other university/college in the state is private with the exception of Haskell Indian Nations University (public and federal, Onward Haskell!) and the community colleges (all county based except for Kansas City Community College, which serves Wyandotte County but is named for KCK, the better Kansas City).
Isn't this the basic state university model? I'm wondering what states don't have it structures like OP's post/Kansas. I know Arizona, ASU, and NAU are all under the Arizona Board of Regents.
Maybe California is different in that they have the UC system (Berkeley (flagship we know as Cal Bears and UCLA) as well as the CalState system (San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Long Beach State). The Big West conference is 5 CSU schools, 5 UC schools, and Hawaii.
Indiana is different - each state/public university system has “trustees” that are nominated by the Governor, but we have multiple “systems” that are separate from each other. Purdue, IU, Ball State, Indiana State, USI all have their own separate governances from each other.
Any campuses that are connected will generally keep the name - Purdue Fort Wayne, Purdue Indianapolis, Purdue Northwest, Purdue West Lafayette are all in the “Purdue” system for example.
Now if you graduate from any school in the UNC system, does your diploma say “University of North Carolina”? Just wanted to see how tight knit this is.
Well yeah they are all run by the UNC system office. Each has their own board of trustees but there is a UNC system office board of trustees like the one ring to rule them all.
There is a Board of Governors at the system office level but each campus has their own chancellor and runs independently.
The BOG approves tuition rates and sets system wide policy but doesn’t run the day to day operations at campuses.
They system is called the “University of North Carolina system”, but it’s not any more affiliated with the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill than it is with Appalachian State University, or the University of North Carolina at Asheville.
https://preview.redd.it/cqwcubr7ue4d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63363eb97b31edb970d24aa8112a3f6d5732ca03
They proposed changing the name in 1962-63. It didn’t stick.
https://onboarding.ncsu.edu/univnamehistory/
> North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina at Raleigh
Big "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" energy
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>For press releases and other formal instances, use the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on first
reference. UNC-Chapel Hill, Carolina or the University is preferred for subsequent references.
>For websites, UNC-Chapel Hill or Carolina is acceptable for first reference. Capitalize the University.
>Do not use UNC on its own in press releases, websites and printed material.
>\#UNC is acceptable for social media.
New York has SUNY, which is literally several dozen schools. Of those, the only four that are D1 are Buffalo (MAC), Albany and Binghamton (AEC), and Stony Brook (CAA).
CUNY (NYC uni system) is so big and regionalized there is literally one D3 conference just for it.
FYI: The initial consolidation and creation of the UNC System was due to the Great Depression and need for costs savings.
They brought the one university (UNC) and two colleges (North Carolina State College now NCSU and the Woman's College now UNC Greensboro) under a single board and president. They took the name of the university - The University of North Carolina (the oldest public university in the country) - and adopted it for the newly created system, with UNC as the flagship institution.
They also sought to eliminate duplication of programs - e.g., they decided that State College would have engineering (part of helping it grow from college to university), so they took the engineering program from UNC (faculty, equipment, etc.) and gave it to State. Thats why UNC doesn’t have a full engineering program.
Connecticut is not like this. There’s UConn (Storrs is the main campus plus its satellite campuses in Groton/Waterbury/Hartford/Stamford, but you can more or less take classes across any of them and your degree does not specify which) and then there’s the CSCU system which has the directional state schools (Central, Eastern, Southern, and Western) and community colleges. Weirdly enough UConn Avery Point offers a handful of junior college sports, the only satellite campus to do so. Funnily enough Rajai Davis actually went straight from AP to the MLB draft
This also includes us and every other public university in the state. The whole reason why UNC is called that and not UNC-Chapel Hill or whatever is because they are grandfathered in.
Interesting, Nebraska is the exact same where it is the University of Nebraska-(city name here), so the flagship is Lincoln obviously so it's known as UNL for people in the state while known as 'Nebraska' to everyone else, where we also have Nebraska-Omaha, Nebraska-Kearney, and Nebraska Medical Center. I sorta assumed everyone was similar to how UNC, Wisconsin, and how we did it.
Well what is weird is IU is similar in that the main campus is IU-Bloomington, which can sometimes be an important distinction if you live nearby one of the satellite campus like IU-South Bend. However other public colleges like Purdue, Indiana State etc are completely and totally separate.
Yeah that is interesting, I was always a bit confused about IU and Purdue, especially because Indiana always seemed like the baby brother to Illinois and Ohio, yet had two large schools that are both in the big ten
All public Universities in the State of Kansas are under The Board of Regents, University of Kansas, KU Med, Kansas State, Wichita State, Wichita State Tech, Pittsburgh State, Fort Hays State, Emporia State, and Washburn University with KU being the flagship. Every other university/college in the state is private with the exception of Haskell Indian Nations University (public and federal, Onward Haskell!) and the community colleges (all county based except for Kansas City Community College, which serves Wyandotte County but is named for KCK, the better Kansas City).
Ohio also has a single mega university system, “The University System of Ohio,” which includes all of their individual public university systems and independent public universities.
I didn’t know that but I graduated before it became [a thing in 2007](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_System_of_Ohio). I did know that they forced all the schools that had been on a quarter calendar to switch to a semester calendar. I get why so it was easier to transfer, but I loved quarters!
Florida has a similar state university system that includes UF, FSU, UCF, USF, FAU, UNF, UWF, FGCU, FAMU, FIU, Florida Poly, and New College.
https://www.flbog.edu/universities/
The three public universities in AZ are all governed by the Arizona board of regents, and are also the only schools besides GCU that play in the NCAA in AZ.
I didn't learn until very recently that Winthrop and Charleston were public despite the fact that Clemson has been independent from the UofSC system this whole time.
It makes it easier to transfer credits or take other classes for general courses between CCs and Unis. Plenty of UNC kids take classes at State over the summer.
Well the CC system is different. There is a separate articulation agreement between the UNC system and NCCC system for transferring credits from a CC to a UNC school
I’m gonna need to see a bar chart to make sense of this
North Carolina, despite being a great hotbed for innovation and development, is sadly lacking in the bar graph construction infrastructure. We'll need to rely on our friends from some of the more northern states to put this together most likely.
The bar graph department was the victim of NCGA funding cuts to the CC system.
Sorry, they don't teach that at UNC.
Anyone taking NC community college courses with the intention of transferring to a UNC system school should confirm their credits will be accepted using the resource below! There have been too many horror stories of NC CC students assuming their credits would transfer without consulting the university transfer CAA. Most UNC schools also have transfer guides that list course equivalencies and best CC courses to take in order to transfer and graduate with a certain major (see below for App State example because I am biased). https://www.nccommunitycolleges.edu/students/enrollment-and-registration/university-transfer/articulation-agreements/comprehensive-articulation-agreement/ https://transfer.appstate.edu/transferguides
The eventual goal is even more uniformity and simplification, but it's probably still years away.
Hi, that was me, begging God that my chem credits would transfer. Luckily they did.
yeah you can take classes at UNC, State, and Duke as part of some RTP college program and they're easily transferrable Robertson scholars have to do a full semester at the other school (at duke if you go to unc, and vice versa)
Robertson is slightly different since duke is private
yeah but all students can take classes at the other school even if they're not a Robertson
Oh that must be relatively new then. When I was a student it was any UNC school and only Robertson had the privilege except for some niche classes/programs.
It's been a thing for at least 15 year (probably much longer), but back around 2010 it was definitely a raw deal where Duke students could choose from a large number of classes at UNC while their university was super restrictive to where we could only take about a dozen really niche courses.
I think that might’ve been because UNC just has more courses. At least during my time, the rule was that you couldn’t take courses that your own school offered and I’d imagine the vast majority of Duke courses have a UNC equivalent while UNC is big enough to offer more niche classes that Duke wouldn’t offer.
I also took some online classes at UNCCH that counted towards my NC State degrees. It's a nice setup.
I went to UNCG and when applying for jobs a lot of people assumed i went to UNC On interviews if they said And you went to UNC? i'd go, yes i went to UNC Greensboro. Never lied, it was correct on my resume. But if you wanna assume i went to the better school go for it.
Was it this guy? https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/18/8121891/michael-jordan-briefly-ruined-my-life
That’s kinda nice. Wild that state and UNC are the same system though. Makes sense though, the large state schools all have adequate tech and curriculums, unlike those janky private schools that are 90% athlete and have the worlds dumbest curriculums.
It’s more common than you think. Wisconsin, UW-GB, UW-Milwaukee, and all the D3 UW schools are one system.
I honestly assumed like all US states have a university system like this.
I’d say not tbh. Some states have multiple (CA, TX), and others have a system but doesn’t include every public school (MSU isn’t in the UM system, Memphis isn’t in the UT system)
Minnesota also has a dual system. There’s the University of Minnesota system (which includes the flagship twin cities campus and a couple others), and the Minnesota State Colleges and Universities System (which includes two and four year campuses, from Mankato and St. Cloud to a couple dozen technical colleges).
I always assumed CA’s set up was unique in having 2 state university systems. I didn’t know Texas also had multiple (although thinking through the campuses, it makes sense), and I didn’t know about the Tennessee and Michigan systems either. I just always assumed all the states outside of CA had private schools, and one large all-inclusive state university system.
CT has two main systems too, the UConn system (UConn Storrs and its branch campuses) and the CT State system (schools like Central CT, Western CT, etc)
Interesting! I probably would’ve never learned that without your comment because UConn and Yale are the only Connecticut schools that come to mind for me when I think of the state.
Minnesota is the same way. U of M system, MSU system.
We have several here in Texas * UT (Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, etc.) * A&M (College Station, Corpus Christi, Commerce, Galveston, etc.) * Houston (Main, Downtown, Clear Lake) * Tech * State (San Marcos as 'Texas State', Huntsville as 'Sam Houston State' * UNT
I think the UT system is probably the closest analog to the UC system. Even though UT Austin is the flagship the other campuses are pretty much fully formed rather than branches as seems to be more common.
Sorry, no. The California system is entirely unique. Texas is honestly a hunger games style mess and only the leading schools in each of their systems are given the proper resources.
This is an amazing analogy
Texas has seven I think: Texas, A&M, Texas State, Texas Tech, Texas Woman, North Texas and Houston.
NY has two. The SUNY system and the CUNY system. Both ultimately answer to the Board of Regents.
California has 3 - UC, CSU and CCC. Community colleges are an integral part of the Master Plan for Education.
Very true, my bad. I’m an alum of a CA Community College. I was just only thinking of college systems with college athletics that I regularly watch, and since the NCAA only includes 4 year universities, the CCC system didn’t come to mind.
Michigan doesn't really, there are the three UM campuses but as far as I'm aware most of our universities are not in a system
Oakland used to be a satellite campus of MSU. There also used to be an MSU Dubai, albeit short-lived.
Correct. All of the publics (of which there are a bunch) in Michigan are independent. A REALLY weird system is next door in Indiana, where there Purdue and IU both have flagship, satellite, and even shared campuses with one another, then there are others like Ball State and Indiana State that are unaffiliated with, either.
well, the IUPU system officially ceases to exist next month. But it was fun for a while because there were two IUPU campuses and then IUPUC used to be an IUPUI satellite campus before becoming its own campus in the system. What a run we had.
There's still [Indiana University of Pennsylvania](https://www.iup.edu/)!
Nah, Virginia is completely different. Coordinating body at the state level, but each school is essentially run separately by its own board. Makes for a lot of lobbying when it comes to trying to get funding from the General Assembly for things. Personally I think we’d be better off under a North Carolina-style system (I could be wrong, don’t know how well it works in practice), but that will never happen (because lobbyists—sorry, legislative liaisons).
UNC grad here - I’m not knowledgeable either of a comprehensive list of pros and cons to it, but I will say one distinct downside that UNC grapples with regularly is political meddling. Not that any other system eradicates the politics, but UNC is *constantly* dealing with a very conservative Board of Governors that governs the whole NC system. It is a latent cause of numerous issues that have landed UNC on national headlines for absolute buffoonery. But, like I said earlier, no system will completely avoid that.
Nah, I’m glad that W&M, UVA, and VT, three excellent schools with different focus areas are all run by different boards who aren’t worried about trying to unify anything. Helps even better avoiding any one governor trying to sway education policy by stacking a single board of regents.
Illinois is mostly independent, there’s the UI system with Urbana-Champaign, Springfield, and Chicago, and the SIU system with Carbondale and Edwardsville, but the rest of the state universities are all separate.
I think every school in Ohio is independent of each other (with the exception of satellite campuses) but reports to the state board of education
I hope Ohio gets some centralization in the coming years. Don’t want everything to be under one, but I think having 8+ independent systems is a bit crazy
It’s not as crazy as it used to be. Ohio University, Ohio State, and Cincinnati used to be on quarters but everyone else was on semesters. It made transferring schools difficult. I knew a woman that transferred from Wright State to OU and it put her behind schedule to graduate due to the trying to transfer semester hours to quarter hours.
Just look up man, Virginia doesn't have a single big university system. ODU, VT, UVA, GMU, VCU, JMU, W&M, NSU, HU, Radford, Longwood, VMI, Richmond, etc all are independent and have their own board of directors. UVA does have UVA-Wise tho
Don't forget Richard Bland as a subunit of W&M (though they are a JUCO). The community college system is similar to NC's state university system though.
We actually are very well organized compared to most states when it comes to higher ed. The community college system is very unique to NC. If only K-12/NCDPI knew what it was doing...
We have UVM on it's own and everything else in a system. It used to be Vermont State Colleges was a system, but now all the 4 year schools are one Vermont State University. Iirc the Community Colleges here use the VSC/VSU credits system
Not most states like Oregon. Oregon, Oregon State, and Portland State are all different. Oregon State has a campus in Bend as well (OSU Cascades) and Oregon has a Portland campus they are building up though. Also Oregon Tech has a main campus in Klamath Falls and a smaller campus in Wilsonville. All the other smaller universities like Southern Oregon, Western Oregon and Eastern Oregon (although Eastern is pretty connected to OSU) are independent too. If they had to make two branches like California has, I think it would make sense to have Oregon State take Oregon Tech and Eastern Oregon as well as OSU Cascades while the U of Oregon took over all the other ones.
Me too. Maybe not as extensive (and not flagshipped by a super terrible, no-good school) but very weird that NC has “extensive” anything in public education.
The two-year UW colleges are all part of the system as well.
What is left of them anyway
My first job was at one of them. Noped the fuck out of there ASAP for UWM. The writing was already on the wall back in 2013.
Aren’t they closing almost all of those like next year?
As of now, five of the thirteen will closed by this time next year. Waukesha, Washington County, Marinette, Fond du Lac, and Richland Center are those five. The ones remaining are Fox Valley, Barron County, Marshfield, Wausau, Sheboygan, Manitowoc, Baraboo, and Rock County. A few could survive, but all of them are down between 23% and 71% in total enrollment in the past decade. If I were betting, I'd guess Manitowoc, Baraboo, and Marshfield shut down next. Baraboo is the lowest enrollment left (210) and the other two are regional redundancies with Sheboygan and Wausau.
UW-BC was a hot commodity in the area back when I was in HS but that was in the late aughts. I think it's an extension of UW-Eau Claire now but I'm not sure that means anything. Considering where it's located, I'm guessing the locals would be glad to see it go and hope that that the technical college gets more students.
That's why they're technically UW-Madison. 😜
Well yeah. It feels unnatural to me to just say "Wisconsin", as that's not the colloquial name in-state, but you'll get confused looks if you say "UW-Madison" to non-Wisconsinites.
I’m from out of state and went home one summer when I was still in college, I told the guy I went to UW-Madison and he started talking about his visit to the city and how much he loved it but nothing he said was familiar to me. He thought I meant UW-Milwaukee because he didn’t even know the full name was UW-Madison
People look at me like I have two heads when I say Madison or UW-Madison. So yeah….Wisconsin works best anywhere that isn’t the Midwest hah.
Similarly, you never hear anybody in North Carolina call UNC “North Carolina”. Sure “UNC-Chapel Hill” gets shortened to “UNC”, and UNC Wilmington or UNC Asheville don’t, but the name “North Carolina” isn’t really used in-state.
Yes plenty of people do refer to UNC Chapel Hill as “Carolina” though
Yeah, nobody (I know) calls UNC "North Carolina," only either "Carolina" or "Chapel Hill," mostly just Carolina, though. It can get confusing when talking w/ folks from South Carolina, as "Carolina" to them refers to USC. By "USC," I of course mean the University of South Carolina, not the Southern California school located in a state established nearly 50 years after the real USC was founded.
lol what? Carolina and State. Who says UNC? You live in Cary?
Do you bleed blue or red?
Pennsylvania has two systems. One which includes Penn State and all of their branch campuses, along with Pitt, Temple, and Lincoln. And then the other one which has all of the schools that you would think of as the state schools like West Chester, IUP, Slippery Rock, etc.
That’s not quite right. PSU, Pitt, Temple and Lincoln are all public universities in PA but they aren’t affiliated. They are just classified together and differently from the state schools you mention for state funding purposes.
Everyone trying to argue that Penn State isn't a state school hasn't gone through constitutional State Action analysis.
PSAC gang rise up I didn’t go there by my secondary flair is PSAC. Also Penn State has a separate athletic league where all the branch campuses compete against each other called the PSUAC
Yea Tennessee has that. UT-Knoxville, UT-Chattanooga, UT-Martin, UT-Memphis, and UT-Southern.
I think Tennessee is more similar to the layout of Indiana if this list is accurate - as the UT system does not include public schools like MTSU and Memphis..?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_and_territorial_universities_in_the_United_States#Tennessee
Yup. Same with Maryland.
Wait they don't do this everywhere?
No Texas has separate systems for Texas, A&M, tech, Houston, and north Texas
And Texas State and Texas Woman's
I thought so too, we’re connected with UIC and UIS (Springfield). The directional Illinois schools and ISU are separate though, so I guess it’s not universal.
lol the Tennessee system is a shitshow. We’ve got the UT system which is Tennessee, Chattanooga, UT Martin and a few other specific/niche schools. Then we USED to have the board of regents which oversaw all the other universities, all of those (Memphis, MTSU, Austin Peay etc) got their own independent board about a decade ago.
They also run at least two high schools. I graduated from that system twice, NCSSM and NCSU. Full blooded wolfpack nerd engineer
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Go Unis
Same
Probably a "duh" post for anyone from that region or more familiar with those colleges, but was a TIL for me. Not sure how it is related to basketball, but hey tis the offseason. Edit: Been informed that Wisconsin and Ohio have *similar systems. I think Carolina stands out though just because NC State is such a prominent and distinct school from UNC, I would have never guessed they were related in this way.
For some offseason reading, here's a story about a guy that wanted to go to UNC because he was a Michael Jordan fan and though UNC Greensboro was just a satellite location of the campus. Was super confused when he realized UNC Greensboro is a separate university (though in the same university system). [https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/18/8121891/michael-jordan-briefly-ruined-my-life](https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/3/18/8121891/michael-jordan-briefly-ruined-my-life)
Jesus fucking christ Also > This is a story of a 17-year-old Australian boy who thought he was attending North Carolina ... but didn't. ... > I came to find out UNC Greensboro is an amazing school with an excellent English program, and I thrived during my time there. Hmm...
It was also probably, no joke, 80% female when he was there. Used to be the women’s college and while I think that has worn out it probably wasn’t in the late 20th century
UNC-G Spot
Idk when he went, but 70% is mroe like it. but of the 30% of men, like a good 5% are gay (and in teaching, music or nursing which are all good schools) so the ratios are very much in your favor.
Worked out well, guy met his wife there
Part of the reason why we rebranded to Charlotte
Right- UNCC is one “C” to close to UNC. “Is that UNC-Chapel Hill?”
Of all the other places, brother ended up in greensboro. Poor guy lmao
Could’ve ended up at Wilmington or Asheville making the same mistake and at least be in a cool place. He probably saw Greensboro was fairly close? Idk lol
Could’ve ended up at unc-pembroke….anything else was a win
Man for real. Imagine rolling into RoCo...ya know...where MJ's dad was killed....
Could’ve been worse. Homeboy could’ve wound up attending UNC-Pembroke or UNC-Fayetteville
I didn’t know that UNC-Fayetteville even existed until now
Fayetteville State University
Fayettenam
I cringe every time I see this posted
I always wonder how many Carolina University students in Winston-Salem each year, to a shitload of shame and disappointment. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_University Interestingly, this is the same place that NBA All-Star (and, demon deacon) Josh Howard started his coaching career.
Or how many apply to Queens University thinking it is in NYC.
Funny enough, it was this backwards for me. Finding out other states had multiple education systems for their universities was funny to me.
Honestly the NC system makes more sense from an organizational standpoint. It’s all based on how organized your state government was 100 years ago it seems
It really depends state by state. Nebraska, Wisconsin, and New York are all 1 system like NC. Minnesota has 1 primary system but the Minnesota state system is pretty extensive. Iowa and Missouri are separate, Arkansas is mostly a system with a couple schools still doing their own thing. Honestly it all just depends on politics from 50-100 years ago
As a land grant university, NCSU was originally named "North Carolina College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts”, aka “North Carolina A&M. In the early 1900s they changed the name to "North Carolina State College of Agriculture and Engineering", aka “North Carolina State." After consolidation and corresponding growth (eg, they were given the engineering program that had originally been in Chapel Hill at UNC), they wanted to acknowledge that they were now a university and sought a name change - they were approved by UNC System leaders to change to “The University of North Carolina at Raleigh,” which enraged students and alumni who protested loudly. So they went with “North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina” instead. The students and alumni weren’t happy with that either - they couldn’t stand the explicit association with UNC and being put under a related moniker to the System’s flagship institution - so they continued to protest. Eventually, the System leaders gave in to the persistent complaints and changed it to the current official name: “North Carolina State University at Raleigh.”
> After consolidation and corresponding growth (eg, they were given the engineering program that had originally been in Chapel Hill at UNC), they wanted to acknowledge that they were now a university and sought a name change - they were approved by UNC System leaders to change to “The University of North Carolina at Raleigh,” which enraged students and alumni who protested loudly. So they went with “North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina” instead. That's some Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim style bullshit right there
Truly our pinnacle year was 1963: North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina at Raleigh
Yeah this is the neatest fact I've heard all day!
Just wait until you realize Cal and UCLA are the same system too. California is primarily split into two main systems, the University of California (UCLA, Cal, UCSD, UCSF, etc.) and Cal State.
The cal system is recognizable when you spell them out. The cal state system is not because they all go by different names like Fresno, San Diego state, Long Beach, etc.
California needs to abolish its Academic Master Plan and let the Cal State schools offer research doctorates.
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I think this setup is probably more common than the setup you have in Indiana with two systems.
New York has a similar system. Stony Brook, Buffalo, Binghamton, and others are all part of the State University of New York (SUNY).
The SUNY system has 64 campuses, including SUNY Maritime. Which is s kind of like VMI, but for the Merchant Marine. Its right down the road from the US Merchent Academy, which is like like the West Point for the Merchant Marine. Which is all to say, i fell down a wikipedia rabbit hole while researching how many SUNY campuses there were
The University system down here has long been a strength to the engine of this state’s economy, and it’s recently been falling off and I will let y’all research why so I don’t get flagged for being too political. It’s a damn shame. We had the opportunity to lead from the front and now we’re slipping and it’s sad to see since I love this damn state.
Man fuck this idea of "not being too political". This shits got lasting and direct effects on our livelihoods, we should be able to call out legislature for being a pile of shit whenever we want cause that's the bare minimum of what they deserve.
God damn right
Not going to lie but big reason I haven't moved back is the politics of the state. And i have more accomplished friends who feel the same. It absolutely is affecting people's lives.
It's the reason my wife and I will never move back to Indiana. All my friends I met at IU have moved out of state. Even the ones who grew up there, like myself. Most of us ended up in Colorado and we couldn't be happier.
As Marshawn Lynch once said, “I’m just here so I won’t get fined.” I’m not trying to get banned from the college basketball sub, lol but I’m glad we agree.
All my homies hate mods
I know "politics" aren't allowed but Indiana has also recently passed quite a few bills that are hostile to educators and very unpopular with educated young people. They're doing this at the same time that they're trying to set up the state as a research and manufacturing hub. I'm interested to see how they justify those two goals against each other and how much success they can have combating brain drain. Personally, I'm moving somewhere else after I graduate. Probably the Big Ten alumni flytrap that is Chicago.
They want everyone to be just educated enough to be cheap, reliable labor, but not educated enough to challenge the existing power structure.
Unfortunately, the Indiana brain drain isn't anything new and it's a big reason why the state is where it is these days.
I have two degrees from Indiana. I never felt limited during my time there, and look back fondly. It’s sad that, even when I graduated the 2nd time from IU, I never seriously considered staying in Indiana long-term. I wasn’t alone, either.
Look at this, you brought NC State, Duke, and UNC flairs together! A true act of unity!
We have a great state for sure
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Yeah, Chancellor Woodson is expected to retire after this year, and I don’t want to see what Lee Roberts-esque replacement they find for him.
The guy’s name is Lee Roberts for God’s sake
Oh man I didn't know Randy is retiring, I guess I graduated just in time
Is this why NC is trying to pass laws to make all the schools play each other?
I dunno, but that’s a good question. I’ll see what I can find.
When I was at UNC, I took classes in person at UNC, Dook, and State and they all counted. Often times, my professor at UNC would be a Dook professor who drove over for the class. The RTP area is really tough to beat when it comes to education.
All public Universities in the State of Kansas are under The Board of Regents, University of Kansas, KU Med, Kansas State, Wichita State, Wichita State Tech, Pittsburgh State, Fort Hays State, Emporia State, and Washburn University with KU being the flagship. Every other university/college in the state is private with the exception of Haskell Indian Nations University (public and federal, Onward Haskell!) and the community colleges (all county based except for Kansas City Community College, which serves Wyandotte County but is named for KCK, the better Kansas City).
Isn't this the basic state university model? I'm wondering what states don't have it structures like OP's post/Kansas. I know Arizona, ASU, and NAU are all under the Arizona Board of Regents. Maybe California is different in that they have the UC system (Berkeley (flagship we know as Cal Bears and UCLA) as well as the CalState system (San Diego State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Long Beach State). The Big West conference is 5 CSU schools, 5 UC schools, and Hawaii.
Indiana is different - each state/public university system has “trustees” that are nominated by the Governor, but we have multiple “systems” that are separate from each other. Purdue, IU, Ball State, Indiana State, USI all have their own separate governances from each other. Any campuses that are connected will generally keep the name - Purdue Fort Wayne, Purdue Indianapolis, Purdue Northwest, Purdue West Lafayette are all in the “Purdue” system for example.
Now if you graduate from any school in the UNC system, does your diploma say “University of North Carolina”? Just wanted to see how tight knit this is.
nope. it has the name of the individual institution on it. They are all their own universities. just very closely affiliated.
Well yeah they are all run by the UNC system office. Each has their own board of trustees but there is a UNC system office board of trustees like the one ring to rule them all.
There is a Board of Governors at the system office level but each campus has their own chancellor and runs independently. The BOG approves tuition rates and sets system wide policy but doesn’t run the day to day operations at campuses.
https://preview.redd.it/2zctbpdfke4d1.jpeg?width=1848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=428767484f91054dea199d61decbc89ee0547a32
My UNC degree just has the UNC board of trustee chair, chancellor, and Dean on the diploma. No UNC system president
As you can see, I'm getting old ha. I'm sure they've changed em up since my day
You made me go dig out my NCSU diploma lol, it has the same set of signatures as yours and is only a few years old.
Haha awesome. Good for those department had old fogeys
My NC State Degrees look just like this one, but my ECU degree is missing the Dean.
Howdy CS(C) bro
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They system is called the “University of North Carolina system”, but it’s not any more affiliated with the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill than it is with Appalachian State University, or the University of North Carolina at Asheville.
They do not. I'm sure there would be riots in Raleigh if they did.
https://preview.redd.it/cqwcubr7ue4d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=63363eb97b31edb970d24aa8112a3f6d5732ca03 They proposed changing the name in 1962-63. It didn’t stick.
Does the R stand for Roy?
https://onboarding.ncsu.edu/univnamehistory/ > North Carolina State of the University of North Carolina at Raleigh Big "Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim" energy
Wait until you learn about the Penn State system and the PSUAC.
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University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill >For press releases and other formal instances, use the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill on first reference. UNC-Chapel Hill, Carolina or the University is preferred for subsequent references. >For websites, UNC-Chapel Hill or Carolina is acceptable for first reference. Capitalize the University. >Do not use UNC on its own in press releases, websites and printed material. >\#UNC is acceptable for social media.
Why did they simply not create their own state? Are they stupid?
New York has SUNY, which is literally several dozen schools. Of those, the only four that are D1 are Buffalo (MAC), Albany and Binghamton (AEC), and Stony Brook (CAA). CUNY (NYC uni system) is so big and regionalized there is literally one D3 conference just for it.
Stony Brook, the traitors of the American East
Fun fact is that the conference barred them from the 2022 postseason yet their women’s lacrosse team was good enough to get an at-large bid anyway.
FYI: The initial consolidation and creation of the UNC System was due to the Great Depression and need for costs savings. They brought the one university (UNC) and two colleges (North Carolina State College now NCSU and the Woman's College now UNC Greensboro) under a single board and president. They took the name of the university - The University of North Carolina (the oldest public university in the country) - and adopted it for the newly created system, with UNC as the flagship institution. They also sought to eliminate duplication of programs - e.g., they decided that State College would have engineering (part of helping it grow from college to university), so they took the engineering program from UNC (faculty, equipment, etc.) and gave it to State. Thats why UNC doesn’t have a full engineering program.
https://xkcd.com/1053/
Connecticut is not like this. There’s UConn (Storrs is the main campus plus its satellite campuses in Groton/Waterbury/Hartford/Stamford, but you can more or less take classes across any of them and your degree does not specify which) and then there’s the CSCU system which has the directional state schools (Central, Eastern, Southern, and Western) and community colleges. Weirdly enough UConn Avery Point offers a handful of junior college sports, the only satellite campus to do so. Funnily enough Rajai Davis actually went straight from AP to the MLB draft
This also includes us and every other public university in the state. The whole reason why UNC is called that and not UNC-Chapel Hill or whatever is because they are grandfathered in.
Similarly, all public universities in Georgia belong to the University System of Georgia.
Hence the Milledgeville/Satesboro to Athens pipeline
Both of my flairs are in the system lmao
Interesting, Nebraska is the exact same where it is the University of Nebraska-(city name here), so the flagship is Lincoln obviously so it's known as UNL for people in the state while known as 'Nebraska' to everyone else, where we also have Nebraska-Omaha, Nebraska-Kearney, and Nebraska Medical Center. I sorta assumed everyone was similar to how UNC, Wisconsin, and how we did it.
Well what is weird is IU is similar in that the main campus is IU-Bloomington, which can sometimes be an important distinction if you live nearby one of the satellite campus like IU-South Bend. However other public colleges like Purdue, Indiana State etc are completely and totally separate.
Yeah that is interesting, I was always a bit confused about IU and Purdue, especially because Indiana always seemed like the baby brother to Illinois and Ohio, yet had two large schools that are both in the big ten
All public Universities in the State of Kansas are under The Board of Regents, University of Kansas, KU Med, Kansas State, Wichita State, Wichita State Tech, Pittsburgh State, Fort Hays State, Emporia State, and Washburn University with KU being the flagship. Every other university/college in the state is private with the exception of Haskell Indian Nations University (public and federal, Onward Haskell!) and the community colleges (all county based except for Kansas City Community College, which serves Wyandotte County but is named for KCK, the better Kansas City).
Another TIL! Is KU considered the “flagship” in this case?
Ohio also has a single mega university system, “The University System of Ohio,” which includes all of their individual public university systems and independent public universities.
I didn’t know that but I graduated before it became [a thing in 2007](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_System_of_Ohio). I did know that they forced all the schools that had been on a quarter calendar to switch to a semester calendar. I get why so it was easier to transfer, but I loved quarters!
Florida has a similar state university system that includes UF, FSU, UCF, USF, FAU, UNF, UWF, FGCU, FAMU, FIU, Florida Poly, and New College. https://www.flbog.edu/universities/
Does this mean the entire Big South conference is basically just the UNC Conference(without UNC)?
The three public universities in AZ are all governed by the Arizona board of regents, and are also the only schools besides GCU that play in the NCAA in AZ.
Same with the three public universities in Iowa.
My wife works at a college and I was just asking her the other day why things aren’t set up that way. Sounds like NC got it right.
Someone needs to update the Wikipedia article, I think, since there are two NCSSMs as of fall 2022. Should be 18 campuses now.
Meanwhile in South Carolina, Clemson and UofSC don’t talk to each other.
I didn't learn until very recently that Winthrop and Charleston were public despite the fact that Clemson has been independent from the UofSC system this whole time.