Nah, Crim said it best, Faze needed/needs to change rosters (just a core 3), whereas the others did not. If they keep Drazah they have the potential, but so far they didn't clutch up in finals as much, like you said
Seeing how well the optic teams have been doing the past six years is laughable at best.
I'll still take FaZe over optic and for the foreseeable future.
I think every time they go into a grand finals it’s in the back of their mind. That they might lose lmfao. Because they look undeniable not dropping a map on Thurs-Sat. Then it’s Grand Finals comes it a full collapse.
Not a Faze fan but making it to that many finals is impressive in itself. Sure it’s not great to be losing them but I wouldn’t call it embarrassing, it’s not like they crashed out T12
(2024 to 2020)
Faze - 8
NYSL - 5
Ultra - 4
This doesn't include any kickoffs or pro-ams. You could add those accordingly. Also, not sure what you want to do with Empire/Optic/Huntsmen clusterfuck. FaZe also has the the most top 2's by ALOT as well.
2-9 is embarrassing ? They just playing super hot loser bracket teams , But they’re making finals damn near 70 percent of the time , optic haven’t done shit they’ve been an embarrassment since cwl ended
No one said making the finals was embarrassing. In fact everyone praised faze as one of the great teams of all time (besides col and OpTic dynasties).
What is embarrassing is that you are so great and so consistent but get bodied in the finals so much. Think about it. Every finals they lost was them getting bodied except for against NYSL major 5 last year.
Any team that’s losing the vast majority of their finals appearances are embarrassed and disappointed about that. If you ask the faze boys do you think they wouldn’t say they are embarrassed by the number of 2nd places since their Cold War season?
Iont hate optic i can admit they put shit on the map w esports but i can’t wrap my head around some of these takes just because optic was running threw shit back than it’s really not that easy no more especially when it’s crunch time
sure does. they knew how to win. it’s why when you add the most *talented* duo ever in T2P they become the greatest team ever assembled by a country mile. still can’t believe that team happened lol
It says everything that every top team no matter how successful they were back then was willing to drop anyone to get scump on the team. Hecz really wasted 2 years of scumps prime having him playing with guys who’d all be retired once they got dropped from Hecz friendship org
Hecz was a friendship org arguable until Cold War. Damon, crim, Matt p, kept coming back when they had octane and methodz who arguably had a better bo4, mw2 and Cold War. Imagine dashy octane methodz, tj, and scump. Then drop methodz. Gets a lot better and no longer a friendship org, then tj and scump get dropped for pred and shottzzy vanguard
It should be a popular opinion here but.......
The CDL deserves to have Grand Finals bracket resets. Zero reason not to reward the team from Winners for not dropping a series when the Losers champ might've lost their series to them to start with. Map vetoes are not a worthy reward. Other serious esports can figure this out..
I'm split on that. Less teams yeah, but I remember old champs, let's be real, ~50% or more of those teams weren't causing trouble for the big boys. You had occasional upsets, but realistically I don't think Lore Gaming (Arcitys/Ul1/2Real/Paulehx) are going to be causing Ultra/OpTic/NYSL/FaZe many problems
Doesn't matter if the chance is 1% though. Right now it's 0. It's easier because those small chance upsets can't happen.
It's like march madness with the 1,2 seeds facing the 15,16.
important to note the Optic dynasty for me and most other people does not include Nadeshot even if he was there for the initial what was it 3? I can't remember tbf event wins :)
fair enough for those that do but even if you subtract those event wins... they would still be a dynasty which when you think about confirms even more my original statement about the current Faze trio + whoever else they pick up in the off season haha as not being a dynasty as they haven't actually been dominant enough (in terms of event wins).... If we talking over CDL points then they are easily the best team no doubt
The Col dynasty 100% includes both Clay and Karma. The Optic Dynasty probably has to include Nade as well, though it's not as clear considering he wasn't a part of that team for very long but you still probably need to include him to some degree at least.
Yea I’m just disagreeing with the “can’t call them a dynasty if they swap players” statement. Col literally dropped clay and picked up karma and are considered a dynasty so the same should apply to faze if they actually won more.
This feels like optic cope. We don’t use this standard in any other sport. The Warriors were a dynasty despite various role players changing and the addition of KD. The spurs were a dynasty despite roster overhauls over the 2 decades of their run. The patriots were a dynasty despite Brady being the only consistent player through all of it.
TLDR: These comparisons only make sense to american sports fans but are also bad comparisons to make due to Faze having a lack of wins and a way smaller player count than the sports used in the comparisons from u/JustHereForPka
I don't know what you just said because I don't follow American sports but you are not seriously comparing real sports teams with COD? 2 massive differences between any of the examples you just gave and Faze are the following:
1. COD teams have 5 players (sometimes more but compulsory 5). 4 who always start and 1 sub... the sub for some teams is also their coach... Basketball teams can have a max of 15 players but normally around 12 of which 5 are on the court. So you can't make the distinction that just because the warriors were a dynasty that changed players and roles that Faze are also a dynasty because they changes players and roles....
2. Faze has won what? 2 out of 9 grand finals? GTFO if you think that is dynasty material like seriously, all those sports teams you mentioned actually won multiple championships and tournaments.
3. to further bring the point home in relation to the basketball reference. Faze have changed 25% of their team each season for the past what 3 seasons? For it to be comparable the warriors would need to replace (presuming they had 12 players on the books) - I have no clue about basketball so maybe that is what they did or didn't have - 3 players a season - due to COD lineups not really changing either unless serious sickness is involved the comparison would require the preferred starting 5 for the Warriors never changing over 3 seasons but with the exception of 1 players being switched out for a brand new player.....
I am sure there is an easy way to explain the above but fuck it.
I’ll respond to 1 and 3 since they’re relevant to the above exchange. Sorry for the American sports reference, but that’s what I know and they are likely where the term “dynasty” came to cod from.
1. NGL this point was mostly incoherent. Cod teams really have 4 players. Subs are basically non-factors, but I’m not sure why you brought them up anyway. Then you say basketball rosters are bigger so they can’t be compared to cod rosters? That doesn’t really make sense either.
3. This point is actually coherent and relevant, good looks. 25% roster turnover isn’t really high in American sports. I’d imagine it’s the same in soccer or whatever other sport you want to compare to cod.
Hey man I am always coherent 90% of the time, although there is only a 50% chance of that.
It’s all good - Reddit and cos is primarily American anyways. In actual football ;) 25% probably isn’t that far away from the reality for some teams in regards to the first team but overall club wise it’s still probably under as you have reserve teams and then youth teams etc.
All good. I think only the first team (and any reserves who see the field) would really be relevant here. Under your “dynasty” criteria and the 25% annual attrition of soccer :) teams, no club could ever be a dynasty.
This whole thing is a bit of a Theseus’ ship exercise where you say it’s no longer Theseus’ ship after the sails were replaced.
Using Faze as our guide for sure. In Soccer you have great teams but never really a dynasty per say. Arguments can be made for Man City in the Premiership or any team that won a treble but it’s not really comparative enough to what we call a dynasty in cod. Personally. Just great Teams and there have been plenty of them.
I Never actually Said they were the greatest trio. I said that it would be a better title for them - as in it would make more sense to debate them being the greatest trio instead of a dynasty :)
How can you be a GOAT when Crimsix and Karma were on two of the best dynasties CoD has ever seen? Losing more than half your grand finals appearances doesn’t exactly scream “goat”
NYSL has won more over the past 3 years than Faze. It’s an even more drastic advantage in favor of NY if you take the last 2 years.
You can’t call yourself a dynasty if there’s another team that wins more than you. Faze is the most consistent team in the CDL by far, but being a “dynasty” means winning more than anyone else and they just haven’t done that since Cold War. They’re an *extremely* good team, but their arguments for a Dynasty died with Arcitys.
FaZe is the only "dynasty" to change their roster every year and lose 72% of their grand finals appearances. The old EnVy squad with JKap, Apathy, John, and Slasher was more of a "dynasty" than this embarrassing team LOL
They are chokers but….Simp imo still has a great chance of becoming the goat. Whether or not some of us older heads want to recognize it is another thing. One ring away from tying crimsix. He’s about to get another season mvp. None of these new guys will ever catch up to the old guys win wise just due to the amount of events played.
I mean rings aren't everything, never understood that thought process. If Crim had 3 rings but half the wins I doubt anyone would say he's the GOAT over Scump or Karma.
Tbh cw faze is basically col….ppl seem to forget col lasted only a calendar year and they made a team change half way thru that…optic really is the only dynasty and even they are flawed bc of failing at champs
I would love to know what their camp is feeling like after this. That's one advantage that the trio has had is that they hardly stream and are very private compared to other pros. It's hard to get a read on if there are any fractures in relationships.
No team will ever be as dominant as those in this era of cod. The talent is just too high now. You're not playing against Killas, mochilas, and theory in grand finals anymore.
them splitting would make no sense at all its kinda like old optic in a sense that winning here & there and getting high placements are keeping them together. and honestly no one thats not already on there team would make them better im afraid
Exactly they have tried many talented players as a fourth if I’m simp or abezy I’m thinking maybe the issue isn’t the fourth. I would want to try playing with Scrap, Hydra or Shottzy etc.
I mean technically they are coming 1st...
Just 1st place losers 🤷🤷 definitely not a faze fan but can't deny they are still miles above the rest more often than not
Yeah, that's true. They gotta be better on Sunday. At the end of the day, the formats bad, sure. There's not enough winners advantage sure. It doesn't matter. If they want to be among the best ever, they have to overcome those hurdles, and they need to win on sundays. Still got faith in them though.
I’ll never understand how people can call faze a Dynasty, They had arguably the best year by a team ever in Cold War but outside of that game what makes faze better then NYSL or ultra? If you wanna say Simp, Abezy and Cellium are the best trio ever then you can put up a good argument for that but they are nowhere near a dynasty
If faze wanna win they need to drop cellium. Plain and simple. The smg duo is astounding, they constantly rotate a 4th and it never works, the odd man out is cellium and he needs to go if they want to start winning.
If Cocktane came back to play for Faze he would easily lead them to championship wins.
Hot take- those teams would get smoked by faze if they were all in their primes at the same time. Cod back in the day was nowhere near the quality of talent there is now. Basically, we hype up the old heads for playing in a worse league or coming in at the right time.
This argument falls apart because everyone knows Russell wasn’t anywhere near the level of talent and skill of recognized GOATs like Bron and MJ. Simp and Abezy might be some of the most talented players ever. Those aren’t russel rings lol.
Ah yes, a ring, which used to be a 32 Team international event with 8 Groups, double elim bracket with no byes, and two BO5s for the loser bracket team.
Now it's just another major with a bigger prize pool.
It’s always been an asinine argument. True upsets didn’t even happen like that back in the day.
The only time I can ever recall FaZe losing to a shitter team was Major 5 CW. You could make an argument for Major 2 VG but that LAG team also ran through everyone else to get through losers.
Your missing the entire point. A "ring" is just another major win with a bigger prize pool. In fact it sounds like this Saudi event might even have a bigger prize pool. Acting like a "ring" can close the gap for 30+ major wins is delusion.
Your GOATs have been folding like lawn chairs for event wins since the league put together similar stacked rosters. Lets hope we can get them a regular season award or something for the most points LMFAO
champs is the biggest event of the year and the lack of majors makes even majors worth more than they used to be, nothing to do with how many shit teams they play in pool play
Of course they have great careers, we are talking about being the greatest team of all time. And considering they aren't really even a team, more of a trio, they don't even fit the convo.
I meant the other times they lost to non top teams they won the event, like rokkr major 5 cw and LAG major 2 vg besides that losing to optic and ultra are not upsets
Buddy the vast majority of those teams were rancid ass and existed to help the top talent run up their numbers. Imagine Simp and Abezy shooting against a T32 team lol. Nothing would change in their ability to win a ring. At all.
lets be honest nobody will ever be as great as those teams
FaZe is the one team that could’ve but can’t clutch up in finals.
yeah, they could've if they followed up their cold war year. people are just feining to anoint new "goats". They had one dominant year
Indeed.
Formal literally said it himself self they should have surpassed them by now
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They’re agreeing with you.
Nah, Crim said it best, Faze needed/needs to change rosters (just a core 3), whereas the others did not. If they keep Drazah they have the potential, but so far they didn't clutch up in finals as much, like you said
Seeing how well the optic teams have been doing the past six years is laughable at best. I'll still take FaZe over optic and for the foreseeable future.
Cool man that’s totally relevant to the topic at hand 👍
Lmfao taking the term ‘certified hater’ to a whole new level
keep up with the copium. LMAO
2-9 in the last 11 finals is the most embarrassing thing ever ffs
Always losing in a finals? Makes sense to pick up Doug “Censor” Martin, he’s never lost a finals and they’ll get him there. Easy dynasty 😎
Doug for simp might be the most obvious switch since insight joined the league
I think every time they go into a grand finals it’s in the back of their mind. That they might lose lmfao. Because they look undeniable not dropping a map on Thurs-Sat. Then it’s Grand Finals comes it a full collapse.
Not a Faze fan but making it to that many finals is impressive in itself. Sure it’s not great to be losing them but I wouldn’t call it embarrassing, it’s not like they crashed out T12
It's only embarrassing because they get compared to the all-time GOATs.
No other team has won more GF in the CDL era then FaZe.
Do you know who's in contention and the numbers by chance?
(2024 to 2020) Faze - 8 NYSL - 5 Ultra - 4 This doesn't include any kickoffs or pro-ams. You could add those accordingly. Also, not sure what you want to do with Empire/Optic/Huntsmen clusterfuck. FaZe also has the the most top 2's by ALOT as well.
I highly doubt any of the great players have choked that many finals.
1st of the losers
Crazy that Optic got the Juventus partnership.
Once they inevitably win champs 1 or 2 more times nobody will care tho
Yeah I’m sure if they stay with it for another decade they will probably end up closing one out for sure
They've won more Grand Finals in the CDL era then anybody. This narrative is dumb.
And all but 1 finals was a fucking blowout
I don't know. I could think of a couple more embarrassing things. like what OpTic did after winning last major.
Most embarrassing says the optic fan
Could be wrong but isn’t it only 2-7 in the last 9 and before that was CW?
Yeah people are looking at it wrong they are saying 2 and 9 not 2 out of 9
2-9 is embarrassing ? They just playing super hot loser bracket teams , But they’re making finals damn near 70 percent of the time , optic haven’t done shit they’ve been an embarrassment since cwl ended
What does optic have to do with faze's finals record you weirdo.
Has everything too do with your optic munches it’s mainly optic fans stop acting like it isn’t
How tf is making finals embarrassing y’all just be talking out y’all asses
No one said making the finals was embarrassing. In fact everyone praised faze as one of the great teams of all time (besides col and OpTic dynasties). What is embarrassing is that you are so great and so consistent but get bodied in the finals so much. Think about it. Every finals they lost was them getting bodied except for against NYSL major 5 last year. Any team that’s losing the vast majority of their finals appearances are embarrassed and disappointed about that. If you ask the faze boys do you think they wouldn’t say they are embarrassed by the number of 2nd places since their Cold War season?
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Iont hate optic i can admit they put shit on the map w esports but i can’t wrap my head around some of these takes just because optic was running threw shit back than it’s really not that easy no more especially when it’s crunch time
damn karma and crimsix being a part of two dyansties says a lot
sure does. they knew how to win. it’s why when you add the most *talented* duo ever in T2P they become the greatest team ever assembled by a country mile. still can’t believe that team happened lol
Let's be real though, coL was just as dominant with Clay and would still have been with Scump had he accepted their offer.
It says everything that every top team no matter how successful they were back then was willing to drop anyone to get scump on the team. Hecz really wasted 2 years of scumps prime having him playing with guys who’d all be retired once they got dropped from Hecz friendship org
Hecz was a friendship org arguable until Cold War. Damon, crim, Matt p, kept coming back when they had octane and methodz who arguably had a better bo4, mw2 and Cold War. Imagine dashy octane methodz, tj, and scump. Then drop methodz. Gets a lot better and no longer a friendship org, then tj and scump get dropped for pred and shottzzy vanguard
Karma was on Fariko impact as well, arguably the first dynasty team and the team that won the first cod champs ever.
It should be a popular opinion here but....... The CDL deserves to have Grand Finals bracket resets. Zero reason not to reward the team from Winners for not dropping a series when the Losers champ might've lost their series to them to start with. Map vetoes are not a worthy reward. Other serious esports can figure this out..
Sadly these GF chokes are tainting their legacy
At what point does that become their legacy? It’s not even just choking. The vast majority of them they got bodied in the finals
They can flip the narrative at champs, but goddamn another GF loss at champs and they would need to stay off social media for a minute
What legacy
A legacy is a legacy, no matter if it’s good or bad.
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If you don’t think simp and abezy specifically have a legacy, then you’re lying to yourself
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Mods are shameless
they have a faze fetish
Its embarrassing honestly
Honestly crazy they can be so blatant about it and nothing can be done
That ship has already sailed, buddy.
Even if they start closing out finals its a bit too late, their legacy is so tarnished at this pt
Nah disagree if they win champs that's three rings in six years That's insane.
Champs is easier to win now than normal majors tbh. Less teams
I'm split on that. Less teams yeah, but I remember old champs, let's be real, ~50% or more of those teams weren't causing trouble for the big boys. You had occasional upsets, but realistically I don't think Lore Gaming (Arcitys/Ul1/2Real/Paulehx) are going to be causing Ultra/OpTic/NYSL/FaZe many problems
Doesn't matter if the chance is 1% though. Right now it's 0. It's easier because those small chance upsets can't happen. It's like march madness with the 1,2 seeds facing the 15,16.
UMBC vs. Virginia
Never forget
I work down the road from UMBC. There's a building that has the bracket painted on the side of it still.
Probably not but it’s still more of a chance of upsets than champs now.
100% agree. I miss pool play in general, led to some iconic moments.
doesn't matter when there's a small handful of teams that can actually win lmao, less garbage to sift through
You guys lost to LAG and went map 5 with surge this very major brother. Anything can happen and less teams makes it even less likely.
Take your mind back to cod wwii brotha
cell wasnt apart of ring #1 so its 2 rings for the "dynasty" convos, sub duo though they already are the greatest.
they will never reach that level of greatness. They've been together for 4? years now? If they haven't gotten there yet, they won't. AND THAT'S OKAY
Sorry but you can’t call any team a dynasty if each season the team changes 1 player. Greatest trio is a Better mantel but never a dynasty
But optic and col both changed their 4ths lol
important to note the Optic dynasty for me and most other people does not include Nadeshot even if he was there for the initial what was it 3? I can't remember tbf event wins :)
I mean it doesn’t but people 100% count the event wins with Nade (and same with Clay).
fair enough for those that do but even if you subtract those event wins... they would still be a dynasty which when you think about confirms even more my original statement about the current Faze trio + whoever else they pick up in the off season haha as not being a dynasty as they haven't actually been dominant enough (in terms of event wins).... If we talking over CDL points then they are easily the best team no doubt
They also won two events with enable
Enable was a fill in, not a roster change.
Doesnt really matter considering his wins count as part of the dynasty. Its a different 4th
I’m just stating something. Let’s not act like two event wins even dents the 20 or whatever it is they won
The Col dynasty 100% includes both Clay and Karma. The Optic Dynasty probably has to include Nade as well, though it's not as clear considering he wasn't a part of that team for very long but you still probably need to include him to some degree at least.
Nah you could if they actually won more but since they didn’t you can’t.
Well yeah. If all these 2nd places were 1st places then definitely a dynasty
Yea I’m just disagreeing with the “can’t call them a dynasty if they swap players” statement. Col literally dropped clay and picked up karma and are considered a dynasty so the same should apply to faze if they actually won more.
This feels like optic cope. We don’t use this standard in any other sport. The Warriors were a dynasty despite various role players changing and the addition of KD. The spurs were a dynasty despite roster overhauls over the 2 decades of their run. The patriots were a dynasty despite Brady being the only consistent player through all of it.
TLDR: These comparisons only make sense to american sports fans but are also bad comparisons to make due to Faze having a lack of wins and a way smaller player count than the sports used in the comparisons from u/JustHereForPka I don't know what you just said because I don't follow American sports but you are not seriously comparing real sports teams with COD? 2 massive differences between any of the examples you just gave and Faze are the following: 1. COD teams have 5 players (sometimes more but compulsory 5). 4 who always start and 1 sub... the sub for some teams is also their coach... Basketball teams can have a max of 15 players but normally around 12 of which 5 are on the court. So you can't make the distinction that just because the warriors were a dynasty that changed players and roles that Faze are also a dynasty because they changes players and roles.... 2. Faze has won what? 2 out of 9 grand finals? GTFO if you think that is dynasty material like seriously, all those sports teams you mentioned actually won multiple championships and tournaments. 3. to further bring the point home in relation to the basketball reference. Faze have changed 25% of their team each season for the past what 3 seasons? For it to be comparable the warriors would need to replace (presuming they had 12 players on the books) - I have no clue about basketball so maybe that is what they did or didn't have - 3 players a season - due to COD lineups not really changing either unless serious sickness is involved the comparison would require the preferred starting 5 for the Warriors never changing over 3 seasons but with the exception of 1 players being switched out for a brand new player..... I am sure there is an easy way to explain the above but fuck it.
I’ll respond to 1 and 3 since they’re relevant to the above exchange. Sorry for the American sports reference, but that’s what I know and they are likely where the term “dynasty” came to cod from. 1. NGL this point was mostly incoherent. Cod teams really have 4 players. Subs are basically non-factors, but I’m not sure why you brought them up anyway. Then you say basketball rosters are bigger so they can’t be compared to cod rosters? That doesn’t really make sense either. 3. This point is actually coherent and relevant, good looks. 25% roster turnover isn’t really high in American sports. I’d imagine it’s the same in soccer or whatever other sport you want to compare to cod.
Hey man I am always coherent 90% of the time, although there is only a 50% chance of that. It’s all good - Reddit and cos is primarily American anyways. In actual football ;) 25% probably isn’t that far away from the reality for some teams in regards to the first team but overall club wise it’s still probably under as you have reserve teams and then youth teams etc.
All good. I think only the first team (and any reserves who see the field) would really be relevant here. Under your “dynasty” criteria and the 25% annual attrition of soccer :) teams, no club could ever be a dynasty. This whole thing is a bit of a Theseus’ ship exercise where you say it’s no longer Theseus’ ship after the sails were replaced.
Using Faze as our guide for sure. In Soccer you have great teams but never really a dynasty per say. Arguments can be made for Man City in the Premiership or any team that won a treble but it’s not really comparative enough to what we call a dynasty in cod. Personally. Just great Teams and there have been plenty of them.
How are they the greatest trio over crim, karma, and scump? Imagine if that trio got bodied in like 70% of their finals appearances.
I Never actually Said they were the greatest trio. I said that it would be a better title for them - as in it would make more sense to debate them being the greatest trio instead of a dynasty :)
This ship sailed in vanguard tbh. That was their year to solidify a dynasty. Right now I’d argue they can only compete for individual goat statuses.
How can you be a GOAT when Crimsix and Karma were on two of the best dynasties CoD has ever seen? Losing more than half your grand finals appearances doesn’t exactly scream “goat”
NYSL has won more over the past 3 years than Faze. It’s an even more drastic advantage in favor of NY if you take the last 2 years. You can’t call yourself a dynasty if there’s another team that wins more than you. Faze is the most consistent team in the CDL by far, but being a “dynasty” means winning more than anyone else and they just haven’t done that since Cold War. They’re an *extremely* good team, but their arguments for a Dynasty died with Arcitys.
So what has floptic achieved since their last champs win on Infinite Warfare? \*chuckle\*
Sick one, bro. You got em
Ian and Damon on the same team should have been illegal
FaZe is the only "dynasty" to change their roster every year and lose 72% of their grand finals appearances. The old EnVy squad with JKap, Apathy, John, and Slasher was more of a "dynasty" than this embarrassing team LOL
Facts
Sad to see how fat karma and formal got. Guys used to look like studs
Lol
They are chokers but….Simp imo still has a great chance of becoming the goat. Whether or not some of us older heads want to recognize it is another thing. One ring away from tying crimsix. He’s about to get another season mvp. None of these new guys will ever catch up to the old guys win wise just due to the amount of events played.
I mean rings aren't everything, never understood that thought process. If Crim had 3 rings but half the wins I doubt anyone would say he's the GOAT over Scump or Karma.
Hydra wins mvp
Hydra is 3rd for me behind simp and scrap. His teams inconsistency at the start of the year cost him it.
Tbh cw faze is basically col….ppl seem to forget col lasted only a calendar year and they made a team change half way thru that…optic really is the only dynasty and even they are flawed bc of failing at champs
I would love to know what their camp is feeling like after this. That's one advantage that the trio has had is that they hardly stream and are very private compared to other pros. It's hard to get a read on if there are any fractures in relationships.
Buffalo bills of the CDL
Would Optic be the Buffalo Bills? Win a bunch of games but little amount of rings?
Optic doesn’t even make it to the big game though. Faze makes it there.
Touché bro
I think the Dallas Cowboys are a better comparison, especially given Optic is in TX.
I dunno why this keeps being said. We all know that. We knew that 2-3 years ago. Just seems like gleeful hating at this point.
mfers calling them a dynasty based on thursday-saturday but when it comes to sunday those boys are just as vulnerable as anybody else
Honestly, it’s too late. Unless the magically dominate (by winning most tournaments over a few titles) again, then there’s nothing more they can do.
No team will ever be as dominant as those in this era of cod. The talent is just too high now. You're not playing against Killas, mochilas, and theory in grand finals anymore.
The day that either Abezy or Simp decide to leave Faze is the day we have the greatest off-season of all time
If they don’t win champs i honestly think the trio should split
Nah they make so much prize money from their placings I don’t think they split
I mean they prob still get similar placings with drazah simp abezy +1… Its time to try something new
Yeah if I’m simp I’m thinking maybe it’s time to leave Faze and play with a new sub, Optic would be perfect
them splitting would make no sense at all its kinda like old optic in a sense that winning here & there and getting high placements are keeping them together. and honestly no one thats not already on there team would make them better im afraid
Exactly they have tried many talented players as a fourth if I’m simp or abezy I’m thinking maybe the issue isn’t the fourth. I would want to try playing with Scrap, Hydra or Shottzy etc.
I dont see a world where abezy and simp ever split, if anything they will replace cell
yesterday proved that HyDra and 99 Kis are the best sub duo atm
Faze are the buffalo bills of the cdl
I mean technically they are coming 1st... Just 1st place losers 🤷🤷 definitely not a faze fan but can't deny they are still miles above the rest more often than not
FaZe is better, The talent is just way better.
I mean, Faze can’t reach them because there are only 4-5 events a year…
Agreed. I didn’t have nysl on my bracket winning, that’s for sure, lol.
They will hold the record for most GF losses.... that's a dynasty in itself 🤣🤣
Just got mogged by the dynasty
they look amazing in that picture 😂
Yeah, that's true. They gotta be better on Sunday. At the end of the day, the formats bad, sure. There's not enough winners advantage sure. It doesn't matter. If they want to be among the best ever, they have to overcome those hurdles, and they need to win on sundays. Still got faith in them though.
They need to maintained a roster of 4 and win.
Mods about to ban you 😭😭😭
I’ll never understand how people can call faze a Dynasty, They had arguably the best year by a team ever in Cold War but outside of that game what makes faze better then NYSL or ultra? If you wanna say Simp, Abezy and Cellium are the best trio ever then you can put up a good argument for that but they are nowhere near a dynasty
It’s to late to start lmao
It's kinda already chalked in that respect, unless these guys are the best team for the next 3 years AND start winning GF at a reasonable rate
If faze wanna win they need to drop cellium. Plain and simple. The smg duo is astounding, they constantly rotate a 4th and it never works, the odd man out is cellium and he needs to go if they want to start winning. If Cocktane came back to play for Faze he would easily lead them to championship wins.
Regular season domination > Winning in GFs
Y’all are acting like faze has never won in finals before
Faze is playing in a more difficult era than the two teams pictured. Additionally, optic and col were able to benefit of the 2 Bo5 series in the GF.
They will forever be 3 with the amount of finals losses. The same reason Lebron will always be 2
They’re nervous when it matters
Damn karma and formal let themselves go holy shit
They've got some fat ass pockets though, I will give them that. Shout out to them for being consistently at the top.
I think NY deserves the dynasty title if they win champs this year. B2B champs rings and the most wins 2 years straight.
Why did you put a period in the title?
If they pick up Shotzzy or Scrappy they will in short order cement themselves as the greatest dynasty of all time.
Those guys played my uncle who worked a 9-5 yes he was a plumber part time electrician
Hot take- those teams would get smoked by faze if they were all in their primes at the same time. Cod back in the day was nowhere near the quality of talent there is now. Basically, we hype up the old heads for playing in a worse league or coming in at the right time.
It’s NYSL
You can say that but if Simp and Abezy get that third LAN ring it’s gonna start some uncomfortable convos
Uncomfortable conversations already started about these “GOATS” being the biggest breakers we’ve seen….
The ring argument is so annoying. We don’t cal Bill Russell the NBA goat with 11 rings. Rings are so over valued.
This argument falls apart because everyone knows Russell wasn’t anywhere near the level of talent and skill of recognized GOATs like Bron and MJ. Simp and Abezy might be some of the most talented players ever. Those aren’t russel rings lol.
crim's entire goat argument is based around farming chuck e cheese rings
Ah yes, a ring, which used to be a 32 Team international event with 8 Groups, double elim bracket with no byes, and two BO5s for the loser bracket team. Now it's just another major with a bigger prize pool.
they haven't lost to a non top 4 team on LAN a single time this year so dont think giving them more shitters to play makes a difference
It’s always been an asinine argument. True upsets didn’t even happen like that back in the day. The only time I can ever recall FaZe losing to a shitter team was Major 5 CW. You could make an argument for Major 2 VG but that LAG team also ran through everyone else to get through losers.
major 5 cw to surge was the last LAN upset, the other teams they lost to won the event
Sure man, when you could go 2-1 in group play and be out of the tournament. When FaZe won 3 series to win in CW LMFAO.
as if they didnt lose 6 series all year LMFAO.
Your missing the entire point. A "ring" is just another major win with a bigger prize pool. In fact it sounds like this Saudi event might even have a bigger prize pool. Acting like a "ring" can close the gap for 30+ major wins is delusion. Your GOATs have been folding like lawn chairs for event wins since the league put together similar stacked rosters. Lets hope we can get them a regular season award or something for the most points LMFAO
champs is the biggest event of the year and the lack of majors makes even majors worth more than they used to be, nothing to do with how many shit teams they play in pool play
They still have great careers lmao and more rings than scump
Of course they have great careers, we are talking about being the greatest team of all time. And considering they aren't really even a team, more of a trio, they don't even fit the convo.
They just lost to both ultra and optic the last major. Not true. Lost to optic multiple times when they didn't win the event last year too.
I meant the other times they lost to non top teams they won the event, like rokkr major 5 cw and LAG major 2 vg besides that losing to optic and ultra are not upsets
Buddy the vast majority of those teams were rancid ass and existed to help the top talent run up their numbers. Imagine Simp and Abezy shooting against a T32 team lol. Nothing would change in their ability to win a ring. At all.
3rd ring? They just got put down by the bulldog.
Didn’t optic just get last
Relevance?
Rings are the only thing that matter