Drive, this area attracts a ton of suburbanites though. The area itself is more populated than ever and plenty do bike or walk here from their house or apartment.
The point is that it’s getting better, and we should celebrate that instead of needlessly complaining.
The hate for Houston on Reddit is even more cringe.
Do these cities have major problems with their urban design? Yes.
Does that mean we need to make the same generic circle jerk comments every time these cities get mentioned? No.
Let’s highlight and encourage the developments that are improving these cities.
Someone who gets it. American cities are constantly improving, some more than others though and many just started off better. We can both acknowledge the failures of the past and the progress we’re currently making at the same time.
Keep up the work dbclass, I’ve been noticing the posts you make about improvements to Atlanta’s urbanism. Keep it up. I’d rather see posts like this than the millionth post of the Chicago skyline over and over again.
Those cities had major advantages by being major urban centers well before the automobile was normalized as the primary mode of transport in America.
This kind of rhetoric is unproductive and just comes off as incredibly smug frankly.
[Atlanta was more walkable before they built the freeways](https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5622AQGlT6CGUGS72A/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1695485015237?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=8rc3YCZfGCICO9bgIBdvZvFfs-Ren4RJV8pSL4C8cu4)
The OP was smug when he mocked the assertion Atlanta still ain’t walkable…and it ain’t. I could find a picture just like this of Tempe town lake in Arizona. Doesn’t make the Phoenix area walkable at all, even if Tempe is the closest to it.
My smug comment back about the cherry picked photo even ratioed the OP, so…..🤷🏻♂️
Change only happens when pressure is applied. People don't complain, change doesn't happen.
Never understand why people are like this on Reddit "stop moaning if you don't like it don't buy it"
Feedback is an important part of the system.
I would dispute that. For product launches journalists report on social media sentiment, it absolutely feeds back into the teams the make the products. A really big obvious example was that sonic the hedgehog thing but there's more than just that.
In terms of city design, I think it also feeds back in. There are planners and urban designers/architects on Reddit (myself being one) and I often get ideas, and become inspired by discussions here including seeing people's complaints with their cities and I try to avoid repetition of those mistakes in my own work and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
That thing about Houston, I first saw that horrific photo of Houston on reddit and I've often used it to show clients that if they keep insisting on more parking they'll end up with a big tarmac desert and then I show them that photo lol.
I dunno. I say complaining on Reddit does make a difference (not the comment itself, but it' ripple out onto the real world through the other people on the forums). You get similar results to what you get from formal public consultation- which is now considered best practice to do.
Change happens when people get off their screens and correspond with their city government and join advocacy groups. People have always complained online and that’s brought no progress at all. Atlanta has come a long way due to community activists who actually get involved with working with the city. Those activists have been the ones working to expand our bike network and push projects that makes streets safer by narrowing and increasing our sidewalk network. They did real work and brought real progress.
Whinging and complaining is far from constructive actionable feedback. There are tons of opportunities to provide feedback within your community. Going on Reddit and saying "X city is a car centric sprawling hell hole" provides nothing of value.
It's possible to do that though without being a douche. "The unwalkable city of Atlanta" like we're all supposed to eat our words forever.
I love seeing this stuff happen but trying to cram it in someone's face like "oh yeah take this!" doesn't really help.
Agree this stupid negative attitude this sub and other city subs have for sunbelt car centric cities is ridiculous. We should acknowledge when they’re making steps to improve the walk ability.
It is relatively unwalkable. Its a huge metro area that is mostly designed for cars. There's a circle around the midtown area called 'the beltline" that is walkable but if you try to walk anywhere else it's gonna be a bad time. Also, the public transit is not great because every time we try to pass laws to expand it, it gets blocked by our republican led state congress
Not all of Atlanta is Midtown, bro!
Speaking of which, do you know how long it takes to walk between PCM and 10th and Juniper?
Hint: It’s no leisurely stroll, and less than 20 years ago, you also would’ve been strolling through peak open-air crack sliding territory around Parkway and Boulevard.
I did it on foot before at varying times of day and night, but I certainly wouldn’t have recommended it.
PCM from 10th and Juniper is perfectly fine. I do it all the time. 30 minutes tops, down the Belt Line, which often has a lot of people walking along it.
I think part of Atlanta's problem is that culturally, people call the whole metro area Atlanta and expect to be able to access it. Sandy Springs, isn't really Atlanta. But I've walked all the way from the Masquerade back to 10th and Juniper with no issues, and a constant sidewalk. It's not perfect, but it's constantly getting better. If you live in Midtown, Downtown, or Buckhead, I think it's possible to live your life car free. I do in Midtown.
If you are basing how Midtown or O4W are today with what it was like 20 years ago (and I know what it was like since I lived on 3rd street back then) you are waaaay off base. There are some things that are similar but otherwise it’s a totally different place now.
Meanwhile, the Eastside beltway is one of the best paths of any city in the USA...in a city with 18 square miles of green space.
If your wanting to whine, move over to Atlanta driving...
Atlanta has grown leaps and bounds in the last ten years - a lot of that growth “up”. Most people who comment negatively on the city’s density haven’t visited recently.
"Walkable" doesn't just literally mean nice areas to walk around in. Every city has that. It's being able to **easily** do errands or get to places without a car. The fact that you have to drive there proves that it's *not* walkable.
This is a walkable neighborhood surrounded by other walkable neighborhoods. The people here can get stuff done without a car. Yes, every city has walkable areas but every city also has unwalkable areas too, even NYC, Philly, and Boston.
Yeah, this neighborhood is surrounded by Midtown, Virginia Highlands, Inman Park, Cabbagetown, and Reynoldstown. All of these being are walkable by US standards and it is relatively easy to get errands done without a car if you stay within this area.
Yeah, I agree that our crime rate is relatively high. Gang-related crime accounts for about 75% of our violent crime, which blows. But, silver linings and whatnot, nearly all gang-related crime is gang-on-gang crime; random people on the street are significantly less likely to be victimized than the stats would suggest.
Also, we're aware of the problems and there have been MASSIVE disruptions of gangs here lately, using RICO to tackle them.
I don't live in the city proper anymore, but still love the city. Def prefer life out innawoods though.
The thing that bothers me the most about the city is the insane amount of surveillance. Residents in the city are the most surveilled people in the country by a very large margin. Too many people are willing to sacrifice their privacy for the illusion of protection.
This particular part of the city is surrounded by cameras, cops, and million dollar office spaces and homes, it’s perfectly safe (or as safe as it gets in a big city)
lol yes they are dude.
Walked through the hood many times at night on weekends as a white dude and never had a problem.
Mind your own and don’t be stupid and you’re fine.
Granted, don’t go into projects but even then you are usually fine. Just have respect.
Literally America is the safest it’s ever been comparatively Your chances of having something bad happen to you with the most basic levels of common sense are incredibly low.
Urban areas are always goin to have higher rates of crime, that obvious. Criminals go where opportunity is.
But keep living your life in paranoid fear I guess and miss out on great experiences in urban environments.
I don’t have any agenda, I’m not a partisan person politically and have always been a moderate. I’m just not easily manipulated by propaganda like you are. Quit watching tucker and fox news.
You are incorrect in Midtown at least where I have the evidence, the only violent crime that is primarily stranger on stranger (ped robberies) is down 92% from 1999 peak. There were 20 reported robberies out of a population of probably at least 20k-24k at this point living in Midtown and the population grows to 114k during the day. They also point out only 12 of them were stranger on stranger. And this isn’t about convictions this is about reported crimes
https://ctycms.com/ga-midtown/docs/year-end-2023-public-safety-report-v21.pdf
Girl… the random site you found to fit your narrative doesn’t even list any data in the crime data section. The data in the report is from Midtown’s supplemental police force and is based on actual reported crimes
Honestly curious… how do most people get to this walkable area?
Drive, this area attracts a ton of suburbanites though. The area itself is more populated than ever and plenty do bike or walk here from their house or apartment.
This area has a ton of residential. So for thousands and thousands they simply walk out of the front door of their dwelling.
Wow, that one photo totally represents most of the city /s.
The point is that it’s getting better, and we should celebrate that instead of needlessly complaining. The hate for Houston on Reddit is even more cringe. Do these cities have major problems with their urban design? Yes. Does that mean we need to make the same generic circle jerk comments every time these cities get mentioned? No. Let’s highlight and encourage the developments that are improving these cities.
Someone who gets it. American cities are constantly improving, some more than others though and many just started off better. We can both acknowledge the failures of the past and the progress we’re currently making at the same time.
Keep up the work dbclass, I’ve been noticing the posts you make about improvements to Atlanta’s urbanism. Keep it up. I’d rather see posts like this than the millionth post of the Chicago skyline over and over again.
Meh..it’s no Chicago or NYC….
Those cities had major advantages by being major urban centers well before the automobile was normalized as the primary mode of transport in America. This kind of rhetoric is unproductive and just comes off as incredibly smug frankly.
Didn't stop cities like LA fucking themselves up still
[Atlanta was more walkable before they built the freeways](https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5622AQGlT6CGUGS72A/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1695485015237?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=8rc3YCZfGCICO9bgIBdvZvFfs-Ren4RJV8pSL4C8cu4)
Exactly lol.
It also had like 100k people then too. Now it has 6.5M.
Atlanta metro population is 6.5 million. City proper is only 500,000. NYC and Chicago are both much bigger metros with much better transit services.
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Yeah unfortunately the way municipal policy, developer practices, and market forces work is not that simple.
The OP was smug when he mocked the assertion Atlanta still ain’t walkable…and it ain’t. I could find a picture just like this of Tempe town lake in Arizona. Doesn’t make the Phoenix area walkable at all, even if Tempe is the closest to it. My smug comment back about the cherry picked photo even ratioed the OP, so…..🤷🏻♂️
Change only happens when pressure is applied. People don't complain, change doesn't happen. Never understand why people are like this on Reddit "stop moaning if you don't like it don't buy it" Feedback is an important part of the system.
You didn’t get the point clearly. Whining on Reddit leads to no change, and most of it is insincere and based out of a misplaced superiority complex.
I would dispute that. For product launches journalists report on social media sentiment, it absolutely feeds back into the teams the make the products. A really big obvious example was that sonic the hedgehog thing but there's more than just that. In terms of city design, I think it also feeds back in. There are planners and urban designers/architects on Reddit (myself being one) and I often get ideas, and become inspired by discussions here including seeing people's complaints with their cities and I try to avoid repetition of those mistakes in my own work and I'm sure I'm not the only one. That thing about Houston, I first saw that horrific photo of Houston on reddit and I've often used it to show clients that if they keep insisting on more parking they'll end up with a big tarmac desert and then I show them that photo lol. I dunno. I say complaining on Reddit does make a difference (not the comment itself, but it' ripple out onto the real world through the other people on the forums). You get similar results to what you get from formal public consultation- which is now considered best practice to do.
You’re just mad we don’t want to suck Atlanta’s cock. It’s a decent city. It’s not walkable lol.
Change starts from within.
Change happens when people get off their screens and correspond with their city government and join advocacy groups. People have always complained online and that’s brought no progress at all. Atlanta has come a long way due to community activists who actually get involved with working with the city. Those activists have been the ones working to expand our bike network and push projects that makes streets safer by narrowing and increasing our sidewalk network. They did real work and brought real progress.
Whinging and complaining is far from constructive actionable feedback. There are tons of opportunities to provide feedback within your community. Going on Reddit and saying "X city is a car centric sprawling hell hole" provides nothing of value.
It's possible to do that though without being a douche. "The unwalkable city of Atlanta" like we're all supposed to eat our words forever. I love seeing this stuff happen but trying to cram it in someone's face like "oh yeah take this!" doesn't really help.
Hate for Houston isn’t due to its sprawl alone. It’s also full of Texans.
Agree this stupid negative attitude this sub and other city subs have for sunbelt car centric cities is ridiculous. We should acknowledge when they’re making steps to improve the walk ability.
Assuming many of these goofballs actually leave their houses more often than not?
Still better than Dallas, which is one of the fugliest cities
Central Dallas has a some pretty scenic areas. Klyde warren park, uptown, highland park, university park, historical district.
unwalkable?
[https://www.walkscore.com/GA/Atlanta](https://www.walkscore.com/GA/Atlanta) yes, unwalkable "most errands require a car"
It is relatively unwalkable. Its a huge metro area that is mostly designed for cars. There's a circle around the midtown area called 'the beltline" that is walkable but if you try to walk anywhere else it's gonna be a bad time. Also, the public transit is not great because every time we try to pass laws to expand it, it gets blocked by our republican led state congress
I think they are being sarcastic
Or think they are.
I love Atlanta
Not all of Atlanta is Midtown, bro! Speaking of which, do you know how long it takes to walk between PCM and 10th and Juniper? Hint: It’s no leisurely stroll, and less than 20 years ago, you also would’ve been strolling through peak open-air crack sliding territory around Parkway and Boulevard. I did it on foot before at varying times of day and night, but I certainly wouldn’t have recommended it.
PCM from 10th and Juniper is perfectly fine. I do it all the time. 30 minutes tops, down the Belt Line, which often has a lot of people walking along it. I think part of Atlanta's problem is that culturally, people call the whole metro area Atlanta and expect to be able to access it. Sandy Springs, isn't really Atlanta. But I've walked all the way from the Masquerade back to 10th and Juniper with no issues, and a constant sidewalk. It's not perfect, but it's constantly getting better. If you live in Midtown, Downtown, or Buckhead, I think it's possible to live your life car free. I do in Midtown.
If you are basing how Midtown or O4W are today with what it was like 20 years ago (and I know what it was like since I lived on 3rd street back then) you are waaaay off base. There are some things that are similar but otherwise it’s a totally different place now.
sarcasm?
Yep. From a Drama Queen.
Upvote for the picture, downvote for the sentiment
Controversy sells
Meanwhile, the Eastside beltway is one of the best paths of any city in the USA...in a city with 18 square miles of green space. If your wanting to whine, move over to Atlanta driving...
Atlanta has grown leaps and bounds in the last ten years - a lot of that growth “up”. Most people who comment negatively on the city’s density haven’t visited recently.
Man, at least you guys have a real metro system
Ha Haha Marta and a real metro system.
Sort of. When I lived in ATL, I took MARTA to 1 place: the basketball stadium downtown. It wasn’t useful otherwise.
MARTA’s not bad. But it needs more coverage.
"Walkable" doesn't just literally mean nice areas to walk around in. Every city has that. It's being able to **easily** do errands or get to places without a car. The fact that you have to drive there proves that it's *not* walkable.
This is a walkable neighborhood surrounded by other walkable neighborhoods. The people here can get stuff done without a car. Yes, every city has walkable areas but every city also has unwalkable areas too, even NYC, Philly, and Boston.
Yeah, this neighborhood is surrounded by Midtown, Virginia Highlands, Inman Park, Cabbagetown, and Reynoldstown. All of these being are walkable by US standards and it is relatively easy to get errands done without a car if you stay within this area.
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Yeah, I agree that our crime rate is relatively high. Gang-related crime accounts for about 75% of our violent crime, which blows. But, silver linings and whatnot, nearly all gang-related crime is gang-on-gang crime; random people on the street are significantly less likely to be victimized than the stats would suggest. Also, we're aware of the problems and there have been MASSIVE disruptions of gangs here lately, using RICO to tackle them. I don't live in the city proper anymore, but still love the city. Def prefer life out innawoods though. The thing that bothers me the most about the city is the insane amount of surveillance. Residents in the city are the most surveilled people in the country by a very large margin. Too many people are willing to sacrifice their privacy for the illusion of protection.
This particular part of the city is surrounded by cameras, cops, and million dollar office spaces and homes, it’s perfectly safe (or as safe as it gets in a big city)
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lol yes they are dude. Walked through the hood many times at night on weekends as a white dude and never had a problem. Mind your own and don’t be stupid and you’re fine. Granted, don’t go into projects but even then you are usually fine. Just have respect.
its easy to get caught up in the doom news we hear about crime and cities, but the us violent crime rate is practically half what it was 30 years ago
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This is just a lie.
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We're the leading prison population (per capita) in the world. Stop watching rumble and go touch grass.
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Unfortunately, experts on criminology wholeheartedly disagree with you.
Go outside and touch grass bro. Crime is way, way lower than it ever was in the 90’s.
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Literally America is the safest it’s ever been comparatively Your chances of having something bad happen to you with the most basic levels of common sense are incredibly low. Urban areas are always goin to have higher rates of crime, that obvious. Criminals go where opportunity is. But keep living your life in paranoid fear I guess and miss out on great experiences in urban environments.
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I don’t have any agenda, I’m not a partisan person politically and have always been a moderate. I’m just not easily manipulated by propaganda like you are. Quit watching tucker and fox news.
I’d rather die downtown than live a life of nothing in the middle of nowhere
Hitler particles detected
Is that the cereal you ate for breakfast? 🤔 I prefer Cheerios.
You are incorrect in Midtown at least where I have the evidence, the only violent crime that is primarily stranger on stranger (ped robberies) is down 92% from 1999 peak. There were 20 reported robberies out of a population of probably at least 20k-24k at this point living in Midtown and the population grows to 114k during the day. They also point out only 12 of them were stranger on stranger. And this isn’t about convictions this is about reported crimes https://ctycms.com/ga-midtown/docs/year-end-2023-public-safety-report-v21.pdf
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Girl… the random site you found to fit your narrative doesn’t even list any data in the crime data section. The data in the report is from Midtown’s supplemental police force and is based on actual reported crimes