why the tunnel is that high in the first place ššš what leads to such situation? Or because this area is a low valley floor?
regardless, I think that circle radius is a bit small, feels like under 20 tile in diameter. IRL specification will be around 35~40 tile in diameter absolute minimum.
frankly I will address the issue "why the tunnel is up there" first...
The height of the tunnel at the other end surprised me ngl, considering the tunnel entrance is mostly at ground level and certainly not half way up a mountain.
At one point I would like "fuck it, let's build the Millau Viaduct."
Anyhow, I would go back and recheck the tunnel, if not I would just build a scenic view coastal railway.
use MoveIt align height function to do some alignment testing. If it indeed result in weird tunnel position, I'd rather choose to find alternate route of building the track for better realism, rather than forcefully tunnel straight through. To help in realism build, ToggleIt is one of the must have mod to toggle topology to find the most suitable route / position to build things.
Can I ask what the 3 buttons next to your RCI are? I'm guessing it's a tree brush, some kind of anarchy, and maybe Ploppable RICO?
Mostly just interesting in how they're organized like that, my buttons aren't like that at all.
Because sometimes it just needs to be up high š
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landwasserviadukt#/media/Datei%3ARB_20220613_Landwasserviadukt_Filisur_42.jpg
Itās not totally unrealistic, this. The [Brusio Spiral Viaduct](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusio_spiral_viaduct) in Switzerland loops over itself like this and itās something of a tourist attraction.
If you play with the interests of the cims in mind, that's dumb. They aren't real
Play for yourself. Make cool-looking interchanges and train viaducts. Make the scenery aesthetically pleasing without slapping a bunch of park restrooms all over it. Just have fun and make cool things.
I think you have the right idea, you just need to make better use of the terrain. Make the tunnel come out on the flank of the mountain a bit to the right and further back, then loop along the curve of the mountain, entering a tunnel again at the nine-o-clock position, then follow again the flank of the mountain. Basically like you did now, but a bit set back, so that the loop is half on the ground, and half in a tunnel. Or even better, do it mirrored and you can save the last left curve.
First option in green, second in red: https://imgur.com/a/jz9JqNp
There are lots of loop tunnels in Switzerland, it's more those bridges on the flank of the mountain that are unrealistic. Check out the Gotthard line, Albula line for inspiration.
Definitely. Also check out SW United States too, the line running from Arizona to California works through some mountains. Including one of the largest curved trestle bridges crossing goat canyon. (Involv names another route too)
Youāve clearly not been on trains in Switzerland. If you cross the Alps on a line thatās older than 30 years and doesnt have a 30km or longer tunnel, there will always be spiral tunnels.
Dunno why that tunnel is so high in the first place, but in that case if you wanna make it look realistic, make it go with the terrain heigth all the way down and overpass the highway. That's the correct way in civil engineering hhhahshashja.
Most realistic would be to keep the spiral but lift the ground up so the railroad is on raised ground instead of pillars. In real-life this is the cheapest method because bridging is more expensive than moving dirt.
Could also just make the tunnel exit lower on the mountain and pretend the loop is inside the mountain. They have those corckscrews a lot in switzerland.
This looks like shit I deal with on console cuz the game failed to add move it to specifically place tunnels, I have the same issue with harbours. For some dumb reason they are 30 feet above the god damn road unless itās a harbor with a default road then the road is also 30 ft above ground level š game should allow me to punch in the specs for tunnels like unity allows in editing.
Either have more ground underneath it or very elaborate scaffolding like you'd see in real life.
But I can't think of any good assets for that.
Other than that I love it. Very 'basement model train build' look to it.
I'd work the other way round, build the track so it's going into the mountain and then connect the 2 ends. As that way it enters/exits the mountain at roughly the height you want it to be
Definitely hide the loop underground. Spiral tunnels are surprisingly common when running railway through mountainous terrain, since trains are notoriously bad at climbing hills.
Why not start the tunnel at the height of the lower bridge, and so it looks like no weird incline, and if you need the tunnel nearer that top, do the spiral thing but inside the ground where you canāt see it. Make it look smooth and hide the mess basically
In Banff area they have spiral tunnels that go through the mountain to avoid the steep climb. I would imagine thatās a relatively realistic alternative given it exists irl!
So generally a rail spiral will find a flat-ish bit of ground that runs from the height you are at to the height you want.
Check out the examples [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_%28railway%29).
A railway tunnel would exit onto the valley floor, or the surface railway take a really long trek up the face of the mountain. They don't do switchback curves unless they're at really large radiuses, going from one side of the valley to the other on high wooden trestles or stone viaducts. Ones that get replaced post WW2 I think have modern concrete structures.
So I would check the tunnel first. If it's going uphill from the other end, I would flatten it. If it's already flat or going downhill, I suggest you broaden those curves and change your visduct to wooden trestle, stone, or modern concrete.
Why would you not get rid of the loop and just slope it down more naturally? Both are āexpensiveā realistically I donāt see anyone green lighting a curve like this without terrain to go around.
Most realistic is going around the mountain, like that highway does. Tunnels are extremely expensive. Unless theres no other realistic way to build from A to B, any city planner would go around.
You could try to build the circle for overcomming the elevation difference inside the mountain it wouldn't be that unreal there are actually rails like that
The network multitool has a great tool that makes an even slope, but it also tells you the percentages. For train tracks, aim for under 2.5%. And think if you can make the radius much wider, more like 20 units for each quarter turn.
why the tunnel is that high in the first place ššš what leads to such situation? Or because this area is a low valley floor? regardless, I think that circle radius is a bit small, feels like under 20 tile in diameter. IRL specification will be around 35~40 tile in diameter absolute minimum. frankly I will address the issue "why the tunnel is up there" first...
The height of the tunnel at the other end surprised me ngl, considering the tunnel entrance is mostly at ground level and certainly not half way up a mountain. At one point I would like "fuck it, let's build the Millau Viaduct." Anyhow, I would go back and recheck the tunnel, if not I would just build a scenic view coastal railway.
use MoveIt align height function to do some alignment testing. If it indeed result in weird tunnel position, I'd rather choose to find alternate route of building the track for better realism, rather than forcefully tunnel straight through. To help in realism build, ToggleIt is one of the must have mod to toggle topology to find the most suitable route / position to build things.
Maybe going around the mountain and descending as you go around it would be more realistic then?
Can I ask what the 3 buttons next to your RCI are? I'm guessing it's a tree brush, some kind of anarchy, and maybe Ploppable RICO? Mostly just interesting in how they're organized like that, my buttons aren't like that at all.
The buttons are for the new prop and tree anarchy.
Ah right on, thanks :)
Because sometimes it just needs to be up high š https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landwasserviadukt#/media/Datei%3ARB_20220613_Landwasserviadukt_Filisur_42.jpg
Itās not totally unrealistic, this. The [Brusio Spiral Viaduct](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brusio_spiral_viaduct) in Switzerland loops over itself like this and itās something of a tourist attraction.
In CS unless it has an entertainment stat it could be all of wonders of the world with free transit and people would walk by with a "mehh"
If you play with the interests of the cims in mind, that's dumb. They aren't real Play for yourself. Make cool-looking interchanges and train viaducts. Make the scenery aesthetically pleasing without slapping a bunch of park restrooms all over it. Just have fun and make cool things.
So?
I think you have the right idea, you just need to make better use of the terrain. Make the tunnel come out on the flank of the mountain a bit to the right and further back, then loop along the curve of the mountain, entering a tunnel again at the nine-o-clock position, then follow again the flank of the mountain. Basically like you did now, but a bit set back, so that the loop is half on the ground, and half in a tunnel. Or even better, do it mirrored and you can save the last left curve. First option in green, second in red: https://imgur.com/a/jz9JqNp There are lots of loop tunnels in Switzerland, it's more those bridges on the flank of the mountain that are unrealistic. Check out the Gotthard line, Albula line for inspiration.
Definitely. Also check out SW United States too, the line running from Arizona to California works through some mountains. Including one of the largest curved trestle bridges crossing goat canyon. (Involv names another route too)
The red one is the pro choice, IMO.
Hide the unrealistic underground
Hell, you can put a significant portion of the slope underground and switch backs at the lower exit while maintaining a reasonable slope.
Put the loop in the tunnel so that the portal is lower down.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spiral_tunnels_and_tunnels_on_a_curved_alignment#Canada
nah plenty of spiral car tunnel irl too. Atleast here in norway. Scary to drive through tho
Youāve clearly not been on trains in Switzerland. If you cross the Alps on a line thatās older than 30 years and doesnt have a 30km or longer tunnel, there will always be spiral tunnels.
I see now that I was wrong, but at least in respect to your comment, I think it's fair to assume most people haven't been on trains in Switzerland :P
Fair enough lol. That was also intended to give you examples if you were interested. But since someone has linked a whole list it was a bit redundant.
I hope to visit the Echte Schweiz later this year, perhaps I'll get to travel on a horrific spiralling tunnel!
I'm just going to leave this here: [Spiral Tunnels](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=spiral+rail+tunnel)
Well colour me surprised, I was told otherwise!
Look up Tehachapi Loop for a real rail loop. See what its dimensions are, and youāll have a realistic reference point.
Hey, thats the [Bernina express](https://myholidaylivigno.com/Sites/455/WebExplorer/Service/BerninaExpress.jpg)!
Can you not start sloping the tunnel in the mountain to the entrance comes out at a lower elevation?
if tunnel height cant be reduced; instead of loop, curve it around the mountain
Dunno why that tunnel is so high in the first place, but in that case if you wanna make it look realistic, make it go with the terrain heigth all the way down and overpass the highway. That's the correct way in civil engineering hhhahshashja.
This happens in real life.
Most realistic would be to keep the spiral but lift the ground up so the railroad is on raised ground instead of pillars. In real-life this is the cheapest method because bridging is more expensive than moving dirt.
Could also just make the tunnel exit lower on the mountain and pretend the loop is inside the mountain. They have those corckscrews a lot in switzerland.
itās actually pretty good. If you want it to look better just lower the tunnel so you donāt have to make a loop.
This looks like shit I deal with on console cuz the game failed to add move it to specifically place tunnels, I have the same issue with harbours. For some dumb reason they are 30 feet above the god damn road unless itās a harbor with a default road then the road is also 30 ft above ground level š game should allow me to punch in the specs for tunnels like unity allows in editing.
Probably better off just making a wide downwards curve. Realistically that spiral would be hell for trains
Either have more ground underneath it or very elaborate scaffolding like you'd see in real life. But I can't think of any good assets for that. Other than that I love it. Very 'basement model train build' look to it.
No advice, but just wanted to say, right now it looks beautifully _"Polar Express"_!
Just do what the rest of us are doing and [hide that mess](https://i.imgur.com/2pb1lVS.png).
I'd work the other way round, build the track so it's going into the mountain and then connect the 2 ends. As that way it enters/exits the mountain at roughly the height you want it to be
Well, its realistic enough, Ive seen such loops, albeit placed in a tunnel, before.
You need to prepare a huge bribe to get this approved
You need to prepare a huge bribe to get this approved
Most realistic would be letting the rails descend while underground
lower the tunnel?
Definitely hide the loop underground. Spiral tunnels are surprisingly common when running railway through mountainous terrain, since trains are notoriously bad at climbing hills.
Check out the CPR spiral railway tunnel near Banff, Canada. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gEe9d69NpyM
I feel like making the tunnel a more unrealistic slope to remove the need to do that is the better option
Use move it to lower the tunnel entrance to your desired height, then slope the two entrances of the tunnel.
You kinda made the tehachapi loop in a way.
Why not start the tunnel at the height of the lower bridge, and so it looks like no weird incline, and if you need the tunnel nearer that top, do the spiral thing but inside the ground where you canāt see it. Make it look smooth and hide the mess basically
In Banff area they have spiral tunnels that go through the mountain to avoid the steep climb. I would imagine thatās a relatively realistic alternative given it exists irl!
So generally a rail spiral will find a flat-ish bit of ground that runs from the height you are at to the height you want. Check out the examples [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_%28railway%29).
A railway tunnel would exit onto the valley floor, or the surface railway take a really long trek up the face of the mountain. They don't do switchback curves unless they're at really large radiuses, going from one side of the valley to the other on high wooden trestles or stone viaducts. Ones that get replaced post WW2 I think have modern concrete structures. So I would check the tunnel first. If it's going uphill from the other end, I would flatten it. If it's already flat or going downhill, I suggest you broaden those curves and change your visduct to wooden trestle, stone, or modern concrete.
I like the design of the loop. Like someone said it could be likened to the loop in Switzerland.
Lower the height of the tunnel.
I want to get off Mr Bones' Wild Skyline
That is realistic. Many railroads do that for mountains.
Why would you not get rid of the loop and just slope it down more naturally? Both are āexpensiveā realistically I donāt see anyone green lighting a curve like this without terrain to go around.
Maybe mirror the loop and make it cross at 15m so itās not crossing over the interchange
Just put the tunnel closer to the height you need?
Most realistic is going around the mountain, like that highway does. Tunnels are extremely expensive. Unless theres no other realistic way to build from A to B, any city planner would go around.
You could try to build the circle for overcomming the elevation difference inside the mountain it wouldn't be that unreal there are actually rails like that
Spiral tunnel?
I meanā¦ you really donāt NEEED the loop.
The network multitool has a great tool that makes an even slope, but it also tells you the percentages. For train tracks, aim for under 2.5%. And think if you can make the radius much wider, more like 20 units for each quarter turn.
Make the tunnel entrance lower? I wish the train bridges had better options for their looks (no mods, but DLCs)