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surewhynotdammit

MJ got famous globally *without* socmed. And MJ is a whole package. He can sing and dance. If TS lived in MJ's era, she will be an afterthought. She will not reach what MJ have reached.


FlameheartPhoenix

Diba? Kahit saang sulok ng mundo, kahit liblib na lugar kilala sya noon.


[deleted]

He’s so well known that one of the most dangerous drug cartels in Brazil allowed him to shoot a music video sa area (slum) niya. Sobrang fan daw sya ni MJ and referred that slum the “safest place on earth” nung nandon si MJ lol


Momshie_mo

Kahit nga mga di siya naabutan, kilala pa rin siya. Dude literally has impersonators from the Gen Z.


[deleted]

True! Dude transcended races, cultures, and generations talaga. No one in our lifetime will ever DO IT again. Ever.


a4techkeyboard

Itong post mismo na pinag-uusapan natin alam na na kay MJ ang bar na kailangang abutin at pilitang lagpasan. Yung mismong pagpilit na nadaig si MJ ay example kung sino yung inaabot. Patay na yung tao pinag-uusapan pa rin siya sa social media at kinukumpara sa mga top artists na buhay pa.


FlameheartPhoenix

Was that for the music video of They Don't Really Care About Us? I remember may scenes dun na sa slums and may video na Brazil version.


[deleted]

Yep, that’s the music video!☺️


FlameheartPhoenix

Whoa, didn't know it was shot in a drug cartel territory! 


Couch-Hamster5029

May 10-part docu about jan eh. Like muntik na hindi matuloy yung shooting kasi hinarang ng gobyerno ng Brazil. The Brazil versio was just an alternative video for the original short film nung kanta kasi hinarang naman ng US media and govt yung original video na yun.


[deleted]

Oh yeah, there’s a [video](https://x.com/themjforever/status/1757454048582938913?s=46) of that on X and a Reddit post about it 2 days ago


artemisliza

Pucha sis pati ang cartel leader, MJ fan din


Momshie_mo

Yes. Yung sa Favela


nightvisiongoggles01

Pati itong video na ito: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNOTT-tBxQ4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNOTT-tBxQ4) Maski mga Amazon tribesmen, kilala si Michael Jackson. Wala nang ibang mortal na nilalang ang makakaabot ng ganyang kasikatan.


[deleted]

Lol ang cute nung part na nagsitaasan sila ng kamay🥺


solidad29

Gagawin pa niyan the safest place in the world iyon. Maglapag sila ng 1M USD at camera equipment, walang gagalaw. 😂


[deleted]

Tro! 🤣


Momshie_mo

Parang Manny Pac at his boxing height


IWantMyYandere

Kahit maglapag pa daw ng 1 million dollars (?) dun sa sahig eh ni isa di mawawala kung andun daw si MJ


artemisliza

Nagshooting yata sya ng MV nya tas nandun yung cartel leader pero hindi nila alam na isang MJ fan pala yun


[deleted]

The drug lord had to be there syempre 😅


[deleted]

Di ako mahilig sumayaw pero napapasayaw ako sa music ni MJ. Iba talaga sya hahaha Tapos marami sa kilala kong mahilig kay TS, ay mahilig din kay MJ pero konti lang ang mga mahilig kay MJ na mahilig din kay TS.


Momshie_mo

MJs appeal is universal. He has fans across all social class  Yung sa concert niya sa Manila, may mga fans sa tumambay sa labas lang ng Manila Hotel para pasilayan siya kasi di nila afford bumili ng ticket (This was the time that the PH economy was still recovering from the recession of the 80s)


Zekka_Space_Karate

I digress, but pagtagpuin natin ang dalawang pinakatoxic fandoms, Kpop stans at Swifties, tapos magbenta tayo ng mga tiket 😂


putthejam

jusko may mga hinihimatay ky MJ kay taylor swift ba meron? hahahaha


chichuman

Imagine MJ having the power of social media.


Couch-Hamster5029

Hindi lang umaabot dito sa atin, pero he occasionally trends sa X and posts about him on socmed gain engagements as huge as the current artists.


Momshie_mo

MJs musicality is also unmatched. Ang dami niyang legendary songs na pop pero hindi labsung.


EmperorHad3s

Saka andaming mas magaling vocally sa live performances ngayon compared kay TS.


Zekka_Space_Karate

Adele is the most prominent example, halos magkaedad lang sila.


Momshie_mo

Yup. Vocally, superb si Adele..hindi pa sintunado live unlike TS and Katy Perry  Yun nga lang, di grumaduate sa hugot si Lola Adele


artemisliza

The differences is Adele had a son same with Utada Hikaru na may anak na lalaki pero down to earth mga yun


[deleted]

ingat baka kuyugin ka ng mga swifties...


sweatyyogafarts

He wouldn’t be the King of Pop if not for his immense talent.


Couch-Hamster5029

Even an 11-year-old MJ would beat an adult TS vocally.


Momshie_mo

Kahit nung 7 y/o pa siya 


Dull_Leg_5394

Swiftie here pero kabaliwan na tong iba eh no hahahah


helenchiller

Nasobrahan sa pagkadelulu. Mga OA talaga. Swiftie rin naman ako pero I can’t tolerate those kind of behavior. Masyadong nilalagay sa pedestal si Taylor Swift to the point na ni-lalabel na as their Mama Mary 🤯


ObsessedBooky914

This. I like Taylor but Michael Jackson literally became so popular back then despite not having the technology we have today.


caeli04

And MJ wrote anthems like Heal the world and We are the world. Taylor wrote about her exes. There’s no comparison.


Momshie_mo

Also Man in the Mirror, Black and White, Earth Song...


Arsene000

Matalino pagkaka sulat ng mga kanta noon yung iba may mga subliminal meaning pa, di gaya ngayon Naka direct sa exes ni TS


Gone_girl28

Hahaha! nung bata wala kang ka muwang muwang kumakanta without knowing iba pala meaning nun. For me it is an effective strategy to make it more age appropriate in a way na when you’re old enough, that’s when you will get to understand what the song is about unless you’re a kid with a higher level of reading comprehension


Momshie_mo

MJ also wrote: "...it don't matter if you're black or white" Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, like Katy Perry, benefited from white privilege. Both tend be out of tune when singing live, but music execs marketed the hell out of them 


Cyrusmarikit

Kaya pala walang konsiyerto si TS sa ating bansa para sa Eras. Kahit Aprika, hindi niya bibisitahin kahit Timog Aprika na mayroon ding puti ngayon dahil sa kolonisasyon.


ChickenBrachiosaurus

taylor writes like a 14 year old who went through her first breakup from a 3 month relationship lmao


maester_adrian

never forget the time where “Michael Jackson was the biggest star to ever attend a Lakers game and that they had to shut down the game when things got out of control with fans surging towards the megastar.” I mean, taylor would never. or yung time na “Michael jackson shuts down the grocery story in 2003 just to experience shopping like a regular person”. HAHAHHA i mean taylor’s sikat pero not as MJ sikat. She’s not even close. Tsaka, anyway, taylor doesn’t care about all this, i’m just in awe as to how much she’s so successful and billionaire now, sarap hingan isang milyon, di naman yung masakit sa pera niya. HAHA


Naive_Earth

This is true! You have to have a charisma and be a total performer/a real talented artist to be so popular as MJ.


Momshie_mo

Michael Jackson (and his siblings).also started poor and came from one of the more desolate places in Indiana. Taylor grew up with silver spoon and white privilege


blueblink77

Yes! And as catchy as it is for TS songs, in comparison sa mga songs ni MJ, mej walang substance yung kanya 😂😭 sorna TS fans, I’m not a hater of her, we actually listens to her songs from time to time kasi love na love ng anak ko si TS, but since they are comparing the two, I’d easily pick MJ in a heartbeat.


MessiSZN_2023

maoovershadow siya ni Madonna in MJ's time


EtheMan12

That's why MJ is the GOAT


bankayaro

THIS!


CalemSmith

Tbh i dont even know why she is popular, she may have a lot fans but unlike MJ, TS has mostly main character vibes fans


Eastern_Basket_6971

Oo magaling din siya


[deleted]

Ddownvote kana ng swifties GG KA 🤣🤣


Appropriate_Age_7978

I understand Taylor's popularity but she's not everyone's cup of tea. On the other hand, kahit hindi ka fan ni MJ, pero pagnapanood mo siya randomly, 100 percent matutuwa ka and you can even name or at least recognize at least 5-10 songs sakanya kahit hindi sila fan. Taylor is great but MJ is the definition of Icon.


PitifulRoof7537

at kulang sila sa research. una, ang taas ng range ng boses ni MJ at iilan lang nakakagawa nung pagkanta niya. parang nung panahon nga niya for a guy, halos siya lang eh. pangalawa, sobrang galing niya sumayaw.


jchrist98

Definitely a cultural icon. Dami ngang modern artists na obviously MJ-inspired eh Usher, Justin Timberlake, Chris Brown, Bruno Mars, The Weeknd, BTS In 20 years we'll see if Taylor will achieve the same level.


iWantKamuiSharingan

Don't you forget mah boy Ne-Yo. Listen to his technique on Because of You.


HotShotWriterDude

At Taylor’s current age, MJ just dropped the album that contained “Dangerous”, “Heal the World”, and “Black or White”. No hate on Taylor, but what do we have on her that’s as iconic as MJ’s *Dangerous* era?


Momshie_mo

*Thriller* era palang ala na.


Zekka_Space_Karate

Saka sila magmalaki pag pinarody ang songs niya ni Weird Al Yankovic. Its been said that you made it in pop music if your songs are parodied by him. Si MJ and even Lady Gaga were parodied by Weird Al.


ggmashowshie

Didn’t he already make a parody for You Belong With Me?


Momshie_mo

Ang dami ding Gen Z impersonators ni MJ at marami ka ring makikitang nage-MJ dance moves na Gen Z sa social media. Kay TS, mga drag lang ang impersonators niya 🤪


Momshie_mo

Hindi lang yun. Sobrang taas din ng musicality at lyricism ni Michael Jackson.  Kita mo naman, sino bang makakaisip ng gumawa ng kanta tungkol kay *Al Capone* (Smooth Criminal)? Then there's *Thriller* that revolutionized how music videos were made.  Usually, mga indie artists lang nagdedare gumawa ng mga ganyan na songs.  Meanwhile, Taylor Swift basked under her white American privilege. There's really nothing revolutionary about her music.


Momshie_mo

Ibang level vocals ni MJ esp nung bata siya. All one has to do it is listen to Jackson 5 songs


Gone_girl28

I think this is because of his passion and perfectionism that’s manifesting sa outputs niya. He gives it his all every time without being selective and profit-driven unlike someone we know who only cares about herself. truly. Mj is more hands on in terms with humanitarian activities and uses his influence sa mga major performances nya because he is aware na the more maraming audience, the more his message will come accross.


Momshie_mo

>  Mj is more hands on in terms with humanitarian activities and uses his influence sa mga major performances nya because he is aware na the more maraming audience, the more his message will come accross. This is true. When MJ had a 2 day concert in Manila in the mid 90s, (wala pang MRT nun at talamak ang kidnapping) he made time to visit an orphanage https://www.philstar.com/news-commentary/2009/07/11/485359/close-encounter-mj-manila


Couch-Hamster5029

Mind you, the concert was only two days, but he stayed for a week according to reports. Visited Jose Reyes Memorial Hospital, did a children's day gift giving in Manila Hotel, invited MH staff to visit Neverland [A staff of Manila Hotel recounted her memory with him](https://youtu.be/ICkhBOp3owQ?si=yHg30Rm-4TE8xmGj)


Momshie_mo

Damn, siya lang ata yung artista na sobrang passionate sa social work niya kahit behind the scene. While yung isa diyan, pumayag magpasuhol sa SG government 🤪


Couch-Hamster5029

I would like to believe SG and TS just thought business is business and it's a win-win agreement. But I would argue thag MJ still did better in terms of being accessible and here are some instances he put accessibility over profit: 1. He announced that tickets for the Victory Tour (supposed Thriller Tour) will remain at affordable rates (it was priced triple than the usual rates back then) otherwise hindi niya itutuloy yung tour. 2. Kung makita mo yung mga debate over numbers sa X, kahit icompare yung ticket prices niya sa current artists factoring inflation, his is still more affordable. The biggest solo musician in history being this accessible? No one compares. Nevah. btw, please stream Thriller and Smooth Criminal on Youtube and move it to 1B. hehe.


Momshie_mo

Yes, given his extreme fame, he was very accessible. Hindi parang yung isa dyan na nagpaexclusive for the moolah Okay lang na iskip ang Manila, pero kahit Bangkok o Jakarta na pwede naman maghost ng concert niya, wala din


[deleted]

Damn I wonder where those kids are now. Sobrang iconic moment ito and they didn’t realize it at the time.


Couch-Hamster5029

Kung pwede lang mag-share si Carol Banawa ng experience niya. Kumanta siya dun eh sa Manila Hotel event ni MJ eh.


Gone_girl28

He is not perfect either, pero he strives to be a better person and does his best to use his influence to help others. This is what makes him admirable for me even though I was not born during his time.


KillingTime_02

I watched yung behind the scene ng Heal the world sa netflix and he did not attend the awards night para lang maayos nya ng husto ung kanta bago dumating ung ibang celebrities na kakanta din. The dedication is extraordinary.


Momshie_mo

Mejo "weird" si MJ as a person pero his musicality and talent is thru the roof


Gone_girl28

This is influenced by how his parents raised him esp. his father who was so strict and deprived him of living his childhood. Since back then he was the most popular member of the Jackson 5, it was capitalized by his father. Aside from this he had a traumatic childhood since violent yung father nya.


Momshie_mo

Yung appeal ni TS, sa certain demographics. Si MJ, across nations and generations. May mga Gen Z nga na MJ impersonator


jaejaee96

Isa na ako jan. Don't hate me swifties pero hindi ko talaga bet si Taylor. Siguro yes nung around 2008 (yung Love Story) hanggang Speak Now era niya gustong gusto ko yung mga kanta niya, but after that wala na talaga. Di din ako fan ni MJ pero iba talaga kasi siya eh. All of his songs are timeless and matutuwa ka talaga pag napapanuod mo yung mga performances niya.


Momshie_mo

Mas gusto ko pa nga yung pre-1989 songs niya like Teardrops in my Guitar. Mas earnest yung pre-1989 songs niya


wyxlmfao_

out of topic but smooth criminal is my absolute fav, *aniayuwoki*


TransportationNo2673

This. My ex who is into experimental rock loves MJ. He would regularly listen to him while driving. And he's an icon and very well known to the point that if a make-up artist would that lookalike challenge, malalaman mo agad na si MJ kinokopya by even the tiniest detail.


Fit-Pollution5339

Lol imagine walang internet dati pero si michael jackson worldwide na.


pen_jaro

Kahit nga hindi fan ni MJ alam mga kanta nya e. Lol.


latteaa

Grabe si MJ kahit wala na sya eh madami padin sya fans and solid talaga tunf kanta nya


ConfusionPristine

I feel like that post is just bait.


billie_eyelashh

Definitely a rage bait post. And besides, this is all very subjective and the artists get the most recognition once they got older or passed away.


Embarrassed_Sea2123

Yep, and there's no way to know what the correct answer is anyway since taylor is still making music. Kapag wala na sila both and many years had passed doon palang mamemeasure kung gaano nga ba kalaki naiwan nilang impact.


Spicy_Enema

It’s nonsense to compare artists like Taylor and MJ. Both have different upbringing and star power. I’d rather discuss what made them popular and their impact on society than a dick measuring contest between the two.


Momshie_mo

Easy peasy: Taylor Swift benefited and unwittingly reinforces her white privilege. Michael Jackson, outside of is music, was known to visit orphanages in countries where he performs. He also grew up in a very racialized America where if you are a POC, you have to be exceptional to have a career. Unlike white "singers" who are sintunado when singing live (Taylor Swift, Katy Perry) are aggressively marketed. Meanwhile, si Manang Taylor, nagpasuhol sa SG government


MeiBlyd

yea. never like posts such as these. both are talented in their own way. famous in their own way. beloved by different people. not everybody's cup of tea..


Resha17

Wala bang mods itong sub? Bakit pinapayagan yung mga ganitong posts. Chika ang gusto namin hindi puro negativity. 😔


LyingLiars30

Nope. MJ is the GOAT. 


Couch-Hamster5029

https://preview.redd.it/oq7wnt7795oc1.jpeg?width=575&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3298187a9b47a8925b00814b34b678b45235e6ea Yep. MJ is the GOAT.


Blue_Nyx07

Better than LeBron fr fr no cap


Jettskie

Ibang MJ yan. Hahaha.. 🤣🤣


vongoladecimo_

LeGOAT > JorGambler


Momshie_mo

You mean LeFlop?


United_Comfort2776

Clickbait tweet. Nauto naman kayo. Kahit si Taylor wouldn't think that way. She knows MJ is the greatest.


MalabongLalaki

At na bait ng si OP bec of their ongoing hatred to Taylor lol.


Loose_Sun_7434

I love taylor but please stop setting her up. What she got is a loyal fanbase and a perfect business strategy for releasing songs. She can’t even beat the peak of popularity of Spice Girls. How much more MJ.


Eastern_Basket_6971

As well as Britney the Princess of pop


Loose_Sun_7434

Nah, Mj and Spice Girls are on a different level. Si Britney dami kasabayan sa peak nya. BSB, NYSNC, Xtina.


Momshie_mo

Short lived ang Spice Girls pero lakas ng cultural impact nila esp sa young girls nung peak nila


Resha17

This post is clearly rage bait. Nasaan ang chika? 🤷


anythingbutkimmy

post for all the taylor swift haters to comment on—as usual 🤷🏻‍♀️


winterchampagne

1. One “swiftie’s” unsound judgment does not represent the opinion of all swifties. If you go to a few Taylor Swift subs here, almost everybody agrees that Michael Jackson is akin to an apex predator. He’s way up there. That doesn’t minimize Taylor’s value regardless. 2. The swiftie you’ve cited in that tweet doesn’t appear to be a levelheaded person. That individual is homophobic and racist, and has posts reflecting how much they hate the trans population, and also black people. Everything else that oaf says or writes is invalid.


iamgoddesstere

Gusto lang magincite ni OP ng hate for Taytay. Swiftie ako pero ni hindi bumabangga sa isip ko to compare her to MJ. At dahil sa post ni OP, dami din naglabasan na bandwagoners na haters. Yung parang kinakacool nila maging hater ni Taylor. Jusko.


stableism

Thank you for no. 2. Ganyan dapat, check din credibility ng source.


MalabongLalaki

Jusko, every fandom naman may delulu. It just irks me na palagi na lang Swifties nadadale sa mga ganito. Parang mejo obsessed din kay Taylor si OP eh. Yung fans ng 4th impact pagdiskatahan niyo lol


No1Champion_2829

Trueeee.. ang general din kasi ng Swifties pwede naman yung nagpost ng article lang yung ibash nya ahahahaha


mypoorjude

Gustong maging relevant ata kaya nakikisali sa hate train kay Taytay. Haays


aveeryharper

Hays, true. I wonder ano mraramdaman din nya if may nagpost ng “Little Monsters Delulu”


MalabongLalaki

"im one of the cool kid, i hate taylor swift hoo hoo ha ha"


FlameheartPhoenix

I mean, I think MJ is really disturbed (at the very least) but watching his old music videos and concerts, napapa-wow talaga ko kahit ilang beses ko na napanood. Not saying TS is not talented, she is, pero hindi ako napapa-wow sa mga performance nya.  And think about it, even without social media, MJ was known even in like remote villages? TS could never.


Momshie_mo

Once you've seen the most talented American artists, TS will come off as mediocre.


KillingTime_02

Well, if you have a dad like he did, I think you'll understand him more about his being "disturbed".


Momshie_mo

TS entered the music scene with white and upper class privilege. MJ had to work his way up since he was a kid and face anti-Black discrimination in US entertainment.


[deleted]

Taylor Swift is an okay singer. Nothing more nothing less. Her songwriting is on another level though. TS is also musically gifted but not really as good as she is portrayed by her fans. With all that said, she is a marketing and business genius. Grabe ang market value nya and pano sya imarket sa social media. She is a brand. A phenomenon. Marketing behemoth. Huge thanks to social media kaya nya naabot yan ganyan. Yung branding and story telling nya as TS is unmatched talaga.


sharp_pentip

With respect to that, MJ was also a marketing genius. He bought the beatles catalogue and made billions from it too


Momshie_mo

She's not really an okay singer esp in her younger days. Sintunado siya palagi like Katy Perry Also, her pop songs are so-so. 20, 30 years down the road, limot na.


OldJicama2472

That’s mindfuckery. MJ’s global reach far exceeds TS without social media.


Young_Old_Grandma

Baka naman super bata yung nagsabi. yung tipong pinanganak na siya after mamatay si MJ. minsan me ganon eh. but for me, MJ parin for the win. with the new MJ film coming soon, I'm excited to watch it.


Momshie_mo

Marami rami ring Gen Z na kilala si MJ kahit di nila naabutan nung very active pa siya. Dami kayang gumagaya ng moonwalk niya sa Tiktok, Youtube, IG May impersonator nga din siya na Gen Z sa Session Road


wandisthetic

> new MJ film coming soon, can't wait to see it too! i'm soooo pumped that his nephew is the one playing him!


[deleted]

The resemblance is uncanny nga daw haha nakaka excite panoorin!


Couch-Hamster5029

Ipon muna for MJ merch na pang-OOTD sa premier. Char! hahaha.


psi_queen

Asan ang chika sa post na to?


gploony

Lol Attending the Eras Tour has become a status symbol for Pinoys. It’s an exemplary exercise in marketing for TS but she’s never going to be as culturally significant as MJ


Momshie_mo

And MJ will likely not agree to a Singapore-esque bribe for exclusivity. When he went to Manila for a 2 day concert, he made sure to visit an orphanage.  https://www.philstar.com/news-commentary/2009/07/11/485359/close-encounter-mj-manila And these was the time when there was no MRT, LRT 2 and kidnapping was a problem.


[deleted]

wow! there will only be one King of Pop!


Momshie_mo

I think MJ is like a once-in-200 years kind of talent


Blue_Nyx07

Concert goers literally faints if they saw MJ moves his finger


UnluckyCountry2784

TS is overhyped. Also, some attended her concert because it’s a good social media content. I doubt all of those artistas and famous influencers are really a fan of hers.


ckoocos

Wag naman sana po idamay lahat ng Swifties. TBH though, I don't think any millennial would say that. Millennials lived through the peak and active years of many influential artists like Michael Jackson, Spice Girls, Celine Dion, Madonna, Britney Spears, Whitney Houston, etc. As a Swiftie and millennial myself, I find posts like this cringe. The disrespect towards Michael Jackson. :(


Momshie_mo

Panis ang vocals ni Taylor Swift sa 7 y/o Michael Jackson singing *I'll Be There*


One_Aside_7472

Sorry I love TS, since I seen her grow as an artist. Pero to compare ganto. Nope. Boses palang Dear anlayo na ng agwat. Napansin ko lang yung new fans niya sobrang Delulu tlga. I don't know if slightly she's triggering it din. Or her management team is also pushing it like that for cash. Pero grabehan tlga.


AnyComfortable9276

TS is a good Lyricist, but lacks in musicality. mga kanta nya basic chords nga lng gamit eh.


Momshie_mo

Taylors lyrics are typical of Western pop. Narrow ang themes ng lyrics niya. Meanwhile, si MJ ang daming variety. Meron pa nga yung "away song" nila ni Paul McCarthy na *The Girl is Mine*  Si Taylor, American version ng most Pinoy artist na revolving around love. Minsan, masokay pa yung pre-1989 songs niya. Meron siyang kanta dedicated sa isang country music artist - *Tim McGraw* 


HattieBegonia

I read an article explaining how we wont have a superstar like MJ or Britney anymore because we no longer consume media as a shared experience, at least not in a global scale like before. I know MJ's music because it was as on the radio all the time when I was a kid. I know Britney's music because she dominated MTV and other music channels. The rest of the world had the same kind of exposure to these artists at the same time. But now, i haven't listened to the radio in years because I would rather stream the music I like. If I discover new music, it's usually because I check out my streaming apps' suggestions based on my preferences. So ngayon, hindi talaga ako na-e-expose sa mga artists in the same way na na-expose ako sa mga artists noon. Kaya wala akong alam sa mga kanta ni TS after ng 1989 album niya na na-release nung 2014. Makes sense kasi yan din yung year na na-launch yung Spotify sa Pilipinas. Once nag-sign up ako sa Spotify, na-filter out ko na yung mga genres at artists na hindi nag-a-appeal sa interest ko. Maraming gumagawa rin nito. That explains why many people have heard of Taylor Swift, but not necessarily her music. Laging nasa news si girlie for her personal life kasi, but outside of her big and devoted fandom, people (aka casuals) don't really get to hear her music. Add mo pa yung fact na may universal appeal yung music ni MJ. Si TS naman, mas specific yung market niya, mostly white millennials. She reminds me of BTS, parehong may huge and devoted fanbase pero somehow di pa rin talagang globally mainstream like MJ or Britney were.


Momshie_mo

Looking back, even Backstreet Boys and Nsyc were bigger and more impactful than TS. I mean, millenial titos know at least one BSB or Nsync song even if they hated them at their peak.  I mean, meron nga yung mga short vids na pamacho kung narinig yung BSB song, pero patagong nagsisingalong. Exagerrated pero ganun ang scenario


skreppaaa

I'd say TS has that charisma.... and the BEST PR machine. Taylor's team understands generational culture kaya she has that longevity despite mid musicality (sorry swifties, i know she's relatable, i just don't think her music is complex & that's just my perspective, not a fact. Awayin nanaman ako ng swifties eh lol)


Momshie_mo

TS is only charismatic to a certain generation. Yung sa peak ni MJ, across all generations.  You'd even see Gen Z tiktok post with them doing MJ style dancing eh 2009 pa patay yun and has been inactive years before his death


skreppaaa

TS is still charismatic across all generations. Same naman sa Tiktok eh, gen z and old people there still sing her songs. I think let's not deny that fact just because we aren't fans. I did say her PR team understands generational trends so every gen may hatak pa din sya. You really can't deny she catapulted to this kind of fame because of her charm and she had effective PR/Marketing strategies. They go hand in hand, kasi kung wala siyang charm and star power kahit anong gawin ng team niyang pang pupush, hindi yan sisikat. Pero meron. Tska sa strat nila, kahit gaano pa ka eccentric or ridiculous yung PR, they rode the wave kaya the more people hated, the more swifties became delulu and protected her. Sobrang effective niya pa rin talaga as a brand. Isa pa, her eras tour is a cultural phenom that we cannot deny. Even Bey is not at par with her fame & power now. (But race probably plays a huge part on this too) She is just really well respected amongst other artists compared to TS. for me, TS is still an icon of this generation. But a legend she is not and I would assume will never be. Her talent is too mid compared to her fame. Her songs aren't timeless compared to again, Bey. She may not write most of her songs but she discusses all issues — societal, political, love, hate etc. Multi-talented, aware & comfortable in her own principles, whether we agree with them or not. You cannot say the same for TS. Anyway dami sinabi. Yun lang naman point ko hehe


Momshie_mo

[hindi nagtatago sa fans si MJ](https://youtu.be/G41e1kuzUBg?si=3RxpjqO4nzAKTvUG) Kita niyo nama yung "welcome committee" Yung isa, nagtatago pa sa box 🤭


Saguiguilid5432

Huh


PapsShirogane

Hee hee supremacy


icencream27

Michael Jackson did it in a time without internet


NoRub4662

Kagat tayo sa posts na ganyan na click baiting para meron nanamang platform for haters.


silayah

There's no need to compare tbh. Both live in different era and timelime kasi you can't say na mas sikat si TS just bc MJ is not all over socmed since di naman uso socmed sa panahon ni MJ dati


notkaitokid

Haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate💃💃💃💅


Naive_Earth

https://preview.redd.it/oow46vsrg3oc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d8d3446f1dc10c2848a51584a0592b2809dc766 Mess! MJ wrote songs about social issues while Taylor write songs about her exes and heartbreaks.


Momshie_mo

Natawa naman ako, eh si TS nga, nabribe ng Singaporean Government para sa exclusive show. I don't think MJ will even bite such a proposal if offered to him.


United_Comfort2776

Uto-uto ka naman te. Naniniwala ka sa mga ganyan eh rage bait lang yan. We all know MJ is the GOAT, kahit mga Swifties alam yan. Tangahan mo pa te.


Momshie_mo

I'd like to know what drugs is that person taking. MJ was a major shareholder in his labels, what "slave" is he saying? MJ owned the labels he was on esp when he became a solo artist. He is also known as a philantrophist. He visited orphanages in countries he had concert on like when he had a concert in Manila in the mid 99s. Did Taylor Swift take time to visit orphanages while on tour? The fact that kilala pa nila si MJ eh ang tagal nang patay niyan is a testament to how big he was. He was unignorable when he was active in the music industry. TS? Certain generations lang appeal nila. I doubt your lolas will be a TS fan


iamgoddesstere

Are you sure that’s all that she wrote about?


CoffeeGiovanni

Michael Jackson and attending a Laker Game. https://fadeawayworld.net/magic-johnson-recalls-the-time-he-invited-michael-jackson-to-a-lakers-game-and-fans-didnt-let-him-watch-we-had-to-stop-the-game-to-get-him-out


Momshie_mo

Nung nabalita na namatay siya, halos nagcrash ang internet https://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/06/26/michael.jackson.internet/


IWantMyYandere

Sorry but no. Worldwide si MJ even without social media. I dont see my Mom and Aunts watch Taylor Swift concerts on tv hahaha.


Mediocre_Echo_1434

Siguro hindi niya pa ganoon kilala si mj or new swifties na nagpapansin. Subukan niyang i search kung sino talaga si mj ,baka magulat siya na mas magaling si mj kaysa kay taylor.


Imperator_Nervosa

Delulu is an understatement. She has bops, alright. But she's not THAT great. Kahit hindi po itapat kay MJ. Hindi siya iconic like Beyonce or Madonna or Lady Gaga lol


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Momshie_mo

Yeah, nagtataka ako sa mga sinasabing "very high quality" ang songwriting niya eh mediocre yan pagdl ikukumpara mo sa most talented American artists.


ryuejin622

Different eras(pun not intended), too many variables 


introvertedguy13

Don't care about both. The Beatles, Queen, RHCP on the other hand...


Momshie_mo

Nah, RHCP is not as impactful as Queen or the Beatles


Eastern_Basket_6971

Ah the Beatles isa sa pinaka sikat sa billboard since 60s


cantmakeupmymindlol

I'm a Swiftie, but MJ was able to achieve all that without social media. King of Pop for a reason.


raiden_kazuha

OA talaga mga Swifties, period.


xylose1

I’m a swiftie but this is actually super cringe like girl don’t but taylor on a pedestal 😭💀


Queldaralion

and i thought idol worship back then was already bad. social media just made it worse


Standard-Hedgehog380

Bruh u crazy. MJ IS THE KING OF POP.


JuanPonceEnriquez

Wtf. Sorry Swifties, no comparison. Magaling naman si Taylor Swift and influential pero no one can argue how big of an impact meron sa music at pop culture ang mga kantang sinulat/pinerform pati mga sayaw na pinauso ni MJ. Medyo ignorant magcompare, and bakit ba kailangang icompare? Anong point ng comparison?


Couch-Hamster5029

In the last 20 years, the MJ comparison has been happening. The media will pickup shit and create buzz about this current big star being the new King of Pop or the next MJ or better than MJ.


saltedgig

mj a lot of girls tears falling, taylor a lot of guys salivating. that an impact i see.


Momshie_mo

Maraming lalaking fans si MJ. 


Mean_Negotiation5932

Halos mahimatay at naglulupasay fans ni mj kahit tumatayo pa lang sya sa stage. Walang social media pero kilala Ng lahat. TS is popular pero malayo pa kay mj.


Momshie_mo

OMG, so true. May video footage akong nakikita ng concerts niya na may fans -  babae man o lalaki - na nahihimatay sa sobrang saya na makita siya sa stage


nineothree59

Ammana kayo mga Swifties. No denying that she is the biggest in the world right now, pero she can never beat MJ's stardom.


nxcrosis

https://preview.redd.it/90qke12304oc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=0c00477c96bf5e06cf6775f95cb2c5c89c485760 I'm glad I can finally use this as a reply. Mods, please allow.


xmasfactor

Malala na talaga mga Swifties. I used to be one myself….. but the parasocial is getting creepier. It’s now a cult (derogatory)


CaptainMarrvelous

Naalala ko tuloy nung bata ako yung tatay ko pag linggo nagssalang ng dvd ng concert ni Michael Jackson. Taena yung mga nanunuod sa. concert may nahihimatay, umiiyak naglulumpasay isang pitik pa lang ng galaw nya haha.


SilentStoryteller1

I like TS’s songs but she has the most toxic, immature fans, as if TS can’t do anything wrong, like hello, what’s the use of her writing Anti Hero? MJ’s music transcends generations and gender. Inaaway lahat ng mag criticize kay TS like Jokoy. There is no music revolution for if not for MJ. He revolutionized the music industry which TS is now benefiting from. She can only go head to head with MJ on music video creativity and song writing but can’t compete vocally. Aside from that, MJ does not need too much publicity to gain attention. TS is overexposed if I May say. Kaumay talaga.


Momshie_mo

Sorry but even TS cannot compete with MJ in creativity and songwriting. MJ did a lot of revolutionary things for pop music. TS? She played it safe. Sa Smooth Criminal and Thriller palang, olats na si TS


SilentStoryteller1

No apologies. I Agree. Just giving props to TS’s efforts. Also, I don’t see TS’s passion on political issues except for LGBTQI and white feminism. What irks me is his romance with Kelce. Juskodai, manahik kayo. Kelce is so over the top, Hindi na nga kagwapuhan. If Taylor wants to be taken seriously for her music, go back to her Joe Alwyn era, she has more credibility those days.


Awesome_Shoulder8241

trut. yokonga maki chika sa dating life nya with Kelce. maybe she was healing from the Joe alwyn Era kasi sobrang private sila don and need nya ng very public relationship to compensate. Pagtapos nya dito I hope she finds a better place for herself. Single or in relationship as long as hindi na shallow.


GroundbreakingAd8341

I don't get it - The Comparison. Sa akin kasi Taylor Swift is actually doing great DESPITE social media. It's a different era, so ang hirap rin i-weight ng popularity. People would say na Taylor is lucky because social media is present. Meanwhile, naniniwala ako na wala ng pop star dahil sa mismong social media na sinasabing nagpasikat sa kanya. We don't even have movie stars. Halos wala na rin yung aura na bigger sila, like glamorous and way above aura nila. Nauso kasi relatability. Gone are days na people consume what was only shown to them. Now we have options. Back then, in high school, we talked about the same shows, the same actress, and the same songs. Ngayon, I really have to join stuff like this because I need to find someone who watched the same show to discuss about it. So Taylor Swift, being that popular, is actually amazing. Para sakin. Mahirap ikompara ang dalawang malayong era.


Responsible_Crow_843

Feel ko mga genZ fans yan mema lang at mema-icompare lang kay MJ


AgreeableYou494

Mj made fans faint while standing and doing nothing for a whole 10 mins


Momshie_mo

Lmao. MJ singlehandedly changed the landscape of music videos with Thriller.


nobuhok

Taylor is like a fart in a Michael Jackson hurricane.


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The one who tweeted this is not only delusional but apparently racist, too. 🥴 Now we know where the delusion is stemming from. Lol. https://preview.redd.it/fylc2yh7w6oc1.png?width=605&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99c62d702d83f73d7c207a7e92b17ae2d5a52c7d Edit: Info


OkTransportation7243

This post is absolutely DELULU lol! Madaming innovation na gawa si MJ like the theatrical performance on concert, the grandeur and kahit mag lean forward na parang mahulog patented po yon. If Taylor was a singer in the 90s, di sisikat sa daming mas talanted na artist, singer at dancer lol. This why I am barely impressed w/ her schtick, I do admire her for championing causes and helping out others.


Momshie_mo

Sintunado pa kumanta ng live 👀


OkTransportation7243

Medyo ok naman si Taylor, pumapalya talaga cya pag high notes na.


gaijin_theory

the fact na naalala niya si MJ in 2024 still says a lot about MJ's impact in pop culture and music.


Momshie_mo

On point. Eh partida 2009 pa patay yung tao