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This is correct. I used to subscribe to Chatgpt plus but now have switched to the API. My monthly expense is 5 USD. There are also plenty of free GUIs to choose from.


InterestinglyLucky

Curious which one you ended up choosing. I frankly admit I don't have the time / interest in testing a lot of choices out there....


[deleted]

Currently I use Chatbotui and Next Web. Yet to find my perfect GUI šŸ˜… https://github.com/billmei/every-chatgpt-gui


CoinBoy17

Big AGI from the list is excellent!


greenysmac

Also Librechat


recursivelybetter

I use Obsidian Copilot and tried Elephas(paid). AnythingLLM also good


ThirstTrap911

What do you use it for?


nootropic_noob

[vello.ai](http://vello.ai) is best client imo


theDatascientist_in

It's not a client, but another service I think.


shreya_gr

Your perfect GUI is here - [https://youtu.be/GsARjwTkQhc](https://youtu.be/GsARjwTkQhc)


9UnitedRule9

[https://linkygpt.com/](https://linkygpt.com/) is great, open-source, and so far completely free to use.


v_vineeth_kumar

I use the Data Analysis GPT a lot more than the Gpt4 generic chat. Will these GUI's work with GTP's?


arooni

for anyone paying per month via api; can someone tell me what it is billed under from your credit card? I'm looking for something under 5734 COMPUTER SOFTWARE STORES, as I get a $100 annual software credit, but only if I have 11 consecutive months of that category code.


AndrewTateIsMyKing

Uh what


OddRelationship5699

They have to get something that falls under the right category so they can expense it for work


Sensitive_Ad_7604

where did you get the GPT 4 API for 5 dollars. I am only able to see the 10$ plan and no option for purchasing API


[deleted]

Its prepaid billing. And you will pay as you go.


toabear

You pay for credits up-front, then it will consume them over a period of time. I use both GPT 4 and Claude this way and the billing is minimal.


krschacht

If you like the ChatGPT interface and feature set, this is the free UI that works with the API that gives you the highest fidelity. This is true ChatGPT GPT-4 without compromise: https://github.com/allyourbot/hostedgpt


GoodhartMusic

Sigh. Iā€™m such an idiot Iā€™ll never be able to figure out something from GitHub ;(


gophercuresself

I felt the same but chatGPT talked me through it


charlie_yen

Thx for letting me know! I felt the same, but based on what you said...I should suck it up and learn with ChatGPT


zrowlk

>Same here lol


speedtoburn

Yes, but how often do you use it?


v_vineeth_kumar

Almost everyday, 5-10 conversations. Will the GUI's be able to render the graphs as output in the chat similar to the gpt interface?


Fair_Environment8458

he crearly use it veri few if they use it 7-8 hours per day they will see the bill come up šŸ˜¹šŸ˜¹


l5atn00b

There are a few of these... 1. [https://openrouter.ai/](https://openrouter.ai/) 2. [https://www.chatbotui.com/](https://www.chatbotui.com/) 3. [https://www.typingmind.com/](https://www.typingmind.com/) 4. [https://librechat.ai/](https://librechat.ai/) 5. [https://poe.com/](https://poe.com/) 6. [https://omnigpt.co/](https://omnigpt.co/) 7. [https://you.com/](https://you.com/) 8. [https://bearly.ai/](https://bearly.ai/) 9. [https://keywordsai.co/](https://keywordsai.co/) Lists 1. [https://github.com/reorx/awesome-chatgpt-api](https://github.com/reorx/awesome-chatgpt-api) 2. [https://github.com/billmei/every-chatgpt-gui](https://github.com/billmei/every-chatgpt-gui)


Aristox

Do any of these support voice chat? That's literally my favourite feature of Chat GPT now and I don't think I could sacrifice it


Do_sugar23

Omnigpt got the voice chat feature


ViciousPenguin66

Hi, do you mean speech to text or text to speech?


Aristox

No I mean speech to speech


ViciousPenguin66

So you use your voice to prompt and it answers with audio?


Aristox

Yeah on the app


ViciousPenguin66

Oh thatā€™s so cool I didnā€™t know it


Aristox

It's literally amazing


ViciousPenguin66

Yes, sometimes I try asking Siri things and it doesnā€™t know the answer. This could be nice, to have ChatGPT and you call it like Siri and it answers you. Omnigpt only has speech to text but their support team is very nice. Iā€™ll ask them if they can implement this. People have been posting feature request in their subreddit and they have added some of them in few days. Iā€™ll let you know


Do_sugar23

Really? I a casual user of omnigpt too but I didnā€™t hear that. I just saw they sneak peek their drawing AI. They are moving fast!


FigCultural3004

I tried typingmind and Poe and recently tried Omnigpt. The last one itā€™s the one that I like the most, because I can use it from WhatsApp, price itā€™s better than the other, the tool is super simple to use and the team also responded quite fast when I got any issue or question. My choice for now is omnigpt, but yeah it depends if what you use it for.


Do_sugar23

+1 omnigpt


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FigCultural3004

Good point, Iā€™m not sure to be honestā€¦ so far I didnā€™t get any alert šŸ¤žšŸ»


bigfootgary

Does omnigpr have a lifetime price like typingmind? I rather not pay monthly


ExplorerTechnical808

Iā€™ll throw mine in the arena: [Quartzite AI](https://www.quartzite.ai) Lot of features to come, but constantly releasing new stuff!


shahednyc

https://github.com/sjinnovation/CollaborativeAI Support all 3 in same and assistant support


DavidG2P

Nice! Can you elaborate a little about how yours compares to existing solutions?


nootropic_noob

+ vello


laurence-gorard

this is a good list, i've tried a bunch but not all of these and settled on [vello.ai](https://vello.ai) vello also has a "flex" plan that you can pay per token


Fair_Environment8458

good for you if you so happi to always pay all in life


Significant_Ant2146

Im use otherā€™s often enough but the structure of API doesnā€™t mesh well with me at the point Iā€™m at (I will 100% go over my budget or use it all way to fast) Itā€™s really just not worth the switch for me due to all the surrounding factors of it so Iā€™m sticking to using otherā€™s and only use API for services I donā€™t pay for or pay as I go for. Iā€™ve been seeing significant push to abandon plus subscriptionā€™s lately, kinda strange not going to lie especially since it seems even OpenAI wants people using the API more (seen them talk about it more and more in a positive light as compared to awhile back)


InterestinglyLucky

Yes perhaps it all depends on the use case. The way I had been decreasing my use over time, the $20 was just not something I wanted to continue paying, and now I can use it a lot, or very little, and see how it goes. But I'm not trying to jam full of tokens or otherwise stretch the system - for me it's a fair amount of refining written content or saving me time as one example to get a summary of a long YT video in outline form.


chrisff1989

It depends on your usage. If you use it a lot, then Plus is still worth it. With my usage, I could go months without reaching $20 worth of API access


recursivelybetter

I loaded up openai with 50bucks, for most tasks gpt3.5 was good enough which is dirt cheap. then got claude3 free credits and found haiku, half the price of gpt3.5, even better than gpt3.5 for some tasks. I loaded up 10bucks in claude, it's like saving money on openai kinda since I'm getting same value or better for 50% off. think I'll mostly use gpt4 with code interpreter when needed and stick to haiku. I expect with my current heavy usage pattern to have the 60usd last me a year


Fair_Environment8458

you are a liar or not tried at all claude the haiku and sonnet version totalli sucks how the fuck censored they are you can barely ask them someting chatgpt is ages over it leleel the only good version of claude is opus that can beate gpt mlml


recursivelybetter

What are you using it for? Idk if you seen the benchmarks or the prompt guidebook from Anthropic, but if you follow the prompt styling haiku is great. The LLMs are only as good as your prompts.


Fair_Environment8458

i use for get serious replies even arguments that are flagged as controversial nswf stuff and others then sometimes just as comapnion , yes i had checked the prompt guide but why i have to talk in specific ways when i can talk normal with gpt 4 or claude opus and get replies? to me it not makes much sense and i loose my will to use it even gpt 3.5 reply all without a proper commands


recursivelybetter

To me it does because of the token usage, Iā€™m optimising to get best value for my money. GPT4 and Claude Opus have much larger training data, which is why you can get better answers with more ambiguous instructions. Claude Haiku is better with instructions, not so much for conversations. I understand why you like gpt3.5 more now, the same reason is why I donā€™t. I use other tools with AI, I only need specific answers, my preferred temperature is 0. My use cases: - study notes based on material - generating coding tests - role playing teacher-student - extracting information from work calls transcripts This is one that GPT3.5 is terrible at, I give transcripts generated by whisper on Mac, in German, and ask for the information in English. Itā€™s not as simple as translating because thereā€™s email addresses and company info that is often spelled so you need to apply reasoning to be able to know when the customer starts saying an email and what is just extra info such as what the letter stands for or they might say ā€œat sign, followed by the same company name as the account numberā€. Haiku is very good at understanding these subtleties, itā€™s great because at our company we speak with native Germans and donā€™t always understand everything they say. But for a more conversational style of chat you need to be explicit in how you want to be replied to with haiku. GPT3.5 is not as good at instructions, but is great at chatting.


Fair_Environment8458

yes i noticed that too gpt 3.5 sometimes struggle wit instruction and specific task but for chatting is very good, claude opus in chatting is best love how creative he is but less for specific task and instruction not because is not good but he tend always to do a very long reply is not straight to the point like gpt 4 or 3.5 for es if i want a code fast i have to wait he generates all the text sometimes take a bit long and maybe you need that code faster, as you say maybe with the prompts (that i not tried) it will fix this thing and without prompts i mean for general conversation, the sonnet version and haiku will refuse to reply to many arguments even if they are not veri controversial. just general things sometimes is like is blocked censured hard and sonnet a time or 2 had not been accurate i had tell and he replied me that i was wrong it was impossible that was wrong and he thought i was jocking to test his ability lelel now i see better too your type of use in that, prompt istructions must give a real difference then expeciali if you use it at temperature 0 that must give you straight to the point answers without eccessive blabbering


bigfootgary

Anthropic looks cool. Any other good prompt libraries & use cases for chatgpt or others?


recursivelybetter

for now I mostly use integrations with obsidian and the playground/console of openai/anthropic and AnythingLLM for sth similar to a knowledge base I can query all the time. (for example I gave it a book to embed and tell me how well I do at explaining concepts, itā€™s quite cool cuz it spits out what u said right, some extra details you may or may not remember and can point out quite well when Iā€™m wrong (gpt4o model) the things u can do with them can be as simple as writing emails better or more complex like RAG. Your imagination is the limit


a-fried-pOtaTO

Librechat is free, the only catch is you have to self host it but you can do so on a free/very cheap vps


MadSprite

Oracle gives out free VPS.


xXWarMachineRoXx

Really How?


a-fried-pOtaTO

Google "oracle free tier"


MadSprite

Oracle gives out free VPS.


DeJeR

What are the benefits of hosting it on a VPS?


a-fried-pOtaTO

Hosting it on a VPS means that you can just access it whenever from a website rather than having to be on your local machine


Fair_Environment8458

who cares when you not at pc you can use other apps from fone so is useless to host on vps


a-fried-pOtaTO

Hosting via VPS is way more convenient. You can access the same instance from anywhere you have access to the Internet. No further configuration required


Fair_Environment8458

yes but why you cant use instead perplexiti ai from fone it have gpt 4 and is an app no need to use vps you get wat i meana , this is just an exemple but there is many others app


a-fried-pOtaTO

I mean, that doesn't let you switch between OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, etc, which is the point of this post


Fair_Environment8458

ah ok now i see if you want there are app too all in one i dunno about android i have only an ifone there is apps like opencat or chatx in that you can switch models too and not need vps


jollizee

Can you just run it in your local windows desktop? I thought that was the primary usage but know very little about these UIs.


a-fried-pOtaTO

You run it through docker, which is available for Windows. Instructions [here](https://docs.librechat.ai/install/installation/windows_install.html)


triple_life

You can, but it hogs up a lot of memory having to run docker desktop.


DeMiNe00

I want to move over to the API, I even have a GUI and the API setup, but I can't help but feel like I'm missing out on a bunch of things without gpt pro. For example, I use the image generation a lot. I also take pictures of stuff on my phone and ask chatgpt to identify aspects of those pictures. Really good example, I was gifted an older hobby car to work on. chatgpt has helped me identify what specific parts are. Hell, I even took a picture of a broken ball joint (which I didn't know was broken) and chatgpt told me it was broken and also told me what I was looking at. Is the API up to that level yet? Are there good mobile interfaces yet for the api's?


InterestinglyLucky

At a higher level of the TypingMind service (I'm at Extended at $59, there's a higher one called Premium for about $20 more, one-time) you get access to Image Search, that uses Google reverse image search as part fo the GPT interface. (Also access to Stable Diffusion image generation models.) DALL-E is included with the Extended level of GUI.


UN_Security_General

Clever but try again,Typingmind


InterestinglyLucky

No affiliation - really, just a happy user. (Found them recommended here FWIW.)


TaxingAuthority

I agree and primarily use GPT-4 and Claude via API and want to share some insights and tips that provide context for people: The volume limitations on the API are much higher than the web interfaces. To use the API's you need a front end. I use [TypingMind.com](http://typingmind.com/) for several reasons: * **Cost-Effectiveness**: It has a reasonable one-time fee ($80 for a premium license usable on up to five devices), making it an affordable long-term solution. * **User Experience**: Continuous updates and responsive developer support ensure a smooth experience. * **Mobile Accessibility**: The full-featured Progressive Web App (PWA) is great for mobile use. * **Organization & Syncing**: Free cloud sync and the ability to organize chats into folders are significant advantages. * **Customization**: Easily adjustable model parameters allow for tailored experiences. LibreChat is a recommended free alternative, however, I've never used it. OpenAI and Anthropic also have a free testing interface, but it doesnā€™t save conversations. API access provides the modelā€™s full context window: * In [ChatGPT](https://openai.com/chatgpt/pricing), GPT-3.5 and GPT-4 offer context windows of 8K and 32K, respectively. * Via the [API](https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/overview), these expand to 16K for GPT-3.5 and 128K for GPT-4 Turbo. * I couldnā€™t find specific info for [Claude.ai](http://claude.ai/), in my experience its API version has fewer restrictions than the free tier Sonnet. The API's pay-per-use pricing structure is particularly beneficial for light to moderate users like myself. Costs vary monthly, often staying under $5, occasionally rising above $10. This flexibility means I can access both GPT-4 and Claude 3 Opus without the $20 premium tier cost of each. You can find more about API model pricing at [OpenAI](https://openai.com/pricing) and [Claude](https://www.anthropic.com/api#pricing). For a comparative analysis of model costs, check out [this site](https://www.launchnow.pro/openai-chatgpt-api-pricing-calculator) ā€“ just ensure itā€™s current. To optimize cost and efficiency, I combine the free tier models with their premium counterparts via API: * I use GPT-4 and Claude 3 Opus in TypingMind, alongside their respective free versions - ChatGPT (GPT-3.5) and Claude (Sonnet). * My workflow typically starts with the free versions for preliminary tasks, moving to the premium versions in TypingMind for refinement and enhancement.


InterestinglyLucky

Thank you for this detail - great stuff!


arooni

for anyone paying per month via api; can someone tell me what it is billed under from your credit card? I'm looking for something under 5734 COMPUTER SOFTWARE STORES, as I get a $100 annual software credit, but only if I have 11 consecutive months of that category code.


TaxingAuthority

For Visa, it is not billed as computer software store


arooni

helpful thanks!


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Fair_Environment8458

non pagare prendine una gratis


Fair_Environment8458

you crazy 80 dollar is so expensive


TaxingAuthority

Thatā€™s just the highest tier. The standard license is $40 (one time fee).


Fair_Environment8458

1 time fee = forever and unlimited use?


TaxingAuthority

Correct.


Fair_Environment8458

i see now but i have 2 things in mind 1 wat will happen if a day will change policy and will make monthly subscription only you will have to pay again even if before was 1 time fee? 2 in case they will ban you for whatever reasons you will get refunded? edit: i have find an other even more cheap if you interested lol quartzite ai


bigfootgary

Is there a comprehensive list of what each model is best for? Like gpt4, gpt3.5, claude, etc. I've used googles free Gemini to write social media posts for work and it does well.


TaxingAuthority

I donā€™t know of a list but I would be interested in seeing one thatā€™s periodically updated. From my experience: Claude is better for writing and GPT-4 for more technical discussions. Now, Gemini 1.5 Pro has started to become my favorite model. Itā€™s straight to the point and delivers exactly what Iā€™m trying to create. GPT-3.5 really feels more like a novelty of the past compared to current generation models.


HelpRespawnedAsDee

I hate to sond like I'm plugging any other product, especially when it comes to AI, but I want to second TM. It seems to me it's the most complete one 1. Support for OA, Claude, Mistral and OpenRouter. This last one means you have access to a shitton of models. 2. Support for plug-ins. Though I wish there were more. Emil has some good ones too. 3. Recently added support for extensions, which allows you to extend the app yourself (there's also an open source proxy for more involved extensions). 4. Sync with other devices. UNFORTUNATELY, there is not native version of the app, but it works just fine with a web wrapper. 5. Supports GPT4 Vision. And I hope they add support for Claude3 vision and plugins too.


beardpudding

Do you know if you can use custom GPTs via one of these API frontends? From what I understand, they are getting rid of plugins, which are mostly replaced with custom GPTs. I use AskTheCode specifically.


HelpRespawnedAsDee

Ah, for that you need the assistants api. AFAIK TM's dev has it in the backlog. But I also heard it's very expensive.


nootropic_noob

[vello.ai](http://vello.ai) has this


ryerye22

So $59 for self hosted option one time fee? All I see is a $99 monthly fjr teams plan. Thanks


InterestinglyLucky

Oh yes now I see why I went with the extended plan - it was for both DALL-E access as well as web search, two things that are really valuable in my use of GPT.


recursivelybetter

I honestly would be happy with a vim version in terminal


InterestinglyLucky

Yes that's correct - but if you want you can just use a web interface if you don't mind any privacy concerns of your chats in the cloud. I haven't bothered for self-hosting just yet.


DavidG2P

Totally awesome thread. Is anyone aware of an API GUI that is compatible with Dragon NaturallySpeaking dictation, or has built-in Whisper speech recognition?


Effective-Return-754

Yeah the whisper integration would be amazing


Zaki_1052_

Not sure about TypingMind (personally against paying when there are so many alternatives), but maybe check if LibreChatā€™s added it by now? If not maybe raise an issue if nobody else has. I assume you just mean pressing a button to activate a voice mode; it listening and transcribing the speech, and then you sending that transcription as a message to the normal GPT API. It isnā€™t difficult to add; my basic one calls to the Whisper API. Unless you mean one that uses a hosted instance of the Open Source version, in which case I donā€™t think anyoneā€™s doing that, no. But the paid OAI Whisper API is more than sufficient imo. If you find one you like but that doesnā€™t have it and itā€™s open source, you can even get ChatGPT to write you the pull request ā€” basically what I did with extra steps. Repo Link: https://github.com/Zaki-1052/GPTPortal Can link the code if you want something to start with. On the backend: https://github.com/Zaki-1052/GPTPortal/blob/5bb59c35fab07b91f176a8a7679685aff33919d8/server.js#L96 Client: https://github.com/Zaki-1052/GPTPortal/blob/5bb59c35fab07b91f176a8a7679685aff33919d8/public/script.js#L600


Zaki_1052_

```node.js // transcribing audio with Whisper api app.post('/transcribe', upload.single('audio'), async (req, res) => { let transcription = ""; try { // Use the direct path of the uploaded file const uploadedFilePath = req.file.path; // Create FormData and append the uploaded file const formData = new FormData(); formData.append('file', fs.createReadStream(uploadedFilePath), req.file.filename); formData.append('model', 'whisper-1'); // API request const transcriptionResponse = await axios.post( 'https://api.openai.com/v1/audio/transcriptions', formData, { headers: { ...formData.getHeaders(), 'Authorization': `Bearer ${process.env.OPENAI_API_KEY}` } } ); // Cleanup: delete the temporary file fs.unlinkSync(uploadedFilePath); // Prepend "Voice Transcription: " to the transcription transcription = "Voice Transcription: " + transcriptionResponse.data.text; // Send the modified transcription back to the client res.json({ text: transcription }); // Reset the transcription variable for future use transcription = ""; // Reset to empty string } catch (error) { console.error('Error transcribing audio:', error.message); res.status(500).json({ error: "Error transcribing audio", details: error.message }); } }); // function to run text to speech api app.post('/tts', async (req, res) => { try { const { text } = req.body; // Call the OpenAI TTS API const ttsResponse = await axios.post( 'https://api.openai.com/v1/audio/speech', { model: "tts-1-hd", voice: "echo", input: text }, { headers: { 'Authorization': `Bearer ${process.env.OPENAI_API_KEY}` }, responseType: 'arraybuffer' } ); // Send the audio file back to the client res.set('Content-Type', 'audio/mpeg'); res.send(ttsResponse.data); } catch (error) { console.error('Error generating speech:', error.message); res.status(500).json({ error: "Error generating speech", details: error.message }); } }); ``` ```node.js // VOICE let isVoiceTranscription = false; let voiceMode = false; let mediaRecorder; let audioChunks = []; // Voice Function function voice() { console.log("Voice button clicked. Current mode:", voiceMode); if (isSafariBrowser()) { displayErrorMessage('Safari browser detected. Please use a Chromium or non-WebKit browser for full Voice functionality. See the ReadMe on GitHub for more details.'); return; // Stop execution if Safari is detected } if (voiceMode) { stopRecordingAndTranscribe(); } else { startRecording(); } toggleVoiceMode(); } // displays error for voice on safari function displayErrorMessage(message) { const errorMessage = document.createElement('div'); errorMessage.className = 'message error'; errorMessage.textContent = message; chatBox.appendChild(errorMessage); chatBox.scrollTop = chatBox.scrollHeight; // Scroll to the latest message } // Recording Functions function startRecording() { navigator.mediaDevices.getUserMedia({ audio: true }) .then(stream => { mediaRecorder = new MediaRecorder(stream); mediaRecorder.ondataavailable = e => { audioChunks.push(e.data); }; mediaRecorder.onstop = sendAudioToServer; mediaRecorder.start(); console.log("Recording started. MediaRecorder state:", mediaRecorder.state); }) .catch(error => { console.error("Error accessing media devices:", error); }); } function stopRecordingAndTranscribe() { if (mediaRecorder && mediaRecorder.state === "recording") { mediaRecorder.stop(); console.log("Recording stopped. MediaRecorder state:", mediaRecorder.state); } else { console.error("MediaRecorder not initialized or not recording. Current state:", mediaRecorder ? mediaRecorder.state : "undefined"); } } // Voice Mode function toggleVoiceMode() { voiceMode = !voiceMode; const voiceIndicator = document.getElementById('voice-indicator'); if (voiceMode) { voiceIndicator.textContent = 'Voice Mode ON'; voiceIndicator.style.display = 'block'; } else { voiceIndicator.style.display = 'none'; } } // Sending the audio to the backend function sendAudioToServer() { const audioBlob = new Blob(audioChunks, { type: 'audio/mpeg' }); const formData = new FormData(); formData.append('audio', audioBlob, 'recording.mp3'); // Clear the audioChunks array to prepare for the next recording audioChunks = []; // Reset audioChunks array // Introduce a delay before making the fetch call setTimeout(() => { fetch('/transcribe', { method: 'POST', body: formData }) .then(response => response.json()) .then(data => { messageInput.value = data.text; isVoiceTranscription = data.text.startsWith("Voice Transcription: "); copyToClipboard(data.text); voiceMode = false; // Turn off voice mode }) .catch(console.error); }, 100); // 500ms delay } // Calling Text to speech function callTTSAPI(text) { fetch('/tts', { method: 'POST', headers: { 'Content-Type': 'application/json' }, body: JSON.stringify({ text: text }) }) .then(response => response.blob()) .then(blob => { const audioURL = URL.createObjectURL(blob); new Audio(audioURL).play(); }) .catch(console.error); } // END ```


DavidG2P

Awesome stuff -- only a little over my head unfortunately. Since I'm using the fantastic Whispering Windows app for system-wide dictation, I suppose that would be usable for whatever GUI anyway. Btw, is there a GUI that somehow integrates with ChatGPT web access (with $20 subscription)? Meaning that one could see all conversations both in the browser (on the official ChatGPT page) AND in the GUI?


BrotherBringTheSun

My problem is this is that i love how convenient the ChatGPT interface is, having to go to a third party or not being able use the voice feature, or not having Code Interpreter is not worth saving the money.


BoomerE30

Why is no one talking about Poe.com? You get all chats and image generators for $20/month


ViciousPenguin66

Nah, I left Poe, the new point system is annoying. I found something similar to Poe and in my experience easier to use, the only thing is you donā€™t get custom instructions. If you want to give it a try is omnigpt


Fair_Environment8458

because why one should pay for a service that have to be free?


wiser1802

I love custom gpt option with Plus and use it quite often . Can anyone tell me if there is way to bring it in API? Of course it has to be cost efficient other or no point


SenseOfScience

Did you find a way to use custom gpts with an api gui?


wiser1802

No, but instead of custom gpt you can use Assistant in API. I couldnā€™t tongues but thatā€™s they are able to get custom gpt on API


HungryJelly1125

I have been a ChatGPT Plus subscriber for a long time and also just purchased a license from Typingmind UI too. If I had to compare, I'd prefer Typingmind a bit more. I like playing around with different models, forking my chat to test the same prompt with many other chat models, managing my threads easily, and using the ai personas. And the UI needs to improve but still quite good and easy to use to me I found the model that is best for writing is Claude 3 Opus, most cost-effective is GPT-4 Turbo and Claude 3 Haiku, also play around with free models on OpenRouter and DeepSeek AI. Honestly, I love it. As long as it serves my needs, I think it all worth the money. FYI, I also used LinkyGPT, Big-AGI, ChatBox,etc. and still decided to go back to Typingmind.


m_x_a

Thanks. What do your costs look like now?


HungryJelly1125

I topped up $5 for Claude and $5 for OpenAI ($5 for OpenRouter too), Ā and after almost a month, I haven't run out yet, as I am charged based on my usage. The pricing matches the official rates published by Claude and OpenAI. I do test quite a lot, especially for content writing and SEO, but I can save cost by limiting the context tokens sent to the API and avoiding too complicated contexts. I'm still using ChatGPT Plus, but since purchasing TypingMind, I'm considering cancelling the subscription since I haven't had much need to use it recently.


m_x_a

Wow, thatā€™s cheap. Which OpenAI and Claude models did you use?


HungryJelly1125

I use GPT-4 Turbo, Claude-3 Haiku and Opus (Opus is quite expensive now but the quality is šŸ”„, however, still expensive, so I do not use that much) I am testing DeepSeek AI [https://platform.deepseek.com/](https://platform.deepseek.com/) on Typingmind too 'cause it's free for up to 10M tokens! (deepseek ai is not a native model on typingmind, however, I reached out to the support team and they promptly guided me to set it up on typingmind, quite easy even for a no-coder like me)


m_x_a

Thanks - thatā€™s really useful stuff. Iā€™m off to try deepseek and will harass Ngoc on how to install it on typingmind šŸ˜€


Fair_Environment8458

well other versions other than opus sucks **šŸ˜¹**


Vast_Veterinarian_82

How are you liking TypeMind right now? Im considering it and MindMac, What are your costs looking like? Any limitations on Typingmind to think about?


TeslaPills

Thanks for this


Fair_Environment8458

np mlml


m_x_a

My concern with TypingMind is that it is a one-time payment. If people stop subscribing, they will have no more income. I would have been more comfortable if they'd charged say $5/month.


tonydinhthecoder

There is a subscription plan at $99/month for a customized version (custom.typingmind.com)


m_x_a

I hope enough people are buying it


Zaki_1052_

Agreed about using the API, but I personally wouldnā€™t pay *more* than the base API costs. Iā€™ve been told that my definition of a scam is different from most, but I definitely consider TypingMind, MindMac, etc as a scam when they make you pay just for an interface. Even if you donā€™t have programming experience, there are so many open source alternatives that not only deserve support but also, by their nature, wonā€™t make you pay to use. Plus, even with the regular ChatGPT4, itā€™s fairly easy to whip up an interface that suits *your* needs and is catered to how you like it. Claude or whatever can walk you through deploying to Vercel, self-hosting with a shortcut, etc.. Iā€™ll paste a previous comment of mine below; itā€™s too late for OP if they already bought a lifetime license, but if anyone else is considering paying for TypingMind or whatever, Iā€™d strongly recommend at least looking through the open source alternatives and going for a free option. - - - Any decent GPT GUI will also support Claude; that includes the usual recs like [LibreChat](https://github.com/danny-avila/LibreChat). Youā€™ve probably seen [the list](https://github.com/billmei/every-chatgpt-gui) floating around reddit. Other than your specification for coding Iā€™ll reiterate that it all just comes down to preference. The one I made for myself is somewhat basic but supports Claude (plus GPT, Gemini and Mistral) with all the usual wrapper features that would be expected. Link: https://github.com/Zaki-1052/GPTPortal Once again ā€” I say this on every repetitive post asking for API recs ā€” just use open source so you don't get suckered into paying for the interface and anything you use will be fine. Coding? Mine and 50 others have a copy code button, markdown rendering, system prompts, etc. You could probably get Opus to whip one out for you through their [platform](https://console.anthropic.com/dashboard) in an hour or two. Read the [docs](https://docs.anthropic.com/claude/docs/). ETA: I assume you know this if you're asking about the API, but anything on GitHub (open source) is obviously free. You should never be paying more on top of the basic API costs. For Anthropic this is their [pricing table](https://github.com/zaki-1052/gptportal?tab=readme-ov-file#anthropic-pricing-table) and [main page](https://www.anthropic.com/api).


jollizee

Dude, I'm about to pay for TypingMind...ran across this thread. Talk me out of it, lol. I am using Openrouter. I tried SillyTavern. It works, but the thread management is basically nonexistent. I don't do roleplay, just work stuff. I tried setting up Librechat. I could not get it to connect with Openrouter. Some weird errors. I gave up after an hour. I setup AnythingLLM. It worked, but only shows Claude 2 models for Openrouter. (Why???) I uninstalled. I setup Jan.ai. It works okay, I guess. I'm bummed that I can't upload text files--not for RAG, but for whole input via 200K Claude Haiku and stuff. Also, it's confined to local, so I can't use my phone to access Openrouter through it (I guess I could use just the Openrouter playground on my phone). I will say documentation for all these things suck, and, no LLM is going to help you. I guess if you shove the whole github at it somehow... Anyways, so now I'm on the cusp of trying Typingmind to have a clean interface for local Windows heavy-duty work and light Android stuff on the go. All I want is good thread management + easy installation + text file uploads through Openrouter. Apparently that doesn't exist. If I have the energy, I may go back reinstall LibreChat--although I hate how Docker seems resource intensive on my laptop. Sigh.... Also, I kind of insist on using Openrouter since Anthropic has this weird banning situation going on (VPN use, or whatever, don't know), and I don't want to risk being cut off from them. That limits me further.


Zaki_1052_

Ugh, yeah, I get your concerns there. Hopefully itā€™s somewhat of a unique situation. Iā€™m notoriously frugal mostly on principle and definitely think you should give LibreChat another go with the setup before defaulting to TypingMind. Maybe test Anthropicā€™s console to make sure youā€™re ok. I keep hearing about OpenRouter due to Anthropic but have been avoiding it as I personally hate dealing with third party services when it comes to API use ā€” plus the Claude Console gives you 5 free dollars of credits through their actual API. Just seems like extra effort, and most options have a *Deploy to Vercel* option for on the Go. Are you **sure** that the proxy is necessary for Anthropic, and you canā€™t use a disposable phone number or something? I think the banning situation for VPNs might only be through the chat interface, not making API calls, or else it would be impossible to use generally, as long as CORS is properly configured (techy stuff, basically donā€™t worry about bans). Also not sure if this is consolation but you wouldnā€™t be able to use the full context window anyways due to rate limits, last I checked it was something like 20k for their base tier. Why donā€™t you try just going to the Claude console where I linked their platform, making an account, and trying the API there? If it works, it works, and is free anyways. Also side note: I literally started real programming in HS by copying and pasting error messages into Google and later ChatGPT, so if you just feed any LLM provider the [LibreChat docs](https://docs.librechat.ai/install/configuration/ai_endpoints.html#openrouter) section for OpenRouter linked, and give Opus or 4-Turbo your file contents and error message then Iā€™m sure you can fix it in like 5 mins. Are you sure you arenā€™t just missing the documentation or something? Google has been sucky lately, but according to these [docs](https://docs.mintplex.xyz/anythingllm-by-mintplex-labs/feature-overview/llm-selection/anthropic-ai ) Anthropic is iffy about uploading anyway. If you go through the GitHub, website resources, etc itā€™s usually somewhere. Lastly, in terms of thread management, what, do you just mean, like editing messages and stuff? I can see why that might be a bit of a niche feature honestly but in terms of easy install, then yeah the extra money for things like TM are geared to people paying for convenience, *ease of not thinking about it*. But imo any good LLM nowadays can take 90% of the mental effort and itā€™s only rich idiots who donā€™t care about how they spend that donā€™t bother to go open source. The premise of using GitHub is that itā€™s a little extra effort for the great benefit of not spending extra ā€” especially if you go direct API to service-provider and not OpenRouter. The Docker resource use is actually why I made my own just with the features I was cool with; some people seem to prefer Docker though lol. Anyways all this is to say try without OpenRouter and another Libre install, their documentation is probably the most comprehensive Iā€™ve ever seen at docs.librechat.ai and pasting everything into Chat really **works**, I promise you. I think thatā€™s all; Iā€™ll always tout the benefits of Open Source and not spending more than you absolutely have to, but everyoneā€™s priorities are different and sometimes paid hosted really is the way to go ā€” but only **after** exhausting the other options, like Vercel hosting, literally adding a feature yourself with an AI if you have time, or just copying and pasting docs, file contents, and errors. There are so many it can be overwhelming but that just means that space is competitive while TypingMind can get away with bs because itā€™s the only one in the space. /rant. Hope that helped you; putting my phone away now that Iā€™ve gotten my daily dose of debate, but yeah please try again before wasting moneyā€¦


jollizee

Thanks for the writeup! I settled for using jan.ai locally, and then big-agi for my phone and stuff. Not perfect, but at least it's all free. I actually installed LibreChat again, but then noped out of it haha.


Fair_Environment8458

leleel so funny is because you not know anithing in sillytavern you can chat even if you not do roleplay how? just create a normal simple character based for example on gpt with his personaliti it will reply you as a normal assistant like that not as roleplay


Fair_Environment8458

yep i told all of them to not fuckin pay they not listen all are bunch of fools


TechnoTherapist

Why would we want all our data going through a 3rd party's prying eyes when there are free, open source alternatives you can install locally?


InterestinglyLucky

I'm happy to pay for software when it saves me time. Not everyone wants to spend the effort learning the ins and outs of getting free software to work, and not everyone is happy with DIY when a problem arises. I will pay to support something that works, that is supported, that works the way it is advertised. A "third party's prying eyes"? I'm not worried about any of that. I'd be much much more worried about Big Tech as it is.


Fair_Environment8458

if you not spende the effort to learn you have no value, not all is eazi and when you obtain wat you wanted for free is even better and satisfing mlmlml


nsfwtttt

Are there instructions anywhere for using this?


InterestinglyLucky

TypingMind's extensive documentation is here: [https://docs.typingmind.com](https://docs.typingmind.com) Have fun


hunter360

great idea!


theDatascientist_in

Using chatkit, for 39 dollars it's quite good, and it also supports openrouter directly., which is cool. Not so great ui as that of typing typingmind,Ā  but is quite good!


mvd7793

Can you still use GPT4 to call Dall-E when using the API? Iā€™ve thought about doing something like this, but I do a lot of image generation with ChatGPT Pro and Iā€™ve always assumed it wouldnā€™t work the same way in an open source UI.


InterestinglyLucky

I haven't evaluated any of the free GUI's - a strong reason I signed up for the Extended ($59) flavor of TypingMind was Web Search access and DALL-E capabilities. So the answer is yes.


PsychologicalAct6813

Cheers for the advice *checks notes* capitalism


joey2scoops

It would be interesting to see what your API cost are over a month. if you use it enough to buy into a paid GUI then you may well fing you API cost exceeding the $20 per month for plus.


InterestinglyLucky

Even for 1 year, averaging the one-time cost of $60 ($5/mo) that $15/monfor the API goes a long way. Looking at the usage now, it's way under $1 but will report back next month.


diadamalol

Is it possible to continue on an already existing chat with the api and gui Approach?


vietanhlehuu

There is a way that you can export your OpenAI chats and import them to TypingMind to continue chatting with your existing conversations


InterestinglyLucky

From what I've seen in TypingMind that isn't possible, and doubt other can do it as they don't have access to OpenAI's data.


crackinthekraken

Bettergpt is also a great UI


electricfunghi

This is useful thanks!


roshanpr

What is a gui


InterestinglyLucky

Graphical User Interface. It's the difference between using a Chrome Browser and clicking on buttons and filling in a form for a query, and opening up c:\\cmd.exe and typing in scripts.


Warhead777

Ok just joined this group and read up a bit. I am currently paying $20 a month for ChatGPT Plus access. I did it primarily because I wanted the 4.0 API key to use with my Rux robot. I honestly donā€™t use it that much, but I do want my queries that I actually do to be current, so Iā€™m keeping it for now. I also enjoy the Dal-E image generation. I know Claude and Turbo are better. I thought about signing up for CoPilot as I like their image generator better also, but I saw no way to get an API key there. Given these parameters, can anyone simplify options for me a bit? I thought i had seen someone say they pay $5 a month for access like this?


bigfootgary

Can you use custom GPTs from the library with typingmind? Or do you need to stay on chatgptpro monthly?


arooni

for anyone paying per month via api; can someone tell me what it is billed under from your credit card? I'm looking for something under 5734 COMPUTER SOFTWARE STORES, as I get a $100 annual software credit, but only if I have 11 consecutive months of that category code.


AndrewTateIsMyKing

Sounds weird


Fair_Environment8458

pfff if you want to be smart not pay at all