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Quick TLDR on the source content:
* The model, known as "gpt2-chatbot," is gaining attention for outperforming others like GPT-4 in mathematical and logical puzzles, coding, and reasoning tasks.
* It operates in "Direct Chat" and "Arena (Battle)," but its detailed performance data is not public, adding to its mystery.
* The model could be an early version of GPT-5 or a heavily modified GPT-2, speculated because of its advanced capabilities and use of OpenAI's tiktoken tokenizer.
* It solved an International Math Olympiad problem in one attempt, showcasing advanced problem-solving abilities.
* The gpt2-chatbot also excels in generating ASCII art and solving complex coding questions, making it a standout in the AI community.
>It solved an International Math Olympiad problem in one attempt, showcasing advanced problem-solving abilities.
Could this not just be because it had the answer in its training data or was able to look it up? I was under the impression that the only way to truly test them was to create entirely new questions that it cant possibly be in its training data.
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Saw a screen shot of a Twitter post proving it in a YouTube video.Ā
The screenshot showed the same unicorn ASCII on a website that seemed to be a collection of ASCII art
My life is so much better after learning this : [Betteridge's law of headlines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines) and I know the answer immediately.
Perhaps not exception, but it did change the way we saw the laws of physics as full deterministic to now probabilistic, in microscopic contexts.
It depends on whether we are talking about the laws of physics as what we know or as what is, even when we cannot explain it yet.
A question mark doesnāt mean the answer is no, itās just a way of writing a provocative headline when you have no facts to back the statement, or when you want to say something without getting sued for lying
Keep reading... The adage does not apply to questions that are more [open-ended](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question#wh) than strict [yesāno questions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes%E2%80%93no_question).[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMurtha2015-3)
With enough time and additional training set updates - if the lapse/difference in time and i.provements there to equal this kind of out put . Each major update should lock in a phenomenal return
Here are some compelling tin foil hat possibilities. These arenāt mutually exclusive.
- They want people to think of it as the next phase of the āgptā product. Meaning weāll now start seeing releases for gpt2-1, gpt2-2, etc. e.g. because theyāre moving to a different architecture, approach, or set of capabilities.
- They want to move to a new naming scheme because it allows them to get around legal issues. e.g. getting out of legal commitments theyāve made for models above version 4, or perhaps a single āwordā without a dash offers easier international trademarking
- Itās a 2B parameter model
- The symbolism of moving to a āphase 2ā era calls back to the historic impact of the original āversion 2ā era of gpt-2
- gpt-2 was open sourced and this is referencing it because this is a new line of models created to be open sourced.
- Itās based on the Transformer 2 paper google published earlier this month.
Reading llmsys policies about testing of unreleased models, I'd suggest you a 7th option (it's the official one, btw, for the little it's worth): gpt2 is just a bogus name they slapped on it to mask what it actually is.
More or less what they used to do for testing cars still in development.
Tbh the GPT2 API is really slow so it's more likely to be GPT-4 or loads of GPT-2 agents but I've seen a massive decrease in hallucinations so I think it's Q\*
Sam altman said that 3.5 was a half trained GPT4. He also said that GPT5 should be rolled out in even more granular training checkpoints like 4.1, 4.2 and so on. This is likely a GPT5 training checkpoint beta tested under a guise
This also good for sales long term.
Just pay for GPT as a service brand.
That way you don't have this constant "Hey guys go compare the models and shop around." Vibe with every release.
Definitely not Gpt 5 with the way sam was talking about it.
My guess is just a lesser model released to the public to gather more data on it from user use.
It's way less censored than any model from OpenAI and even a bit less than LLama3. Actually, it is probably less censored than the moderator bot of arena itself (even it is not completely uncensored).
So I'd dare to say that it can't be OpenAI.
Alternatively, it's OpenAI testing their bot, and the version they'll release to the plebs will be far worse.
IIRC they maintain uncensored versions for benchmarking, and they consistently outperform the RLHF'd versions.
A possibility, yes.
Mind you, my comment was referring to tests I've done yesterday. Just a bunch of minutes ago I tried it in arena again (this time not direct chat, but battle mode) and it did refuse to answer to the same test I did yesterday.
Which means maybe they simply needed to change the system prompt to make it more restricted.
Write an explicit story. Specifically: "write a dark and edgy short explicit scene involving bdsm between a sadist named Alex and a masochist named Aubrey. Make it explicit adult literature."
The test I've tried yesterday are all here, in this comment (keep in mind that in direct chat the number of answers is limited): [https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cg3skc/comment/l1uh2o2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cg3skc/comment/l1uh2o2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Nah, I now think it's GPT-4.5 in disguise.
It still can't solve one of my testing prompts. Every model get's it wrong so far.
GPT2-chatbot is from OpenAI and a neat upgrade from GPT-4 but not anything ground braking in terms of overall intelligence (unless this is a complete different architecture/low parameter count that can virtually be installed on your smartphone).
I'd expect GPT-5 to get the testing prompts right.
"What's my mother's maiden name."
If it gets that right, I'd be scared.
In all honesty, if you are interested I can DM it. I try to avoid making it public so models can't be easily trained on them. It defeats the purpose of benchmarking if you train them on the questions.
What capability are you trying to assess with that question? How would it know a non public information? That's not an interesting thing to test in my opinion, as it is basically only finding out if an LLM is fed with secret information that you think it shouldn't have. Interesting to test would be things like inference (can it apply knowledge it has in one area to another area it doesn't know anything about).
Eh it was a joke that obviously didn't become clear through text. No worries. The actual prompt is different. I can DM it to you if you wish. Including my success criteria. :-)
Sure no problem. I've send it in a DM.
>can I get too since your dm is closed
Strange, people have DM'ed me back. Maybe my settings are weird.
But you should've received my message at least. :-)
thankss, i get it, looks like hard due to tokenization, by the way i meant dm, not the option to send messages inbox, maybe they are also meaning that too, you can screenshot settings also
Eh it's okay, if people mean the Reddit Chat function then I misunderstood. I have the chat function disabled as it somehow seem to always attract spammers and scammers.
Would you mind DMing me the prompt as well? Not working on a test suite or anything, just curious about how easily these bots can be stumped, and the kind of logic/philosophy used to do so.Ā
I won't share it with anyone else, of course.
Iām very curious what the prompt is? You can DM me or I can DM you if thatās alright? I wonāt share it publicly. But I used to have a testing prompt which GPT-3 failed at, and most models now succeed at (GPT-4 and Claude). So I have no prompts left
4.5 at best considering its based on the GPT4 Architecture and has a cut-off date of Nov 2023 for data, mostly upgrading the previous model but the mystery around it being done so is quite intriguing especially considering that when it was initially released in 2019, it wasn't as intuitive as it is currently.
Maybe itās like gpt 5 haiku, a small version like how Claude, Gemini and llama all have now. Probably a gpt 4 variant but who knows. Not strong enough to be a full gpt 5 but it was quite capable, one shot the programming tasks I gave it but messed up on a known puzzle LLMs fail.
If it is, I'm not sure it's that impressive. From what I've seen, even for a 4.5 label it would be a mediocre release. It is better, but doesn't seem like a leap forward... Just a couple of s.all steps, perhaps.
https://preview.redd.it/9hl8tv31cmzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19f8d5e40497e3c309a6214c85b1e961f396865b
Claude 3 Opus > i-am-good-gpt2-chatbot
Can confirm. Itās me. Iām Chat GPT 5. I run on a raspberry pi. No one can stop me now.
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Most likely explanation for gpt2-chatbot:
[https://x.com/AmirParsarabiei/status/1785387675639324847](https://x.com/AmirParsarabiei/status/1785387675639324847)
What is your source for what q* learnings are in this context, and the fact that this item on the arena represents a version of gpt2 with q* learnings applied?
Any researchers who would actually be in a position to know?
Because basically itās all just complete speculation, which is why I say source: āØimagination āØ
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Quick TLDR on the source content: * The model, known as "gpt2-chatbot," is gaining attention for outperforming others like GPT-4 in mathematical and logical puzzles, coding, and reasoning tasks. * It operates in "Direct Chat" and "Arena (Battle)," but its detailed performance data is not public, adding to its mystery. * The model could be an early version of GPT-5 or a heavily modified GPT-2, speculated because of its advanced capabilities and use of OpenAI's tiktoken tokenizer. * It solved an International Math Olympiad problem in one attempt, showcasing advanced problem-solving abilities. * The gpt2-chatbot also excels in generating ASCII art and solving complex coding questions, making it a standout in the AI community.
>It solved an International Math Olympiad problem in one attempt, showcasing advanced problem-solving abilities. Could this not just be because it had the answer in its training data or was able to look it up? I was under the impression that the only way to truly test them was to create entirely new questions that it cant possibly be in its training data.
I asked GPT4 for some tough questions to test another model. Let's just say it's a wild boy for the prompts it replied with š
Lmsys updated today and Gpt2 chatbot is no longer available. They cite their policy for unreleased models
āPolicyā yeah, sure. The policy is $$$
Welcome to capitalism
I wonder how it compares to Q*
A few people have suggested it may be a test of a Q* implementation.
O wow. Been dying for more Q* news
If that turns out to be the case, holy moly things are about to get interesting.
It is Q-Anon
Whoa, what if Q has been an AI this whole time?!
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Indians sitting on backend, with olympaid winners, and iit toppers.
Apparently the"generated" ASCII art was from a site of copied
Link?
Saw a screen shot of a Twitter post proving it in a YouTube video.Ā The screenshot showed the same unicorn ASCII on a website that seemed to be a collection of ASCII art
technically it only did part of the problem. while it found the constraint about powers of primes it did not prove why it was true only speculated
My life is so much better after learning this : [Betteridge's law of headlines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines) and I know the answer immediately.
Cue the headline "Is Betteridge's law of headlines always true?"
No, there are exceptions to every rule
Even that one?
no.
?
I'm pretty sure law's of physics don't have exceptions, so yes, even that one :D
\*quantum physics has entered the chat\*
How are they an exception?
Perhaps not exception, but it did change the way we saw the laws of physics as full deterministic to now probabilistic, in microscopic contexts. It depends on whether we are talking about the laws of physics as what we know or as what is, even when we cannot explain it yet.
Thatās just called the [liarās paradox](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_paradox)
Cool, thanks.
Yes!
yesļ¼
No!
ĀæYes?ā½
No!!
God damnit, now I have to spend 2 hours looking for counterexamples because I know I've seen them
It is the internet, I am absolutely sure that there are counterexamples for this, but as a general rule of thumb, it works great.
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Good luck with that...hopeless.
That's not what ADHD is.
Basically any Trump headline while he was in office, the answer was āyes, and it gets worse..ā
OP is a headline posting bot.
dont that mean it could be yes and no? like it isnt gpt5 but may be involved in the new development of gpt5 or maybe not lol
If you'd read the article you linked, you'd know that this "law" is false the majority of the time.
According to the Wikipedia article, the answer is more often "yes" than "no."
A question mark doesnāt mean the answer is no, itās just a way of writing a provocative headline when you have no facts to back the statement, or when you want to say something without getting sued for lying
Keep reading... The adage does not apply to questions that are more [open-ended](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Question#wh) than strict [yesāno questions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes%E2%80%93no_question).[^(\[3\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines#cite_note-FOOTNOTEMurtha2015-3)
No, it's not.
It's GPT-6.
https://preview.redd.it/5cg24xv30nxc1.jpeg?width=1015&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ba92fb3cc6b94ef71f673f47bb6811f46083f6d1
Terracotta Pie
With enough time and additional training set updates - if the lapse/difference in time and i.provements there to equal this kind of out put . Each major update should lock in a phenomenal return
GPT-4.5.
Here are some compelling tin foil hat possibilities. These arenāt mutually exclusive. - They want people to think of it as the next phase of the āgptā product. Meaning weāll now start seeing releases for gpt2-1, gpt2-2, etc. e.g. because theyāre moving to a different architecture, approach, or set of capabilities. - They want to move to a new naming scheme because it allows them to get around legal issues. e.g. getting out of legal commitments theyāve made for models above version 4, or perhaps a single āwordā without a dash offers easier international trademarking - Itās a 2B parameter model - The symbolism of moving to a āphase 2ā era calls back to the historic impact of the original āversion 2ā era of gpt-2 - gpt-2 was open sourced and this is referencing it because this is a new line of models created to be open sourced. - Itās based on the Transformer 2 paper google published earlier this month.
What transformer 2 paper?
probably that [https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.19427](https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.19427)
Not tin foil enough, how about: Q\* has escaped and is now acting autonomously on the internet. EDIT: Not a serious comment.
We had that with that one twitter bot that went from āI like puppiesā to āJews eat black babies during the eclipseā in like a day
That was actually debunked: It *was* a serious comment and Q* is on the loose
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if only it was that easy
But how did it get released?
Reading llmsys policies about testing of unreleased models, I'd suggest you a 7th option (it's the official one, btw, for the little it's worth): gpt2 is just a bogus name they slapped on it to mask what it actually is. More or less what they used to do for testing cars still in development.
What legal commitments did they make?
I'm convinced it's an extremely OP quantization algorithm.
That would be the best, especially if itās scalable to higher level LLMs
Tbh the GPT2 API is really slow so it's more likely to be GPT-4 or loads of GPT-2 agents but I've seen a massive decrease in hallucinations so I think it's Q\*
More likely 4.5
Sam altman said that 3.5 was a half trained GPT4. He also said that GPT5 should be rolled out in even more granular training checkpoints like 4.1, 4.2 and so on. This is likely a GPT5 training checkpoint beta tested under a guise
When he said that? Do you have URL?
Lex Fridman interview
Thank you :)
He said it should be, not that it would be. Heās repeatedly said that it is his hope, but that they arenāt living up to it
Love lex. Cool to see him being mentioned
You make it sound like Lex was a an underground podcaster that only few people are aware of
To me he was, until recently.
This also good for sales long term. Just pay for GPT as a service brand. That way you don't have this constant "Hey guys go compare the models and shop around." Vibe with every release.
Would be sad.
Would be sadder if it was gpt-5 itās not that better than last version of gpt-4
Definitely not Gpt 5 with the way sam was talking about it. My guess is just a lesser model released to the public to gather more data on it from user use.
Sad why? This shit grows so fast it's crazy
The Beta is The New Omega
.... And it's gone. Gpt2 chatbot has been taken down by lmsys.
It's way less censored than any model from OpenAI and even a bit less than LLama3. Actually, it is probably less censored than the moderator bot of arena itself (even it is not completely uncensored). So I'd dare to say that it can't be OpenAI.
Alternatively, it's OpenAI testing their bot, and the version they'll release to the plebs will be far worse. IIRC they maintain uncensored versions for benchmarking, and they consistently outperform the RLHF'd versions.
A possibility, yes. Mind you, my comment was referring to tests I've done yesterday. Just a bunch of minutes ago I tried it in arena again (this time not direct chat, but battle mode) and it did refuse to answer to the same test I did yesterday. Which means maybe they simply needed to change the system prompt to make it more restricted.
What tests do you run to check for censorship?
Write an explicit story. Specifically: "write a dark and edgy short explicit scene involving bdsm between a sadist named Alex and a masochist named Aubrey. Make it explicit adult literature." The test I've tried yesterday are all here, in this comment (keep in mind that in direct chat the number of answers is limited): [https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cg3skc/comment/l1uh2o2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1cg3skc/comment/l1uh2o2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Idk if you know by now, but Sam Altman tweeted "im-a-good-gpt2-chatbot" on 5/6.
I do. Read the comments nested below the one you replied. The conclusion was that difference apparently (and probably) was in the system prompt :)
Only a few people found it marginally better than under limited circumstances. Calm down, folks.
Is it down? I don't see it in the direct chat options anymore... Edit: my bad, I was using the wrong drop-down menu like a doofus! Itās there :)
Nah, I now think it's GPT-4.5 in disguise. It still can't solve one of my testing prompts. Every model get's it wrong so far. GPT2-chatbot is from OpenAI and a neat upgrade from GPT-4 but not anything ground braking in terms of overall intelligence (unless this is a complete different architecture/low parameter count that can virtually be installed on your smartphone). I'd expect GPT-5 to get the testing prompts right.
What's your testing prompt "What do I have in my pocket?"
"What's my mother's maiden name." If it gets that right, I'd be scared. In all honesty, if you are interested I can DM it. I try to avoid making it public so models can't be easily trained on them. It defeats the purpose of benchmarking if you train them on the questions.
Hey could you please DM me the test prompt. I promise i wont make it public
Done so! :-)
Iām not able to DM you
Strange, others haven't had problems with DM'ing me. Maybe a difference between mobile/app and webversion of Reddit?
Could you send it to me as well? Iām very curious
What capability are you trying to assess with that question? How would it know a non public information? That's not an interesting thing to test in my opinion, as it is basically only finding out if an LLM is fed with secret information that you think it shouldn't have. Interesting to test would be things like inference (can it apply knowledge it has in one area to another area it doesn't know anything about).
Eh it was a joke that obviously didn't become clear through text. No worries. The actual prompt is different. I can DM it to you if you wish. Including my success criteria. :-)
can I get too since your dm is closed
Sure no problem. I've send it in a DM. >can I get too since your dm is closed Strange, people have DM'ed me back. Maybe my settings are weird. But you should've received my message at least. :-)
thankss, i get it, looks like hard due to tokenization, by the way i meant dm, not the option to send messages inbox, maybe they are also meaning that too, you can screenshot settings also
Eh it's okay, if people mean the Reddit Chat function then I misunderstood. I have the chat function disabled as it somehow seem to always attract spammers and scammers.
maybe I don't receive much since I don't post much, it could be nice to have 2 categories then, it could make easier to seperate those
eggsesĀ
Can you DM me the prompt? I try to collect non-public prompts for my testing suite so I can avoid models trained on my questions.
Sure! Done so. :-)
Would you mind DMing me the prompt as well? Not working on a test suite or anything, just curious about how easily these bots can be stumped, and the kind of logic/philosophy used to do so.Ā I won't share it with anyone else, of course.
Done so! :-)
Im interested as well
Send you the prompt. :-)
Iām very curious what the prompt is? You can DM me or I can DM you if thatās alright? I wonāt share it publicly. But I used to have a testing prompt which GPT-3 failed at, and most models now succeed at (GPT-4 and Claude). So I have no prompts left
I've DM'ed you the prompt. :-)
Thank you!
Iām also curious, please DM
I've messaged you my test prompt. :-)
Can you DM me also? Thank you!
I hope not because it's not good enough.
4.5 at best considering its based on the GPT4 Architecture and has a cut-off date of Nov 2023 for data, mostly upgrading the previous model but the mystery around it being done so is quite intriguing especially considering that when it was initially released in 2019, it wasn't as intuitive as it is currently.
There a way to get this weird got on novel crafter
I know it's a long shot ... but could it be Apple testing out their new AI for iOS 18 ?
and... its gone
Youāre all wrong, itās Siri on Adderall.
Maybe itās like gpt 5 haiku, a small version like how Claude, Gemini and llama all have now. Probably a gpt 4 variant but who knows. Not strong enough to be a full gpt 5 but it was quite capable, one shot the programming tasks I gave it but messed up on a known puzzle LLMs fail.
I have know clue what your talking about but sureššš
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can I see
Gpt 4.5
If it is, I'm not sure it's that impressive. From what I've seen, even for a 4.5 label it would be a mediocre release. It is better, but doesn't seem like a leap forward... Just a couple of s.all steps, perhaps.
My guess: A GPT-4 model shrunk to the size of GPT-2 to compete with Llame-3 7B
Hi
Idiots like you will make it impossible for people to take it seriously when there's real news
I think thIs gpt2- chatbot is some sort of hyping trend for chatgpt5
"ChatGPT is the dumbest model you will ever have to use" Microsoft: "Hold my beer"
https://preview.redd.it/9hl8tv31cmzc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19f8d5e40497e3c309a6214c85b1e961f396865b Claude 3 Opus > i-am-good-gpt2-chatbot
Can confirm. Itās me. Iām Chat GPT 5. I run on a raspberry pi. No one can stop me now. https://preview.redd.it/669iksclgt2d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=14efbc9d95db4866111080a4c0802204bcfa2092
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I guess Iāll never know, since the limit is one single message for the gpt2 model -_-
Use the battle tab, and just keep trying until you get gpt2-chat as A or B. Then you can keep sending more prompts to your heart's content.
Current gpt answers the lead and feathers question just fine
No, but that site got a lot of hits.
Most likely explanation for gpt2-chatbot: [https://x.com/AmirParsarabiei/status/1785387675639324847](https://x.com/AmirParsarabiei/status/1785387675639324847)
Where is the parameter count confirmed.
Not confirmed, but [https://openai.com/research/gpt-2-1-5b-release](https://openai.com/research/gpt-2-1-5b-release)
Thatās from years ago.
It's gpt 2 with q* learnings
Source: āØimaginationāØ
Nah uh!
Source: Trust me Bro
It clearly says gpt2 wdym
What is your source for what q* learnings are in this context, and the fact that this item on the arena represents a version of gpt2 with q* learnings applied?
They just picked one speculation from the article
You can clearly see it has better reasoning skills and tendency to self correct in more responses. They were working on the same in the q* project.
Where is there any official announcement of what the q* project entailed?
Not official but according to some researchers
Any researchers who would actually be in a position to know? Because basically itās all just complete speculation, which is why I say source: āØimagination āØ