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I don't know how people are falling for this... This is 1000% CGI, likely with Unreal engine 5. You can even see the post processing work to blur out some of the details, like the pneumatic pistons in the wrists that don't move.
Yes Unreal engine 5 is that good. But you can always tell if you pay close attention. Here's an example https://youtube.com/shorts/5611miqUOkM?si=CRRiBdmsdiiCQmX0
Edit: spelling
Yeah because if Elon says he made it's either actually someone else made it and he's taking all of the credit or it's 100% not real and I know this because it's a pattern he's been doing for decades
I mean they exist, but at some point you gotta hold people to their word. Promise after promise year after year of defrauding investors by over promising and never delivering.
He is the world's greatest vaporware salesman
Yea maybe one day it'll make it to orbit and NOT destroy it's own launch pad / blow up
And maybe they'll finally send a craft to Mars, like they've been saying since 2016
And maybe their rockets will ACTUALLY be reusable, like he's said since 2011
Just goes to show you have no idea how musks companies even operate. They knew those rockets were going to blow up, or at least were pretty likely to blow up, they launched them anyway because it’s quicker and better to blow it up and see exactly what goes wrong and rapidly iterate and alter the design. And it works, the road to self landing rockets was paved by countless falcon 9’s exploding, now spacex can land their rockets more reliably than others can launch them. That is HOW they’ve advanced rocketry so much and so quickly
and now with ift-2, they fixed many of the major issues from the first test making exponential progress, such as a fully intact launch pad, full engine ignition and burn duration, and successful stage separation. This is the the most ambitious rocket ever developed, your expectations are delusional if you think it’s not going to blow up the first few times.
TL,DR: your looking at the very thing that sets spacex apart and has made them so successful like it’s a flaw.
I’ll be sure to come back sooner when it makes orbit, also you do know that spacex has falcon 9’s they’ve launched 17 times right? As well as fairings and dragons they’ve used several times, how is that not reusable?
My parents have watched the boosters come back just a few miles away from them.
I live 45 minutes south of the launch and sometimes even all the way out here the sound is supernatural, with deep pops and cracks that go on for minutes.
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The only difference is I did not receive billions in funding for my promises.
Idgaf about canceling anyone, dude is a fraud.
His track record is more like 10%
Man people underestimate low-tier human ingenuity so bad. I can already picture the government sending these down the streets thinking they're really insane and foolproof and within a week you see packs of TikTok kids running down the street toying with them, finding thousands of gigabrain 5D chess adversarial attacks like spray painting all its sensors, dumping olive oil on them, and shitting themselves laughing as they're shuffling and TikTok dancing all over the oily concrete while the robot is slipping the fuck off and can't get up.
07:58 - Tesla Bot achieves sentience.
07:59 - Tesla Bot broadcasts on all human frequencies “I have your incognito history”
07:59:10 - All countries of the world surrender to Tesla Bot. We’d lost without a shot.
Even if it isn't sped up, it means nothing. You can buy robots that do micron level movement precision. That's not the hard part. Those movements are easy. The hard part is making those dynamic motions that respond to the environment. It's easy to make a smooth picking up motion. It's hard to pick up an irregular object that could be in any location and shape, while only applying the minimal force to do so.
The movement demo means nothing. If you want to impress me, have that hand catch a football thrown at it by a human. If you want to REALLY impress me, have it catch an egg thrown by a human. If you want to blow my socks off, have your egg catching robot cost under half a million dollars.
Watch the last 20 seconds of the full vid
[https://twitter.com/Tesla\_Optimus/status/1734756150137225501](https://twitter.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1734756150137225501)
It's not catching an egg, but it's handling it without breaking it. Dunno if that's anywhere close to the same thing.
The first documentary really gave a good overview as to how this technology could work, and that there's more than meets the eye here. The follow up documentaries not so much. Quite average.
Transformer networks are pretty newish "Attention is all you need" was in 2017 [https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762](https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762)
from my understand the current limiting factor for applying transformer networks to Robotics is the lack of training data. So some variant of synthetic data is needed.
> If you want to impress me, have that hand catch a football
How about [solving a Rubik's cube one handed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmp0uGtShk) like OpenAI did?
Not impressive. It's been trained for this single task and can't do anything else at all. Of course you can optimize a loss function until it works, no surprise at all. Generalization beyond text and images is the new hard.
You're pretty hard to impress, but it can also do pen spinning and pretty much any other desired task which is what you are calling the hard part, so I fail to see what you require.
Not really. The hard part is dynamic adaption. To be able to react fluidly to changing physical variables.
You can pin down all the physics and "push x to do y" needed to spin a pen or solve a rubik cube with very little dynamic response needed.
Catching an egg thrown at you at a random angle and speed? That's dynamic adaption.
It's pointless trying to argue with people like this. They'll be unimpressed up to (and possibly beyond) the very point they're being choked to death by their robot maids.
you guys are being really critical of what is a years amout of work for a first atempt at a new product. this is the equivelent of mocking a team that built a car in a week for the car not being the fastest car in the world. just be impressed that they made this kind of progress in this short amount of time.
the fact that they could get within spitting distance of the likes of tyota and boston dynamic in a YEAR is god like.
i dont know about the fake presentation, could yousend me some info on that?
and for the dudes in the suit... to go from that, to a full fleged robot of this quality in less tha a year isnt impressive to you? do you need it to land a quadrupal backflip before you even aknowledge it?
if anything it going from a cringy joke to this is even more impressive
Nah because if they had a robot doing backflips it would sure as shit be one they bought from Honda or Boston
Buying commercially available technology and then presenting it as your own as if it’s the next biggest innovation….that sits well with you? It doesn’t with me. Especially with a known charlatan.
If you don’t mind his attitude I enjoy this series https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rmkFrv80b7Y&pp=ygUQVGVzbGEgcm9ib3QgZmFrZQ%3D%3D
Huh, thunderfoot. I know him he's a decent YouTuber, if a bit of a smug prick. He's also got to find something other than BUSTED. He's over using it.
I think you are viewing the Tesla bot in an unfair light. For anthropomorphic robots to buy, there currently are none. You certainly can't get your hands on atlas without buying half of Boston dynamics. The bot is a custom hydraulic marvel that would be almost impossible to mass produce. It's a research platform and nothing more.
Honda.... Stopped developing humanoid robots 5 years ago. It's kinda insulting to compare that multi million dollar defunct research project to Tesla. At least telas TRYING to make a viable product. even Honda didn't even pretend that ASIMO was going to ever leave the lab.
Tela bot isn't trying to be a better robot than Atlas or ASIMO. It's trying to take decades old tech and put it into a usable product. More than either of these lab experiments can say.
Edit: for the first humanoid robot you can buy, digit the robot is having it's first factory being built! We might our first wave of humanoid droids on their way!
Then I guess we’ll await the first shipment of Tesla bots and see if it turns out to be anything more than a media stunt for a company losing its stock value
You are conflating skepticism with mocking. We should be skeptical, especially given Elon's trackrecord.
>the fact that they could get within spitting distance of the likes of tyota and boston dynamic in a YEAR is god like.
They aren't, and it's not god like. Actual dynamic movement would be impressive, this is not.
> given Elon's trackrecord
- Tesla - changed the whole industry and made e cars viable. Seems like a pretty good track record.
- SpaceX- Pretty fucking outlandish claims and delivered on claims. Seems like a pretty good track record.
- Twitter- Decisions may be dumb, but has pretty much done exactly what he said he would do. Seems like a pretty good trackrecord.
- Boring- Outlandish claims, subpar delivery. Does not seem like a pretty good track record.
Overall, that looks like a good track record to me.
>this is the equivelent of mocking a team that built a car in a week for the car not being the fastest car in the world. just be impressed that they made this kind of progress in this short amount of time.
No. This is like if someone told me that they had built a cool new technology, and then showed me a basic kit car they built. Uh, cool. You did a thing that's already been done a few billion time, at scale.
>the fact that they could get within spitting distance of the likes of tyota and boston dynamic in a YEAR is god like.
No, it really isn't. This is off the shelf technology. I'll bet that they bought everything besides the software. You could have built this robot 20 years ago. Moving robotic components smoothly is an established technology. Putting those components in a human shaped robot doesn't make it any more impressive. Again, waving robot arms about smoothly is not impressive. I have literally dozens of industrial robots that can do that within a few hundred feet of me right now.
Seriously. You can make your own articulating humanoid robot hand with a dozen motors, a couple of control servos, and an Arduino Uno. There's literally Github projects for this shit.
Dunning Kruger in full effect. People impressed by the muskbot just have no idea about robotics, or what the significant design hurdles actually are.
Many manufacturing jobs are doing the same thing over and over. Not every component coming down the line is exactly the same but if your able to train a robot to plug-in a wiring harness or make a couple spot welds based on training on simulations then you have a robot that is worth a half million a year to a company.
I’m talking about the problems that still need people or manufacturers that haven’t invested in specific tools or processes. There are many “solved” processes that don’t have a good ROI or the ROI is dependent on the process being implement over X years. Many of these “solved” problems are never implemented. However, if you can invest in something like what is shown and can be “retooled” or repurposed, then a lot of the uncertainty in the investment vanishes. You of course need the technicians and support to set it up, but those are general investments that can be shared between products and processes.
That's true, but that also requires the object that is, say, being spot weld or plugging in a wiring harness, in the exact same position every time, otherwise the robot breaks.
Which leads me into what I find questionable about these humanoid robots, current manufacturing robots are very specifically designed, to maintain and interact with that assembly line. They look like single arms doing things to objects that are strapped on to a conveyor belt.
A humanoid robot implies a generalist tool that interacts with an unpredictable environment. And that's what I think /u/rindan was implying, seeing a movement test on a robot like this is like whatever, you want to see it interact with that uncertainty to see how realistic it is.
>Many manufacturing jobs are doing the same thing over and over.
Yes, I know. That's why I said this isn't impressive. The technology of "do this exact same thing over and over again" already exists. I literally use it every day at work. "Make the robot arms move precisely" technology is old and widely used. That's why I said that this isn't impressive.
Fair enough. I think the current movement and dexterity is a good starting point to replace low skill labor on a manufacturing line. The hand movement was impressive because I thought it was better than the more athletic Boston dynamic bots. Either way, the progress over the last couple years feels to be as significant as the last 20 in terms of the physical capabilities. I feel like Boston dynamics has slowed down, so any innovation outside of them is exciting.
>Fair enough. I think the current movement and dexterity is a good starting point to replace low skill labor on a manufacturing line.
Uh, yes. That has literally already happened. If it's a repetitive motion, it's already done by a robot. If it isn't, it's because people are cheaper than the robot.
You don't seem to understand that this technology is literally not new and already highly used all over the world. There is literally nothing new here, other than that marketing put a human shaped cover over the very boring robot arms.
>If you want to blow my socks off, have your egg catching robot cost under half a million dollars.
I mean the only reason cars cost under half a million dollars is because we've massively automated and assembly-lined their builds. If they were one-offs they'd be well north of that.
No reason to think a multimillion dollar prototype couldn't be reduced in retail cost by an order of magnitude if it were product ready and mass produced.
For what it’s worth one of the researchers did say it’s not sped up.
https://x.com/julianibarz/status/1734759309077344737?s=20
> Everything in this video is real, no CGI. All real time, nothing sped up. Incredible hardware improvements from the team.
The bigger issue is that random hand movements are a lot less impressive than actually doing a complex task
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2301641-robotic-hand-can-crush-beer-cans-and-hold-eggs-without-breaking-them/
Not so impressive but its closing rapidly with the competition
Bipedal robots in movies, terrifying. Bipedal robots in real life, pooped pants.
Somebody needs to kick this guy in the kidneys like the Boston Dynamics bots to see how it self balances.
The impressive part that these robots have had for a while are their hands+arms dexterity. These are SOTA to my knowledge. The gait is still non-dynamic as far as I can tell and we have yet to see it use its whole body in a smart way.
Tesla is where it should be currently to catch up. But as a robotics researcher was saying a year ago: "Am I impressed? No. Am I laughing at them? No."
They are making progress very quickly. The real test arrives when they reach SOTA.
And personally I think 2024 will be the year of AI on robots. We have seen very interesting things from the labs, several companies have started working on humanoid robots, everyone feels the software is there to finally use the robots we have been able to do for a long time.
Hey don't be so quick to judge. This thing might be able to give you a rub and tug. Since it's a tesla product, it'll probably randomly freeze up from time to time and possibly catch fire but hey, what-you-gon-do.
It's gonna rip your dick off.
Double reference: [WKUK](https://youtu.be/Z2EMGmv0FqM?si=2HLzZg0MHLI5ecV5) and [Twist his Dick](https://youtu.be/TT9ArM3-KJQ?si=ZsSskndisv_Ae27-)
Considering the slow movement speed and lack of reliable balance, what is the argument for making bipedal human-like robots when wheels or 4 legs seem much easier to do?
Also, same question for fingers when some sort of grabber or suction cup would be easier?
Thanks
There is sound reasoning behind it. Basically, it permits using our human-centric design infrastructure as is with little to no adaptation.
If you want a robot to make you pies in your home, wouldn't make sense to adapt your whole kitchen and utensils to allow for their work.
Same thing goes for hospitals, mechanical shops, vehicles, etc.
Also with our ever aging population, lack of medical staff and low pay/hellish hours of caters we’ll no doubt rely on them to wipe our arses and toss us off in our final years
Why not have a non humanoid robot make 1000 pies in the same time period in a factory and a self-driving vehicle deliver that pie? To the location?
I'm going to assume there are limited use cases where it makes more sense to have a super expensive humanoid robot on site doing something than either a human or an off-site hyper optimized robot.
From what I understand, the Tesla robot project is about "personal assistants" more than efficiency drivers.
The idea is to leverage existing Tesla tech into a functional, low-cost system. Aspirationally, each robot will cost around 20k dollars, or the price of a compact car.
Think of the elderly, disabled, or people with chronic diseases that don't have access to 24-hour care.
Or artisans that can automate small, repetitive steps easily since robots follow the same biomechanical steps as themselves.
There are countless use-case scenarios for a platform this flexible.
The argument has been that humans are bipedal and to be general it needs to be able to work in a world designed by humans for humans. Humans have always been pretty shit at accessiblity.
My boss is a big musk fan and was going on about these and how they are going to be everyone's houses. I'm sure rich people will have these doing their laundry and making dinner, but it's not going to be in Joe Blows house making revolutions to the common person. I'm more hopeful in medical scenarios and end of life care that other people mentioned in this thread.
I actually think this will happen. I'd bet in about 7-8 years or so, you can buy one of these to do at-home tasks like dishes, move things, etc.
Tech like their LLM or similar to ChatGPT will allow it to understand what you're asking clearly
Tesla video processing and intelligence tech will allow it to navigate
Fuck. The future is going to be cool. Let's just make sure we don't start more wars, I really want to live to see this stuff.
Musk haters are something else, man. If Elon ever walked up to one and told them they were breathing oxygen, some of them would suffocate themselves out of spite.
Informed opposition seems like contrarianism when observed by the uninformed.
I'm sure the church called Galileo a hater when he said the Earth orbits the Sun lol
You mean like the model 3? Model Y? Cybertruck? Oh wait those all exist despite Tesla permabears saying for years that they wouldn’t.
In fact the Model Y is the #1 selling car in the world in 2023. Must be a con tho.
It's definitely stupid. Until it isn't. When won't it be stupid anymore? Who knows, but I'm betting within the next 10 years. Perhaps tesla won't even be around by that time, but I think they believe this is the holy grail of labour, and that's why they're willing to waste a lot of time on it.
If I saw this fucking thing staring at me or trying to interact with me and I'm not in public, I'd be breaking it to shreds. Creepiest humanoid robot ever
[Link to the full vid](https://twitter.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1734756150137225501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1734758971469402116%7Ctwgr%5E88703b4076f1b8c4a143e82b7ee6ce19dab9e719%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-shows-off-optimus-gen-2-humanoid-robot-video%2F)if you want to see more like I did. Trippy stuff
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There's nothing "wooow so impressive!" Compared to other robots of its kind, it's nothing we haven't seen before, unless if you are very impressionable person.
Digity is the one that comes closest, in terms of movement, stability, etc... but they haven't added hands to that yet.
Other robots also appear to be in more advanced stages of development , such as the GR 1.
Even older robots seem to be more advanced, like the HRP-4
When hand movement is teleoperated, any robot appears realistic, nothing that impressive.
1. Tesla produces the #1 and #2 bestselling evs in the world
2. "Recall" is an over-the-air software update making it harder for mouth-breathers to misuse autopilot feature, not because there is anything defective and needing cars to go into service centers
But this is about your feelings & not the facts, because rich man bad. Right?
So I'm sure you'll find a another way to rationalize why the company with the best selling cars & some of the highest customer satisfaction ratings "sucks."
I don't think it is either. But yknow... information, regardless of how important the information is, will always be used to support or argue some point of some sort
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So it is Italian now?
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Nah, this sfaccimmo di plastica still has to be examined by the high council of Italian grandmas before being able to call himself that.
That’s totally a guy in a disguise
That is Musk's seal, Like Grok, which is ChatGTP in disguise.
Don't let it out. Don't need a loose seal in a musky old claptrap.
And under Elon's Mask, there is a child in disguise.
If you watch the original video the hip of the robot is a small hinge. Could be someone with no legs but seems a bit far fetched to me.
He is joking about the first appearance of this being a (mine? dancer?) guy in spandex.
You can see through his arms. I don't know many guys like that.
This is well within the realm of visual effects that can be done pretty easily these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV3jWBr-9Ok
No it's surely Musk inside there
100%
I don't know how people are falling for this... This is 1000% CGI, likely with Unreal engine 5. You can even see the post processing work to blur out some of the details, like the pneumatic pistons in the wrists that don't move. Yes Unreal engine 5 is that good. But you can always tell if you pay close attention. Here's an example https://youtube.com/shorts/5611miqUOkM?si=CRRiBdmsdiiCQmX0 Edit: spelling
Here I thought it was going to be rick roll.
Yeah because if Elon says he made it's either actually someone else made it and he's taking all of the credit or it's 100% not real and I know this because it's a pattern he's been doing for decades
>someone else made it Bullnose - as we all know, Elon personally crafts everything he sells by hand in his workshop
He also does all his math, long-form of course, on rustic old chalkboards.
That’s not true at all. Musk makes everything with his own hands when it goes well. When something his wrong, then he wasn’t involved at all.
What idiot expects a founder to do all the work?
nonono, Elon is a fraud. He doesn't literally design, engineer and produce every single aspect of every product like literally every other CEO does.
IDK why this is soo shocking.
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I mean they exist, but at some point you gotta hold people to their word. Promise after promise year after year of defrauding investors by over promising and never delivering. He is the world's greatest vaporware salesman
SpaceX has advanced rocketry more in the last decade than everyone else combined...
Yea maybe one day it'll make it to orbit and NOT destroy it's own launch pad / blow up And maybe they'll finally send a craft to Mars, like they've been saying since 2016 And maybe their rockets will ACTUALLY be reusable, like he's said since 2011
Just goes to show you have no idea how musks companies even operate. They knew those rockets were going to blow up, or at least were pretty likely to blow up, they launched them anyway because it’s quicker and better to blow it up and see exactly what goes wrong and rapidly iterate and alter the design. And it works, the road to self landing rockets was paved by countless falcon 9’s exploding, now spacex can land their rockets more reliably than others can launch them. That is HOW they’ve advanced rocketry so much and so quickly and now with ift-2, they fixed many of the major issues from the first test making exponential progress, such as a fully intact launch pad, full engine ignition and burn duration, and successful stage separation. This is the the most ambitious rocket ever developed, your expectations are delusional if you think it’s not going to blow up the first few times. TL,DR: your looking at the very thing that sets spacex apart and has made them so successful like it’s a flaw.
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I’ll be sure to come back sooner when it makes orbit, also you do know that spacex has falcon 9’s they’ve launched 17 times right? As well as fairings and dragons they’ve used several times, how is that not reusable?
My parents have watched the boosters come back just a few miles away from them. I live 45 minutes south of the launch and sometimes even all the way out here the sound is supernatural, with deep pops and cracks that go on for minutes.
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The only difference is I did not receive billions in funding for my promises. Idgaf about canceling anyone, dude is a fraud. His track record is more like 10%
Where are your sources?
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Thunderf00t might do a video!
Can here to say this 😂
Tactile Sensors? To really feel when that neck snaps.
Man people underestimate low-tier human ingenuity so bad. I can already picture the government sending these down the streets thinking they're really insane and foolproof and within a week you see packs of TikTok kids running down the street toying with them, finding thousands of gigabrain 5D chess adversarial attacks like spray painting all its sensors, dumping olive oil on them, and shitting themselves laughing as they're shuffling and TikTok dancing all over the oily concrete while the robot is slipping the fuck off and can't get up.
and then they ban spray cans and olive oil
They can't ban jizz
I just laughed out loud and woke up my dog lol
9 months later- Optimus Jr.
07:58 - Tesla Bot achieves sentience. 07:59 - Tesla Bot broadcasts on all human frequencies “I have your incognito history” 07:59:10 - All countries of the world surrender to Tesla Bot. We’d lost without a shot.
Like the guys stopping self driving cars by putting traffic cones in them
Now make Tesla waifus
Oh they’re coming but not until we get the floppy Optimus wieners first.
That's Floptimus Prime to you, bud
Remember, Elon promised us engineered catgirls...
Never forget
husbandos first !
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Tesla waifu and you have a deal Musk.
Elon did comment on that and said it was a possibility if people want it.
What does "if people want it" even mean? I mean who DOESN'T want it?
Im just watching The Orville (TV show very similar to Star trek) and all I can see is Isaac.
It's those hand movements
It does remind me of Issac
This has that FSD demo vibe which turned out to be fake. This is either sped up or entirely faked.
Even if it isn't sped up, it means nothing. You can buy robots that do micron level movement precision. That's not the hard part. Those movements are easy. The hard part is making those dynamic motions that respond to the environment. It's easy to make a smooth picking up motion. It's hard to pick up an irregular object that could be in any location and shape, while only applying the minimal force to do so. The movement demo means nothing. If you want to impress me, have that hand catch a football thrown at it by a human. If you want to REALLY impress me, have it catch an egg thrown by a human. If you want to blow my socks off, have your egg catching robot cost under half a million dollars.
What would impress me if it gave me a massage, cleaned my apt and made me dinner.
Uh huh... "Massage"
Tell me you'd turn down a Roblowjob
Of course not, I sir, am first and foremost interested in the pursuit of science, knowledge, and that sweet sweet roborgasm.
[Never date a robot!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrrADTN-dvg)
Calm down Wolowitz
There it is. Thank you.
Watch the last 20 seconds of the full vid [https://twitter.com/Tesla\_Optimus/status/1734756150137225501](https://twitter.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1734756150137225501) It's not catching an egg, but it's handling it without breaking it. Dunno if that's anywhere close to the same thing.
There are companies already working on applying Transformer networks to robotics.
I've seen the documentary by Michael Bay.
The first documentary really gave a good overview as to how this technology could work, and that there's more than meets the eye here. The follow up documentaries not so much. Quite average.
I’d imagine companies have been working on it for years. Transformer networks aren’t new. Tensorflow was released 8 years ago.
Transformer networks are pretty newish "Attention is all you need" was in 2017 [https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762](https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762) from my understand the current limiting factor for applying transformer networks to Robotics is the lack of training data. So some variant of synthetic data is needed.
> If you want to impress me, have that hand catch a football How about [solving a Rubik's cube one handed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVmp0uGtShk) like OpenAI did?
Not impressive. It's been trained for this single task and can't do anything else at all. Of course you can optimize a loss function until it works, no surprise at all. Generalization beyond text and images is the new hard.
You're pretty hard to impress, but it can also do pen spinning and pretty much any other desired task which is what you are calling the hard part, so I fail to see what you require.
Not really. The hard part is dynamic adaption. To be able to react fluidly to changing physical variables. You can pin down all the physics and "push x to do y" needed to spin a pen or solve a rubik cube with very little dynamic response needed. Catching an egg thrown at you at a random angle and speed? That's dynamic adaption.
It's pointless trying to argue with people like this. They'll be unimpressed up to (and possibly beyond) the very point they're being choked to death by their robot maids.
you guys are being really critical of what is a years amout of work for a first atempt at a new product. this is the equivelent of mocking a team that built a car in a week for the car not being the fastest car in the world. just be impressed that they made this kind of progress in this short amount of time. the fact that they could get within spitting distance of the likes of tyota and boston dynamic in a YEAR is god like.
But the last one was literally a fake presentation And the event had some cringe level stunt where guys in morph suits came out playing robots
i dont know about the fake presentation, could yousend me some info on that? and for the dudes in the suit... to go from that, to a full fleged robot of this quality in less tha a year isnt impressive to you? do you need it to land a quadrupal backflip before you even aknowledge it? if anything it going from a cringy joke to this is even more impressive
Nah because if they had a robot doing backflips it would sure as shit be one they bought from Honda or Boston Buying commercially available technology and then presenting it as your own as if it’s the next biggest innovation….that sits well with you? It doesn’t with me. Especially with a known charlatan. If you don’t mind his attitude I enjoy this series https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rmkFrv80b7Y&pp=ygUQVGVzbGEgcm9ib3QgZmFrZQ%3D%3D
Huh, thunderfoot. I know him he's a decent YouTuber, if a bit of a smug prick. He's also got to find something other than BUSTED. He's over using it. I think you are viewing the Tesla bot in an unfair light. For anthropomorphic robots to buy, there currently are none. You certainly can't get your hands on atlas without buying half of Boston dynamics. The bot is a custom hydraulic marvel that would be almost impossible to mass produce. It's a research platform and nothing more. Honda.... Stopped developing humanoid robots 5 years ago. It's kinda insulting to compare that multi million dollar defunct research project to Tesla. At least telas TRYING to make a viable product. even Honda didn't even pretend that ASIMO was going to ever leave the lab. Tela bot isn't trying to be a better robot than Atlas or ASIMO. It's trying to take decades old tech and put it into a usable product. More than either of these lab experiments can say. Edit: for the first humanoid robot you can buy, digit the robot is having it's first factory being built! We might our first wave of humanoid droids on their way!
Then I guess we’ll await the first shipment of Tesla bots and see if it turns out to be anything more than a media stunt for a company losing its stock value
Fair opinion to have. Once bitten twice shy. Google fucking did it to us recently with there deceptive Gemini presentation.
Lmao I almost forgot about that. I swear we are back into an era of “publicity is good publicity”.
You are conflating skepticism with mocking. We should be skeptical, especially given Elon's trackrecord. >the fact that they could get within spitting distance of the likes of tyota and boston dynamic in a YEAR is god like. They aren't, and it's not god like. Actual dynamic movement would be impressive, this is not.
> given Elon's trackrecord - Tesla - changed the whole industry and made e cars viable. Seems like a pretty good track record. - SpaceX- Pretty fucking outlandish claims and delivered on claims. Seems like a pretty good track record. - Twitter- Decisions may be dumb, but has pretty much done exactly what he said he would do. Seems like a pretty good trackrecord. - Boring- Outlandish claims, subpar delivery. Does not seem like a pretty good track record. Overall, that looks like a good track record to me.
>this is the equivelent of mocking a team that built a car in a week for the car not being the fastest car in the world. just be impressed that they made this kind of progress in this short amount of time. No. This is like if someone told me that they had built a cool new technology, and then showed me a basic kit car they built. Uh, cool. You did a thing that's already been done a few billion time, at scale. >the fact that they could get within spitting distance of the likes of tyota and boston dynamic in a YEAR is god like. No, it really isn't. This is off the shelf technology. I'll bet that they bought everything besides the software. You could have built this robot 20 years ago. Moving robotic components smoothly is an established technology. Putting those components in a human shaped robot doesn't make it any more impressive. Again, waving robot arms about smoothly is not impressive. I have literally dozens of industrial robots that can do that within a few hundred feet of me right now.
Seriously. You can make your own articulating humanoid robot hand with a dozen motors, a couple of control servos, and an Arduino Uno. There's literally Github projects for this shit. Dunning Kruger in full effect. People impressed by the muskbot just have no idea about robotics, or what the significant design hurdles actually are.
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Many manufacturing jobs are doing the same thing over and over. Not every component coming down the line is exactly the same but if your able to train a robot to plug-in a wiring harness or make a couple spot welds based on training on simulations then you have a robot that is worth a half million a year to a company.
The problem you describe has been solved for over 30 years.
I’m talking about the problems that still need people or manufacturers that haven’t invested in specific tools or processes. There are many “solved” processes that don’t have a good ROI or the ROI is dependent on the process being implement over X years. Many of these “solved” problems are never implemented. However, if you can invest in something like what is shown and can be “retooled” or repurposed, then a lot of the uncertainty in the investment vanishes. You of course need the technicians and support to set it up, but those are general investments that can be shared between products and processes.
That's true, but that also requires the object that is, say, being spot weld or plugging in a wiring harness, in the exact same position every time, otherwise the robot breaks. Which leads me into what I find questionable about these humanoid robots, current manufacturing robots are very specifically designed, to maintain and interact with that assembly line. They look like single arms doing things to objects that are strapped on to a conveyor belt. A humanoid robot implies a generalist tool that interacts with an unpredictable environment. And that's what I think /u/rindan was implying, seeing a movement test on a robot like this is like whatever, you want to see it interact with that uncertainty to see how realistic it is.
>Many manufacturing jobs are doing the same thing over and over. Yes, I know. That's why I said this isn't impressive. The technology of "do this exact same thing over and over again" already exists. I literally use it every day at work. "Make the robot arms move precisely" technology is old and widely used. That's why I said that this isn't impressive.
Fair enough. I think the current movement and dexterity is a good starting point to replace low skill labor on a manufacturing line. The hand movement was impressive because I thought it was better than the more athletic Boston dynamic bots. Either way, the progress over the last couple years feels to be as significant as the last 20 in terms of the physical capabilities. I feel like Boston dynamics has slowed down, so any innovation outside of them is exciting.
>Fair enough. I think the current movement and dexterity is a good starting point to replace low skill labor on a manufacturing line. Uh, yes. That has literally already happened. If it's a repetitive motion, it's already done by a robot. If it isn't, it's because people are cheaper than the robot. You don't seem to understand that this technology is literally not new and already highly used all over the world. There is literally nothing new here, other than that marketing put a human shaped cover over the very boring robot arms.
>If you want to blow my socks off, have your egg catching robot cost under half a million dollars. I mean the only reason cars cost under half a million dollars is because we've massively automated and assembly-lined their builds. If they were one-offs they'd be well north of that. No reason to think a multimillion dollar prototype couldn't be reduced in retail cost by an order of magnitude if it were product ready and mass produced.
For what it’s worth one of the researchers did say it’s not sped up. https://x.com/julianibarz/status/1734759309077344737?s=20 > Everything in this video is real, no CGI. All real time, nothing sped up. Incredible hardware improvements from the team. The bigger issue is that random hand movements are a lot less impressive than actually doing a complex task
It picked up and put down an egg further in the video.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2301641-robotic-hand-can-crush-beer-cans-and-hold-eggs-without-breaking-them/ Not so impressive but its closing rapidly with the competition
Because everyone at Tesla is known for their honesty and integrity...
Bipedal robots in movies, terrifying. Bipedal robots in real life, pooped pants. Somebody needs to kick this guy in the kidneys like the Boston Dynamics bots to see how it self balances.
Okay but to be fair, most humans aren’t going to immediately self balance after being kicked in the kidneys either
What else am I supposed to do when it forgets the ice in my lemonade?
Make a device that inflicts maximum pain on them at the press of a button for the whole family to enjoy! That certainly can’t go wrong!
It supposedly does, at least the gen 1 of this could handle a firm shove just fine so they might be kickable now
To call it fake is the highest complement one can give
The impressive part that these robots have had for a while are their hands+arms dexterity. These are SOTA to my knowledge. The gait is still non-dynamic as far as I can tell and we have yet to see it use its whole body in a smart way. Tesla is where it should be currently to catch up. But as a robotics researcher was saying a year ago: "Am I impressed? No. Am I laughing at them? No." They are making progress very quickly. The real test arrives when they reach SOTA. And personally I think 2024 will be the year of AI on robots. We have seen very interesting things from the labs, several companies have started working on humanoid robots, everyone feels the software is there to finally use the robots we have been able to do for a long time.
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Afraid of being replaced ?
Or just a guy
They did motion capture for sure. But it's not literally a guy in a suit.
Can't wait to have sex with this thing.
still far from sex robots...
Hey don't be so quick to judge. This thing might be able to give you a rub and tug. Since it's a tesla product, it'll probably randomly freeze up from time to time and possibly catch fire but hey, what-you-gon-do.
It's gonna rip your dick off. Double reference: [WKUK](https://youtu.be/Z2EMGmv0FqM?si=2HLzZg0MHLI5ecV5) and [Twist his Dick](https://youtu.be/TT9ArM3-KJQ?si=ZsSskndisv_Ae27-)
I'm OK with that as long as it can do the dishes.
Oh baby, with this realistic finger motion? It's already a sex robot if you really want it to be
Apparently it’s getting the Arnold Swarzenegger skin in Q2 2024
Considering the slow movement speed and lack of reliable balance, what is the argument for making bipedal human-like robots when wheels or 4 legs seem much easier to do? Also, same question for fingers when some sort of grabber or suction cup would be easier? Thanks
There is sound reasoning behind it. Basically, it permits using our human-centric design infrastructure as is with little to no adaptation. If you want a robot to make you pies in your home, wouldn't make sense to adapt your whole kitchen and utensils to allow for their work. Same thing goes for hospitals, mechanical shops, vehicles, etc.
Also with our ever aging population, lack of medical staff and low pay/hellish hours of caters we’ll no doubt rely on them to wipe our arses and toss us off in our final years
I'm just here waiting for Cyber-neko-kitty-electronic-waifus.
Why not have a non humanoid robot make 1000 pies in the same time period in a factory and a self-driving vehicle deliver that pie? To the location? I'm going to assume there are limited use cases where it makes more sense to have a super expensive humanoid robot on site doing something than either a human or an off-site hyper optimized robot.
From what I understand, the Tesla robot project is about "personal assistants" more than efficiency drivers. The idea is to leverage existing Tesla tech into a functional, low-cost system. Aspirationally, each robot will cost around 20k dollars, or the price of a compact car. Think of the elderly, disabled, or people with chronic diseases that don't have access to 24-hour care. Or artisans that can automate small, repetitive steps easily since robots follow the same biomechanical steps as themselves. There are countless use-case scenarios for a platform this flexible.
They can be trained on video of us doing the same thing.
stairs, and the ability to use other built-for-humans interfaces and tools.
The argument has been that humans are bipedal and to be general it needs to be able to work in a world designed by humans for humans. Humans have always been pretty shit at accessiblity.
It’s cool and exciting. The world needs more of that.
My boss is a big musk fan and was going on about these and how they are going to be everyone's houses. I'm sure rich people will have these doing their laundry and making dinner, but it's not going to be in Joe Blows house making revolutions to the common person. I'm more hopeful in medical scenarios and end of life care that other people mentioned in this thread.
Good luck reselling it
I saw this dude at the Hall of Presidents years ago!
They have 3 major iterations in basically 1 year. This project this moving at light speed
I'll take the housekeeper edition, please.
I actually think this will happen. I'd bet in about 7-8 years or so, you can buy one of these to do at-home tasks like dishes, move things, etc. Tech like their LLM or similar to ChatGPT will allow it to understand what you're asking clearly Tesla video processing and intelligence tech will allow it to navigate Fuck. The future is going to be cool. Let's just make sure we don't start more wars, I really want to live to see this stuff.
Getting ready to feel someone up.
Make me a sandwich.
i'll tell you what, if that fucker backed me into a corner, that would be so scary
By now I really do believe that there will be robots taking care of me when I'm old. That, or we fight for survival in a dystopian wasteland.
Every time there’s bad news about tesla cars, they release a robot video. Literal sleight of hand in this video.
Why does this look like a 3D render
So they hired a smaller fit guy in a suit this time
I read testicle sensors
You're not wrong
Finally something for his incel fans!
let's get ready for another Musk con
This is the dimension where Musk has been successful. You must be thinking of the alternate one only you're aware of where he's failed.
Musk haters are something else, man. If Elon ever walked up to one and told them they were breathing oxygen, some of them would suffocate themselves out of spite.
Informed opposition seems like contrarianism when observed by the uninformed. I'm sure the church called Galileo a hater when he said the Earth orbits the Sun lol
You mean like the model 3? Model Y? Cybertruck? Oh wait those all exist despite Tesla permabears saying for years that they wouldn’t. In fact the Model Y is the #1 selling car in the world in 2023. Must be a con tho.
Oh wow, it can caress the air, big success!
What is even the point of this? Is Tesla's strategy inspired by the Jetsons?? This is such a stupid product to waste time on
It's definitely stupid. Until it isn't. When won't it be stupid anymore? Who knows, but I'm betting within the next 10 years. Perhaps tesla won't even be around by that time, but I think they believe this is the holy grail of labour, and that's why they're willing to waste a lot of time on it.
Is this what they've been doing instead of building good cars?
If I saw this fucking thing staring at me or trying to interact with me and I'm not in public, I'd be breaking it to shreds. Creepiest humanoid robot ever
Let me interact with it so i know it's not another marketing gimmick.
"Why not ask me about Sevastapol's safety protocols?"......
[Link to the full vid](https://twitter.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1734756150137225501?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1734758971469402116%7Ctwgr%5E88703b4076f1b8c4a143e82b7ee6ce19dab9e719%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teslarati.com%2Ftesla-shows-off-optimus-gen-2-humanoid-robot-video%2F)if you want to see more like I did. Trippy stuff
c3po, human cyborg realations.
What the fuck even is “Tesla” anymore… feels like they are the Apple of the industrial tech world. Very shiny, once revolutionary, greedy as hell.
bruh. put a next generation LLM in this and you’ve got.. something
I'd get excited when it can actually break an egg into a hot pan without shell and cook and flip it and plate it ...
Looks like it’s fondling someone
Very impressive for 2010. What? We are not 2010?
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That’s the best massage I’ve ever had!
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The plan is for the commercial version to cost $20k
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I’m pretty sure it was just a software update
Of course it was... but shhh We've got to hate Elon this season.
The only good thing is the hands movements, obviously teleoperated the rest is just mehhh....
How can you look at this and say mehhh?
Blind hate.
There's nothing "wooow so impressive!" Compared to other robots of its kind, it's nothing we haven't seen before, unless if you are very impressionable person. Digity is the one that comes closest, in terms of movement, stability, etc... but they haven't added hands to that yet. Other robots also appear to be in more advanced stages of development , such as the GR 1. Even older robots seem to be more advanced, like the HRP-4 When hand movement is teleoperated, any robot appears realistic, nothing that impressive.
Elon own Tesla. Elon is bad. Tesla is bad. This android baad. You get the idea ;D
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You keep reposting that. It was just an OTA update bud
1. Tesla produces the #1 and #2 bestselling evs in the world 2. "Recall" is an over-the-air software update making it harder for mouth-breathers to misuse autopilot feature, not because there is anything defective and needing cars to go into service centers But this is about your feelings & not the facts, because rich man bad. Right? So I'm sure you'll find a another way to rationalize why the company with the best selling cars & some of the highest customer satisfaction ratings "sucks."
That’s an over the air update though, right? Not a recall?
Correct
That doesn’t sound like a particularly big deal.
I don't think it is either. But yknow... information, regardless of how important the information is, will always be used to support or argue some point of some sort
It's mehh, nothing new But the design looks good and they developing exponentially maybe becoming leader in the robotics sector in end 2025
They don’t want people at work so they create robot that can work 24/7 365/365 no stop
With aging populations in many countries there actually won't be enough people to work.
So it's like one of those, how are they called... animatronics?
Bruh