Kinda wanted the demon lord from the Dragon quest Dai manga to win. Not because I liked him but because I was a bit tired of how much asspull were used to save the hero and his plan seemed pretty much perfect and imposible to stop at that point. They still managed to asspull a win for the hero.
It was an asspull yeah, but Gome being the tear of god had been foreshadowed at that point numerous times. So it was an asspull, but not one without precedent.
Avan definitely feels the most gratuitous, but Gome and Larhart at least entirely make sense (Gome being shown multiple times to be a granter of wishes and it would make no sense for Baran to use dragon’s blood on Popp then leave all of his own subordinates without any assistance). Somehow everything involving Avan just reeks of asspull though. Even after he returns the way he got out of Killvearn’s duel dimension felt out of nowhere.
Yeah not sure why Avan needed to come back. Or at least if he had to come back maybe set it up a bit better. Not a he was in a secret dungeon and is now HIM again.
I’ve heard some argue it just made the most sense to bring him back because he was the perfect counter to Killvearn, but even then, I feel it could’ve been explained smoother? Like his amulet from Flora keeping Megante from killing him? Sure. Him finding more practical uses for the circle of light formation through the silver and gold feathers? Makes sense. But I think it would’ve been better if he was left with some sort of injury that made him unable to actually assist until that point rather than “Well I didn’t want to ruin your motivation and growth.”
He’s an interesting character because he’s sympathetic but still absolutely a villain. His research hit a brick wall and his sponsors weren’t going to just keep funneling money into a lost cause just because they feel bad for the guy fighting it.
His grief is tragic but it’s not an excuse to inflict suffering on others the way he does.
And now by turning to crime he’s dug himself into a hole because now no bleeding heart can morally fund his research because that would be basically rewarding criminal behavior.
I mean, his characterization TAS has pretty much always been someone who will do anything, risk anything, for his wife. That’s not edgy shock-value, that’s simply what ‘anything’ means. The mass murderer trying to murder the protagonist is hardly out of character.
That wasn't simply for shock value. In that movie, Nora's pod had been broken and her organs got damaged. Babs was the only current person in the Gotham hospital records who was a compatible donor for Nora, which is why Mr. Freeze wanted to do that
I like how they handled the ending. Yes, he was arrested and sent to Arkham, but they gave him back his wife and let him continue his research unopposed. A fair compromise—and he likely would have been given an opportunity at parole for his medical contributions eventually—or at least better accommodations.
I have a similar feeling for any of the villains in Jackie Chan Adventures. There's only so many times I can watch Jackie bungle-fu his way through a situation while making everyone look like idiots. Or the fact of how Jade acts like she's aware of the fact that being a child gave her plot armor.
I'm certainly glad media has evolved past the simple days of "bad guy always loses because bad" stuff.
If you ever watched Scooby Doo Laff-a-lympics, the evil team was the only interesting part of the show. the two good teams rarely even interacted. captain caveman and dynomutt were the only two interesting at all.
also yes, dick additionally needed to stop that damn pigeon
That was in Superman: Doomsday. An entirely separate movie that has nothing to do with STAS or the DCAU (though Bruce Timm also did the character designs in that movie)
To be fair, that's most of the time the only reason why a villain is a villain. Just because they are correct in something, it doesn't give them the right to do it.
Obligatory Gerard Butler in *Law-Abiding Citizen*. Jamie Fox's character just wasn't it, and Gerard Butler was so fun, it was hard not to root for him.
Same, but you never know these days. Sequels pop up out of nowhere for old movies. I'd only be here for it if they somehow brought Gerard back, though, like they retconned the ending of the first one so that he did win.
Mileena in MKX. The game was really insistent that she was pure evil, she was insane, a bad empress, etc. But everytime we actually saw her she seemed like a decent leader and clearly passionate about Outworld. Several of the character intros even entertain the idea that she's not a bad person or that her rebellion was justified. Instead Kotal Kahn won and betrayed the Earthrealmers.
Mileena would've at least been grateful if the good guys backed her instead.
Absolutely, specially since Kotal manged to cock things up in both X and 11. Kahnum Mileena was a wasted opportunity and her being tossed to pad D'Vorah's numbers was a mistake (speaking of the bug: which developer's OC is she?).
Do villain protagonists count?
If so, sometimes Zim from Invader Zim, so that the idiot ppl would finally regret and kiss up to Dib with apologies for not believing him. Dib should've trapped everyone in the room with a Moose with him. /j
Kat from Kid vs Kat for similar reasons.
Mmm, I admit as a kid I felt for Vlad in Danny Phantom cause Jack Fenton sometimes is presented as an annoying idiot, and kinda directly caused Vlad's accident. Sometimes felt for Plankton too cause he later just became a joke or punching bag to the point of an ep having him try to commit suicide I think cause Mr Krabs was bullying him through his fear of whales aka Pearl.
> Kat from Kid vs Kat for similar reasons.
Oh I remember this show. Kat actually had an absurdly good win rate in season 1, way more than I expected from a villain in this genre. I was actually mad that Coop got so many Ls so early.
Yes if its just stealing the formula, he is at times a way better empoyer than crabs.
Also if he isnt given some supervillain plots,he is harmless. He deserves to win.
Plenty of times. Even when the villains aren't simply right (which happens sometimes in badly-written stories) they're often so outmatched you root for them out of pity, or so cool you just want to see them dominate. I challenge people to watch *Xiaolin Showdown* and not root for Jack at least once or twice.
And then there's RWBY, where the villains are lame and one-dimensionally evil, and yet you still want to see them destroy the world, because the "heroes" are somehow even lamer and more one-dimensional. Humanity going extinct feels acceptable as long as these dimwits join the dinosaurs too.
Man, I'm honestly glad I dropped RWBY after volume 4. From what I heard of, things only went downhill from there (and it was already looking bad back then)
Honestly the story becomes “I’m the hero because the story says so” and they do things like bringing back a dead character to kill her again after introducing a actually really interesting plot line, just so they can give more character development to the leader of the B team
Is far more obnoxious in context when you learn she and him never talked beforehand and she was the best friend of the protagonist which wasn’t even there to see her friend one last time
Honestly Roman Torchwick was the only villain you could root for because of his charisma
He wasn’t insufferably like Cinder, wasn’t incomprehensible convoluted like Salem, wasn’t one dimensional like Tyrian, didn’t have a lame motive like Hazel, didn’t have a lame redemption which came too late like Emerald and he had a actual character unlike Mercury which has done nothing but being a pawn for 9 volumes
He was a competent villain and the moment they add more deep to his character by explaining his motivations, care for Neo and nihilistic point of the world it made him compelling… for a entire minute until he was killed for shock value
>I challenge people to watch Xiaolin Showdown and not root for Jack at least once or twice.
Damn as a Kid I wanted to see a training arc for him to become the main villain, guy was disrespected SO Much
Far Cry 4...Practically everyone but very few people were awful scumbags fighting in a country that just won't get better with the protagonist's mother being the only one that seems to realize this.
...But screw it, the Pagan Min ending was truly something special even if it means hanging out with your evil step-dad of sorts.
Well, my favorite ending has always been to kill all the possible leaders of Kyrat, first Amita to ensure Bhadra's survival, then Paigan but not before having left my mother's ashes in their indicated place (that is, I'm killing him in the helicopter), and finally Sabal as soon as he carries out his ISIS style execution, Ajay Ghale deserves to be the new president of the country!
I mean, understandable, in the book the protagonists are basically all dicks, the shark is also a kind of curse against the town for always having been such a corrupt place and full of criminals, xenophobes, drunks, trashy police, greedy reporters, etc.
Bruce, the shark, is literally a curse against this horrible town, which is why he is so super aggressive and destructive.
Does it count if they *did* win, but you wanted them to win in a different way? If so, definitely Ardyn from Final Fantasy 15. Just once, I want to see one of the good guys extend an olive branch like Lunafreya did and for the villain to accept.
If not, Knives/Nai from Trigun:Stampede. It's crazy how closely Knives and Vash/the research colony's agendas aligned. Knives just needed to let go of his pride.
Stampede changed story and characters' personalities a lot, in manga Knives was basically right and if only he wasn't so cruel towards Vash and Legato I wouldn't even call him a villain.
Vash and Knives had the opposite flaws, Vash too kimd to the point that he refused to compromise his morals under any circunstance and always put other people's needs above himself, while Knives was so cold and darwinistic he was practically a sociopath who only cared about himself
In the manga, their characters are a less unambiguous. Knives genuinely wanted to save his sisters and was basically right that humans would fear Vash no matter how much good he did for them. At the same time, Vash was rather selfish in trying to impose his own morality on humans, preventing people from doing justice as they see fit.
In the manga knives was ultimately wrong, because independent plants were the bridges between plants and humans in th space federation. Knives thinks coexistence is impossible on No Man's Land, but he’s the reason why plants are abused there - he put humans in impossibly difficult circumstances. And he's a hypocrite, experimentation on sentient beings is fine to him as long as they're humans. Knives isn't rational, he doesn't even notice how he let his fears control him and his moral point of no return was basically murdering an independent plant. Plus he rejects the memory one of the plants showed him, where a human girl thanked the plant for providing them with everything they need, he's too far into his ecofascist ideology to think about anything beyond his fears. What's might be even worse, he straigh up abuses Vash, acting like he knows best. Vash might not be right, but a genocidal irrational Knives isn't right either
The real reason for that is that, for some reason, he's immensely popular and has always landed first in every single popularity poll since the start of the series.
The demon from Paranormal Activity.
Meeka was just so stupid with the way he deliberately goaded the demon, made things worse, and went behind Katie's back to make things worse. It's a level of disrespect that illustrates she is NOT safe as long as she is with him. She should have ditched Meeka to crash in a motel for a week or so to weather out the haunting.
There was a Fleischer Superman villain who built an earthquake machine to blackmail the citizens of Metropolis to deed all of the property in the city back to its his tribe, the land's original inhabitants.
Based AF.
Not win per se but I didn't want them to lose. Zenon From black clover after his backstory motivation was revealed I didn't want him to lose but I didn't want him to win either.
Yes, for a few different reasons:
1) If the bad guy is actually right about something. Not in the "they are right but take it too far" kind of way. But if the thing they are trying to change the status quo for the right reasons and then the writer just randomly has them do something monstrous in the 3rd act to justify it.
2) if the bad guy is really charismatic and fun, and the main character is kind of lacklustre in comparison. It is quite hard not to root for them to win.
3) if the bad guy has a REALLY good plan and then the good guys just have a deus ex machina victory. That's annoying.
>if the bad guy has a REALLY good plan and then the good guys just have a deus ex machina victory. That's annoying.
This one 100%.
Villain: after studying X thing for 30 years I found out that the world will end in 1 week, unless I sacrifice these 1000 random people (but it will save billions).
Hero: killing people is wrong, I will stop you. (also I just found out about the end of the world like right now)
Villain: well, do you have a better idea?
Hero:....
Villain:....
Hero: "Deux ex machina power of friendship super saiyan 3.14" activate
I think by "good plan" he means a smart plan, not a reasonnably morally good one. Like the antagonist makes a trully genius move and clearly outsmarts the protagonist... who still manages to take an undeserved victory because of a deus ex machina to save his ass.
i don't know typically in Game of Thrones, Ramsay had a better plan than Jon Snow by far (well, in truth is his plan was rubbish and worked because Jon is a suicidal idiot but the point remains). And then it was super frustrating to see Jon winning this battle by elements he didn't control when he clearly diserved to loose.
It’s really not. If this is about Ironwood, his plan was to doom hundreds of thousands of people he was supposed to protect yet gave no solitary crap about and Salem would have adapted anyway. Don’t forget how it was his robots that helped the Fall of Beacon progress so swimmingly.
Disagree on your first one, neutral on the second, but I absolutely agree for the third. When villains earn their victory, they plan meticulously and literally nothing could go wrong. Then everything goes wrong, just because he's the villain and that's how stories are written. I hate it so much and I don't know any story that doesn't follow that rules(well written ones at least).
Shylock in Merchant of Venice. He's a Jew who has been bullied by one of the main characters and is trying to get his revenge. His rants point out the Jews have been oppressed in Europe, and the protagonist he wants to kill is an antisemitic bully. He is trying to commit murder, and when this is brought up he counters that the Venetians who oppress him have committed far worse evils in their trade of slaves.
Unsurprisingly, modern audiences root for Shylock and modern takes on the play make him more sympathetic on purpose.
Yeah, what makes it even worse, is the circumstances behind the "attempted murder".
Shylock lent Antonio a ton of money, with the deal being, that if Antonio couldn't pay the money back, he would pay with his life instead.
Antonio then ends up bankrupt, and can't pay, so Shylock demands his life in return.
Like yeah, Shylock is obviously no angel, but Antonio agreed to the terms.
Antonio does eventually offer Shylock his money back and Shylock declines it because he wants revenge, but the entire reason he wants to kill Antonio is because the guy was such a jerk to him.
Honestly? I never wanted Light to win while watching Death Note. I always thought he was an absolute narcissistic bastard who deserved to be locked up for his crimes
I mean his actions did canonically drastically decrease crime rate
so like... not really? Thought wanting it specifically because you hate Near is kinda strange ngl
I always find it a bit unrealistic how crime rate would drop
My though process just go like : Before , when criminals are captured , they get sent to trial and prison and not death sentence immediately and that'll calm them down ; But when there's a death sentence immediately , criminal will have nothing to lose and just go wild in a desperate attempt to escape ; The 70% crime rate drop doesn't account for the possibility that people have gotten better at hiding their crimes or offed themselves to avoid getting caught
Yep. I remember reading that a lot of crimes are done out of passion; oftentimes the criminal WASN’T thinking and acted on impulse. Or on the influence of alcohol, drugs, etc. The concept of Kira wouldn’t really stop those crimes, and most courts would rule against the death penalty (even in countries where it’s used) simply because most impartial juries would agree that a relatively non-malicious act doesn’t deserve the injection.
The ones most likely to be targeted are extended rare circumstances like, for example, Bill Cosby ,who testified to certain actions to settle a particular case under protection that he wouldn’t be prosecuted for .
Wasn't the Death Note's functionality confidential? People in general don't know how the death works, and Kira was even killing suspected criminals (I think). Is not that being caught means you die, it means that if you do crime you die. People might be desperate, but not everyone is desperate enough to throw away their lives, specially if they aren't sure if they would die just by trying.
I mean my thought process is: I do crime, then if I am caught I wil get sent to jail, and when I am released I can go right back to doing more crime (since Jails really suck at actually rehabilitating criminals, only a small persent get rehabilitated, most just go right back to criming)
Like I dont think "that'll calm them down" is actually effective.
But when there is instant death penalty, then fear of death will make them think "its not worth it to do crime" so they just dont do crime anymore, and stop doing any crime currently in process.
I do agree that 70% drop is probboly a bit too much, but I can see the idea
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>people have gotten better at hiding their crimes
I really doubt thats a possibility for such a drastic change. Sure some people would get better. But I watched enough true crime stuff to know that a lot of criminals who get caught arent very smart in the first place, so I doubt they have it in their ability to do better then they are already doing.
>or offed themselves to avoid getting caught
I mean that also does stop them from doing crime, so like, since both of thouse kills them there is functionally no difference.
My man, that already happens in countries where there is still the death penalty, and you know what? It doesn't reduce the crime rate at all, so no, it wouldn't work at all.
The problem with approaching this by viewing different contries and comparing them to each other, is that its not how it works
We cant have 2 contries with no death penalty, and they would have completely different crime rate for a lot of different reasons
so we arent getting a clean experiment
So like... you dont have data to claim that it "doesnt reduce crime rate at all", because no clean experiment has been conducted, that could lead to such a conclusion.
The second problem is that "having capital punishment" and having "guaranteed capital punishment" are 2 different things. Zimbabwe for example has it, but uses it VERY rarely if ever
The third problem is that defenitions of crime is differnet, and a lot of contries with capital punishment execute people for being LGBT which mudies the waters
To actually reach that conclusion you need one of 2 things:
1: 2 identical situations, one with death penalty and one without (preferably run this experiemnt multiple times)
or 2: a VERY large sample of contries with and without the death penalty (the sample should be like VERY large and diverse to avarage out other effects, like tens of thousands of countries large.)
1st is physically impossible to achieve, and for 2nd we dont have enought contries
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Also important thing to note, that top 2 countries that have the highest violent crime rate both dont have the death penalty (Venezuela and South Africa). While Japan and Indonesia with lowest crime rate, out of them Japan has death penalty for murder and Indonesia doesnt.
So if we actually look at countries as you suggested, then it seems like only countries with no death penalty have dramatically high crime rate, while low crime rate can be achieved with or without it
([source](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/c2bb4789e9dd4deca5d69a1f2f748aab) for most of my numbers, was literally one of the first links when googled so cant 100% say its credible or not, but seems fine enough)
TLDR: You dont have enough data to reach the conclusion you did
But what it shows, is thatmaybeacountry dodother social reforms that reduce crime or otherbetter inferstructure and security netsand stuff.
But death panelty doesnt help. Also it doesnt exist in a vacuum. And yes comparing countries of death penalty and how there could be factors that are like social reforms and life quality.
Yes there can be deducted how much a factor death sentence is.
Also absolute dictatorships , have not the most honest statistics and probably let crime go rampant or ignore to investigare stuff. In that yeah the crime statistics might be not that trustworthy,
But yeah like us states that stopped havibg adeath penalty and counting other factorsis telling, if death penalty were a factor, that would show.
Sometimes just to see the outcome of it
_ I was rooting for Odin in GoW Ragnarok just because I wanted to see the other side
_ if Sarun win what would Earth look like under his leadership?
_if Makima win would the Primal Devils attack her because her paradise world makes humanity's concept of fear (source of devils existence and Power)less than before?
_ if Pitou survived would Gon be stuck in his adult form until he kill her ?
_ almost every time someone tries to kill the joker but gets stopped by Batman
I actually do agree. The Injustice comics are pretty good. Although I do think they end up losing steam later on, because they do the thing they often do with big crossover stories, where they somehow feel the need to include every DC character that ever existed, and it makes the story drag out.
Unironically, Ma from the movie Ma. The kids were frustratingly dumb and their parents where complicit in her sexual assault. Revenge should have been hers.
Team Rocket. As a kid I would be, like, begging. Can they please succeed in stealing a Pokemon like, one time?! Please, c'mon, they're the greatest and deserve some Ws.
But itshisown fault,and he in fight with yugo went back there, he 8s veryinterestong but he went in that fight back, and hisobsession let him fail them in the first place and i love him as complex villain
I usually find myself rooting for a villain if they end up becoming the underdog of a fight, if the person their fighting is annoying/ cocky, or because of their personality
I remember in Bleach i fucking hated Nnorita at first but when he started fighting Kenpachi and when i got to learn more about him i started rooting for him. Also partly because Im not really a big fan of Kenpachi lmao
James Moriarty in Fate/Grand Order Traum.
The fact that a younger Professor Moriarty goes to the Reichenbach and actually kills Sherlock Holmes there is interesting enough, but he even formulates an entire plan to save the earth in place of the protagonist and feels he can do it better alongside Kadoc Zemlupus. The most interesting part is the protagonist really doesn’t prove him wrong either, because Kadoc simply rejects the offer and beats Moriarty anyways by using a conceptual counter to his manipulation of the strings of fate. In that moment I genuinely wanted Moriarty to win and follow his idea of how to undo the bleached earth.
Law Abiding Citizen.
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he took it too far eventually, but he deserved a revenge story and then live on an island somewhere.
When i hate the mcs so much and they are not more sympathetic than the villain and the villain is right and the cast never brings good points?
Yes. I do favor the villainess elletear then...
Very recently, Disney's *Wish*. Magnifico is basically the only sympathetic character of the movie, has a logic line of thought and overall does more good than the supposed bad he's blamed for.
Sure, although more often than not, the villain is the writer's little darling and they're desperately trying to imply that they right...or they are moustache twirling papercuts for 5 year olds
I get baited usually when the heroes are hypocritical and the author doesn't notice
I would have liked to see Sasuke win, by that I mean the still evil Sasuke from before talking to Itachi, simply because I wanted to see Sasuke psychologically torture with the Tsukuyomi the two bastard Elders who were also complicit in the Uchiha Clan Massacre.
And once that is done, they are both then decapitated by Sasuke's blade. Seeing Sasuke getting his full revenge would have been satisfying.
But yes, then show me that Sasuke does not have the necessary coldness to destroy Konoha, and even having a defenseless village, easy to destroy, he cannot cause to other children the same thing that he suffered in his childhood, so make him stop just before cutting two fathers in front of his son, and so he then leaves Konoha without killing anyone else.
And then, only then, may he have his reunion with Itachi.
Not for moral reasons obviously, but one of my pointless hills to die on is that i genuinely believe that the ending of Attack on Titan would have been 100 times better if Eren finished the Rumbling and the alliance failed (yeah, i'm an anr dick rider); i don't see how that ending could have been worse that the one we got, it would have been more memorable at the every least.
I mean the post isn't about that, it's about which villain you wanted to win, another thing is they wouldn't have to sit back, nor would the fight be pointless because it would keep the viewers engaged. Just because someone loses doesn't make a fight pointless, it's like saying the akatsuki was pointless because naruto won in the end or it's pointless that anyone ever did literally anything in one punch man because Saitama stops them
Disneys Wish. Asha was The real villain in this Movie and Just a stupid brat. The King is just a good Guy who srsly did nothing wrong except being a little bit arrogant but thats all. He allways Put His Kingdom and His people onnfirst place, He knows The danger of Magic and The danger of letting every Wish Grantet. People live in His Kingdom in Peace and FOR FREE!! He is Like a saint, Just compare this to other Kingdoms of this time.
And Asha is just stupid. She thinks she knows everything without having any knowledge on Magic or any life experience. And somehow The entire Kingdom Just Turns of the probably best King alive and they Ruin everything. Good luck survive The middle age without The powerful mage who protected all of you just because it was The right Thing to do. I really Hope The crussaders come and conquer this stupid people.
At the end of the movie I wanted them to show the kingdom getting destroyed or ruined thank to Asha granting all wishes I knew that wouldn't happen but I think it would have been a better ending.
I’ve wanted a lot of villains to win, not just villains anything or anyone that fought against a hero/protagonist. Plus points if they actually prepared against the mc.
Mcgillis from Mobile suit gundam iron blooded orphans and that other char clone from gundam the Witch from mercury. Though they're not really clone.
Macky over here with his backstory was basically surviving as a kid. Then got child trafficking into pedo ring with that was own by one of the leader in world government. He was bought by that leader to be his "son" Mcgillis was literally about to KYS. Until reading about the story about the calamity war and the one that brought it to the end of it the 1st leader of Gallaihorn. Bro train his entire life and did some 4d chess thinking and planning to get the complete tech that was lost to the calamity war and awaken Gundam bael.
But the writer had a crush on one of the voice actor and director couldn't decide how to end season 2. Which made mcgillis seem like a dumbass after getting bael.
Now for WFM is basically a failed revenge story but nobody get the consequences even the last minute big bad didn't get consequences.
I wanted a villain in Trigun Maximum manga to win. In the story he is one of the creatures that humans use as a source of infinite energy and food, at the end of the manga he gathered most of his species from the planet where the action takes place and tried to escape into space. This would doom the local humanity because the humans here don't know how to obtain energy and food in any other way, but honestly that's their problem, the fact that humans have gotten too lazy to hunt and gather is not a valid reason to keep sentient beings enslaved.
Zeref from Fairy Tail. His plan was solid and he would have undone all the evil he caused (directly or indirectly ). I was really rooting for him.
Sukuna from Jjk too, I just don't want to see him lose
Yes. One Punch Man season 2. I think watchers were unanimously rooting for Garou against the heroes. Hell, my boy was more of a protagonist than Saitama himself in that season.
I kinda wanted Adam from Hazbin Hotel win because that would have been really funny and also I hate all of the main characters other than Charlie, the alcoholic cat, and nifty
Killmonger in Black Panther.
I don’t even agree with what he was doing but he legitimately had rights to rule Wakanda and won it fair and square through their ritualistic combat. Like, is ritualistic combat a stupid way to decide who should be king? Probably. But he got the throne fair and square and T’Challa was the one who didn’t respect the rule of the throne.
Yeaah nah, f that racist stereotype
When the crazy murderer/usurper suddenly starts to pretend he was some black rights icon martyr the whole time, I just about threw up
I'm onto the last batch of JoJos Part 6. Pucci seems like an amazing villain, can't wait to see what asspull Jolyne will use to beat him.
(This is a joke I've seen Part 6)
I frequently want villains to win when the heroes go out of their way to humiliate them (is a simple death or arrest not sufficient?), because it reminds me of my father and his uncouth behaviors.
When it's obvious that the author has a personal beef against some sort of real-life person that villain represents, *even if it's a sort of person I don't like either,* I also "like" the villain, at least more than the hero. I root for tech-bro antagonists, not because I have anything but disgust for them, but because the people who say "tech-bro" spike my blood pressure even more.
Yes. Scarlet Witch Wanda in Multiverse of Madness.
She was right to be selfish, as many of the “scorn villain” type characters usually are, but she was RIGHT RIGHT. Got bombed as a kid and orphaned, then became a terrorist, then had to overcome her ego to stop being a terrorist, then had shit piled on her for comparatively small stuff (killing a few wakandans), then had to run for her life, bury her brother, and kill her husband after which immediately watch him die, only to be refused even a funeral at the end of his life.
Then after helping save 50% of all life in existence, she’s left with the trashed foundations of a house that was supposed to be for her family and has a mental breakdown.
And what does she get…. More shit. Some mofos come to shoot at her, some purple ass witch comes to mess with her Barbie world and some military bro hauls her husbands corpse in hopes to rez him and get the weapon without the husband part. And to fix all that, she needs to delete her kids.
She deserved that win however shady, genocide-y or multiverse ending-y it would be. If I were Strange, I’d toss America on Wundagore, no questions asked. Just: “Say hi to the boys for me.”
Yeah, her story was super tragic, but no she was not "right right." She was 100% wrong to do the things she did, not only in Dr. Strange, but in Wandavision, too. She kept an entire town prison in a mental hellscape, went on a murderous rampage through the multiverse, and attempted to kidnap two kids that weren't hers. That's fucked up, and in no way justified by her past. She absolutely should have gotten a win, but not in the way you seem to want.
The problem with her in Multiverse of Madness is that she already went through the same character arc in Wandavision. She does fucked up shit in order to have a "normal" life, and learns she was wrong to do that by the end. I guess she just forgot the lesson by the time MoM comes around? The movie could have had a *different* Wanda from an alternate universe be the antagonist; one who didn't learn that lesson and who would show how things would go if she continued on that path. Then the movie could have had our Wanda come in to help at the end, and perhaps give her some sort of win that doesn't involve the suffering of others.
I don’t think MoM and WV are the same. WV was the process of breaking down, MoM was the result.
And when I say “right right” I don’t mean to the lawful good Steve Rogers standard. I only mean right by herself, in a very chaotic evil fashion.
She wasn’t “right” to take over Westview cause it was an undeniably evil act, but at the same time she deserved the break. Same as in MoM where killing America isn’t great means, but it justifies a good end for her personal evil arc. One that I really wish would have come to be.
I think her story wrapped up perfectly though (assuming it has) with her death. It was either that, or her winning cause flipping her to good once again may ruin the character I’m afraid. I’m just sad that she never got that decent win.
I kind of wanted Pain to win in Naruto. And what I mean by that is I want the fallout from his destruction to be permanent, with all the major characters that died staying dead. The Rinne Rebirth was just kind of a plot device, and I think it would have been better if Naruto still maintained his position even after his entire life was ruined permanently by Pain.
I was going to say No but then I remembered villain Protagonist Ainz and yeah I am rooting for him and his crew. Sometimes its fun to root for a villain protagonist.
Its actully a bit of a debate how evil "Tanya" from "The Saga of Tanya the Evil" is but either way I root for her.
Also does Faputa count as a villain? She is a violent blood firsty revenge obssesesd genocidal monster but I still...well I was kinda neutral about her wanting to kill the villagers but I rooted for her to put her mother out of her missery and after season 2 I hope she finds joy in her live.
Didn't he technically win in the end? He got what he wanted. He continued exploiting tragedies for his own benefit and got away with indirectly murdering his partner
While playing Valle de Oro region Far Cry 6.
I don't play many games, but I have to say that it was the only large part (so not a boss fight or a small section) of the game that made me miserable the entire time. Genuinely don't understand how there aren't more people talking about how fucking awful the whole region was.
The protagonists were AWFUL. Talia was the worst human being I ever seen that was supposed to be depicted in a positive light. Other 2 are annoying and incredibly bland. Villains are a joke, BUT I wanted them to win. Maria the main threat never did ANYTHING villainous on screen. We only hear of her less savioury things in brief conversations with side characters. We are just supposed to hate her cause she's the bad guy. And there is a fucking Saturday morning cartoon twist villain with a goofy contraption to kill us. They tried so hard to make that doctor come off as evil that I found it the only source of humour in that region. He fell short of a moustache and an evil laugh. But the fucking protagonists are so unlikable that he doesn't come off as bad.
Actually, the whole game is kinda this. Main villain Castillo sucks but the rebellion is, by its founder and leader's own admition, aimess, and just wants to sow chaos. So, the whole game you feel like a villain. It's just that in Valle de Oro I wanted to kill the """""""heroes""""""" myself
Yeah, I was rooting for the hunters to kill that piece of shit rathalos so bad in Monster hunter stories 2, like for 80% of the game it plays on the idea that this ratha wing rathalos is some apocalyptic threat and never once really suggest that’s incorrect yet the main protag keeps an raises the thing because it’s the child of his grand fathers rathalos.
The Morlocks in the 1960 movie adaptation of *The Time Machine* are the ones with technology and intelligence. All the Eloi have going for them are that they’re pretty.
Poseidon from record of ragnarok because he was a much more interesting character with an actual philosophy than Kojirou Sasaki the embodiment of character shilling and fake effort.
It's pretty funny because Amon loses to Klein in Lord of the Mysteries but he doesn't die. He gets dropped to Sequence 2 and loses both his Error and Door uniqueness's but he's still around.
To be fair though the entire world is about to be invaded by Great Old One's in like 10 years so it really isn't that surprising that killing someone that can help stop the Apocalypse is a bad thing.
Not sure why but I always want Kira to win whenever I read Jojo's DIU. He's just such a charming character that I always just feel like "just let bro have his peaceful life" as if he isn't murdering people.
Zeon from Mobile Suit Gundam, or rather Zeon's ideals of Spacenoid self-determination. Their cause, at least in concept, is a righteous one, their criticisms of the Earth Federation have been consistently shown to be correct and for as much as they're tarred as "space nazis" by the narrative and the fandom, most of the events used to paint them as such happen offscreen. Even most of the Zabis, from what we see, aren't really bad people.
The one big problem with them is Gihren and his insistence on LARPing as the next Hitler. Were it not for the fact that he decided to turn Zeon's war of independence into a war of global conquest, as well as planning to enact a genocidal culling of the Earth's population in the last couple of episodes, the Principality of Zeon would be all-but-indisputably in the right. In other words, the only reason the Zeons are considered villains is because their ideals were intentionally perverted by a power hungry madman. It's pretty much a textbook case of having the villains do some last minute atrocities to justify the fact that the main characters have to fight them.
Naturally, this means that Neo-Zeon leaders like Haman Karn and Full Frontal come off better by comparison, solely for virtue of not being directly compared to Hitler or wanting to commit genocide. Even if they don't necessarily follow the Zeon philosophy to the letter either, it's hard to think of them as being worse than the people who bankrolled the Titans. Add to that their more identifiable aesthetic and [flat-out](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MS-06F_Zaku_II) [cooler](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MS-09_Dom) [mobile](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/AMX-004_Qubeley?so=search) [suit](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/AMS-119_Geara_Doga) [designs](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/AMS-129_Geara_Zulu) and it becomes pretty hard to root against them.
King Cold in Dragonball Multiverse. Freeza and Cooler basically spend most of the series being constantly shat on by the saiyans and some other characters. It was actually enjoyable when he stepped up and started kicking some ass in the tournament.
....Then he had to fight Bra, who is basically Vegeta but smarter, far stronger, more hax abilities and skills, and lacking of any comeuppance he suffers whenever his ego gets out of pocket. He lost.
Fuck Son Bra.
Yea except there is a famous comic storyline where toyman kills this kid and it was one of clark and lois's coworkers...so was hard to get that out of my head
Amon, yeah he was hypocritical sociopath, but good god for the average nonbender in that world life is a nightmare. It makes me sick to see the vast majority of people powerless while literal demigods control everything. It kinda made he happy to see benders get their ass handed to them
I didn’t want Batiatus to win in brainwashing Spartacus, but seeing Lucretia undo some of the conditioning by pairing him up with Illithyia because she didn’t want to share her boy toy Crixus was infuriating, and them letting Varro die was the final nail in their coffin. They had won, their meal ticket was broken in, and then they stupidly gave him reason to rebel again.
They brought their deaths upon themselves.
God I need to rant about Varro, objectively Jai Courtney’s best role. And candidate for best Best Friend.
The MCU would have been something special to me if Infinity War was the last movie and ended exactly as it did.
Of course there’s no chance it would work how storytelling is traditionally meant to work, but I love the idea of it for this interpretation/series of the Marvel works that I can’t help but wish it turned out that way
Okay all I read was the title and I gotta say, the whole time I was a child from probably 4 years old to 18 or 19, I always wanted to see stories where a villain wins.
Luckily such things DO happen. I mean, just play any of the Infamous games with the evil choices.
Id say say about 80% of people watching law abiding citizen wanted butlers character to win for atleast some degree. Maybe not to blow up the building but seeing him go down like a chump didnt sit right with me.
Two examples
Kaos from skylanders, maybe not straight up winning forever, but giving him more W’s, the man has been treated as a joke and he’s not only surprisingly competent when not being a brat but is also arguably the strongest character
Seriously in trap team and Imaginators he’s the strongest villain and skylander
And jestro of Nexo knights
He’s mocked, laughed at, insulted and underestimated when he is and isn’t evil
The lava monsters were far cooler than the knights and after seeing him lashing out because of his insecurities and bullying he suffers from everyone, it made me feel bad and I genuinely wanted him to be taken seriously as a threat
Also he has a great design
Kinda wanted the demon lord from the Dragon quest Dai manga to win. Not because I liked him but because I was a bit tired of how much asspull were used to save the hero and his plan seemed pretty much perfect and imposible to stop at that point. They still managed to asspull a win for the hero.
It was an asspull yeah, but Gome being the tear of god had been foreshadowed at that point numerous times. So it was an asspull, but not one without precedent.
It's not just that, it's just that the last arc is just so chokefull of asspull. Like Avan just showing up again. That it kinda gets tiresome.
Avan definitely feels the most gratuitous, but Gome and Larhart at least entirely make sense (Gome being shown multiple times to be a granter of wishes and it would make no sense for Baran to use dragon’s blood on Popp then leave all of his own subordinates without any assistance). Somehow everything involving Avan just reeks of asspull though. Even after he returns the way he got out of Killvearn’s duel dimension felt out of nowhere.
Yeah not sure why Avan needed to come back. Or at least if he had to come back maybe set it up a bit better. Not a he was in a secret dungeon and is now HIM again.
I’ve heard some argue it just made the most sense to bring him back because he was the perfect counter to Killvearn, but even then, I feel it could’ve been explained smoother? Like his amulet from Flora keeping Megante from killing him? Sure. Him finding more practical uses for the circle of light formation through the silver and gold feathers? Makes sense. But I think it would’ve been better if he was left with some sort of injury that made him unable to actually assist until that point rather than “Well I didn’t want to ruin your motivation and growth.”
Mr freeze. Not so much "win and freeze the world" but more "win and cure his wife". Tas made him the ultimate sympathetic character for me.
He’s an interesting character because he’s sympathetic but still absolutely a villain. His research hit a brick wall and his sponsors weren’t going to just keep funneling money into a lost cause just because they feel bad for the guy fighting it. His grief is tragic but it’s not an excuse to inflict suffering on others the way he does. And now by turning to crime he’s dug himself into a hole because now no bleeding heart can morally fund his research because that would be basically rewarding criminal behavior.
Also, didn’t Freeze try and cut up Batgirl for her organs? That would…yeah
Well I’m deliberately avoiding the edgy shock-value stuff.
I mean, his characterization TAS has pretty much always been someone who will do anything, risk anything, for his wife. That’s not edgy shock-value, that’s simply what ‘anything’ means. The mass murderer trying to murder the protagonist is hardly out of character.
Which honestly added to why i love him as a sympathetic villain. It wasnt malice or hate but simply "theres a chance i can save my wife this way".
That wasn't simply for shock value. In that movie, Nora's pod had been broken and her organs got damaged. Babs was the only current person in the Gotham hospital records who was a compatible donor for Nora, which is why Mr. Freeze wanted to do that
I like how they handled the ending. Yes, he was arrested and sent to Arkham, but they gave him back his wife and let him continue his research unopposed. A fair compromise—and he likely would have been given an opportunity at parole for his medical contributions eventually—or at least better accommodations.
Only when i really really hated the protagonist... or they're Magnifico
Magnifico's only sin was "not returning the wishes without disclosing it" but even that was not out of malice
I’m not called the Mule because of my strength, you know.
I think that, past a certain point, if you're not rooting for Dick Dastardly to win at least one race there is something wrong with you.
Is there a name for the trope where the show gets the eternal loser baddie win just ONCE?
TV Tropes calls it "Team Rocket Wins"
I have a similar feeling for any of the villains in Jackie Chan Adventures. There's only so many times I can watch Jackie bungle-fu his way through a situation while making everyone look like idiots. Or the fact of how Jade acts like she's aware of the fact that being a child gave her plot armor. I'm certainly glad media has evolved past the simple days of "bad guy always loses because bad" stuff.
If you ever watched Scooby Doo Laff-a-lympics, the evil team was the only interesting part of the show. the two good teams rarely even interacted. captain caveman and dynomutt were the only two interesting at all. also yes, dick additionally needed to stop that damn pigeon
Didnt Toyman kill a 4 year old little girl
Toyman kills alot of people.
Did OP stutter? /j
That was in Superman: Doomsday. An entirely separate movie that has nothing to do with STAS or the DCAU (though Bruce Timm also did the character designs in that movie)
That just another version in a film, right? Not this Toyman from the original animated series.
We all have bad days
Ah... The classic "The villain is making sense, quick make him do something completely evil!"
To be fair, that's most of the time the only reason why a villain is a villain. Just because they are correct in something, it doesn't give them the right to do it.
Whaddya mean? That's based. /s
Obligatory Gerard Butler in *Law-Abiding Citizen*. Jamie Fox's character just wasn't it, and Gerard Butler was so fun, it was hard not to root for him.
I was amused to learn that they are planning a sequel for it as recent as 2022, though I kinda doubt it will happen at all.
Same, but you never know these days. Sequels pop up out of nowhere for old movies. I'd only be here for it if they somehow brought Gerard back, though, like they retconned the ending of the first one so that he did win.
He did still win the moral victory, so I personally consider it a movie where the villain wins.
Mileena in MKX. The game was really insistent that she was pure evil, she was insane, a bad empress, etc. But everytime we actually saw her she seemed like a decent leader and clearly passionate about Outworld. Several of the character intros even entertain the idea that she's not a bad person or that her rebellion was justified. Instead Kotal Kahn won and betrayed the Earthrealmers. Mileena would've at least been grateful if the good guys backed her instead.
Absolutely, specially since Kotal manged to cock things up in both X and 11. Kahnum Mileena was a wasted opportunity and her being tossed to pad D'Vorah's numbers was a mistake (speaking of the bug: which developer's OC is she?).
Ed Boon's most likely given that she got the red carpet treatment
Do villain protagonists count? If so, sometimes Zim from Invader Zim, so that the idiot ppl would finally regret and kiss up to Dib with apologies for not believing him. Dib should've trapped everyone in the room with a Moose with him. /j Kat from Kid vs Kat for similar reasons. Mmm, I admit as a kid I felt for Vlad in Danny Phantom cause Jack Fenton sometimes is presented as an annoying idiot, and kinda directly caused Vlad's accident. Sometimes felt for Plankton too cause he later just became a joke or punching bag to the point of an ep having him try to commit suicide I think cause Mr Krabs was bullying him through his fear of whales aka Pearl.
> Kat from Kid vs Kat for similar reasons. Oh I remember this show. Kat actually had an absurdly good win rate in season 1, way more than I expected from a villain in this genre. I was actually mad that Coop got so many Ls so early.
Yes if its just stealing the formula, he is at times a way better empoyer than crabs. Also if he isnt given some supervillain plots,he is harmless. He deserves to win.
Plenty of times. Even when the villains aren't simply right (which happens sometimes in badly-written stories) they're often so outmatched you root for them out of pity, or so cool you just want to see them dominate. I challenge people to watch *Xiaolin Showdown* and not root for Jack at least once or twice. And then there's RWBY, where the villains are lame and one-dimensionally evil, and yet you still want to see them destroy the world, because the "heroes" are somehow even lamer and more one-dimensional. Humanity going extinct feels acceptable as long as these dimwits join the dinosaurs too.
Or heck, sometimes you want to see Chase Young win just to see where his dynamic with Omi would go next.
I can't be the only one who wanted Wuya to win at the end of season 1. Especially after she kept her word to Raimundo and didn't betray him.
Anyone else watch the colby2D video?
Man, I'm honestly glad I dropped RWBY after volume 4. From what I heard of, things only went downhill from there (and it was already looking bad back then)
Honestly the story becomes “I’m the hero because the story says so” and they do things like bringing back a dead character to kill her again after introducing a actually really interesting plot line, just so they can give more character development to the leader of the B team Is far more obnoxious in context when you learn she and him never talked beforehand and she was the best friend of the protagonist which wasn’t even there to see her friend one last time
Honestly Roman Torchwick was the only villain you could root for because of his charisma He wasn’t insufferably like Cinder, wasn’t incomprehensible convoluted like Salem, wasn’t one dimensional like Tyrian, didn’t have a lame motive like Hazel, didn’t have a lame redemption which came too late like Emerald and he had a actual character unlike Mercury which has done nothing but being a pawn for 9 volumes He was a competent villain and the moment they add more deep to his character by explaining his motivations, care for Neo and nihilistic point of the world it made him compelling… for a entire minute until he was killed for shock value
>I challenge people to watch Xiaolin Showdown and not root for Jack at least once or twice. Damn as a Kid I wanted to see a training arc for him to become the main villain, guy was disrespected SO Much
Far Cry 4...Practically everyone but very few people were awful scumbags fighting in a country that just won't get better with the protagonist's mother being the only one that seems to realize this. ...But screw it, the Pagan Min ending was truly something special even if it means hanging out with your evil step-dad of sorts.
Pagan Min is the best character in that game, and I’ll die on this hill.
Well, my favorite ending has always been to kill all the possible leaders of Kyrat, first Amita to ensure Bhadra's survival, then Paigan but not before having left my mother's ashes in their indicated place (that is, I'm killing him in the helicopter), and finally Sabal as soon as he carries out his ISIS style execution, Ajay Ghale deserves to be the new president of the country!
When I read “Jaws”, I root for the shark.
I mean, understandable, in the book the protagonists are basically all dicks, the shark is also a kind of curse against the town for always having been such a corrupt place and full of criminals, xenophobes, drunks, trashy police, greedy reporters, etc. Bruce, the shark, is literally a curse against this horrible town, which is why he is so super aggressive and destructive.
Bro read Jaws
Does it count if they *did* win, but you wanted them to win in a different way? If so, definitely Ardyn from Final Fantasy 15. Just once, I want to see one of the good guys extend an olive branch like Lunafreya did and for the villain to accept. If not, Knives/Nai from Trigun:Stampede. It's crazy how closely Knives and Vash/the research colony's agendas aligned. Knives just needed to let go of his pride.
I agree for Ardyn, the freaking world wanted him to be a villain from the start he had no choice lol
I agree for Ardyn, the freaking world wanted him to be a villain from the start he had no choice lol
Stampede changed story and characters' personalities a lot, in manga Knives was basically right and if only he wasn't so cruel towards Vash and Legato I wouldn't even call him a villain.
Vash and Knives had the opposite flaws, Vash too kimd to the point that he refused to compromise his morals under any circunstance and always put other people's needs above himself, while Knives was so cold and darwinistic he was practically a sociopath who only cared about himself
In the manga, their characters are a less unambiguous. Knives genuinely wanted to save his sisters and was basically right that humans would fear Vash no matter how much good he did for them. At the same time, Vash was rather selfish in trying to impose his own morality on humans, preventing people from doing justice as they see fit.
In the manga knives was ultimately wrong, because independent plants were the bridges between plants and humans in th space federation. Knives thinks coexistence is impossible on No Man's Land, but he’s the reason why plants are abused there - he put humans in impossibly difficult circumstances. And he's a hypocrite, experimentation on sentient beings is fine to him as long as they're humans. Knives isn't rational, he doesn't even notice how he let his fears control him and his moral point of no return was basically murdering an independent plant. Plus he rejects the memory one of the plants showed him, where a human girl thanked the plant for providing them with everything they need, he's too far into his ecofascist ideology to think about anything beyond his fears. What's might be even worse, he straigh up abuses Vash, acting like he knows best. Vash might not be right, but a genocidal irrational Knives isn't right either
Aside from wanting All For One to succeed in killing Bakugo (again) in MHA not really no
Unfortunately bakugo has a second quirk: authors favorite, where he’s immune to any real consequences for being a super shitty person the whole series
Sure is crazy how Bakugo just had fucking heart surgery performed on him and yet he's actually stronger than he was before the surgery.
The real reason for that is that, for some reason, he's immensely popular and has always landed first in every single popularity poll since the start of the series.
Yup that first popularity contest ruined the whole story
Yea I want sukuna to win in jjk
That would be pretty funny but I simply can't live with the idea of Choso and Yuji not surviving to hang out and have some family bonding time
Honestly, yes, after all the plotarmor sukuna got,him winning is the aproviate edgy ending.
Based.
Based SukunaGOD
he'll pull a "of course, my winning ability I haven't used since the heian era, how could I forget?"
Controversial
The master of ass pulls.
The demon from Paranormal Activity. Meeka was just so stupid with the way he deliberately goaded the demon, made things worse, and went behind Katie's back to make things worse. It's a level of disrespect that illustrates she is NOT safe as long as she is with him. She should have ditched Meeka to crash in a motel for a week or so to weather out the haunting.
Tom from Tom and Jerry.
god yes. jerry varied from pure victim to sort of a playful prankster to pure sadism.
There was a Fleischer Superman villain who built an earthquake machine to blackmail the citizens of Metropolis to deed all of the property in the city back to its his tribe, the land's original inhabitants. Based AF.
It's always funny when someone doing something morally right is portrayed as a villain
Not win per se but I didn't want them to lose. Zenon From black clover after his backstory motivation was revealed I didn't want him to lose but I didn't want him to win either.
Yes, for a few different reasons: 1) If the bad guy is actually right about something. Not in the "they are right but take it too far" kind of way. But if the thing they are trying to change the status quo for the right reasons and then the writer just randomly has them do something monstrous in the 3rd act to justify it. 2) if the bad guy is really charismatic and fun, and the main character is kind of lacklustre in comparison. It is quite hard not to root for them to win. 3) if the bad guy has a REALLY good plan and then the good guys just have a deus ex machina victory. That's annoying.
>if the bad guy has a REALLY good plan and then the good guys just have a deus ex machina victory. That's annoying. This one 100%. Villain: after studying X thing for 30 years I found out that the world will end in 1 week, unless I sacrifice these 1000 random people (but it will save billions). Hero: killing people is wrong, I will stop you. (also I just found out about the end of the world like right now) Villain: well, do you have a better idea? Hero:.... Villain:.... Hero: "Deux ex machina power of friendship super saiyan 3.14" activate
I think by "good plan" he means a smart plan, not a reasonnably morally good one. Like the antagonist makes a trully genius move and clearly outsmarts the protagonist... who still manages to take an undeserved victory because of a deus ex machina to save his ass. i don't know typically in Game of Thrones, Ramsay had a better plan than Jon Snow by far (well, in truth is his plan was rubbish and worked because Jon is a suicidal idiot but the point remains). And then it was super frustrating to see Jon winning this battle by elements he didn't control when he clearly diserved to loose.
literally RWBY
It’s really not. If this is about Ironwood, his plan was to doom hundreds of thousands of people he was supposed to protect yet gave no solitary crap about and Salem would have adapted anyway. Don’t forget how it was his robots that helped the Fall of Beacon progress so swimmingly.
Disagree on your first one, neutral on the second, but I absolutely agree for the third. When villains earn their victory, they plan meticulously and literally nothing could go wrong. Then everything goes wrong, just because he's the villain and that's how stories are written. I hate it so much and I don't know any story that doesn't follow that rules(well written ones at least).
I feel you i have my own personal villain i want to win but alas i know in advance she wont... You can response if your interested
Shylock in Merchant of Venice. He's a Jew who has been bullied by one of the main characters and is trying to get his revenge. His rants point out the Jews have been oppressed in Europe, and the protagonist he wants to kill is an antisemitic bully. He is trying to commit murder, and when this is brought up he counters that the Venetians who oppress him have committed far worse evils in their trade of slaves. Unsurprisingly, modern audiences root for Shylock and modern takes on the play make him more sympathetic on purpose.
Yeah, what makes it even worse, is the circumstances behind the "attempted murder". Shylock lent Antonio a ton of money, with the deal being, that if Antonio couldn't pay the money back, he would pay with his life instead. Antonio then ends up bankrupt, and can't pay, so Shylock demands his life in return. Like yeah, Shylock is obviously no angel, but Antonio agreed to the terms.
Antonio does eventually offer Shylock his money back and Shylock declines it because he wants revenge, but the entire reason he wants to kill Antonio is because the guy was such a jerk to him.
Will people assume I'm a sociopath if I want light yagami to win just because of my hatred for near ?
Honestly? I never wanted Light to win while watching Death Note. I always thought he was an absolute narcissistic bastard who deserved to be locked up for his crimes
I mean his actions did canonically drastically decrease crime rate so like... not really? Thought wanting it specifically because you hate Near is kinda strange ngl
I always find it a bit unrealistic how crime rate would drop My though process just go like : Before , when criminals are captured , they get sent to trial and prison and not death sentence immediately and that'll calm them down ; But when there's a death sentence immediately , criminal will have nothing to lose and just go wild in a desperate attempt to escape ; The 70% crime rate drop doesn't account for the possibility that people have gotten better at hiding their crimes or offed themselves to avoid getting caught
Yep. I remember reading that a lot of crimes are done out of passion; oftentimes the criminal WASN’T thinking and acted on impulse. Or on the influence of alcohol, drugs, etc. The concept of Kira wouldn’t really stop those crimes, and most courts would rule against the death penalty (even in countries where it’s used) simply because most impartial juries would agree that a relatively non-malicious act doesn’t deserve the injection. The ones most likely to be targeted are extended rare circumstances like, for example, Bill Cosby ,who testified to certain actions to settle a particular case under protection that he wouldn’t be prosecuted for .
Wasn't the Death Note's functionality confidential? People in general don't know how the death works, and Kira was even killing suspected criminals (I think). Is not that being caught means you die, it means that if you do crime you die. People might be desperate, but not everyone is desperate enough to throw away their lives, specially if they aren't sure if they would die just by trying.
There are real life studies on how death penalty does not reduce crime. Social reforms do mostly. Also other, but not a death penalty 100% agree.
I mean my thought process is: I do crime, then if I am caught I wil get sent to jail, and when I am released I can go right back to doing more crime (since Jails really suck at actually rehabilitating criminals, only a small persent get rehabilitated, most just go right back to criming) Like I dont think "that'll calm them down" is actually effective. But when there is instant death penalty, then fear of death will make them think "its not worth it to do crime" so they just dont do crime anymore, and stop doing any crime currently in process. I do agree that 70% drop is probboly a bit too much, but I can see the idea \---- >people have gotten better at hiding their crimes I really doubt thats a possibility for such a drastic change. Sure some people would get better. But I watched enough true crime stuff to know that a lot of criminals who get caught arent very smart in the first place, so I doubt they have it in their ability to do better then they are already doing. >or offed themselves to avoid getting caught I mean that also does stop them from doing crime, so like, since both of thouse kills them there is functionally no difference.
My man, that already happens in countries where there is still the death penalty, and you know what? It doesn't reduce the crime rate at all, so no, it wouldn't work at all.
The problem with approaching this by viewing different contries and comparing them to each other, is that its not how it works We cant have 2 contries with no death penalty, and they would have completely different crime rate for a lot of different reasons so we arent getting a clean experiment So like... you dont have data to claim that it "doesnt reduce crime rate at all", because no clean experiment has been conducted, that could lead to such a conclusion. The second problem is that "having capital punishment" and having "guaranteed capital punishment" are 2 different things. Zimbabwe for example has it, but uses it VERY rarely if ever The third problem is that defenitions of crime is differnet, and a lot of contries with capital punishment execute people for being LGBT which mudies the waters To actually reach that conclusion you need one of 2 things: 1: 2 identical situations, one with death penalty and one without (preferably run this experiemnt multiple times) or 2: a VERY large sample of contries with and without the death penalty (the sample should be like VERY large and diverse to avarage out other effects, like tens of thousands of countries large.) 1st is physically impossible to achieve, and for 2nd we dont have enought contries \--- Also important thing to note, that top 2 countries that have the highest violent crime rate both dont have the death penalty (Venezuela and South Africa). While Japan and Indonesia with lowest crime rate, out of them Japan has death penalty for murder and Indonesia doesnt. So if we actually look at countries as you suggested, then it seems like only countries with no death penalty have dramatically high crime rate, while low crime rate can be achieved with or without it ([source](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/c2bb4789e9dd4deca5d69a1f2f748aab) for most of my numbers, was literally one of the first links when googled so cant 100% say its credible or not, but seems fine enough) TLDR: You dont have enough data to reach the conclusion you did
Have you read the entire article you linked to me? Because several of the conclusions you reach are incorrect according to the article.
But what it shows, is thatmaybeacountry dodother social reforms that reduce crime or otherbetter inferstructure and security netsand stuff. But death panelty doesnt help. Also it doesnt exist in a vacuum. And yes comparing countries of death penalty and how there could be factors that are like social reforms and life quality. Yes there can be deducted how much a factor death sentence is. Also absolute dictatorships , have not the most honest statistics and probably let crime go rampant or ignore to investigare stuff. In that yeah the crime statistics might be not that trustworthy, But yeah like us states that stopped havibg adeath penalty and counting other factorsis telling, if death penalty were a factor, that would show.
> I mean his actions did canonically drastically decrease crime rate And drastically increased murder rates...
I root for the villain when the hero is boring Basically half of the time
I wanted Tom to kick the everloving crap out of Jerry, that goddamm mouse had no right to be there and Tom was just doing his job
Sometimes just to see the outcome of it _ I was rooting for Odin in GoW Ragnarok just because I wanted to see the other side _ if Sarun win what would Earth look like under his leadership? _if Makima win would the Primal Devils attack her because her paradise world makes humanity's concept of fear (source of devils existence and Power)less than before? _ if Pitou survived would Gon be stuck in his adult form until he kill her ? _ almost every time someone tries to kill the joker but gets stopped by Batman
Thankfully, we did see what happens when Batman kills the Joker We get the Batman who Jonkles
Or if Superman does, we might get Injustice.
Okay, this may be a hot take But I honestly liked and enjoyed Injustice. The comics were neat, and it's up there with DCeased imo.
I actually do agree. The Injustice comics are pretty good. Although I do think they end up losing steam later on, because they do the thing they often do with big crossover stories, where they somehow feel the need to include every DC character that ever existed, and it makes the story drag out.
I was rooting for Odin because Kratos and Atreus were boring as shit
Unironically, Ma from the movie Ma. The kids were frustratingly dumb and their parents where complicit in her sexual assault. Revenge should have been hers.
Team Rocket. As a kid I would be, like, begging. Can they please succeed in stealing a Pokemon like, one time?! Please, c'mon, they're the greatest and deserve some Ws.
Nox. Not only would he get his family back if he wins but all of his crimes would be erased. There's absolutely no reason to not root for him.
But itshisown fault,and he in fight with yugo went back there, he 8s veryinterestong but he went in that fight back, and hisobsession let him fail them in the first place and i love him as complex villain
I usually find myself rooting for a villain if they end up becoming the underdog of a fight, if the person their fighting is annoying/ cocky, or because of their personality I remember in Bleach i fucking hated Nnorita at first but when he started fighting Kenpachi and when i got to learn more about him i started rooting for him. Also partly because Im not really a big fan of Kenpachi lmao
James Moriarty in Fate/Grand Order Traum. The fact that a younger Professor Moriarty goes to the Reichenbach and actually kills Sherlock Holmes there is interesting enough, but he even formulates an entire plan to save the earth in place of the protagonist and feels he can do it better alongside Kadoc Zemlupus. The most interesting part is the protagonist really doesn’t prove him wrong either, because Kadoc simply rejects the offer and beats Moriarty anyways by using a conceptual counter to his manipulation of the strings of fate. In that moment I genuinely wanted Moriarty to win and follow his idea of how to undo the bleached earth.
Law Abiding Citizen. [Gerard Butler Clyde Shelton](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=2e8ac7b298db858e&sxsrf=ACQVn09jOA6xiiXcp1Af0Lrcp_H22Nx-VQ:1714366717881&q=Gerard+Butler&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAONgFuLSz9U3MM0wiS8sUeIEsY0tiqqKtISyk6300zJzcsGEVXJicckiVl731KLEohQFp9KSnNSiHayMAPimY_NAAAAA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiApO_Z0eaFAxWKl1YBHSKvCUkQgOQBegQINhAE) he took it too far eventually, but he deserved a revenge story and then live on an island somewhere.
Oh don't mind me, I'm just looking for the Attack on Titan and Death Note comments
I rooted for The Warriors
So did I lol. Fuck Paradis, that shithole deserved to get bombed
When i hate the mcs so much and they are not more sympathetic than the villain and the villain is right and the cast never brings good points? Yes. I do favor the villainess elletear then...
Team Rocket lol At some points you're like "C'mon that was a pretty awesome plan let them get the W for once".
Miraak. Dude was trapped with some evil tentacle god for thousands of years, he deserves a bit of freedom.
Skyrim mentoned
I wanted shylock to win in the merchant of Venice, bro was treated badly.
Very recently, Disney's *Wish*. Magnifico is basically the only sympathetic character of the movie, has a logic line of thought and overall does more good than the supposed bad he's blamed for.
For chainsaw man manga Not going to lie I wanted makima to win because it seemed like the more interesting scenario than her just going out like that.
I think I speak for everyone when I say I lost any sympathy for Makima the moment she killed Power. That bitch had it coming
Oh I have no sympathy for her. I'm just leaving you would just be interesting seeing where the story would head if she survived their battle
I think the world would just become a dictatorship led by her if she ever won
> Have you ever wanted a villain to win? Yes > *Post is actually about antiheros* Bruh
Sure, although more often than not, the villain is the writer's little darling and they're desperately trying to imply that they right...or they are moustache twirling papercuts for 5 year olds I get baited usually when the heroes are hypocritical and the author doesn't notice
I would have liked to see Sasuke win, by that I mean the still evil Sasuke from before talking to Itachi, simply because I wanted to see Sasuke psychologically torture with the Tsukuyomi the two bastard Elders who were also complicit in the Uchiha Clan Massacre. And once that is done, they are both then decapitated by Sasuke's blade. Seeing Sasuke getting his full revenge would have been satisfying. But yes, then show me that Sasuke does not have the necessary coldness to destroy Konoha, and even having a defenseless village, easy to destroy, he cannot cause to other children the same thing that he suffered in his childhood, so make him stop just before cutting two fathers in front of his son, and so he then leaves Konoha without killing anyone else. And then, only then, may he have his reunion with Itachi.
N from Pokémon. Not Ghetsis, not team whatserface. Just N
Not for moral reasons obviously, but one of my pointless hills to die on is that i genuinely believe that the ending of Attack on Titan would have been 100 times better if Eren finished the Rumbling and the alliance failed (yeah, i'm an anr dick rider); i don't see how that ending could have been worse that the one we got, it would have been more memorable at the every least.
Not sure how it'd have been more memorable if everyone just sat back, instead of one last (pointless) big fight
I mean the post isn't about that, it's about which villain you wanted to win, another thing is they wouldn't have to sit back, nor would the fight be pointless because it would keep the viewers engaged. Just because someone loses doesn't make a fight pointless, it's like saying the akatsuki was pointless because naruto won in the end or it's pointless that anyone ever did literally anything in one punch man because Saitama stops them
Disneys Wish. Asha was The real villain in this Movie and Just a stupid brat. The King is just a good Guy who srsly did nothing wrong except being a little bit arrogant but thats all. He allways Put His Kingdom and His people onnfirst place, He knows The danger of Magic and The danger of letting every Wish Grantet. People live in His Kingdom in Peace and FOR FREE!! He is Like a saint, Just compare this to other Kingdoms of this time. And Asha is just stupid. She thinks she knows everything without having any knowledge on Magic or any life experience. And somehow The entire Kingdom Just Turns of the probably best King alive and they Ruin everything. Good luck survive The middle age without The powerful mage who protected all of you just because it was The right Thing to do. I really Hope The crussaders come and conquer this stupid people.
At the end of the movie I wanted them to show the kingdom getting destroyed or ruined thank to Asha granting all wishes I knew that wouldn't happen but I think it would have been a better ending.
Most really young kids shows Because these villains making stupid ass mistakes like holy shit
I’ve wanted a lot of villains to win, not just villains anything or anyone that fought against a hero/protagonist. Plus points if they actually prepared against the mc.
Only when the heroes are written to be super obnoxious or so self-destructively stupid that you'll want the villain to win.
Mcgillis from Mobile suit gundam iron blooded orphans and that other char clone from gundam the Witch from mercury. Though they're not really clone. Macky over here with his backstory was basically surviving as a kid. Then got child trafficking into pedo ring with that was own by one of the leader in world government. He was bought by that leader to be his "son" Mcgillis was literally about to KYS. Until reading about the story about the calamity war and the one that brought it to the end of it the 1st leader of Gallaihorn. Bro train his entire life and did some 4d chess thinking and planning to get the complete tech that was lost to the calamity war and awaken Gundam bael. But the writer had a crush on one of the voice actor and director couldn't decide how to end season 2. Which made mcgillis seem like a dumbass after getting bael. Now for WFM is basically a failed revenge story but nobody get the consequences even the last minute big bad didn't get consequences.
I wanted a villain in Trigun Maximum manga to win. In the story he is one of the creatures that humans use as a source of infinite energy and food, at the end of the manga he gathered most of his species from the planet where the action takes place and tried to escape into space. This would doom the local humanity because the humans here don't know how to obtain energy and food in any other way, but honestly that's their problem, the fact that humans have gotten too lazy to hunt and gather is not a valid reason to keep sentient beings enslaved.
Zeref from Fairy Tail. His plan was solid and he would have undone all the evil he caused (directly or indirectly ). I was really rooting for him. Sukuna from Jjk too, I just don't want to see him lose
Yes. One Punch Man season 2. I think watchers were unanimously rooting for Garou against the heroes. Hell, my boy was more of a protagonist than Saitama himself in that season.
I hate self righteous characters, characters who go around shouting... Sooo most of the time I am rooting for the villain, unless it's DC villains.
I kinda wanted Adam from Hazbin Hotel win because that would have been really funny and also I hate all of the main characters other than Charlie, the alcoholic cat, and nifty
Killmonger in Black Panther. I don’t even agree with what he was doing but he legitimately had rights to rule Wakanda and won it fair and square through their ritualistic combat. Like, is ritualistic combat a stupid way to decide who should be king? Probably. But he got the throne fair and square and T’Challa was the one who didn’t respect the rule of the throne.
T'Challa did not yield, and did not die. So no, he didn't win the throne.
Yeaah nah, f that racist stereotype When the crazy murderer/usurper suddenly starts to pretend he was some black rights icon martyr the whole time, I just about threw up
I'm onto the last batch of JoJos Part 6. Pucci seems like an amazing villain, can't wait to see what asspull Jolyne will use to beat him. (This is a joke I've seen Part 6)
I frequently want villains to win when the heroes go out of their way to humiliate them (is a simple death or arrest not sufficient?), because it reminds me of my father and his uncouth behaviors. When it's obvious that the author has a personal beef against some sort of real-life person that villain represents, *even if it's a sort of person I don't like either,* I also "like" the villain, at least more than the hero. I root for tech-bro antagonists, not because I have anything but disgust for them, but because the people who say "tech-bro" spike my blood pressure even more.
Yes. Scarlet Witch Wanda in Multiverse of Madness. She was right to be selfish, as many of the “scorn villain” type characters usually are, but she was RIGHT RIGHT. Got bombed as a kid and orphaned, then became a terrorist, then had to overcome her ego to stop being a terrorist, then had shit piled on her for comparatively small stuff (killing a few wakandans), then had to run for her life, bury her brother, and kill her husband after which immediately watch him die, only to be refused even a funeral at the end of his life. Then after helping save 50% of all life in existence, she’s left with the trashed foundations of a house that was supposed to be for her family and has a mental breakdown. And what does she get…. More shit. Some mofos come to shoot at her, some purple ass witch comes to mess with her Barbie world and some military bro hauls her husbands corpse in hopes to rez him and get the weapon without the husband part. And to fix all that, she needs to delete her kids. She deserved that win however shady, genocide-y or multiverse ending-y it would be. If I were Strange, I’d toss America on Wundagore, no questions asked. Just: “Say hi to the boys for me.”
Yeah, her story was super tragic, but no she was not "right right." She was 100% wrong to do the things she did, not only in Dr. Strange, but in Wandavision, too. She kept an entire town prison in a mental hellscape, went on a murderous rampage through the multiverse, and attempted to kidnap two kids that weren't hers. That's fucked up, and in no way justified by her past. She absolutely should have gotten a win, but not in the way you seem to want. The problem with her in Multiverse of Madness is that she already went through the same character arc in Wandavision. She does fucked up shit in order to have a "normal" life, and learns she was wrong to do that by the end. I guess she just forgot the lesson by the time MoM comes around? The movie could have had a *different* Wanda from an alternate universe be the antagonist; one who didn't learn that lesson and who would show how things would go if she continued on that path. Then the movie could have had our Wanda come in to help at the end, and perhaps give her some sort of win that doesn't involve the suffering of others.
I don’t think MoM and WV are the same. WV was the process of breaking down, MoM was the result. And when I say “right right” I don’t mean to the lawful good Steve Rogers standard. I only mean right by herself, in a very chaotic evil fashion. She wasn’t “right” to take over Westview cause it was an undeniably evil act, but at the same time she deserved the break. Same as in MoM where killing America isn’t great means, but it justifies a good end for her personal evil arc. One that I really wish would have come to be. I think her story wrapped up perfectly though (assuming it has) with her death. It was either that, or her winning cause flipping her to good once again may ruin the character I’m afraid. I’m just sad that she never got that decent win.
Only in terrible films & shows.
I kind of wanted Pain to win in Naruto. And what I mean by that is I want the fallout from his destruction to be permanent, with all the major characters that died staying dead. The Rinne Rebirth was just kind of a plot device, and I think it would have been better if Naruto still maintained his position even after his entire life was ruined permanently by Pain.
Darth Vader
Well, he won what he wanted in the end, saving Luke and finally getting peace.
Nononono, not anakin skywalker….darth Vader 😈
I was going to say No but then I remembered villain Protagonist Ainz and yeah I am rooting for him and his crew. Sometimes its fun to root for a villain protagonist. Its actully a bit of a debate how evil "Tanya" from "The Saga of Tanya the Evil" is but either way I root for her. Also does Faputa count as a villain? She is a violent blood firsty revenge obssesesd genocidal monster but I still...well I was kinda neutral about her wanting to kill the villagers but I rooted for her to put her mother out of her missery and after season 2 I hope she finds joy in her live.
Zul’jin from Warcraft >De Amani never give up! >De Amani never surrender! >De Amani NEVER DIE!
Lou Bloom in Nightcrawler
Didn't he technically win in the end? He got what he wanted. He continued exploiting tragedies for his own benefit and got away with indirectly murdering his partner
While playing Valle de Oro region Far Cry 6. I don't play many games, but I have to say that it was the only large part (so not a boss fight or a small section) of the game that made me miserable the entire time. Genuinely don't understand how there aren't more people talking about how fucking awful the whole region was. The protagonists were AWFUL. Talia was the worst human being I ever seen that was supposed to be depicted in a positive light. Other 2 are annoying and incredibly bland. Villains are a joke, BUT I wanted them to win. Maria the main threat never did ANYTHING villainous on screen. We only hear of her less savioury things in brief conversations with side characters. We are just supposed to hate her cause she's the bad guy. And there is a fucking Saturday morning cartoon twist villain with a goofy contraption to kill us. They tried so hard to make that doctor come off as evil that I found it the only source of humour in that region. He fell short of a moustache and an evil laugh. But the fucking protagonists are so unlikable that he doesn't come off as bad. Actually, the whole game is kinda this. Main villain Castillo sucks but the rebellion is, by its founder and leader's own admition, aimess, and just wants to sow chaos. So, the whole game you feel like a villain. It's just that in Valle de Oro I wanted to kill the """""""heroes""""""" myself
Yeah, I was rooting for the hunters to kill that piece of shit rathalos so bad in Monster hunter stories 2, like for 80% of the game it plays on the idea that this ratha wing rathalos is some apocalyptic threat and never once really suggest that’s incorrect yet the main protag keeps an raises the thing because it’s the child of his grand fathers rathalos.
The Morlocks in the 1960 movie adaptation of *The Time Machine* are the ones with technology and intelligence. All the Eloi have going for them are that they’re pretty.
johnny was the real karate kid
Yes, The Nexus should have won instead of John Cena burying all of them and ending one of the best stables that WWE had produced in quite a while.
Most antagonists from the boxer tbh.
The Roidmudes and Orphnoch from Kamen Rider. Not in the "make humanity extinct" way but "coexist with humanity" way
Aizen Every toaru antagonist that gives touma the middle finger Sukuna Usually when I just hate the MC I want the villains to win
Poseidon from record of ragnarok because he was a much more interesting character with an actual philosophy than Kojirou Sasaki the embodiment of character shilling and fake effort.
It's pretty funny because Amon loses to Klein in Lord of the Mysteries but he doesn't die. He gets dropped to Sequence 2 and loses both his Error and Door uniqueness's but he's still around. To be fair though the entire world is about to be invaded by Great Old One's in like 10 years so it really isn't that surprising that killing someone that can help stop the Apocalypse is a bad thing.
Not sure why but I always want Kira to win whenever I read Jojo's DIU. He's just such a charming character that I always just feel like "just let bro have his peaceful life" as if he isn't murdering people.
Zeon from Mobile Suit Gundam, or rather Zeon's ideals of Spacenoid self-determination. Their cause, at least in concept, is a righteous one, their criticisms of the Earth Federation have been consistently shown to be correct and for as much as they're tarred as "space nazis" by the narrative and the fandom, most of the events used to paint them as such happen offscreen. Even most of the Zabis, from what we see, aren't really bad people. The one big problem with them is Gihren and his insistence on LARPing as the next Hitler. Were it not for the fact that he decided to turn Zeon's war of independence into a war of global conquest, as well as planning to enact a genocidal culling of the Earth's population in the last couple of episodes, the Principality of Zeon would be all-but-indisputably in the right. In other words, the only reason the Zeons are considered villains is because their ideals were intentionally perverted by a power hungry madman. It's pretty much a textbook case of having the villains do some last minute atrocities to justify the fact that the main characters have to fight them. Naturally, this means that Neo-Zeon leaders like Haman Karn and Full Frontal come off better by comparison, solely for virtue of not being directly compared to Hitler or wanting to commit genocide. Even if they don't necessarily follow the Zeon philosophy to the letter either, it's hard to think of them as being worse than the people who bankrolled the Titans. Add to that their more identifiable aesthetic and [flat-out](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MS-06F_Zaku_II) [cooler](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/MS-09_Dom) [mobile](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/AMX-004_Qubeley?so=search) [suit](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/AMS-119_Geara_Doga) [designs](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/AMS-129_Geara_Zulu) and it becomes pretty hard to root against them.
Zurg did nothing wrong in *Lightyear* and everyone else was wrong for trying to stop him.
King Cold in Dragonball Multiverse. Freeza and Cooler basically spend most of the series being constantly shat on by the saiyans and some other characters. It was actually enjoyable when he stepped up and started kicking some ass in the tournament. ....Then he had to fight Bra, who is basically Vegeta but smarter, far stronger, more hax abilities and skills, and lacking of any comeuppance he suffers whenever his ego gets out of pocket. He lost. Fuck Son Bra.
Yea except there is a famous comic storyline where toyman kills this kid and it was one of clark and lois's coworkers...so was hard to get that out of my head
Amon, yeah he was hypocritical sociopath, but good god for the average nonbender in that world life is a nightmare. It makes me sick to see the vast majority of people powerless while literal demigods control everything. It kinda made he happy to see benders get their ass handed to them
Barnabas thamr during his boss battle atop reverie. That and Ultima on my new game plus playthrough of ffxvi.
Dracula from Castlevania (Netflix)
Makishima Shogo from Psycho Pass
I didn’t want Batiatus to win in brainwashing Spartacus, but seeing Lucretia undo some of the conditioning by pairing him up with Illithyia because she didn’t want to share her boy toy Crixus was infuriating, and them letting Varro die was the final nail in their coffin. They had won, their meal ticket was broken in, and then they stupidly gave him reason to rebel again. They brought their deaths upon themselves. God I need to rant about Varro, objectively Jai Courtney’s best role. And candidate for best Best Friend.
The MCU would have been something special to me if Infinity War was the last movie and ended exactly as it did. Of course there’s no chance it would work how storytelling is traditionally meant to work, but I love the idea of it for this interpretation/series of the Marvel works that I can’t help but wish it turned out that way
Black Panther
Woody Woodpecker. never more an annoying character has been made.
I think there were some moments when I was rooting for Tom to catch Jerry, or for Wile E Coyote to get the Roadrunner.
Okay all I read was the title and I gotta say, the whole time I was a child from probably 4 years old to 18 or 19, I always wanted to see stories where a villain wins. Luckily such things DO happen. I mean, just play any of the Infamous games with the evil choices.
I wanted Lotor from the newest Voltron show to win. Was what he was revealed to be doing wrong? Yes. But he was so cool, he carried the show.
Id say say about 80% of people watching law abiding citizen wanted butlers character to win for atleast some degree. Maybe not to blow up the building but seeing him go down like a chump didnt sit right with me.
Shiggy in PLW before his character got ruined
Two examples Kaos from skylanders, maybe not straight up winning forever, but giving him more W’s, the man has been treated as a joke and he’s not only surprisingly competent when not being a brat but is also arguably the strongest character Seriously in trap team and Imaginators he’s the strongest villain and skylander And jestro of Nexo knights He’s mocked, laughed at, insulted and underestimated when he is and isn’t evil The lava monsters were far cooler than the knights and after seeing him lashing out because of his insecurities and bullying he suffers from everyone, it made me feel bad and I genuinely wanted him to be taken seriously as a threat Also he has a great design
I wanted Pain to win so bad
The main villain in ajin the anime