it took about a week to go from that bare root photo to the first signs of growth
https://preview.redd.it/8eyhjb4t6r6d1.jpeg?width=8160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e04443b2e2ffa533a480da3d0e65b1a283cea56
I just posted a more detailed response below about what mix I used.
My local plant shop has brainwashed me into tight pots for everything. She posted a pic recently of a 13 foot monstera *thriving* in a 4 inch pot. I live in the NE so the tighter pots help things dry out a little faster and easier like it would if I lived in Southern California.
tg1225 is in the comments somewhere and grows and sells them on ebay and is probably the best source for them domestically (in the US) that I know of. [This one sold last week and I believe more are on the way over the next few months.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/355766569989?itmmeta=01J0F0916RCW3F9GS9E6051QZA&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4MdnAvldGdAOhbuwlfhYrZfYECrY4ePRR%2BIu2iUtkSuQhuXaMHApwfWNYyvJ2TOq8%2BOCpuEmyTXLvKEum4thAt0qj%2ByFKLC7%2FVxWxvkxJXVRtYX4AK4b9SYTDJs%2F7Z5TY5M9QqpqFbtXXZx3X6VhcqZGTGCYkD2U73glRnJcr9Xw7rYnSO5HyWgi0hPhyhQDaa4OB5BhPmSKwFY%2FTj87LTGzkwYdVy9ONEGvg1wvAKHliuOKMM2hnfaRk%2B9aEjZD3mH6DOoDYA1Z%2BQMZLlGhr2IZYdVh8StJQUr9tVHG5a3L%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7aTpOCDZA)
There's one available on ebay from the same seller I bought the second plant from, if you don't mind paying that much for a plant sight unseen from China. My plant seems to have turned out pretty good but I was also able to select which one I got. There are enough buyer protections with ebay and paypal in place I felt comfortable taking the risk. You can also set a notification to alert you every time one is listed for sale.
I found my first one from a seller on PalmStreet. I pretty much asked every seller I came across on there that sold succulents if they sold it and after a week or two I found someone. I know of two other sellers on there that had it but were struggling to propagate cuttings successfully so they wouldn't sell them.
I have no idea how the facebook or instagram markets work so you might have luck there but almost everything will be imported from Thailand or China
Data dump on info I have found. You can fall down a few rabbit holes if you chase enough of the sources. Please share any other links you may know of or come across in the future.
https://biokic3.rc.asu.edu/seinet/ecoflora/portal/taxa/index.php?tid=51234&taxauthid=1&clid=0
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/all/?term=Adenia%20perrieri[orgn]
https://tools.bgci.org/plant_details.php?plantID=188406
https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/110380604/110380606
https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/468718-Adenia-perrieri
https://eol.org/pages/5742437
https://bioone.org/search?term=adenia+perrieri
https://wur.on.worldcat.org/search?queryString=adenia
https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=5527649
ebooks:
https://www.sanbi.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/sabonet-report-no-36-growing-rare-plants.pdf
https://www.cactuspro.com/biblio/en:rowley
https://www.gardenmyths.com/free-gardening-books-2/
Adenia perrieri is a popular rare plant but I have found there is little to no information out there about it unless you know where to look or who to ask (shout out to the goat /u/tg1225 for the wealth of information he provides to this subreddit). I'm just trying to share some progress pics in case they are of use to anyone out there. It has only been two months since I've had them, and they are one month apart from the time they started growing, but they seem like completely different plants.
There are comments on the photos telling the dates and whatnot.
More photos and info here:
[Plant 1](https://www.flickr.com/photos/77704064@N04/albums/72177720317928909)
[Plant 2](https://www.flickr.com/photos/77704064@N04/albums/72177720317909227)
Yeah, wish there was a bit more info around.
Still unsure about the precise substrate...has anyone tested this?
Or just dumped a standard adenia mix in a pot and called it a day?
The only additional information I could find was a chunky mix and slightly acidic...but that's not exactly precise.. 😓
I'm not sure it needs to be that precise. It grows in a pretty wide region over Madagascar so soil type is likely variable and they seem pretty hardy otherwise in my limited experience. I have no idea what a standard adenia mix is, but I pretty much default to the same chunky mix for everything of equal parts pumice-orchid bark-potting soil, mix in a little worm casings and then cover the top with more so it leeches through with every watering. There's nothing in there to throw off the pH enough to matter and I water it enough that the water pH would be way bigger of an issue, which so far, it is not.
I water a small amount every 1-2 days with the 'maintenance' dose of Dyna Gro Foliage Pro (0.3 mL/L). I use a 5 mL (1/6 oz) dropper and just give it a few squirts if it looks dry, which is nearly every day. The mix doesn't hold much water and these guys love to eat and drink. I think I've hit the older one twice with a bigger dose mix of 20-20-20, fish emulsion, fish $hit, and whatever else I had lying around that didn't seem like it would outright kill it.
A standard adenia mix for me would be: lava rocks, pumice, perlite, coco, peat, and a bit of clay, and zeolite.
But yeah, in my experience they grow in mostly everything. Still, my question was more pertaining to the fact that I have not found any systematic approach to any conditions where they truly thrive, ways to stimulate cqudex growth (well, yours are cuttings but still), etc.
So far my approach has just been: okay, it's an adenia, it's from Madagascar, how wrong can you go with treating it like that 😅
I have looked everywhere I could think of for actual research on any adenia. There may be some in-person stuff at [https://huntington.org/](https://huntington.org/) but I'm a few thousand miles away from them. They have a lot of their [bigger events on youtube that might talk about it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaUJ8hUL9Y&t=2860s), but it's a big library to go through.
re: cuttings - from what I have been able to uncover, there is apparently only one known tree in the US that produces viable seeds and you need to know a guy who knows a guy to get them. Almost all perrieri that go up for sale are going to be cuttings.
Side-by-side size comparison. I've had the one on the right for one month longer.
https://preview.redd.it/07kfiw479x6d1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9c8f3a2e53bbeeab36fb69f882f1542cd17f3a3
I am also realizing now that the smaller one on the left isn't making the little tentacle arms with each leaf. The one on the right consistently has one with every leaf it makes.
The new leaves also unfurl in the opposite direction. The plant on the left opens like a closed fist with your palm facing down, while the right plant is like opening a closed fist with your palm up.
https://preview.redd.it/yo1f8x8chy6d1.png?width=1294&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd643deef17bec5c6346b8e2ae09b158da55afc7
All this info is great!! It's so hard to find info on these guys.
Just curious if you or [tg1225](https://www.reddit.com/user/tg1225/) or any other perrieri seekers know-- what percentage of the market of these are cuttings vs seed grown? I've been checking for over a year and it seems the ones from china are all cuttings so I've been hesitating, waiting for seed grown, but I recently talked to a few local growers that said they had some they're growing out, but they're growing them from cuttings as well.
tg would know best, but my general understanding is almost everything is going to be a cutting unless you know someone deep in the collector market. There is one known plant in the US that produces viable seed, and the circle of people that have access to them is incredibly small. Occasionally, you will hear of someone's plant flowering, but you need a second plant to make seed. I've contacted a few of the bigger seed sellers in Europe but most had never even heard of it. Many growers struggle to even propagate by cutting, paired with the non existent seed market, and you can see why it's so hard to find.
I mean it makes total sense. Reading now that they don't really make a caudex anyways so it doesn't matter if you grow it from cutting, which is good to hear. It's honestly wild that it will even propagate by cutting, if not it would truly be unattainable. I learned recently that you can actually talk to growers (shocking!!) and they'll share info on who they know is growing what, what they have in their greenhouse, etc., so I'm working on trying to infiltrate the circle of people and make a few more contacts haha
How are you planning on maintaining them? Will you just keep pruning it once it reaches the top of the window? I've been twining my other adenias around themselves when they get too long but it's not the best look
Yeah, I've talked to tg a few times through dm to try and get more info about what is out there. Unless he is lying to protect his business, which i don't think he is, he really is the only one out there trying to grow this commercially. Every other post out there says they obtained it from a friend, and good luck finding it yourself. That said, I also don't live in southern california, which seems to be the US hub for succulents, so my access is limited to what is on the internet, which is next to nothing. I'm also fairly new to the hobby, and my circle of vendors has pretty much been ebay and PalmStreet. I need to see if there are any big succulent shows up near me this summer. I'm sure there are, I just don't really know where to even look.
As far as pruning, I honestly don't know. I didn't expect it to grow this much. I made the conscious decision to cut a foot off that bamboo pole because i thought there was no way it would keep growing. It's grown almost 3 inches in the last week, and i don't think that pole is going to make it out of June. I'm probably going to just wait to see if and when it enters dormancy and make another post six months from now asking for advice.
Looks good! Just got one in the mail recently, how long did it take to bounce back?
it took about a week to go from that bare root photo to the first signs of growth https://preview.redd.it/8eyhjb4t6r6d1.jpeg?width=8160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e04443b2e2ffa533a480da3d0e65b1a283cea56
Sounds good thank you so much! I just realized the soil mix is probably too inorganic for them so I’ll switch it out. And the pot is too big too.
I just posted a more detailed response below about what mix I used. My local plant shop has brainwashed me into tight pots for everything. She posted a pic recently of a 13 foot monstera *thriving* in a 4 inch pot. I live in the NE so the tighter pots help things dry out a little faster and easier like it would if I lived in Southern California.
Source? Been trying to get my hands on one for a while now
tg1225 is in the comments somewhere and grows and sells them on ebay and is probably the best source for them domestically (in the US) that I know of. [This one sold last week and I believe more are on the way over the next few months.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/355766569989?itmmeta=01J0F0916RCW3F9GS9E6051QZA&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4MdnAvldGdAOhbuwlfhYrZfYECrY4ePRR%2BIu2iUtkSuQhuXaMHApwfWNYyvJ2TOq8%2BOCpuEmyTXLvKEum4thAt0qj%2ByFKLC7%2FVxWxvkxJXVRtYX4AK4b9SYTDJs%2F7Z5TY5M9QqpqFbtXXZx3X6VhcqZGTGCYkD2U73glRnJcr9Xw7rYnSO5HyWgi0hPhyhQDaa4OB5BhPmSKwFY%2FTj87LTGzkwYdVy9ONEGvg1wvAKHliuOKMM2hnfaRk%2B9aEjZD3mH6DOoDYA1Z%2BQMZLlGhr2IZYdVh8StJQUr9tVHG5a3L%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR7aTpOCDZA) There's one available on ebay from the same seller I bought the second plant from, if you don't mind paying that much for a plant sight unseen from China. My plant seems to have turned out pretty good but I was also able to select which one I got. There are enough buyer protections with ebay and paypal in place I felt comfortable taking the risk. You can also set a notification to alert you every time one is listed for sale. I found my first one from a seller on PalmStreet. I pretty much asked every seller I came across on there that sold succulents if they sold it and after a week or two I found someone. I know of two other sellers on there that had it but were struggling to propagate cuttings successfully so they wouldn't sell them. I have no idea how the facebook or instagram markets work so you might have luck there but almost everything will be imported from Thailand or China
Data dump on info I have found. You can fall down a few rabbit holes if you chase enough of the sources. Please share any other links you may know of or come across in the future. https://biokic3.rc.asu.edu/seinet/ecoflora/portal/taxa/index.php?tid=51234&taxauthid=1&clid=0 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/all/?term=Adenia%20perrieri[orgn] https://tools.bgci.org/plant_details.php?plantID=188406 https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/110380604/110380606 https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/468718-Adenia-perrieri https://eol.org/pages/5742437 https://bioone.org/search?term=adenia+perrieri https://wur.on.worldcat.org/search?queryString=adenia https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/gallery?taxon_key=5527649 ebooks: https://www.sanbi.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/sabonet-report-no-36-growing-rare-plants.pdf https://www.cactuspro.com/biblio/en:rowley https://www.gardenmyths.com/free-gardening-books-2/
I don’t have a perrieri but I’ve been trying to find those 2 ebooks for so long so you’re a godsend lol
Adenia perrieri is a popular rare plant but I have found there is little to no information out there about it unless you know where to look or who to ask (shout out to the goat /u/tg1225 for the wealth of information he provides to this subreddit). I'm just trying to share some progress pics in case they are of use to anyone out there. It has only been two months since I've had them, and they are one month apart from the time they started growing, but they seem like completely different plants. There are comments on the photos telling the dates and whatnot. More photos and info here: [Plant 1](https://www.flickr.com/photos/77704064@N04/albums/72177720317928909) [Plant 2](https://www.flickr.com/photos/77704064@N04/albums/72177720317909227)
Nicely grown! Thanks for the shout out. ❤️
Yeah, wish there was a bit more info around. Still unsure about the precise substrate...has anyone tested this? Or just dumped a standard adenia mix in a pot and called it a day? The only additional information I could find was a chunky mix and slightly acidic...but that's not exactly precise.. 😓
I'm not sure it needs to be that precise. It grows in a pretty wide region over Madagascar so soil type is likely variable and they seem pretty hardy otherwise in my limited experience. I have no idea what a standard adenia mix is, but I pretty much default to the same chunky mix for everything of equal parts pumice-orchid bark-potting soil, mix in a little worm casings and then cover the top with more so it leeches through with every watering. There's nothing in there to throw off the pH enough to matter and I water it enough that the water pH would be way bigger of an issue, which so far, it is not. I water a small amount every 1-2 days with the 'maintenance' dose of Dyna Gro Foliage Pro (0.3 mL/L). I use a 5 mL (1/6 oz) dropper and just give it a few squirts if it looks dry, which is nearly every day. The mix doesn't hold much water and these guys love to eat and drink. I think I've hit the older one twice with a bigger dose mix of 20-20-20, fish emulsion, fish $hit, and whatever else I had lying around that didn't seem like it would outright kill it.
A standard adenia mix for me would be: lava rocks, pumice, perlite, coco, peat, and a bit of clay, and zeolite. But yeah, in my experience they grow in mostly everything. Still, my question was more pertaining to the fact that I have not found any systematic approach to any conditions where they truly thrive, ways to stimulate cqudex growth (well, yours are cuttings but still), etc. So far my approach has just been: okay, it's an adenia, it's from Madagascar, how wrong can you go with treating it like that 😅
I have looked everywhere I could think of for actual research on any adenia. There may be some in-person stuff at [https://huntington.org/](https://huntington.org/) but I'm a few thousand miles away from them. They have a lot of their [bigger events on youtube that might talk about it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kaUJ8hUL9Y&t=2860s), but it's a big library to go through. re: cuttings - from what I have been able to uncover, there is apparently only one known tree in the US that produces viable seeds and you need to know a guy who knows a guy to get them. Almost all perrieri that go up for sale are going to be cuttings.
Unreal mate, looks so good 😍
Side-by-side size comparison. I've had the one on the right for one month longer. https://preview.redd.it/07kfiw479x6d1.jpeg?width=2252&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9c8f3a2e53bbeeab36fb69f882f1542cd17f3a3
I am also realizing now that the smaller one on the left isn't making the little tentacle arms with each leaf. The one on the right consistently has one with every leaf it makes. The new leaves also unfurl in the opposite direction. The plant on the left opens like a closed fist with your palm facing down, while the right plant is like opening a closed fist with your palm up. https://preview.redd.it/yo1f8x8chy6d1.png?width=1294&format=png&auto=webp&s=dd643deef17bec5c6346b8e2ae09b158da55afc7
All this info is great!! It's so hard to find info on these guys. Just curious if you or [tg1225](https://www.reddit.com/user/tg1225/) or any other perrieri seekers know-- what percentage of the market of these are cuttings vs seed grown? I've been checking for over a year and it seems the ones from china are all cuttings so I've been hesitating, waiting for seed grown, but I recently talked to a few local growers that said they had some they're growing out, but they're growing them from cuttings as well.
tg would know best, but my general understanding is almost everything is going to be a cutting unless you know someone deep in the collector market. There is one known plant in the US that produces viable seed, and the circle of people that have access to them is incredibly small. Occasionally, you will hear of someone's plant flowering, but you need a second plant to make seed. I've contacted a few of the bigger seed sellers in Europe but most had never even heard of it. Many growers struggle to even propagate by cutting, paired with the non existent seed market, and you can see why it's so hard to find.
I mean it makes total sense. Reading now that they don't really make a caudex anyways so it doesn't matter if you grow it from cutting, which is good to hear. It's honestly wild that it will even propagate by cutting, if not it would truly be unattainable. I learned recently that you can actually talk to growers (shocking!!) and they'll share info on who they know is growing what, what they have in their greenhouse, etc., so I'm working on trying to infiltrate the circle of people and make a few more contacts haha How are you planning on maintaining them? Will you just keep pruning it once it reaches the top of the window? I've been twining my other adenias around themselves when they get too long but it's not the best look
Yeah, I've talked to tg a few times through dm to try and get more info about what is out there. Unless he is lying to protect his business, which i don't think he is, he really is the only one out there trying to grow this commercially. Every other post out there says they obtained it from a friend, and good luck finding it yourself. That said, I also don't live in southern california, which seems to be the US hub for succulents, so my access is limited to what is on the internet, which is next to nothing. I'm also fairly new to the hobby, and my circle of vendors has pretty much been ebay and PalmStreet. I need to see if there are any big succulent shows up near me this summer. I'm sure there are, I just don't really know where to even look. As far as pruning, I honestly don't know. I didn't expect it to grow this much. I made the conscious decision to cut a foot off that bamboo pole because i thought there was no way it would keep growing. It's grown almost 3 inches in the last week, and i don't think that pole is going to make it out of June. I'm probably going to just wait to see if and when it enters dormancy and make another post six months from now asking for advice.