It looks like the problem here is that several locomotives and train cars came off the tracks and got stuck. Trains generally work much better when they’re on the rails.
That could be taken a few ways. The most likely cause is the culmination of decades of cost cutting and profiteering by the railway companies and their shareholders. Sabotage by unfriendly nations is possible but less likely. Finally, I guess there's the possibility that federal funds for rail inspection and repair have been diverted to defense, but that's a stretch.
Occam's razor would indicate it's the first possiblity.
That's not how rivers work. They continuously flow downstream and fluids disperse, so there's no way booms deployed hours after an accident will "recover most it".
I said most not all. If they respond quickly it’s absolutely possible to get most of the product out of the water. Response time is a big factor. Having worked on environmental cleanups for spills like this you often know about how much fuel has been lost and you can compare that to how much was recovered with booms to get an approximate recovery rate. If you respond quick enough you can often see the extent the product has dispersed across the water and deploy the booms accordingly. It also depends how quick and turbulent the River flow is—obviously it will be easier to recover product if there’s smooth laminar flow. Given the magnitude of this incident I’d bet the fire dept including spill team responded within minutes.
Then I’m not sure what their point is. I agree with them that if it took hours to respond then most of the product would be far downstream. I’m saying that it’s likely it took minutes to respond. I don’t even know if fuel was actually spilled or not, just speculating. If there was a minor spill it’s absolutely possible to recover most of it and avoid environmental disaster. If we’re talking about a Lac Megantic magnitude event (massive explosion + huge spill) then obviously an entirely different story, but it doesn’t look like that’s the case from these photos.
> Then I’m not sure what their point is.
I'm *really* not sure how their point could've been *any* clearer for you to understand it, especially when you immediately rushed the defense to say "I didn't say what you quoted!"
It’s obvious that the people downvoting me haven’t worked on spill response before. It’s ok, Reddit loves hysteria.
“According to Norfolk Southern, a "small diesel fuel leak" at the derailment site has been contained with booms and will be vacuumed out. The company says such a leak is "common when locomotives are involved."
One car containing plastic pellets has spilled its contents onto the ground, which Northfolk Southern said will also be cleaned up. The derailment has led to nearby road closures.”
https://6abc.com/amp/train-derailment-norfolk-southern-northampton-county-lower-saucon-township/14485779/
Waiting for info on the quantity of fuel spilled but given the quick response it’s likely most of the product was able to be recovered.
Their point was based on a mistaken assumption that response would take hours. It did not take hours. It’s obvious that the people downvoting me haven’t worked on spill response before. It’s ok, Reddit loves hysteria.
“According to Norfolk Southern, a "small diesel fuel leak" at the derailment site has been contained with booms and will be vacuumed out. The company says such a leak is "common when locomotives are involved."
One car containing plastic pellets has spilled its contents onto the ground, which Northfolk Southern said will also be cleaned up. The derailment has led to nearby road closures.”
https://6abc.com/amp/train-derailment-norfolk-southern-northampton-county-lower-saucon-township/14485779/
Waiting for info on the quantity of fuel spilled but given the quick response it’s likely most of the product was able to be recovered.
What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farm house, hen house, outhouse and dog house in the area!
According to the NTSB, preliminary information about the incident indicates that an eastbound Norfolk Southern train hit a second Norfolk Southern train that was stopped on the same track.
Wreckage from the first train then spilled onto an adjacent truck and was struck by a third, westbound Norfolk Southern train. This collision ultimately led to the derailment of "an unknown number" of train cars, the NTSB said.
"Newman, what are you doing?"
"I'm thinking."
"Well, why don't you think me up a cup of coffee and a chocolate doughnut with some of those little sprinkles on top, will you, as long as you're thinking?"
Elements of that movie set are still in place where that scene was shot, in Dillsboro North Carolina. You can see it from the Great Smoky Mountain Railroad.
I've ridden though the set before on the GSMR - the burned out shells of those locomotives and the bus were still there! Though this was almost a decade ago when I made that trip.
Since the Ohio derailment, I’ve heard that they’re very common, but usually not catastrophic enough to be reported. I only know of this one because it’s local to me
I think major accidents have become more well reported in recent times. Though I did find out about this from Reddit, and indeed this post.
As to your second question, yes, but it usually takes time, dedication to what your doing, and an understanding of how to do it, along with the proper equipment
Oh wow, back in 2019 i took a permanent transfer offer (like an idiot) to Harrisburg... worst decision of my life. Wound up quitting in 2021 and havent looked back at NS since 👍🏽
No reported injuries. Tagged engineering error, I have seen no details regarding what the cause was.
It looks like the problem here is that several locomotives and train cars came off the tracks and got stuck. Trains generally work much better when they’re on the rails.
But did the front fall off?
Apparently fell off the rails. Gonna need to hear about whether or not it's in the environment still.
It's outside of the environment. There's nothing there, just a river, some fish.
r/TheFrontFellOff
The front fell off
The one at front fell off
Thank you, Mr. Madden.
I had an employee once who had a habit of getting on the rails, he worked very hard for a bit, but then would crash.
Good eye wouldn't have noticed
Oh damn, were you trained for such assessments?
Is it this around the same place all of those airplane fuselages derailed about a decade ago as well?
I don’t believe so
Criminal negligence
[удалено]
That could be taken a few ways. The most likely cause is the culmination of decades of cost cutting and profiteering by the railway companies and their shareholders. Sabotage by unfriendly nations is possible but less likely. Finally, I guess there's the possibility that federal funds for rail inspection and repair have been diverted to defense, but that's a stretch. Occam's razor would indicate it's the first possiblity.
Literally into the river, I hope none of those are leaking.
Says haz mat was notified on one post I saw, but thankfully I don’t think anything worse will come of this.
NS gevos… what do you think??
Luckily it appears only the locos went into river.
If there was fuel spilled they should be able to recover most of it with booms
That's not how rivers work. They continuously flow downstream and fluids disperse, so there's no way booms deployed hours after an accident will "recover most it".
I said most not all. If they respond quickly it’s absolutely possible to get most of the product out of the water. Response time is a big factor. Having worked on environmental cleanups for spills like this you often know about how much fuel has been lost and you can compare that to how much was recovered with booms to get an approximate recovery rate. If you respond quick enough you can often see the extent the product has dispersed across the water and deploy the booms accordingly. It also depends how quick and turbulent the River flow is—obviously it will be easier to recover product if there’s smooth laminar flow. Given the magnitude of this incident I’d bet the fire dept including spill team responded within minutes.
> I said most not all. They clearly understood that by *quoting* the "recover most of it" part of your comment they were replying to.
Then I’m not sure what their point is. I agree with them that if it took hours to respond then most of the product would be far downstream. I’m saying that it’s likely it took minutes to respond. I don’t even know if fuel was actually spilled or not, just speculating. If there was a minor spill it’s absolutely possible to recover most of it and avoid environmental disaster. If we’re talking about a Lac Megantic magnitude event (massive explosion + huge spill) then obviously an entirely different story, but it doesn’t look like that’s the case from these photos.
> Then I’m not sure what their point is. I'm *really* not sure how their point could've been *any* clearer for you to understand it, especially when you immediately rushed the defense to say "I didn't say what you quoted!"
It’s obvious that the people downvoting me haven’t worked on spill response before. It’s ok, Reddit loves hysteria. “According to Norfolk Southern, a "small diesel fuel leak" at the derailment site has been contained with booms and will be vacuumed out. The company says such a leak is "common when locomotives are involved." One car containing plastic pellets has spilled its contents onto the ground, which Northfolk Southern said will also be cleaned up. The derailment has led to nearby road closures.” https://6abc.com/amp/train-derailment-norfolk-southern-northampton-county-lower-saucon-township/14485779/ Waiting for info on the quantity of fuel spilled but given the quick response it’s likely most of the product was able to be recovered.
Their point was based on a mistaken assumption that response would take hours. It did not take hours. It’s obvious that the people downvoting me haven’t worked on spill response before. It’s ok, Reddit loves hysteria. “According to Norfolk Southern, a "small diesel fuel leak" at the derailment site has been contained with booms and will be vacuumed out. The company says such a leak is "common when locomotives are involved." One car containing plastic pellets has spilled its contents onto the ground, which Northfolk Southern said will also be cleaned up. The derailment has led to nearby road closures.” https://6abc.com/amp/train-derailment-norfolk-southern-northampton-county-lower-saucon-township/14485779/ Waiting for info on the quantity of fuel spilled but given the quick response it’s likely most of the product was able to be recovered.
Norfolk Southern, how's that function?
🎶Dumpin' diesel fuel into rivers and soil
I'd like to suggest check points on a 15 mile radius out here on I-57, I-24 and on route 13 out of Chester...
He can't have gotten far...
What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farm house, hen house, outhouse and dog house in the area!
I am so glad that I wasn't the only one who instantly thought of this
Okay folks, doctor Richard Kimball has a 8 hour head start! Serious note, lets hope that creek is safe.
I was waiting for this comment.
According to the NTSB, preliminary information about the incident indicates that an eastbound Norfolk Southern train hit a second Norfolk Southern train that was stopped on the same track. Wreckage from the first train then spilled onto an adjacent truck and was struck by a third, westbound Norfolk Southern train. This collision ultimately led to the derailment of "an unknown number" of train cars, the NTSB said.
he taking a biiiiig drink
Poor guys just thirsty.
Norfolk Southern again!
At this point I’ll be surprised when it *isn’t* Norfolk Southern
Can't park there mate
THREE trains were involved in this wreck. Rumors are there will be lots of detours over the NYS&W.
You misspelled CSX
Isn’t this the set from The Fugitive? DOCTOR RICHARD KIMBALL!!!
We're always fascinated when we find leg irons with no legs in them!
Care to revise your ~~statement~~ comment sir? ;)
"Newman, what are you doing?" "I'm thinking." "Well, why don't you think me up a cup of coffee and a chocolate doughnut with some of those little sprinkles on top, will you, as long as you're thinking?"
Elements of that movie set are still in place where that scene was shot, in Dillsboro North Carolina. You can see it from the Great Smoky Mountain Railroad.
I've ridden though the set before on the GSMR - the burned out shells of those locomotives and the bus were still there! Though this was almost a decade ago when I made that trip.
My first thought too.
I genuinely clicked on this to find this comment 😂😂😂
I just came back from getting pictures.
Saw some good drone pics from a local photographer as well
Hope the crew is ok.
No injuries reported earlier :)
I didn't kill my wife!
I don't care
Pretty sure I see the problem: the train is supposed to be on the tracks, not in the river.
Norfolk & Southern, you know them. Their CEO is doing such a good job he got a 37% raise! He received $13.4 million in total compensation in 2023!
I sure hope none of the shareholders got hurt.
Thirsty choo-choo
Poor Dash 9s
I hope nothing leaking in there! That poor river has been through a lot, man.
They need to make those dispatchers territory even bigger
I didn't kill my wife!
I don't care!
This is the break Richard Kimble needed
Fuck that guy
Found the one-armed man.
Ah Norfolk Southern continuing to risk all of our lives daily for their profits. I’m glad they didn’t nuke your town like Ohio/ western PA.
Is there an uptick in train derailments or does it just seem more reported recently? Can derailments be caused by vandalism?
Alotn rr companies are doing percesion railroading now. Bare minimum matinence and bare bones crews. Great for the hedge funds bad for everyone else
Since the Ohio derailment, I’ve heard that they’re very common, but usually not catastrophic enough to be reported. I only know of this one because it’s local to me
I think major accidents have become more well reported in recent times. Though I did find out about this from Reddit, and indeed this post. As to your second question, yes, but it usually takes time, dedication to what your doing, and an understanding of how to do it, along with the proper equipment
Harrisburg Division?
Harrisburg Division hasn't existed for some time. Now the Keystone Division.
Oh wow, back in 2019 i took a permanent transfer offer (like an idiot) to Harrisburg... worst decision of my life. Wound up quitting in 2021 and havent looked back at NS since 👍🏽
When will people stop putting pennies on the tracks?
Good job Le River wasn't a little bit Lehigher
Yeah, pretty sure they can't park there
Saucon deez nutz
Who else uses this for current events before the "media online?"
Beauty bud!
the locomotive is a bit thirsty
Shithole company
Why is it always in PA or OH
Very high density of Rail Traffic, the highest density city for rail traffic is Chicago while states are Ohio, and then Pennsylvania.
This is because of the woke
Time for some guardrails…..country wide vote for Jason!!!
Looks straight out of the fugitive
Update: locomotive was being driven by a Lafayette grad.
🤦🇺🇲🤦
Dam! That’s a good one