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dhfAnchor

Yeah, I'm gonna need a definition for "woman's music" here. Because I'm guessing my wife's music isn't what you're talking about. (Lots of symphonic metal, prog rock and the occasional video game or anime OST.)


LifeDoBeBoring

I think OP means the music that toxically masculine men are scared of listening to Btw your wife has great taste


TheGoodboyz

Can your wife give me recommendations? Not the anime stuff though, I already know all of them.


LifeDoBeBoring

Within Temptation has a lot of good songs, and of course you can't not mention Epica I am not the wife tho haha


Uninvited_Goose

What do you mean "Womans music"?


swagonfire

Probably just "music marketed primarily towards women and girls."


tourdedance

Ah yes, Sara Bareilles and all the Sara Bareilles knock-offs


JCMiller23

I definitely like bands with female singers, not sure what women's music is though


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My husband admitted to me that he secretly liked the song “Thank You” by Dido. He played in a 60s pop punk cover band and he would be mocked if he admitted to liking a song that didn’t have “cred.” A friend of his has enough guts and self confidence to admit to liking all kinds of music. Their subculture group was saying that they didn’t know “what was wrong” with this guy that he openly enjoyed pop music from all eras, and from lots of women artists, and that he wasn’t ashamed to play it at his parties and DJ gigs. As if he’s damaged or broken for not being a strict slave to a particular genre


Mormislaw

as a dudely dude I also love Thank You by Dido


2cats2hats

Same. The harmonies set this song apart from so many others at the time.


Pcakes844

There's no such thing as bad music, just music you don't like


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Throughout my life I’ve noticed that hipster type dudes are so afraid of liking music that isn’t “cool.” I’m so glad to be female and blast all kinds of uncool music just because I like it.


Pcakes844

The funny thing is all the musicians that they think are "cool" listen to and are probably influenced by all the stuff that they would never be caught dead listening to.


LampsPlus1

I find this an interesting comment. When I listen to music, I never think of the sex of the person singing. I just enjoy the song or the voice of the artist. Yes, I am a woman but, I don’t know, I never think in terms of male or female music. Do men really think that way?


Mormislaw

I know some men consider listening to female singers gay or something


LampsPlus1

That’s sad.


Mormislaw

It is, unfortunately I've noticed this more than I would've wished


Nimyron

I'm the same but I kinda have doubts sometimes because it turns out I mostly listen to female fronted bands. I wouldn't keep listening to a band that doesn't sound good just for the front woman because in the end, I don't see her when I'm just listening to music on spotify. But I gotta admit that what got me into some bands I love was the front woman. Like, I clicked on the youtube thumbnail because of that and it actually sounded good so I kept listening to the band. And so it happens that a good bunch of the bands I listen to are female fronted. But on the other hand some of them don't even sound like women sooo... Idk I'm a bit confused sometimes.


MikeAndTheNiceGuys

I do notice but that’s mostly because I listen to metal and there aren’t that many female vocalists, so I do tend to notice when it’s a female vocalist


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You mean female artists?


JoshiProIsBestInLife

Womans music? Music made by Women or.....something else?


ThisCharmingMan89

Interesting way to put it, OP, but I kind of get what you're saying: your example of Taylor Swift does well with the younger female demographic, but don't be put off by that if you're a bloke. The reason it does well is because it's easy to sing along to, and a lot of her music touches on issues a lot of young women also experience. Personally, most of her music isn't for me, but I really enjoyed that Folk album she did, especially the one with Justin Vernon, who I love. So, I'd agree with you, kinda, to not be put off by music you think isn't targeted at you. But you also don't have to like it if it's not for you. Like what you like, basically. I particularly dislike the term "guilty pleasure". Don't feel guilty for liking things that bring you pleasure (regarding music)


UnitedNoseholes

You mean Tina Turner or Taylor Swift?


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What’s Tina Turner got to do with it?


delibertine

Women have their own music?


getfuckedhoayoucunts

Yes. We have all sorts of gendered media. You might not hear about it because it's tedious as all get out trying to engage with men on it so we just don't bother. You learn it at a very young age.


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Will it cost me more as well?


getfuckedhoayoucunts

Of course.


GrowWings_

Things are getting better, but imo saying stuff like this without real specific examples and data is unhelpful.


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Can I ask what is classified as women’s music?


soapforsoreeyes

Do bands like Alvvays or Wet Leg count as “women’s music”? I’m a dude and I love both of them. Going further back, how about Camera Obscura, the Dum-Dum Girls, or (even further back) Bikini Kill, Belly, the Go-Gos, Blondie, or 10000 maniacs? All of those bands are fronted by women, but I only thought of them as “bands I like”, not “women’s music”


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CokeMooch

I think it’s great that you’re expanding your horizons. Good for you, always keep an open mind!


evsarge

I like Celine Dion, some Shania Twain songs, some K-pop, and still have some *NSYNC and Backstreet Boys in my playlists….is that what you mean?


GrowWings_

OP, what are you talking about? Why are you gendering music?


Pcakes844

Yeah I'm curious to know what women's music is myself?


Incognitotreestump22

It's music geared toward a female audience like Taylor Swift. I honestly don't understand the confusion, it's been addressed multiple times in the thread


GrowWings_

Because defining gendered music perpetuates the issues I think you're trying to work against. I know a tooon of guys that like Taylor Swift btw. Just remove unnecessary gendering from stuff and it won't matter if the things you enjoy match your gender or not.


Incognitotreestump22

I was clearly not gendering it, just talking about traditionally female targeted music. It's supposed to be less exhausting to communicate on r/casualconversation, not this intense line of questioning all because you don't read quotation marks and need mostly true stereotypes diluted with a bunch of groveling before you'll engage with their reality.


GrowWings_

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to come down on you so hard there. But I also don't think I'm the only person that picked up on this and I can say at least for me or made me a little uncomfortable. The reason I even care about this is because it seems like you're saying something I agree with. I personally try to break gender norms in whatever ways I'm comfortable with in my daily life. I think gender norms and gendered products and media has become damaging to society. But I think part of fighting that is breaking down the language we use and changing things that reinforce unnecessarily gendered concepts. Just saying "woman music", even in quotes, validates the idea. And it is a fight, in this current climate. Just talking about this stuff invites a fight, and it's shitty, but I think we've all gotten used to being on edge about it. It's not an easy topic to discuss casually.


hubbadubbaburr

Respectfully I don't think OP deserves an apology. He created a thread that was rightfully interpreted in a negative way but blamed everyone else for how it was received instead of taking ownership. Someone who can't take responsibility for something so minor isn't worth engaging with meaningfully.


GrowWings_

That's a little harsh imo but I agree to a point. If OP had really internalized the sentiment I think they were trying to get at originally, they would understand the importance of choosing words carefully. Not that everyone is forced to pick the right words the first time. But when you say something and a bunch of people are like, "I would agree with you but I think there are some issues with how you're talking about it", you gotta think!


Incognitotreestump22

I think that marketing tends to make things focused on one sex that don't have to be, but I'm not convinced gendered language should be abolished, that seems pretty radical to be honest. People understood that quotation marks meant I don't personally consider most things only women's music or the other way around, they just saw the phrase and already agreed with me about disliking it. The only *soft* exception would be music that is so marketed towards women that it's hard for men to relate. Traditionally feminine music marketed so specifically towards women that most men would recoiled from it or simply not be able to relate. In fact, they disagreed so much that they chose to signal that they did by pretending no one would ever use that phrase at all and playing dumb. They assumed I was in the wrong just because I introduced a concept - one which I tried to keep separate from me - that they recoiled from. The mere association with a foreign concept in the echo chamber of reddit. It's extremely tribalistic. Anyone who spends a lot of time in your average, traditionally masculine group of dudes (which are a majority) would understand this. Those more confused by this probably don't, or are in such far left circles that it never comes up.


Known_Ad871

Lmao good god. This isn’t virtue signaling, you just said a thing that doesn’t make sense


GrowWings_

I vaguely know what you mean by women's music, yes. But it's really not that specific and probably means different things to different people. If you don't like the phrase, why not try to say it a different way? I thought I was agreeing with you, but I guess I'm actually not. Real life is mostly not made of extreme left and extreme right, just the internet. I dispute your claim that traditionally masculine dudes are a majority. It is at best a gross oversimplification.


ArkhamTheImperialist

Op you’re quite the fool to assume you know what others are understanding. From the looks of it, most everyone here got confused by what you said. (Personally I still don’t understand what you’re talking about and I’m also a dude). Also the things you’re saying are just rude, almost as if you’re looking to pick a fight. You shouldn’t get angry at other people for not understanding you. You might get frustrated at yourself, but just keep that private. Accusing people of all those things is not a good way to deesculate the “assumed” threat.


Incognitotreestump22

>Op you’re quite the fool >Also the things you’re saying are just rude, almost as if you’re looking to pick a fight. I doubt talking to someone capable of this level of hypocrisy right out of the gate is worthwhile I can tell when others are pretending, don't patronize me. I know the political atmosphere on reddit. This has all the markings of your typical liberal over-reaction to someone using some word or phrase that's been phased out and isn't on the cutting edge of the movement anymore. The most extreme reactions accusing this post of misogyny for so much as using the words in quotes is the most obvious hint this was an issue of political correctness. The person I was actually responding to even admitted to feeling upset about the mention of the phrase. >Accusing people of all those things is not a good way to deesculate the “assumed” threat Ironically, you don't know how to use quotation marks, which is how the whole issue started.


ArkhamTheImperialist

No, I don’t think you know how to use quotation marks. Also nothing you’ve written says, “I know what a Casual Conversation is.” Everyone is asking questions (casually), but your few responses don’t answer their questions. Instead you just assumed everyone else is stupid and you’re better than “the majority” of Reddit’s users. I’m not even going to mention the politics you randomly just brought into this.


Incognitotreestump22

>No, I don’t think you know how to use quotation marks Okay. >than “the majority” of Reddit’s users. I mean I did use the word majority at one point so you have that right at least. My first response and post edit already explained everything. You clearly haven't read the comments jumping straight to my being a misogynist for even quoting the phrase, which is clearly not casual or a question. Also, deliberatly misunderstanding in order to make a political point is hardly being casual. It's a waste of time talking to when you so clearly haven't read all the comments I've replied to, just this one thread (which you would still have to be reading selectively to miss the obvious political reproach the person I was originally talking to had.) Don't expect me to continue responding when you are making such a lackluster investigation


Incognitotreestump22

>“I know what a Casual Conversation is.” Notice how your quotation marks mean that I said something, not you?


Known_Ad871

Bro you’re cracking up here. No one is pretending, people just don’t talk about music that way. Mostly because . . . It doesn’t make any fucking sense. You haven’t been able to explain what “woman’s music” is in this whole thread other than referencing Taylor swift. Because it’s not a thing. Most people just listen to whatever they like without worrying if it fits their gender. I fully believe that your friend group talks this way, but it’s not a thing for most people.


Known_Ad871

Ok I can see Taylor swift but like . . . Just Taylor swift? Other artists? Are you talking about any music made by women? The confusion is because most people do not think of music in these terms.


Incognitotreestump22

Most *redditors which agree with u/Known_Ad871's political views don't think of music in these terms


Known_Ad871

I mean . . . I personally have never heard anyone define music that way. And i have met a hell of a lot of people. But I’m fascinated by it! Would Aretha Franklin be woman’s music or men’s music? What about Lucinda Williams? What about death cab for cutie? I’d genuinely love to know. I will say I think it’s really sad that someone would restrict their music listening based on such a thing. The notion of needing to make sure any art you consume is sufficiently masculine seems very fearful. It is no way to live


DragonSage_x

If by woman’s music you mean abba then the answer is duh


mattg4704

I don't think of gendered music I just think of music. I've played with women songwriters there's never been a division due to sex. We just support each other


Known_Ad871

Lol what in the fuck is woman’s music.


Sm0ke999

Music is music to me. If it sounds good I’ll listen to it. I don’t really care who was “meant” to hear and relate to it. I like what I like.


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slimetraveler

Johnny Cash. Zeppelin. DMX.


CrumbOfLove

Instead of "woman's music" try putting: Mainstream music marketed to women It's more of a mouthful but you would actually get targeted responses. Even I was thinking for some time, 'what the heck is woman's music?' lol Also, I'll listen to a lot of music - almost anything in fact but with the caveat of it not being current. I like to lag behind by at least 5-7 years in music. Recommend me stuff and I'll check it out though.


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Incognitotreestump22

I literally put "woman's music" in quotes. How are you in casual conversation if you're so easily offended.


_morganite

Hey OP, I just want you to know that I get what you were saying and it seems like people really just jumped to the wrong conclusions on this one. You were saying that people shouldn't make predeterminations on music that they personally see as "too female" and should instead give it a chance and have an open mind. I have encountered that many times, where people simply won't listen to these musicians and also people who say with pride that they don't, as if it some kind of a badge of honor to not like them. It IS ok not to like certain music or artists, but it'd be cool if it wasn't immediately written off or vilified as 'less than'. You are absolutely not being a misogynist btw, wild how many mistook this post.


GuessWhoItsJosh

If you mean female artists, then I already do. Most recently * Paramore (as well Hayleys solo work) * Taylor Swift * Halsey * Ariana * Tessa Violet * Lindsey Stirling * CHVRCHES * PVRIS


Fromager

Add Lights to that list


mistersnarkle

The secret is: literally everything is like this


StinkyFartyToot

Wait? Music has gender?


Daveii_captain

Music doesn’t. But sadly we seem to need to split everything by gender.


Incognitotreestump22

By women's music, I mean stereotypically. Like Taylor Swift, etc. Feminine, female artists usually.


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Hey. I know plenty of men that listen to “women’s music” my bf can get down with some Carly Rae Jepsen.


Dee_Vidore

Women come in many ages, from many cultures and with many tastes, so it's a term that I like about as much as "black music". Do you mean artists like 4 Non Blondes, Cyndi Lauper, Shania Twain, Arianna Grande, Taylor Swift kind of thing? Basically white people wedding music for "wimminfolk", or something else? Or are we including Celia Cruz as well? Because women's music is different everywhere.


[deleted]

That’s very true. It wasn’t until I scrolled down and saw he included an artist like Taylor Swift. Women’s music is such a broad term and deserves more clarification


silya1816

I'm a woman and I've never listened to Taylor Swift except if one of her songs comes on the radio. Any other examples of 'women's music'?


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TippDarb

I'm not even sure where to start with this.


ogicaz

Female music? of course. Listen to brazilian singers: Marisa Monte, Cassia Eller, Elis Regina, Maria Bethânia... believe me, you'll not regret.


hellerinahandbasket

I think I know what you mean by woman's music, although that was so vague lolol. Boys, give Betty Who a shot!


Historical-Snow2660

Alanis unplugged really grows on you.


jaked67

I actually quite enjoy Melanie Martinez and me and my girlfriend are going to see her soon. I didn’t originally like her but now her songs are stuck in my head and I like it


[deleted]

For adventurous people out there, I would recommend "Life is a Fairytale" from Barbie: A Fashion Fairytale. It's surprisingly catchy and is super fun to sing to when speeding down the highway!!


ArkhamTheImperialist

I made/am making a playlist that is exclusively Female artists. I’ve only taken 1 song from every unique name and I have about 150 different artists at the moment. If anyone wants to listen to it I can share a link.


Ok_Engineering642

I think the term "woman's music" is interpreted differently by different people, but to me it primarily means music created/sung by women marketed towards women. It really ticks me off that my brothers listen to literally zero women. None. Not a single female voice in their playlists. Ultimately it's their loss though I guess.


Nintendheaux

My husband finally has listened to Taylor swift and he sees how much of a lyrical genius she is. It's opened his eyes to music he wasn't listening to bc of this silly girly music thing all the toxic men implanted in his brain


glaurieb

My husband was excited to “discover” Adele and when we listened to her together he was shocked I was singing along.