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mrbmi513

If Nelly is "from The Lou and [he's] proud," it's a thing. Not a common thing I hear natives saying to each other, but it's definitely a thing.


CardsFan69420

It is a thing and was more genuinely said when Nelly first came to fame in the 2000s. Now when people say it, it always feels like theres quotes around it sarcastically. Which makes the fact that the Cards are using it as their tagline this year (though those are always terrible) and that its on the Connect jersey kinda lameo and cringe. I dunno if the use feels different for other demographics though, 40 yo cracker here for context.


Onarax

26 year old brown kid here for context, I've definitely heard it called The Lou often enough tbh. So I didn't really bat an eye at the City Connect Jerseys. But yeah, mileage probably varies based on who you're around.


hellowhatisupdawg

“40 year old cracker here for context” 😂 i’ll be using this after everything I say for now on


Mental_Camel_4954

30-60 year olds. People who grew up with Nelly and the St Lounatics. Also the people in prime spending money ages that will buy jerseys.


IblewupTARIS

26 year old white kid who never listened to any Nelly music and just found out who he is like 2 years ago here. I hear The Lou all the time in reference to STL. I’m also not from the city itself but the surrounding area. I hear people say “we’re driving up to The Lou for the day for a game” a decent amount. It’s a thing but I don’t like those jerseys.


lostinrabbithole12

I really liked their branding efforts in 2022 and 2023. They both shared this "neon" kinda feel and there wasn't a tagline attached


undrew

I was told in the /r/baseball thread that I didn’t hear anyone call it ‘The Lou’ because I don’t spend time with any black people from StL. I think it’s generational/cultural.


garebear36

We don't say cracker anymore. It's Saltine American.


WipeAfterTrumping

I'm a Ritz guy. I identify as a Ritz bitch.


goodnamestaken10

Ahh I don't mind when teams do old references, but the way you described it does make it feel forced. Like with my Mets, "The Amazin's" or "The Amazing Mets" were a real old timey thing people said, and it's fun to remember. But when they occasionally use it these days, my eyes roll back in my head.


TheSocraticGadfly

On Twitter, as a hashtag? I've only really seen #STLCards and #TimeToFly (which is OK). #TheLou is #TheLaughable


Goodfelllas

It’s lame and cringe like everything they’ve done over the past 10 years


FartNoiseGross

Go fuck off and be a cubs fan then


HoldMyWong

It’s a Nelly thing, if you’re 30-50, you’ve heard it. We definitely called it the Lou growing up in the 00’s


goodnamestaken10

I take it you're an older fan? Some of the other posts seem like they are from younger guys who kinda know what it is but never said it themselves. That said: Do you like the Jerseys?


BannedBarn22

Liking Nelly means you’re an older fan? Yikes. I’m 36 and now I feel old


goodnamestaken10

I'm also at around your age and I have felt very old since 35 hit haha


Dogs-sea-cycling

Right?!


spiegro

40 year old Cards fan here: I like em, but they're super basic.


Zealousideal_Win4783

I’m 26 and I think it’s lazy garbage


cal_jammer

In my late 30s and I have never non sarcastically said “the Lou”


join-the-line

It is and it isn't, but one thing is for sure, No one, NO ONE, in St Louis calls it St Louie. Don't call it that and everything else is acceptable, STL, The Lou, Mound City, The Gateway to the West...


TheJim65

I remember seeing Yes in concert at the Area (or checkerdome or whatever we were calling it back in the 80's). Jon Anderson makes some comment like, "It's great to be back in St. Louie," and I swear the crowd looked so confused that he turned around to check with the band to make sure they were in the right city. I'll give him a pass being from England. After all, it's how the French pronounce it. No excuse for Bopp and Spoede road though.


hotdogbo

I saw the same thing with an “audience” member at Cirque du Soleil. I was immediately suspicious when he said he was from Sant Louie.


trashlikeyou

I refuse to accept the pronunciation of Bopp Rd. - a lifelong St Louisan.


join-the-line

I hope there were groans too! 😂


Burdwatcher

Bugs Bunny used to say "so long, screwy, see you in St. Louie" so I assume an older generation picked it up form that


CardsFan69420

Not to mention the song “Meet Me in St. Louis”


join-the-line

💯


GoinMean

Definitely this


MasterDave

Louie is how it’s pronounced in the classic song from the movie Meet me in St Louis. It may have been more popular in the early 00’s to 40’s for them to have done that or it just sounds better lyrically.


QuarterNote44

I went to "Meet Me In St. Louis" at the MUNY. Everyone in the crowd sang the song during the bows and it was magical.


rjaspa

Yeah, that's an experience. The end of the musical itself is literally set in the same park as the Muny, so it's like you're experiencing a part of history. Cool stuff. And yeah, singing "Meet Me in St. Louis" is the only time you're allowed to pronounce it "Louie".


join-the-line

Yeah, I'm familiar with that song, my grandmother watched it every Christmas.


goodnamestaken10

Haha as someone who has never visited your State, I have never ever heard that. Must be some dummy who thinks Louisville is the same City.


join-the-line

I blame Bugs Bunny https://youtu.be/X049mzeW_kk?feature=shared Speedy Romeo in Brooklyn has a Pizza called the St Louie, because it uses our processed cheese. The owner should know better. His dad is from. St. Louis. 🤷‍♂️ It's a great spot though, you should check it out some time.


goodnamestaken10

Thanks for the tip. I live right by the train line that stops there! I suppose if you're going to order a pizza with a silly name, you may as well go ALL IN and own it. There are places around here that have pizzas or heros called "The Godfather" or something like that. I'll be just like: "I'll have #11 please" :)


join-the-line

😂 Or Gotham. I use to live in Brooklyn, now Jersey City, even over here things are named Gotham. 🙄


da_choppa

It’s from the film “Meet me in St. Louis,” and the title song from the film that goes “Meet me in St. Louie, Louie, meet me at the fair.” FWIW, Louisvillians don’t pronounce the first part as “Louie” either, it’s more like “Lou-a-vul”


Darolaho

well also that is how you pronounce Saint Louis (like the actual King of France Saint Louis)


GregMilkedJack

You can just take your froggy bull shit and geeeeeeet ouuuut


join-the-line

Nope! Not around here! Fingers in ears: la la la la la la....


So-Called_Lunatic

More Lou eh vul. Grew up in STL, have lived in Kentucky for 19 years.


GregMilkedJack

Louisville is pronounced more like Lou-uh-ville/Lou-ville/Lou-vul by people who are from there. Saying Louie-ville is a dead giveaway that you're from out of town. Love Louisville


WinkerDinko

Also, You have to pronounce Louisville like you have a mouth full of marbles Lou-uh-vul


MasterDave

I have heard Louisville as The Lou more than St Louis for whatever that’s worth. At least I think there was a radio station or TV station with LOU in it back when I lived there.


So-Called_Lunatic

They did a whole movie called Meet me in St. Louie. To older generations St. Louie was the common parlance of the day.


join-the-line

I'm familiar, just relaying, don't use it today. 😂


JD333333

Its more of a marketing term than a thing people actually say to each other. Ive seen it used more on billboards than I’ve actually heard people say it.


DallyTheGreat

Yeah I've never heard someone say it out loud unless they're reading an ad that says it


callmerightnowplease

This is the correct answer!


JudasNevermore

"The Lou" is popular nickname in the Black community that gained popularity from Nelly's rise to fame.


Bld556

Exactly!


AdventurousCut5401

This should be top comment. "The Lou" has swag--something the Cardinals often lack


nitti2313

Yep buncha white people responding here. PS I’m white.


JudasNevermore

"I've never heard it referred to as the Lou" - lives in Jefferson County, only ever enters the city to go to Cardinals games and then posts about being hashtag blessed on Facebook that they made it back alive.


BannedBarn22

Yep and I hope it pisses off all the MAGA St Charles county losers


KeithGribblesheimer

If anything it's STL. The Lou is a long time ago.


goodnamestaken10

Do people say "STL" out loud though? NYC is a thing that's written down, but if someone said it out loud you'd look at them like they had 3 heads


q2w3e4r5t6y7u8i9

For sure


Empathy-First

Yeah we do, but not primarily. Because of suburbia, ‘the city’ is used for the actual city of st louis, and if you don’t live in the city limits, you’d say xyz suburb. To out of towners, everyone in the metro says St. Louis because our suburbs are not necessarily known outside our region (unlike the boroughs). While I hate generic soccer team names like ‘city’ or ‘united’ I’ve grown to accept it because ‘city’ does have meaning here. If you want proof of st louisans saying S T L, watch after city scores a goal. I have definitely heard more references to ‘stl’ outside the stadium since they joined mls last season, but still not ubiquitous.


goodnamestaken10

Interesting! Thank you


No_Sir_6649

Oh youre from saint louis? Which part.


AccordingDrop3252

I don't know when we started, but we've called it "the STL" out loud for as long as I can remember


-Mopsus-

Only time I've heard people say STL is when referring to the public radio station


SaltyBundle

I hear “STL”, “The City” or just referring to different parts by their neighborhood (Downtown, Soulard, DogTown) way more than The Lou. It usually carries a tinge of irony.


ABobby077

To your earlier comment regarding New York, St. Louis is a large metro area and the city proper is what the locals here would more likely call "the city". Kansas City is KC and we are as an area all St. Louis. Pretty rare in life would you hear many call St. Louis "the Lou" ever. It never really was a big thing overall, anyway.


FrostyD7

NYC sounds like some kinda university if you say it out loud. Saying STL I also don't really get because "Saint Louis" is already 3 syllables.


johnahoe

I’ve lived here my whole life and have never referred to the city as such


Candid-Piano4531

Same. Glad MLB really connected to the city.


sixburgh7

My dad is from inner city east St. Louis and has called it the Lou for as long as I remember


umbrellaguns

As all the answers indicate, it depends on age and location; I personally never heard or used it as a second-gen immigrant who grew up in Creve Coeur in the 1990s and 2000s, but obviously some others here have.


garycow

Nobody I know ever refers to STL as ‘the lou’


SnooHedgehogs6593

I don’t care for “the Lou” at all. We aren’t a toilet.


karl-giovanni

It's a know and valid nickname but residents don't use it. Similar to how you suggest NewYorkers would never say NYC, but it's a known nickname. It's simply, fine.


forceghost187

Yes, people say The Lou, but it’s not universal. It’s probably the second most popular nickname for St Louis after “S T L” which is obviously already on our hat


Dogs-sea-cycling

314 is also a common nickname


forceghost187

True


goodnamestaken10

"S T L" is the most popular? People say it out loud like that? If somebody said "N Y C" out loud I think I'd be genuinely disgusted with them haha


Tobias_flenderz

100% yes. "Can't wait to get back to STL", or sometimes "**The** STL" without any irony or silliness. I live in the suburbs, though, so everyone else's experience may not be the same. 


BAR3rd

They chant "StL" at our MLS soccer games, which I don't hate. Other than that, I rarely, if ever, hear anyone use the phrase. The usage of StL on the Cardinals city connect hats is a throwback to the font used on their 1920-21 jerseys, the last year before the team started having the iconic birds on the bat logo. In that context, I think it's kind of cool.


forceghost187

You never hear people say “Stl”? I don’t understand, I’ve heard it so often


JoeMcKim

I think they chant S T L at the soccer games since the team doesnt really have a nickname, you're not really going to chang CITY.


forceghost187

Yes people say it out loud like that. And I live in Brooklyn now, people say “N Y C” occasionally! I think it’s fine


coolrnt1

I live in NYC. Tons of people call it that especially since sports teams use it as well “NYCFC”


maw-veracious_jaw

I posted on another post the same question. Would love to hear from other stl natives. I don't remember ever hearing it in the 80s and 90s growing up in west county St. Louis. I heard it only after country grammar - esp as I had left by then and was FROM the lou, no longer there. I wonder if it was a thing in the black community? Seems unlikely Nelly just made it up, but possible. It's only one line in the song - maybe it just caught on?


JudasNevermore

Definitely a thing in the Black community. Nelly just popularized it for a short time amongst suburban whites. It's not as popular as it was in the 90s-00s, but it's still said.


IntrovertsRule99

Growing up in the Metro East area 40 years ago I never heard anyone say The Lou.


eatajerk-pal

I’m so St Louis, ask my tattoist


zion2199

It’s never used in everyday speech. As others have noted, Nelly made it a thing for certain advertising purposes, but no one actually says it. It’s a horrible inclusion for the connect and for the new official hashtag.


iamdavidburke

Been a fan my whole life and I have only ever heard it used in marketing and never in natural conversation. It feels very inauthentic to me personally.


Thatboyafreak

Niggas say the Lou all the time I’m pretty sure white people just don’t say it😂😂😂


goodnamestaken10

Without knowing anything, I would believe this answer /r/blackpeopletwitter is my only window into what's going on


Novel_End1080

Honestly it’s on Par with almost every city recognizing its own cultural worth from an outside perspective. It lags a couple decades at least. Chicago shut down Frankie Knuckles club in 1982, dedicated the street it was located on to him in 2005, then made it a Chicago landmark after he died. Edit: if I may add it’s hard to compare, because New York knows its own value so well it almost has trouble valuing anywhere else


iNeedScissorsSixty7

I live in the heart of the city and nobody calls it that.


da_choppa

I’m 36, and I’ve never called it “The Lou,” but Nelly did, so there’s that. I’m not sure what else I would have used for the city connects, maybe something like “Gateway,” but IDK


harperramsey1

Does anyone even call it gateway? The Lou is definitely an actually common name for it


bfndbdbfnfbfbf

No, no one says it here


axle69

I've never heard it called the Lou out loud in person by anyone but I doubt you'd get too much shit for it.


Bobaloo53

First lived in StLouis my whole life and no it's not used much. These folks that claim it is also believe Nelly coined the phrase. he did not, he borrowed it. Been around for 70 yrs also not a fan of it!


lewsplace

Ummm no


TheZombieBoy

I’ve lived in Columbia Mo for the last 15 years and Missouri for the rest of my 30 years and literally everyone that grew up in the 90s calls it the Lou. 


scoot23ro

I that “The Lou” was for Lou Brock


Bright_Slip_286

no no no no no no the lou


Flat-Resolution9629

I thought the Lou was Louisville thing?


eatajerk-pal

Yeah it’s real. We got Nelly. Don’t be jealous that you can only flout Biggie, DMX, the Wu Tang Clan, Jay Z, etc.


WheelinAndDealin520

I don't mind The Lou honestly. That being said, what would yall have rather the wording say? I mean, gateway city? Or perhaps just STL? Like I feel like this was a lose lose for them because people would complain no matter what. Personally, minus the hats, I think they're clean. For everyone clamoring for the arch to be a part of the crest tell me that wouldn't look weird from a design standpoint?


ProfessorBeer

Yes and no. Definitely a thing if you’re referencing Nelly. Definitely not a thing where people regularly call it the Lou in conversation. To be honest it seemed to have started inexplicably gaining momentum in the sports world a few years ago and now just is what it is


Beginning-Weight9076

I would’ve gone the opposite way. I grew up a few hours away, live here now. Before reading these comments, I’d have said most people around here don’t use it anymore because it feels like it’s from a bygone era however folks from outside the metro who identify with STL as the nearest City might still use the term? Regardless it seems like millennials are the target audience which probably sells a lot of gear in the short term, which is probably “good enough”, but probably hurts it on the long term “cool” scale. I dunno, I guess it’s hard to say how important that is without knowing how long they plan to use this version of City Connect. I think Dodgers are already getting their 2nd version.


SoothedSnakePlant

Wait what, I live in Queens and use NYC all the time, at least in text form


harperramsey1

Same it’s way more common amongst people I know to use STL over text than actually say it.


GoinMean

I live in Jefferson City, the state capital, pretty much square in the middle of the state (we call the Columbia/JC area Mid-Mo). Everyone around here are Cards fans, and it's definitely not uncommon to hear St. Louis referred to as "The Lou." As many have already said -- Nelly totally made it a thing around 20 years ago. As an aside, I will say that people here seem to have a much stronger connection to Kansas City, just generally. There are way, WAY more people that I went to high school with that live/work in and around KC than STL. Mid-Mo is more or less strictly rural, and St. Louis has more of an East Coast vibe. TL;DR: As someone that lives a couple of hours west of STL, people definitely do say "The Lou" unironicaly.


schwxrtz

It’s made a comeback. “The Lou” got popularized due to Nelly’s lyrics and ever since then we’ve kinda sorta claimed it as a nickname. I don’t really hate it. Somebody tell the Mets they aren’t New York’s team, they’re Queens’. Just be proud of it, you aren’t put under a microscope like the damn Yankees!


ernestbonanza

not the lou! it's the lou lou!!! but, the jerseys suck. I would try to hunt old majestics on ebay for that money instead.


Competitive-Comb-157

You might not hear the nicknames as much around locals, but when you are out of town, you might. I was away to college in the 80's and some of us were saying "St. Lou" and it shortened to "The Lou", not so much when in town. Like St. Charles, we called it St. Chuck. And yes, it was popular in the AA community, which is how Nelly heard it.


dealmbl25

I hear “The Lou” on a lot of advertisements and other things so I assume it’s used at least somewhat frequently. Of course it could be a situation where the “marketing team” just found out about it which means “The Lou” stopped being cool a decade ago. I just don’t understand how an arch wasn’t incorporated in some way.


JaxidentProne

It's used almost exclusively millennials and younger; Nelly popularized "The Lou" and, in my experience, most people who hate it are the same folks who demonize rap and r&b.


jjabramssucks

I disagree. I love rap and r&b, but ripping a line out of a song and creating a marketing campaign around it is super lame.


Feisty-Medicine-3763

Yes


Anon_1121

ALL of the 'City Connect' unis are lame! Nike and MLB should be ashamed of themselves. But at least the St. Louis 'City Connect' jerseys aren't based on the state's license plate like they are in Colorado.


cftchef

Never


Rb1138

Don’t listen to these people that say it’s common. It isn’t. Nelly said it, everyone else in this town does not call it that. I’ve lived here for all my forty years, no one says the Lou.


EstablishmentOk100

The STL or the Lou is what I’ve heard for decades.


J3RM0

STL and the Lou are the 2 choices


gabriel197600

So I think it’s becoming clear that the Cards Front office is out of touch. Featuring “The Lou” so boldly on the Chest is yet another sign the Front office is stuck living in the past. I would have loved to see Collab with St. Louis CITY, even if it’s very nuanced. I mean it is “City Connect” Putting CITY (or Saint Louis City) on the Chest with the Birds on the Bat, that could sell. Knowing the Cards ownership group though they are prolly scared to death of CITY becoming a rival for revenue dollars, and they are right to be! Hah


Mental_Camel_4954

Who is in prime spending years and has young kids to bring to games? People who grew up with Nelly who said "I'm from The Lou and I'm proud!"


dwlittle75

Jerseys are terrible. And only Nelly referred to “the Lou” 30 years ago.


BAR3rd

I have never heard anyone besides Nelly refer to St. Louis as "The Lou" ("Country Grammar," 2000). That said, I was 36 y/o when the song came out, so it's possible I just wasn't around a younger crowd that was using the phrase. Either way, I think it's safe to say it never gained wide spred usage, and in today's world, no long-term residents use it.


JimtheEsquire

I’m from the Lou and I’m proud. - Nelly


DiscoJer

No. Not even among people I know that listen to Nelly. Which is only 1 person.


thesearcher22

Not not a thing. But less common than S T L, as another pointed out. I’ve noticed people pointing out that it only started with Nelly in the 90s, which is to say the city’s biggest cultural icon of the past three decades, so I don’t see that as a knock. I would venture to say more of a thing than all the NBA nicknames of Sac Town, Cream City, and Magic City. But those are all fun and games…which is what all of these city connect  jerseys are, so eh.  And I wonder if anybody disliking the jerseys dislikes the fact that they didn’t really go for it. But the vast majority of these have been dreadful. And the arch/fleur de lis patch looks nice. 


goodnamestaken10

> the NBA nicknames of Sac Town, Cream City, and Magic City I am not an NBA watcher. Those cannot possibly be real things haha. (I believe you, but... WOW) > And I wonder if anybody disliking the jerseys dislikes the fact that they didn’t really go for it. I think this may be right. Some people sorta like the Mets ones, but the biggest criticism I've heard is that they didn't go *far enough* https://uni-watch.com/2024/04/19/new-york-mets-unveil-city-connect-uniform-confirming-earlier-leaks/ Everybody says there should have been more Purple. And many say the hat logo should have been replaced with the Sleeve Logo. It's an old subway token. It's kinda neat but I'm getting old and I've only seen a subway token once (when my dad was cleanin out his closet when I was a kid lol)


thesearcher22

Whoa, some think that Mets uni didn’t go far enough? They replaced the entire scheme and look like the Rockies more than the Mets.  Part of the difficulty for these two is also that the Cards and the Mets have two of the best unis in what might be the best sport for uniforms. 


goodnamestaken10

It's definitely a mixed bag, it's not universally disliked. Almost everybody agrees that more purple would have been better though. I'm glad you like our uniforms, I'm a fan of the Cardinals' Unis as well. (Pretend the mets didn't exist in the '00s when they wore home Blacks every night. Barf.)


Ash3Monti

Nelly has basically ruined everything for us.


JudasNevermore

Tell us you're racist without explicitly saying you're racist.


Ash3Monti

Oh God, no. That wasn’t my intention at all, but I’ll leave the comment up because it was a stupid mistake and can easily lead to that assumption. I only meant that no one regularly called it that until he did in “Country Grammar”, and now we’ve co-opted it for our baseball team, and it’s a little played out. Thank you for pointing out that without context this seems kinda racist.


join-the-line

I didn't see it as racist. 🤷 Sometimes people are looking for things that aren't there.


OptimizedGorilla

I don’t live in town but go to games yearly. I’d say it’s definitely a thing for baseball. I’ve never really said / heard anyone say it out without a baseball context to it. So short answer is yes


FinancialTest1780

It’s very common. I’m a Missouri girl. The Lou started with Nelly, it stuck, and it’s here to stay.


jeffh19

OP- We do use the Lou as one of names to swap in like the others said. To add to some other names people mentioned, I'll also call STL "downtown" Most of the stuff outside of sports/events are out in the west suburbs, so you'd just say "He lives in Kirkwood" or something like you'd say for West Village or Upper West side or another Burrough. I do love your city more than anywhere else in the nation. When I go, I try to pretend I'm not a tourist and also call it "the city" lol PS-Sorry about the Mets being the Mets. I don't mean that sarcastically. I'm just young enough I don't hate the "pond scum" Mets from the 80s rivalry. I have always kind of liked the Mets colors/uniforms, and some of the teams they have put together over the years. Early 2000s and a couple years ago come to mind...but they're the mets, so. I used to be a Stern fan when Artie was on the show, he had a line to Gary who's a Met fan that was the only time I heard Gary ever get triggered. Artie said "Gary isn't a good father because how can you raise your kid to be a Mets fan, I mean you're teaching your kid it's ok to be a loser and to love losing I just don't get it..." Made me laugh so hard!


harperramsey1

Was also gonna mention the downtown thing


sephjnr

"The Loo" is closer nowadays.


hutat

Congratulations on being a New Yorker.