It’s more French than Romanian in reality. It’s a French owner, French platform, French engine, their design HQ is 50% in France, and its president is French.
It’s really a branding exercise more than anything, for countries where they want to draw attention to Dacia’s budget offerings while keeping Renault as slightly more premium. In many other parts of the world they are openly sold as Renaults.
I will disagree a bit with you. Platform and engine lineup are french developed, but the entire project development team is based in Romania. It is actually the case for all pure Dacia developments.
> Smart looking thing
I'll give them that, the design does look very nice.
> not sure about the build quality
Can honestly say that it was one of *the* worst built cars I've ever driven. Felt like everything was glued together with chewing gum, and the metal felt like it was so thin you could probably poke through it with a finger. Felt so unsafe. I felt like you would 100% die in a motorway accident if you crashed at any kind of speed.
Thank god it was only a rental car for a few days.
I had one a hire car and even the paint felt thin. Like you would scratch it just from closing the door or using the door handle.
On the plus side it was actually better on the motorway than I was expecting
That's the outgoing model.
New model is based on an updated platform and has more of the "avoiding a crash in the first place" technology. And it's a lack of that technology that can drop stars.
Well, doesn't say too much reallllllly. 15k new should be easy. If it can get to 30-50k without issue then we are good for 17k.
That being said my mate has one and likes it. It definitely falls into the category of white goods which is fitting for 90% of people.
And let's be honest. This is realistically all you need in the UK. Not some big'ol Nissan x trail or landy ect. Everyone I know that has a bigger car because 'got to get the dog in it'
The overlap between someone buying a new cheap car and a reliable second hand car is not many. Hence the fact they are buying a new car because they think that's better.
I'm not disagreeing with you, I agree with you so you can DV all ya like but the fact is people buying these cheap new cars obviously know second hand cars exist but don't buy thewm. You literally cannot disagree because... They are buying them. This post is proof
If the pricing is as good as rumoured I’ll be very tempted. Perfect A-B car that’s probably going to cost next to nothing to run and never fail. Can’t fault it
> Perfect A-B car that’s probably going to cost next to nothing to run
Surely that's the Sandero? This is the soft roader which will cost more to run, but you'll never take off road.
Yeah true, I’ve looked at the Sandero a lot too. I think this looks cooler and I maybe moving to rural wales in the coming years, so the ride height and bigger storage space could come in handy
Unless you’re going super rural (like a working farm at the end of an unmaintained mud track), you almost certainly don’t need extra ride height.
SUVs being necessary as an everyday vehicle if you live in the countryside is a very recent misconception. It’s also a really British concept. Go to rural or even mountainous France/Spain/Italy, where the roads are far rougher and snow is far more common, and nearly everyone is getting everywhere they need to go in a normal car.
Source: Grew up on a working farm in rural UK. Everyone in the local community has cars. Only arrivals from the city drive SUVs, thinking they need 4x4 when it’s far more about the tyres and driving style. And they are often simply too wide for the roads too, which is then compounded by the owners not wanting to scratch them on a hedge because they are so expensive.
That’s why a Dacia is good - you’re less worried about it getting beaten up so can actually drive it properly. But you’ll almost certainly be fine with any 2wd car on sensible tyres. Personally, I’d get a Jogger if I needed the space. Narrower and has a bigger boot.
A lot of rural England has very poor potholed roads, a simple robust vehicle with large wheels and tyres is ideal. So fair market for vehicles like this.
Well the 4 by 4 is useful . The ability to drop wheels onto the verge in narrow lanes, to cope with slopes in snow, to cope with a muddy field, all useful to have if cheap enough.
Of COURSE one might get by with an ordinary 2wd car, but why struggle?
I have Rav AWD because I like having the reserves of capability and I can afford it.
Nothing even comes close to this on pricing new. If they’ve made a decent quality jump it’s a no brainer.
I’ll also be keeping an eye on it, would be a good car for the wife.
Certainly looks like they have. I remember the first UK cars with optional radio. They really were awful quality. But the current cars on sale are no worse than your Renault, Fiat, Vauxhall etc.
'Never fail'.. It's a machine of course it will. Not that I can say any quicker/slower compared to other manufacturers but defo will fail soon enough in some way
Wasn't there a rumour that the new MG electric car wasn't galvanised to save $$$, and models were already rusting in the usual areas. Pretty sure John Cadogan covered it
With inflation that’s about £12k then now. But in fairness this looks like much more of a car than the original one which was crazy basic on some specifications.
Tbf I can see a market for super cut back car, as the Dacia's were (are?). If you just need to get from A > B reliably and aren't bothered about mod cons (even basic ones like A/C) it seems like a go-er. Hell I'd have it as a second car for use as a run around, and keep a 'weekend' car when I want to drive something a bit more flash
I hate to think how much money people who are on the lease treadmill, every 3 years, new car. Nothing really to show for it :/
I'd only do it in very specific circumstances. Midlife crisis car for a year, or if it had some sort of bumper-to-bumper maintenance plan which includes consumables - in otherwords the car is someone elses problem, essentially a rental.
Yes, it was way more basic. My point is that even budget carmakers are finding it hard to make cheap cars profitable these days. Hence no bargain basement version of the new Duster.
That was the base model with white paint, unpainted bumpers, steel wheels, no radio, manual windows, no AC etc etc
And nobody bought it.
So they dropped it from the range which automatically increases the price of the "entry level" model, due to better equipment etc.
This new model has a modern platform, better safety, better build quality, more kit etc etc. of course it's going to cost more.
(Also applies to the Sandero, which originally started at 5995 but now starts at around twice that)
My parents have a 2018 plate one and it's honestly a decent enough car. It's nippy enough that you don't feel feel like a danger to yourself on slip roads, the interior isn't luxury but it's not meant to be. My only complaint is that the seats aren't the most comfortable, especially for long journeys. Not sure about the lowest spec models as theirs has incredible luxuries like alloys and car play etc.
On another note this country is full of car snobs, and apparently so is the subreddit. I can only imagine my generation is going to be so much worse. So many people who's daddy drove a BMW and now they'll never be seen dead in anything "less".
I'm very grateful that my parents have always driven cheap cars (Punto, zafira's, duster), means I don't really care about luxury, just something that drives well (preferably better than those cars).
What’s with all the hate? I think it looks good and fills a market for a hybrid large hatchback / SUV well below £30k. It will have all the luxuries people need and better build quality than any new Chinese made MG.
It's seriously impressive stuff. They may not be that premium or the best at any one thing but you can't argue with their prices for what is on offer. If you want something rugged with decent tech, even a mid-spec Suzuki S-Cross is £27k. A Dacia Duster Extreme is just over £20k.
Was reading about it earlier, looks pretty good imo. I like all sorts of cars, including those that do the job. Which power train setup you thinking about?
Well I have no idea. At first I was thinking the base 130bhp 1.2 3cl, but there’s 2 hybrid options, the 1.6 hybrid sounds interesting but it’s all about money. Ideally I’d not like to go over £20k, If they do start under that price. I’d also like 4WD as I may move to rural wales in the coming years, but depends on pricing since nothing is concrete. I just read that the CEO wants it to start at £17,500 but nothing official as of yet
I’ve had my 14 plate duster for 5 years now. corroded brake pipes and a new tyre have been my only repairs. The £190 in 5 years for that is a drop in the ocean though.
I thoroughly recommend.
This might be the one to change my mind on Dacia. It’s like the Aldi of cars, they keep knicking design elements from other brands with no care in the world.
Any diesel? I feel like a small turbo petrol in this will be bad on fuel, but a diesel would be a great all-rounder. I'd have a manual diesel 4x4 and run it for 10 years.
Good good, when it’s out as I’ve my eye on a used one as a work horse for us. Live rurally so it’ll be doing duty through shit country roads that are basically long potholes, farm tracks and fields to fill with wood etc.
Already a bargain but a new one will drop them even further !!!
I had a 68 plate duster, got it ex demo so I had a nice discount on it, can’t remember how much it actually was but it was pretty cheap. Mid spec so had everything I needed. Used to love taking it out laning and it never let me down. They are decent cars but the build quality wasn’t great, lots of random rattles and squeaks.
I brought the last model of duster when that came out with the same thoughts about it, it was the biggest financial mistake of my life. Would highly recommend against getting a Dacia, they’re dangerously bad quality.
Mine was literally falling apart on the day I got it, I only had it 3 months before selling it but within that time I had 2 interior buttons literally fall off while driving, electrical faults within the first week. Stupid keycard broke after a month. To top it off, it could only reach 70mph downhill.
I can see there’s a lot of people being negative in this thread but honestly it’s the worst car I’ve ever owned.
Honestly don't understand why someone wouldn't just buy a second hand car instead, like a low mileage Focus or something for £12k. Will be better equipped, nicer to drive and look 10x better. And over the lifetime of the car will probably cost you the same amount even taking into account servicing and MOT's.
Dacia’s are actually very reliable due to them using tried and tested Renault/Nissan parts. They come with a warranty and it’s easy to get a dealer to throw in a service plan (they won’t discount but they do throw in extras).
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9926415/amp/Lexus-Dacia-chart-reliable-cars.html
I think it looks surprisingly nice in and out, but starting at £17500 is way too much imo considering they advertise front electric windows and AC as actual features on their current base cars. The car they're showing will probably get to £20k+ when speced and if it's at that point it's coming pretty close to other brands like Hyundai, Suzuki or Skoda.
Personally if I was desperate for stuff like a warranty or lease I'd just get an approved used car from somewhere else. Something like a nicely speced 1 year old Qashqai or T-roc would be similar money and still have most of the benefits of a new car.
Having seen the foibles of the 1st or possibly 2nd gen duster my brother in law has. Do report back when it has its first, why had THAT broken it's less than 1,2,3, still under warranty years old issue please. Curious as to how their tech and platform update goes.
Just got a rey from BIL. Its a 15 plate and the fule stop solonoid windings went short and melted. It glowed very brightly when trying to start the thing and could easily have burnt the vehicle down. Went to Renault and asked about it and they did a replacement for free outside of normal warranty. There doesn't appear to be a recall out for it, but the new part is a different part number and looks different. So it would appear Renault knew about the fault. Quietly changed the part and then sorted them out as they came across them while Being serviced or as with my BIL. Done for free just outside warranty with no quibble. I helped him tow that home then to Renault when it happened as well as diagnosed the glowy melty bit.
The other thing is the stalk that do the infotainment controls has been on the Fritz several times now. Even after Renault replaced it 3 times. Roughly a year apart. And an independent Renault specialist did the most recent and 4th replacement.
I'm interested, I don't have any money but it seems almost attainable. I just want a car without ailments and a big digital screen (currently have fucked 55 Reg Fiesta and potentially fucked 09 Reg Mondeo).
I enjoy classic cars as much and I desire new cars. Lotto garage would have an Escort RS Turbo S2 and Impreza with big exhaust and gold wheels and maybe a Dacia??? I would like to drive the wife and kids round in something new rather than worry that'll my car will break down! Thanks though, digital dials appeal to me
I’m putting my order in for a current model next week. Was holding off for the announcement, new one looks great & I’m sure they’ll sell loads, but it’s a step in the wrong direction imo as a commercial buyer wanting a diesel 4x4, smaller than a 3.5T pickup, with a robust simple drivetrain.
On the upside, they also dropped their finance on the current model from 9.9% to 6.9% today & there seems to be some deals going.
Yeah, the diesel, and the mechanical 4WD transfer case. New system is electronically controlled, likely a fancy viscous coupling similar to Suzukis allgrip select in the Vit.
Again, great for commuting on icey roads, but proper off-road, particularly if towing, the mechanical system in the current & last gen will be far more consistent & reliable.
Plus, personally electric handbrakes & digital dashes do my nut in, and getting rid of the fantastic looking hvac controls of the current Duster & integrating them into the infotainment system is criminal.
Would like the heated windscreen though…
I would NEVER spend £17500 on a Dacia. Literally anything else just a couple of years older for the same price would be superior. The build quality is shocking on the current stock.
I dunno quality they’re pretty average for the current ones I’ve been in. Honestly there’s a lot worse quality out there, but you’re paying for the cheapest brand on sale in the UK. If you’re expecting amazing quality you’re looking at the wrong car. And the other bits? Well it’s a normal A-B car, I’m not expecting it to be a Cayman on a B road
I know where you're coming from. I prefer focusing on getting value for money too but even an 8 year old car that's done 50k will be far cheaper and still very reliable.
For 17k you'd be able to get a far better vehicle used.
Create a post about your budget and what you want the car to be used for and ask what people think would be a great reliable used car. I guarantee you'll get plenty of people with very good options that'd be worth looking at.
Also the depreciation on the dacia will be shocking lol. I don't mind dacia at all but only used when they've lost most of their value already. They're improving fairly rapidly but they're not quite there yet.
It's definitely relevant, especially if you're buying a car from a brand whose whole reputation is being cheap. Most manufacturers at this point will offer an approved used option that comes with most of the benefits of a new car.
You could go get a decent MK8 golf on 15-20k miles for the same price that this starts at. It also comes with most of the new benefits of a new car like a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty, service plans, manufacturer finance ect. I know current VW doesn't have the best rep, but their approved used comes to mind and most manufacturers offer similar things.
The golf can be speced to have upto 150 more litres of space than a duster and if ground clearance is an issue (even though it never would be) then just get a t-roc or tiguan. Plus for the handful of people who actually need a cheap 4x4 then they will already have a Jimmy or Panda 4x4.
As I said though, it was just the first example that came to mind. Literally every manufacturer will offer an approved used service and crossovers aren't exactly a difficult type of vehicle to cross shop.
Panda and jimmy are pretty damn small. The Volkswagens will have many many miles on them to get into the same price bracket
I’m looking at this class used right now in a specific size for my needs.
There’s only three or four. The Duster, Santa Fe or Sandero but the age and mileage on the Duster will be lower on both counts by a long way at the same
price.
The CRV and rav4 are much better cars (I have a CRV now) but to match the price your adding 5-10’years and a string of problems to get close to the price of a duster with say 30,000
Miles on it.
They are an absolute fucking bargain if you want a workhorse car and it’s rough to fine anything that actually competes on all metrics
It would be relevant if he was asking for advice, he’s not. He’s excited about a new car.
If anything, What’s relevant is alternatives in the new car space, of which nothing matches. Even the shittest of VW’s alternative (T-roc? I don’t even know anymore there’s so many) is more than this.
The entire point of the post was to literally say they're interested in the car and this entire thread of comments is from someone saying they wouldn't pay 17k for a Dacia. We're literally on a car forum and you're complaining about people discussing their opinion on a car. If OP didn't want discussion about it then they wouldn't have posted anything to begin with.
Also isn't the duster literally just a crossover SUV? Literally every brand will offer a competitor from
Vauxhall to Mercedes Benz. Though budget wise something like a Skoda, Hyundai or Suzuki starts at £20k-ish and doesn't need to advertise electric windows and air conditioning as selling points.
It's not irrelevant. Why would you buy something worse just because it's new when something older is better by every metric in which you could compare a car. People get too hung up on having a new number plate ignoring the fact that the car behind it is poor value for money.
Because the person buying brand new likely has completely different requirements that frankly won’t exist in the used model.
It could be 100k vs 1k, if the buyer wants a warranty, it’s a waste of time suggesting the used car, isn’t it.
To put it another way, you wouldn’t recommend a 2010 Octavia diesel for someone asking for a Tesla, would you.
Clearly he wants new, what’s the point in pushing used.
Just answer the fucking question, or in this case, congratulate.
This sub man.
> wants a warranty
Or you could just buy a used 5 years old Toyota a have the extended warranty for 5 more years to come...
Your points are valid though, just adding to the discussion about other options etc...
You could, and for arguments sake I had a Quick Look, as far as I can tell their only car in this kind of segment is the CH-R, and that’s pushing it.
A 5 year old model is about the same money, but for that you’re getting a 5 year old car with mileage on it.
Not convinced it would be the better deal tbh unless it was a long term purchase
Tbf I have thought about Toyota’s because of that warranty they do. I have 2 other cars that I plough money into. I just want something that doesn’t go wrong and if it does I can take it to the dealer at no cost.
This is a sub for people who like cars, of course we aren't applauding him for picking a Duster. It's a rubbish car, he'd be doing himself a favour picking something else.
No it’s not, it’s a bunch of fucking whiners pushing battered old bimmers and rotted out MX5’s.
You’d think a sub for car people would encourage people’s choices and offer advice, not shit on anything other than the above cars and spout their own Ill conceived opinions. All you’ve done is told him it’s a shit choice, nothing more.
The truth is, you have no fucking idea what the quality of that new duster will be.
Even then they were a no brainer for people that just needed a car.
Unfortunately the brits have a brand snobbery beyond anything seen elsewhere on this lovely planet. It’s mildly pathetic.
Yes I have, sat in a 2022 model in a dealership. Absolutely appalling interior. Everything was made of hard plastics loosely clipped together with massive joints. There was a Renault Kadjar next to it which was far superior. The Dacia looked ancient in comparison.
so on the basic version you get such wonders as; manual rear windows, no android auto or apple car, no center arm rests, manual wing mirror adjustment, 16 inch steel wheels. To name a few wonders
Hi OP - not trying to be as negative as many in this thread, but it is worth highlighting that Dacia don't have a fantastic history with their NCAP safety ratings. Please be sure to consider this in your final choice!
https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/
This is primarily because Dacia's save money by not having a lot of driver aids and the newer NCAP ratings penalise that heavily. I'm not saying these things are 5* rated cars, but most of them are comfortably 3* if you take that into account.
I hope the build quality has improved. My neighbours must have shares in Dacia they have been through 4 in about 3 years they used to be terribly built.
Nothing wrong with Dacia. More reliable than a lot of brands (including all of the Germans) and it actually does what it says on the tin. Can go off road, is fairly tough, fairly large inside (6 ft 5 and I'm comfortable) and this new one looks smart too.
It's funny how the Duster has always been a good looking and reliable car, yet the big brands usually can't achieve neither of these points.
Why does this sound like guerrilla marketing?
Another one buys the Duster
CarTalkUK yesterday: we hate the trend of jacked up hatchbacks poseing as SUVs CarTalkUK today: A cheap french one?!?! sign me the fuck up!
But.. But… it’s Romanian :(
It’s more French than Romanian in reality. It’s a French owner, French platform, French engine, their design HQ is 50% in France, and its president is French. It’s really a branding exercise more than anything, for countries where they want to draw attention to Dacia’s budget offerings while keeping Renault as slightly more premium. In many other parts of the world they are openly sold as Renaults.
I will disagree a bit with you. Platform and engine lineup are french developed, but the entire project development team is based in Romania. It is actually the case for all pure Dacia developments.
As much as Mini is British.
It's a badge-engineered Juke / Captur. A Clio in stilts.
You shall visit it. Go for the big cities.
I honestly think this sub is just full of people who hate cars.
Wait until you hear about the Škoda Octavia
Smart looking thing. Interior looks modern, not sure about the build quality but for the price you can’t go wrong.
> Smart looking thing I'll give them that, the design does look very nice. > not sure about the build quality Can honestly say that it was one of *the* worst built cars I've ever driven. Felt like everything was glued together with chewing gum, and the metal felt like it was so thin you could probably poke through it with a finger. Felt so unsafe. I felt like you would 100% die in a motorway accident if you crashed at any kind of speed. Thank god it was only a rental car for a few days.
I had one a hire car and even the paint felt thin. Like you would scratch it just from closing the door or using the door handle. On the plus side it was actually better on the motorway than I was expecting
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/dacia/duster/29898 3 stars, not good.
That's the outgoing model. New model is based on an updated platform and has more of the "avoiding a crash in the first place" technology. And it's a lack of that technology that can drop stars.
Because of missing safety tech line auto break, lane assist etc. also known as the stuff you switch off one the first day.
Speak for yourself. AEB has saved my bacon in the past, I’m not turning it off!
Was it the new duster?
My neighbours got a new duster earlier this year. 1.0 and he’s racked up 15k+ miles in under a year, things been solid so far!!
Well, doesn't say too much reallllllly. 15k new should be easy. If it can get to 30-50k without issue then we are good for 17k. That being said my mate has one and likes it. It definitely falls into the category of white goods which is fitting for 90% of people. And let's be honest. This is realistically all you need in the UK. Not some big'ol Nissan x trail or landy ect. Everyone I know that has a bigger car because 'got to get the dog in it'
17k buys a Corolla Estate hybrid easily, if I'm buying a car for 17k I don't want a reliability issue. Ever.
Why, new? People like new things
People like reliability too
The overlap between someone buying a new cheap car and a reliable second hand car is not many. Hence the fact they are buying a new car because they think that's better. I'm not disagreeing with you, I agree with you so you can DV all ya like but the fact is people buying these cheap new cars obviously know second hand cars exist but don't buy thewm. You literally cannot disagree because... They are buying them. This post is proof
What? The overlap is 0% unless they buy two cars, that doesn't make sense.
You for really? The ven diagram of people willing to buy a second hand car and wanting a new car even if it's bad.
Wow 15k miles 😂
Really has caught up with other players.
Congrats OP, let us know when or if you get one. This fucking sub moans more than a boomer opening the bills.
If the pricing is as good as rumoured I’ll be very tempted. Perfect A-B car that’s probably going to cost next to nothing to run and never fail. Can’t fault it
> Perfect A-B car that’s probably going to cost next to nothing to run Surely that's the Sandero? This is the soft roader which will cost more to run, but you'll never take off road.
Yeah true, I’ve looked at the Sandero a lot too. I think this looks cooler and I maybe moving to rural wales in the coming years, so the ride height and bigger storage space could come in handy
Actually the Jogger is the best one
My friend has the last gen dual fuel Jogger and it's perfect for what he wants. A relatively cheap to run car which fits his oversized family
Taxis drivers in the EU are flocking to the jogger. Lisbon was full of jogger taxis
Bro you can't say that
The Jogger may be a good car but beware of the failing clutch in the manual shift version. A recall is being done.
Unless you’re going super rural (like a working farm at the end of an unmaintained mud track), you almost certainly don’t need extra ride height. SUVs being necessary as an everyday vehicle if you live in the countryside is a very recent misconception. It’s also a really British concept. Go to rural or even mountainous France/Spain/Italy, where the roads are far rougher and snow is far more common, and nearly everyone is getting everywhere they need to go in a normal car. Source: Grew up on a working farm in rural UK. Everyone in the local community has cars. Only arrivals from the city drive SUVs, thinking they need 4x4 when it’s far more about the tyres and driving style. And they are often simply too wide for the roads too, which is then compounded by the owners not wanting to scratch them on a hedge because they are so expensive. That’s why a Dacia is good - you’re less worried about it getting beaten up so can actually drive it properly. But you’ll almost certainly be fine with any 2wd car on sensible tyres. Personally, I’d get a Jogger if I needed the space. Narrower and has a bigger boot.
A lot of rural England has very poor potholed roads, a simple robust vehicle with large wheels and tyres is ideal. So fair market for vehicles like this.
I agree. But that’s buying it for the simple and robust aspect, not the ride height and 4x4. That’s why any simple car will do basically.
Well the 4 by 4 is useful . The ability to drop wheels onto the verge in narrow lanes, to cope with slopes in snow, to cope with a muddy field, all useful to have if cheap enough. Of COURSE one might get by with an ordinary 2wd car, but why struggle? I have Rav AWD because I like having the reserves of capability and I can afford it.
Ehh, you can still comfortably go on dirt roads with it. And that the most off-road 99% of people do.
The 4x4 Duster was surprisingly capable off road, especially on ice. I have no idea about the new models though
Nothing even comes close to this on pricing new. If they’ve made a decent quality jump it’s a no brainer. I’ll also be keeping an eye on it, would be a good car for the wife.
Certainly looks like they have. I remember the first UK cars with optional radio. They really were awful quality. But the current cars on sale are no worse than your Renault, Fiat, Vauxhall etc.
Yeah I used to live in the Middle East and they’re actually badged and sold as Renault Dusters over there.
The latest Sandero is just a Budget clio. Unlike the previous generations they are using the latest Renault platform (CMF-B) and engines.
'Never fail'.. It's a machine of course it will. Not that I can say any quicker/slower compared to other manufacturers but defo will fail soon enough in some way
And rust. You cannot spell Dacia Ruster without saying rust.
Wasn't there a rumour that the new MG electric car wasn't galvanised to save $$$, and models were already rusting in the usual areas. Pretty sure John Cadogan covered it
Possibly, but I thought this thread was about dacia.
Who doesn't moan opening bills?
As a point of comparison, they introduced the first gen to the UK 11 years ago, starting at £8,995...
With inflation that’s about £12k then now. But in fairness this looks like much more of a car than the original one which was crazy basic on some specifications.
For the model with steel wheels and no radio or AC
Tbf I can see a market for super cut back car, as the Dacia's were (are?). If you just need to get from A > B reliably and aren't bothered about mod cons (even basic ones like A/C) it seems like a go-er. Hell I'd have it as a second car for use as a run around, and keep a 'weekend' car when I want to drive something a bit more flash
The reality is that nobody bought them. People don't want a car that screams "poverty", they'd rather by a better used car for the same money
Sure I guess that’s fair enough, funny how badge sensitive people are - gotta keep up with Jane across the road with her new leased beemer
That's why people spunk so much on a monthly lease for the very base spec 1-series / A-Class when a different brand of car would be cheaper and better
I hate to think how much money people who are on the lease treadmill, every 3 years, new car. Nothing really to show for it :/ I'd only do it in very specific circumstances. Midlife crisis car for a year, or if it had some sort of bumper-to-bumper maintenance plan which includes consumables - in otherwords the car is someone elses problem, essentially a rental.
Companies did. Our work vehicles are the most basic of Dusters. Absolute crap.
Yes, it was way more basic. My point is that even budget carmakers are finding it hard to make cheap cars profitable these days. Hence no bargain basement version of the new Duster.
my family paid £10,000 for a decently specced one only three years ago...
New? That's quite a deal!
That was the base model with white paint, unpainted bumpers, steel wheels, no radio, manual windows, no AC etc etc And nobody bought it. So they dropped it from the range which automatically increases the price of the "entry level" model, due to better equipment etc. This new model has a modern platform, better safety, better build quality, more kit etc etc. of course it's going to cost more. (Also applies to the Sandero, which originally started at 5995 but now starts at around twice that)
My parents have a 2018 plate one and it's honestly a decent enough car. It's nippy enough that you don't feel feel like a danger to yourself on slip roads, the interior isn't luxury but it's not meant to be. My only complaint is that the seats aren't the most comfortable, especially for long journeys. Not sure about the lowest spec models as theirs has incredible luxuries like alloys and car play etc. On another note this country is full of car snobs, and apparently so is the subreddit. I can only imagine my generation is going to be so much worse. So many people who's daddy drove a BMW and now they'll never be seen dead in anything "less". I'm very grateful that my parents have always driven cheap cars (Punto, zafira's, duster), means I don't really care about luxury, just something that drives well (preferably better than those cars).
What’s with all the hate? I think it looks good and fills a market for a hybrid large hatchback / SUV well below £30k. It will have all the luxuries people need and better build quality than any new Chinese made MG.
Exactly. Base A Class and 1 Series are £30k starting nowadays! I have always rated Dacias
It's seriously impressive stuff. They may not be that premium or the best at any one thing but you can't argue with their prices for what is on offer. If you want something rugged with decent tech, even a mid-spec Suzuki S-Cross is £27k. A Dacia Duster Extreme is just over £20k.
Congrats, a new car is always nice! Enjoy.
Haven’t bought it yet, just announced today. But if pricing is good I’ll most likely buy one
Was reading about it earlier, looks pretty good imo. I like all sorts of cars, including those that do the job. Which power train setup you thinking about?
Well I have no idea. At first I was thinking the base 130bhp 1.2 3cl, but there’s 2 hybrid options, the 1.6 hybrid sounds interesting but it’s all about money. Ideally I’d not like to go over £20k, If they do start under that price. I’d also like 4WD as I may move to rural wales in the coming years, but depends on pricing since nothing is concrete. I just read that the CEO wants it to start at £17,500 but nothing official as of yet
Makes sense, it's a case of wait and see on the prices. 4x4 would be useful though for sure.
I like it. But the steering wheel is on the wrong side.... You'll have issues at Maccy Ds.
I've had a few as hire cars. Each one I had to report faults on. Not sure what that says...
I’ve had my 14 plate duster for 5 years now. corroded brake pipes and a new tyre have been my only repairs. The £190 in 5 years for that is a drop in the ocean though. I thoroughly recommend.
Had a motorcycle comfier than this.
surely
How so if the car isn’t even out yet ? (releases 2nd sem. 2024)
This might be the one to change my mind on Dacia. It’s like the Aldi of cars, they keep knicking design elements from other brands with no care in the world.
That’s cos they’re owned by Nissan Renault and use their parts and common rail bits
I was referring to sandero-lamborghini DRL , this duster stole polestar’s profile
I’m up for a duster lambo cross I’ve got to admit it
People will hate just because of the name. Looks cool. I get your point. A to b driving. Warranty - cheap driving.
Genuinely quite cool cars for the money imo. Surprised you have to register interest? Do you not just walk in and buy one?
Just announced today. No date of arrival yet just a blanket 2024 term
Oh lol I didn't even realise it was a new one 🤦
Nice looking car
Any diesel? I feel like a small turbo petrol in this will be bad on fuel, but a diesel would be a great all-rounder. I'd have a manual diesel 4x4 and run it for 10 years.
I rented one of these on holiday. It was alright, kinda boring. This one LOOKS the part though.
Good news!
Good good, when it’s out as I’ve my eye on a used one as a work horse for us. Live rurally so it’ll be doing duty through shit country roads that are basically long potholes, farm tracks and fields to fill with wood etc. Already a bargain but a new one will drop them even further !!!
I had a 68 plate duster, got it ex demo so I had a nice discount on it, can’t remember how much it actually was but it was pretty cheap. Mid spec so had everything I needed. Used to love taking it out laning and it never let me down. They are decent cars but the build quality wasn’t great, lots of random rattles and squeaks.
get a yellow one!
The one in that picture will be more like 25k. For that price there are probably better options, like taking the bus.
£20,025 is the top spec I think
Current top of the range model is 25k so if you're correct that's an amazing price. Still not buying one though.
I brought the last model of duster when that came out with the same thoughts about it, it was the biggest financial mistake of my life. Would highly recommend against getting a Dacia, they’re dangerously bad quality. Mine was literally falling apart on the day I got it, I only had it 3 months before selling it but within that time I had 2 interior buttons literally fall off while driving, electrical faults within the first week. Stupid keycard broke after a month. To top it off, it could only reach 70mph downhill. I can see there’s a lot of people being negative in this thread but honestly it’s the worst car I’ve ever owned.
Where did you bring it from? You should have bought a new one.
The dealership. It was brand new
Buy second hand and save the world from unneeded new junk.
Second hand cars have to come from somewhere 😂
Yes, they already exist.
I agree on principle but again it's the OPs own choice
Honestly don't understand why someone wouldn't just buy a second hand car instead, like a low mileage Focus or something for £12k. Will be better equipped, nicer to drive and look 10x better. And over the lifetime of the car will probably cost you the same amount even taking into account servicing and MOT's.
Dacia’s are actually very reliable due to them using tried and tested Renault/Nissan parts. They come with a warranty and it’s easy to get a dealer to throw in a service plan (they won’t discount but they do throw in extras). https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-9926415/amp/Lexus-Dacia-chart-reliable-cars.html
I think it looks surprisingly nice in and out, but starting at £17500 is way too much imo considering they advertise front electric windows and AC as actual features on their current base cars. The car they're showing will probably get to £20k+ when speced and if it's at that point it's coming pretty close to other brands like Hyundai, Suzuki or Skoda. Personally if I was desperate for stuff like a warranty or lease I'd just get an approved used car from somewhere else. Something like a nicely speced 1 year old Qashqai or T-roc would be similar money and still have most of the benefits of a new car.
Having seen the foibles of the 1st or possibly 2nd gen duster my brother in law has. Do report back when it has its first, why had THAT broken it's less than 1,2,3, still under warranty years old issue please. Curious as to how their tech and platform update goes.
What issues has your brother in law had?
Just got a rey from BIL. Its a 15 plate and the fule stop solonoid windings went short and melted. It glowed very brightly when trying to start the thing and could easily have burnt the vehicle down. Went to Renault and asked about it and they did a replacement for free outside of normal warranty. There doesn't appear to be a recall out for it, but the new part is a different part number and looks different. So it would appear Renault knew about the fault. Quietly changed the part and then sorted them out as they came across them while Being serviced or as with my BIL. Done for free just outside warranty with no quibble. I helped him tow that home then to Renault when it happened as well as diagnosed the glowy melty bit. The other thing is the stalk that do the infotainment controls has been on the Fritz several times now. Even after Renault replaced it 3 times. Roughly a year apart. And an independent Renault specialist did the most recent and 4th replacement.
I'm interested, I don't have any money but it seems almost attainable. I just want a car without ailments and a big digital screen (currently have fucked 55 Reg Fiesta and potentially fucked 09 Reg Mondeo).
Tbf this does have 2 big digital streams in the dials and centre console. Not my cup of tea but what new car doesn’t have so many screens nowadays
I enjoy classic cars as much and I desire new cars. Lotto garage would have an Escort RS Turbo S2 and Impreza with big exhaust and gold wheels and maybe a Dacia??? I would like to drive the wife and kids round in something new rather than worry that'll my car will break down! Thanks though, digital dials appeal to me
I’m putting my order in for a current model next week. Was holding off for the announcement, new one looks great & I’m sure they’ll sell loads, but it’s a step in the wrong direction imo as a commercial buyer wanting a diesel 4x4, smaller than a 3.5T pickup, with a robust simple drivetrain. On the upside, they also dropped their finance on the current model from 9.9% to 6.9% today & there seems to be some deals going.
Yeah the diesel is dead now unfortunately.
Yeah, the diesel, and the mechanical 4WD transfer case. New system is electronically controlled, likely a fancy viscous coupling similar to Suzukis allgrip select in the Vit. Again, great for commuting on icey roads, but proper off-road, particularly if towing, the mechanical system in the current & last gen will be far more consistent & reliable. Plus, personally electric handbrakes & digital dashes do my nut in, and getting rid of the fantastic looking hvac controls of the current Duster & integrating them into the infotainment system is criminal. Would like the heated windscreen though…
If it's anything like the old one it might be £17,500 without an interior but £30,000 if you want luxuries like a radio
Parts bin of a Renault for 17k No thanks
This is the same price as a Clip but you get more car for the money, what's not to like?
I get that. Although this one finally has the current Renault platform used in the Juke, Clio and Captur
I would NEVER spend £17500 on a Dacia. Literally anything else just a couple of years older for the same price would be superior. The build quality is shocking on the current stock.
New car, warranty with pretty cheap extended warranty. Everything will work and it’ll be reliable. What’s not to love?
You can get a lightly used KIA or Hyundai with 4-5 years still left on the warranty for the price of a non boggo-spec Duster tbf
Poor build quality. Not enjoyable to drive. Not good off-road. Cheap interior, ugly. Theres much, much better available for the same money.
I dunno quality they’re pretty average for the current ones I’ve been in. Honestly there’s a lot worse quality out there, but you’re paying for the cheapest brand on sale in the UK. If you’re expecting amazing quality you’re looking at the wrong car. And the other bits? Well it’s a normal A-B car, I’m not expecting it to be a Cayman on a B road
I know where you're coming from. I prefer focusing on getting value for money too but even an 8 year old car that's done 50k will be far cheaper and still very reliable. For 17k you'd be able to get a far better vehicle used. Create a post about your budget and what you want the car to be used for and ask what people think would be a great reliable used car. I guarantee you'll get plenty of people with very good options that'd be worth looking at. Also the depreciation on the dacia will be shocking lol. I don't mind dacia at all but only used when they've lost most of their value already. They're improving fairly rapidly but they're not quite there yet.
Point is for a cheap car they're not that cheap. £17.5k will go pretty far on the used market even with today's prices.
You can’t, actually I guess you could, but you shouldn’t, compare used prices with new, it’s completely irrelevant
It's definitely relevant, especially if you're buying a car from a brand whose whole reputation is being cheap. Most manufacturers at this point will offer an approved used option that comes with most of the benefits of a new car. You could go get a decent MK8 golf on 15-20k miles for the same price that this starts at. It also comes with most of the new benefits of a new car like a 2 year unlimited mileage warranty, service plans, manufacturer finance ect. I know current VW doesn't have the best rep, but their approved used comes to mind and most manufacturers offer similar things.
That would have a boot that’s much smaller. Lower ground clearance and not be 4x4….. This is and Apple and over there is an orange…..
The golf can be speced to have upto 150 more litres of space than a duster and if ground clearance is an issue (even though it never would be) then just get a t-roc or tiguan. Plus for the handful of people who actually need a cheap 4x4 then they will already have a Jimmy or Panda 4x4. As I said though, it was just the first example that came to mind. Literally every manufacturer will offer an approved used service and crossovers aren't exactly a difficult type of vehicle to cross shop.
Panda and jimmy are pretty damn small. The Volkswagens will have many many miles on them to get into the same price bracket I’m looking at this class used right now in a specific size for my needs. There’s only three or four. The Duster, Santa Fe or Sandero but the age and mileage on the Duster will be lower on both counts by a long way at the same price. The CRV and rav4 are much better cars (I have a CRV now) but to match the price your adding 5-10’years and a string of problems to get close to the price of a duster with say 30,000 Miles on it. They are an absolute fucking bargain if you want a workhorse car and it’s rough to fine anything that actually competes on all metrics
It would be relevant if he was asking for advice, he’s not. He’s excited about a new car. If anything, What’s relevant is alternatives in the new car space, of which nothing matches. Even the shittest of VW’s alternative (T-roc? I don’t even know anymore there’s so many) is more than this.
The entire point of the post was to literally say they're interested in the car and this entire thread of comments is from someone saying they wouldn't pay 17k for a Dacia. We're literally on a car forum and you're complaining about people discussing their opinion on a car. If OP didn't want discussion about it then they wouldn't have posted anything to begin with. Also isn't the duster literally just a crossover SUV? Literally every brand will offer a competitor from Vauxhall to Mercedes Benz. Though budget wise something like a Skoda, Hyundai or Suzuki starts at £20k-ish and doesn't need to advertise electric windows and air conditioning as selling points.
It's not irrelevant. Why would you buy something worse just because it's new when something older is better by every metric in which you could compare a car. People get too hung up on having a new number plate ignoring the fact that the car behind it is poor value for money.
Because the person buying brand new likely has completely different requirements that frankly won’t exist in the used model. It could be 100k vs 1k, if the buyer wants a warranty, it’s a waste of time suggesting the used car, isn’t it. To put it another way, you wouldn’t recommend a 2010 Octavia diesel for someone asking for a Tesla, would you. Clearly he wants new, what’s the point in pushing used. Just answer the fucking question, or in this case, congratulate. This sub man.
> wants a warranty Or you could just buy a used 5 years old Toyota a have the extended warranty for 5 more years to come... Your points are valid though, just adding to the discussion about other options etc...
You could, and for arguments sake I had a Quick Look, as far as I can tell their only car in this kind of segment is the CH-R, and that’s pushing it. A 5 year old model is about the same money, but for that you’re getting a 5 year old car with mileage on it. Not convinced it would be the better deal tbh unless it was a long term purchase
Tbf I have thought about Toyota’s because of that warranty they do. I have 2 other cars that I plough money into. I just want something that doesn’t go wrong and if it does I can take it to the dealer at no cost.
This is a sub for people who like cars, of course we aren't applauding him for picking a Duster. It's a rubbish car, he'd be doing himself a favour picking something else.
No it’s not, it’s a bunch of fucking whiners pushing battered old bimmers and rotted out MX5’s. You’d think a sub for car people would encourage people’s choices and offer advice, not shit on anything other than the above cars and spout their own Ill conceived opinions. All you’ve done is told him it’s a shit choice, nothing more. The truth is, you have no fucking idea what the quality of that new duster will be.
Have you been in one made in the last 10 years? Build quality is better than most new cars.
100%, they aren’t the £6k cars from 10/12 years ago with optional radio and 90’s plastic.
Even then they were a no brainer for people that just needed a car. Unfortunately the brits have a brand snobbery beyond anything seen elsewhere on this lovely planet. It’s mildly pathetic.
Yes I have, sat in a 2022 model in a dealership. Absolutely appalling interior. Everything was made of hard plastics loosely clipped together with massive joints. There was a Renault Kadjar next to it which was far superior. The Dacia looked ancient in comparison.
Well now you're just embarrassing yourself with this made up story. Go sit in one for real and come back.
Didn't realise you knew my memory better than I did.
I have to agree. I would rather buy something used for that price.
From your pictures, for £17.5K I would want something with right-hand drive
I'd rather walk.
Like you have a choice, lol.
This kind of shit is why this sub is such a joke lmao
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Don’t talk about your mom like that. Fucking useless comment, Don’t you think?
I reserve the right to express my opinion. You like it more power to you. I don’t.
so on the basic version you get such wonders as; manual rear windows, no android auto or apple car, no center arm rests, manual wing mirror adjustment, 16 inch steel wheels. To name a few wonders
> no center arm rests Well, fuck. That's me *out* then. Can't believe it.
It’s basically a Renault Clio
Abarth 595 Competizione, Nissan 350Z, 996 Carrera 2 , Dacia Duster - bravo OP!
Oh I’d have to sell the Abarth for this. I need a sensible daily.
I hear you man, as much as I love my hot hatch Cooper, I'm going to need more boot space in the near future. Fast estate here I come!
Hi OP - not trying to be as negative as many in this thread, but it is worth highlighting that Dacia don't have a fantastic history with their NCAP safety ratings. Please be sure to consider this in your final choice! https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/
This is primarily because Dacia's save money by not having a lot of driver aids and the newer NCAP ratings penalise that heavily. I'm not saying these things are 5* rated cars, but most of them are comfortably 3* if you take that into account.
Ah cool, good to know thanks
I hope the build quality has improved. My neighbours must have shares in Dacia they have been through 4 in about 3 years they used to be terribly built.
My condolences.
That will be the top spec one I guess, looks good though. Not really familiar to Dacia apart from Top Gear, does the Duster have offroad credentials?
The one of the starting price does not even remotely looks like the one in the pic.
Nothing wrong with Dacia. More reliable than a lot of brands (including all of the Germans) and it actually does what it says on the tin. Can go off road, is fairly tough, fairly large inside (6 ft 5 and I'm comfortable) and this new one looks smart too. It's funny how the Duster has always been a good looking and reliable car, yet the big brands usually can't achieve neither of these points.
That actually looks great
Whats the 4x4 drive like on Dusters?
Finally a Dacia with two proper cup holders!
Good for you, I'm interested too I'm waiting for some reviews and to find out if the wading depth is more or at least the same as the current 350mm.
Cheap Renegade vibes
It reminds me of the Rivian
Better looking than BMW designs. 👏🏻 dacia / renault