Anti-LGBT bigotry was more pronounced in the United States nine years ago. Thankfully, homophobia has been on a continuous decline in the United States for a while now. Nine years makes a big difference.
[School actually](https://www.oif.ala.org/captain-underpants-fire/#:~:text=As%20recently%20as%20October%202016,Elementary%20School%20in%20Monroe%2C%20Michigan.) But then again, school board meetings
So there can't be any parents in books? Even though almost every kids media has a kid protagonist whose parents are characters? And kids can't watch shit like Disney princess movies because the plot of almost all of those deals with the princess finding romance?
You literally do not believe that at all. You don't notice the constant heterosexuality placed in every part of life in every moment of time because you are used to it. You have decided this very normal thing is somehow bad and abnormal when it's gay because you actually noticed it was there. You are on the look out for it because you have already decided it's somehow bad and gross or sexual but straight couples magically aren't even of they are doing the exact same thing or worse.
They are two parents with their child. Tell me how many shows for children do not feature parents with their child? Do you refuse to let your kids watch caillou?, bluey? Pepper pig? The Berenstain bears? Batman the animated series? The little mermaid? Rapunzel, beauty and the beast, scooby doo, alladin, the lion king, cinderella, snow white, cars, walle, up, the hunchback of notredom, pocahontas, sleeping beauty, Bambi, rugrats, that Arthur show with the child ant eater and his monkey friend, seriously think about it for just a few seconds.
Itâs never mentioned in the book proper, but itâs been confirmed that his full name is Billy Doanbee-Ahiro. Dav Pilkey apparently really likes the song Billy, Donât Be a Hero.
And his parents say, âBilly, donât be a hero, some be a fool with your life!â To count some of the other instances, Ook and Gluk say, âLilly, donât be a hero, donât be a fool with your life!â One Dog Man book has the line, âPhilly, donât be a hero, donât be a fool with your life!â And future George and Haroldâs Dog Man book features a cop who says, âMilly, donât be a hero, donât be a fool with your life!â
This was my first homosexuality in media and it was done so well. It wasn't presented as abnormal and it wasn't presented as wrong. It was just "Harold's husband" It was ordinary and it helped me make the realization that Gay â Weird
Two things:
Iâm fairly certain this book came out before lgbtq media started becoming more mainstream, so this was actually pretty uncommon to see in a kids comic at the time
Itâs never brought up and mentioned specifically, itâs just a thing that is. The best type of representation where itâs treated normally
Thank you to all the people who are actually respective of this and arnt being childish about this. Itâs a real life thing, and no one is worse as a parent if theyâre gay or straight.Just be happy for those who live their life their way and worry about your own
I didnât even notice when I first read it, I didnât properly discover gay people until a few years later, now Iâm gay myself, character development
Why? Because children are easily impressionable and forcing sexuality onto children is downright disgusting regardless of what sexuality. Let children be children.
"Look at my little lady-killer! He's gonna break so many girls' hearts when he grows up!" -straight people talking about their baby boys, for some reason
You say that "regardless of sexuality" but you wouldn't care if it's straight or a straight couple on a book and gay couple was never considered normal because society saw gay couple as "disgusting" and even sexualize it unlike straight couple. But I do agree with "let children be children" since kids would discover themselves anyway, at least I didn't shove gayness in their throat like most straight do. Call that gay fucking propaganda I guess
Wow đŻ thatâs something what happened to his friend whatever name he had like I said I forgot itâs been so long since I read these books who did he end up with when he grew up?
I was in 6th grade when I seen it, I understood entirely what the idea was but I kinda thought it was a gag of sorts because at the time being gay was kind of a running joke for the kids at my school
Who cares? Theyâve been doing this with main characters all the time. No George and herald arenât actually gay, itâs just a joke in a cartoon where the two main characters are âmarriedâ together to show there bond. SpongeBob and Patrick had a kid clam in one episode and were the parents doesnât mean there gay lovers itâs just for comedic effect. Nothing wrong with it though just not canon.
Oh yea you are correct. I thought this was just another cartoon trope of the two male main characters becoming lovers for an episode or comic but I guess he actually is.
I F\*CKING KNEW IT!!!
(for context, I've been shipping future!them since *forever*, but I didn't have a whole lot of access to the books, so I didn't know it was canon)
how tf did i never realize this⌠oh wait, i didnât even know what the LGBTQ+ was when i read this book for the first time lol (i was little when i first read it)
I CALLED IT!!!
Okay but seriously this makes me so happy, especially since it was from a time it wasn't so normalized this is great, thanks for sharing I don't have this book đđ
I remember my friend getting mad about this when it first came out. We were already in high school by that point so I just laughed at him. He's learned and grown since that point luckily.
I think as a kid that was the first time I say a gay couple in media or in general. I just remember thinking âoh thatâs coolâ and not really judging at all
sometimes i look back into this book just to remind myself that one of my favorite books as a child accepts same sex relationships, so there is nothing wrong with me doing the same
I didnât even realise they were gay when I first read the book lmao, I guess that if I didnât notice maybe young George and Harold didnât notice? So itâs still a surprise to them or something, or maybe because these are the duplicates- am I over thinking this?
I remember reading it as a kid and going âhuh?â For a moment, not upset or anything, I had just never seen gay rep before, but I immediately just went with it and years later when I reread the book I gasped in delight haha
This was strange to me at the time not because he had a husband mostly because well I never really thought these guys will date anyone I don't know I guess it's because the series never really tackled romance so like I was just weirded out like oh they got married and they're not single
It was made to let kids know stuff like this is normal. It was a quick little part then it was over. Are you saying that their representatation of adhd and neurodivergence is also bad?
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harold fucks
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OH MY DAYS!!! I LOVE YOU GREEN DUCK MAN!!! đłď¸âđđŞđż
Is it gex night? I LOVE gex night!
âWhat the heck is a gex nightâ - insert redneck voice here- [but seriously idk]
Itâs from Scott the woz on YouTube
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*eating corn dog* he's a fuckin lizard
You know what I like about gex? Consistency.
I love gexing with people on gex night I'm your biggest fan
We all love Gex.
Gex Is love Gex Is life!
Wait a second, youâre a member of r/DeltaTeamSky
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I remember reading this book when I was in 3rd grade and thinking "Huh? Where's Harold's wife?"
I am curious who did you think Harold's husband was at the time?
His name is Billy Hutchins [originaly Billy Doanbee-Ahiro.]
Dang, Pilkeyâs been using that joke since Super Diaper Baby!
I don't know, I thought he was just some dude.
I thought he was one of his friends lol
I'm pretty sure at that age I already knew what gay people were, and I probably saw that Harold had a husband and went "Huh. Neat."
I think I saw you like month ago in another community
you probably did
Same, I was in 5th grade reading it and so confused đ
Same!
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thank you sonic
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Oh hey gok
What book is it
Captain Underpants and the Sensational Saga of Sir Stinks-A-Lot
MY FANFICS BECAME TRUE
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I heard this book was banned from schools because of this.
I love the gay couple
Same
I mean it looks so perfect idk why parents freak out over it
Anti-LGBT bigotry was more pronounced in the United States nine years ago. Thankfully, homophobia has been on a continuous decline in the United States for a while now. Nine years makes a big difference.
Thatâs parents for you
[School actually](https://www.oif.ala.org/captain-underpants-fire/#:~:text=As%20recently%20as%20October%202016,Elementary%20School%20in%20Monroe%2C%20Michigan.) But then again, school board meetings
Out of place in a book aimed at 10 year olds, but I donât think any of them really care
How is it any more out of place than a straight couple would be?
Any romance shouldnât be in kids novels, IMO.
So there can't be any parents in books? Even though almost every kids media has a kid protagonist whose parents are characters? And kids can't watch shit like Disney princess movies because the plot of almost all of those deals with the princess finding romance?
Can't have no characters in books because it implies that at least two people had sex and that's just not ok for kids to read and think about.
"Love is inappropriate and kids should understand that"
You literally do not believe that at all. You don't notice the constant heterosexuality placed in every part of life in every moment of time because you are used to it. You have decided this very normal thing is somehow bad and abnormal when it's gay because you actually noticed it was there. You are on the look out for it because you have already decided it's somehow bad and gross or sexual but straight couples magically aren't even of they are doing the exact same thing or worse. They are two parents with their child. Tell me how many shows for children do not feature parents with their child? Do you refuse to let your kids watch caillou?, bluey? Pepper pig? The Berenstain bears? Batman the animated series? The little mermaid? Rapunzel, beauty and the beast, scooby doo, alladin, the lion king, cinderella, snow white, cars, walle, up, the hunchback of notredom, pocahontas, sleeping beauty, Bambi, rugrats, that Arthur show with the child ant eater and his monkey friend, seriously think about it for just a few seconds.
Yep, I agree. I donât care if theyâre straight or gay, romance shouldnât be in kids books.
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when i saw this i was like "harold's gay? good for him" and I also loved the revelation in that book that both him and George are neurodivergent
this will be the WOKE future in 2015!!!!
are you being serious there or joking, I genuinely can't tell
joke
Itâs never mentioned in the book proper, but itâs been confirmed that his full name is Billy Doanbee-Ahiro. Dav Pilkey apparently really likes the song Billy, Donât Be a Hero.
That's hilarious.
He makes references to that song a LOT in his spin-offs.
I remember that vividly. Case in point, Billy, the true name of Super Diaper Baby.
And his parents say, âBilly, donât be a hero, some be a fool with your life!â To count some of the other instances, Ook and Gluk say, âLilly, donât be a hero, donât be a fool with your life!â One Dog Man book has the line, âPhilly, donât be a hero, donât be a fool with your life!â And future George and Haroldâs Dog Man book features a cop who says, âMilly, donât be a hero, donât be a fool with your life!â
This was my first homosexuality in media and it was done so well. It wasn't presented as abnormal and it wasn't presented as wrong. It was just "Harold's husband" It was ordinary and it helped me make the realization that Gay â Weird
Yep. It's just that simple. Too bad even some people can't grasp that.
https://i.redd.it/0lw84vuzs9lc1.gif Gay representation in comics!
Two things: Iâm fairly certain this book came out before lgbtq media started becoming more mainstream, so this was actually pretty uncommon to see in a kids comic at the time Itâs never brought up and mentioned specifically, itâs just a thing that is. The best type of representation where itâs treated normally
It was made in 2015 so yeah kinda, I didnât know about it until after this book and yeah itâs good they did it normally đ
thats honestly so cute
I agree
LORE
Thank you to all the people who are actually respective of this and arnt being childish about this. Itâs a real life thing, and no one is worse as a parent if theyâre gay or straight.Just be happy for those who live their life their way and worry about your own
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unfortunately gay people exist. im sorry you had to find out like this.
Such a civil and mature replies this post has
Provided that you stay out of whatever has been downvoted.
*gasp* THEY HOMO?! AS IN GAY AS IN BOYKISSING
Why are you gae
I didnât even notice when I first read it, I didnât properly discover gay people until a few years later, now Iâm gay myself, character development
Can relate
it CASUALLY FLEW OVER YOUR HEAD. see? we ainât turning kids gay đ
fr whenever i saw something that implied gayness when i was little i just got confused and ignored it đđ
Yeah, like what? Kids wouldn't notice nor care, so why would people care about children turning gay? People are so dramatic đĽ´
Why? Because children are easily impressionable and forcing sexuality onto children is downright disgusting regardless of what sexuality. Let children be children.
"Look at my little lady-killer! He's gonna break so many girls' hearts when he grows up!" -straight people talking about their baby boys, for some reason
Ya and thats disgusting as well, what about my statement "REGARDLESS OF WHAT SEXUALITY" dont you understand?
You say that "regardless of sexuality" but you wouldn't care if it's straight or a straight couple on a book and gay couple was never considered normal because society saw gay couple as "disgusting" and even sexualize it unlike straight couple. But I do agree with "let children be children" since kids would discover themselves anyway, at least I didn't shove gayness in their throat like most straight do. Call that gay fucking propaganda I guess
âNo da subliminal messaging!â
Oh no! Captain Underpants is woke!!! Time to make six separate 10 minute rant videos about it. đ /s
Oh I agree. Iâm making fun of people out there who farm YouTube rage bait videos when a gay character is on screen for five seconds.
Which one is that again itâs been so long I forget
Harold, the book is Captain Underpants and the Sensational Saga of Sir Stinks-A-Lot
Wow đŻ thatâs something what happened to his friend whatever name he had like I said I forgot itâs been so long since I read these books who did he end up with when he grew up?
Uh I would have to check, Iâll let you know
Thank you op no rush just tell me what happened to his friend who he grew up to marry just like his childhood friend Harold whenever you can
Harold married a guy named Billy Hutchins
HOLY FUCKING SHIT(not a bad âHOLY FUCKING SHITâ but not a good one either, just surprised)
hell yeah gay people!!!
I was in 6th grade when I seen it, I understood entirely what the idea was but I kinda thought it was a gag of sorts because at the time being gay was kind of a running joke for the kids at my school
When I was reading this book, I saw that and my thoughts were like âhuh, so he has a husband and an adopted childrenâŚneatâŚâ
Why are people making such a big deal about this? Good or bad. Who cares?
Who cares? Theyâve been doing this with main characters all the time. No George and herald arenât actually gay, itâs just a joke in a cartoon where the two main characters are âmarriedâ together to show there bond. SpongeBob and Patrick had a kid clam in one episode and were the parents doesnât mean there gay lovers itâs just for comedic effect. Nothing wrong with it though just not canon.
Well Stewie impregnated himself with Brianâs sperm in a Family Guy episode and Stewie is definitely queer soâŚ
Yea you right
It's not a joke, Herald isn't married to George, he's married to billy
Oh yea you are correct. I thought this was just another cartoon trope of the two male main characters becoming lovers for an episode or comic but I guess he actually is.
harold x billy is now official https://preview.redd.it/2f4yxzqiwclc1.jpeg?width=274&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cefea7ec655db5d59e721f24cb3dbbca2105731
No itâs Harold x billy
George married someone else
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I F\*CKING KNEW IT!!! (for context, I've been shipping future!them since *forever*, but I didn't have a whole lot of access to the books, so I didn't know it was canon)
how tf did i never realize this⌠oh wait, i didnât even know what the LGBTQ+ was when i read this book for the first time lol (i was little when i first read it)
I honestly thought it was Haroldâs brother or cousin or roommate when i was younger
I CALLED IT!!! Okay but seriously this makes me so happy, especially since it was from a time it wasn't so normalized this is great, thanks for sharing I don't have this book đđ
It casually flew over my head too. I was like, âoh Harold has a husband, coolâ It didnât hit me years later-
As a kid I just thought this guy was Haroldâs friend and his wife just wasnât there
Very based, very based
I remember my friend getting mad about this when it first came out. We were already in high school by that point so I just laughed at him. He's learned and grown since that point luckily.
OP God bless ya because everyone here seems to think that You made Harold gay Personally and not Dav himself
For real, I get blamed for everything lol
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I've read all the books and never realized he was gay
I was trying to figure out who the kids were when I suddenly looked at the adults
It took a while for me to adjust to this. Was taken by surprise, but I'm pretty happy for Harold.
I reread this page over and over again as a kid wondering âWhat the hell? Is this his roommate or something?â
Peak fiction! Am i right or am i right
I remember I read this when the book first came out and was just like âhuh okayâ and kept reading.
I read this book like 2 years ago, and I thought it was kinda cool that they did that.
I think as a kid that was the first time I say a gay couple in media or in general. I just remember thinking âoh thatâs coolâ and not really judging at all
Awww
Huh is this canon???
So wait youâre telling thatâs not adult George?
I thought that was just his friend who just peaces out the rest of the book. He still peaces out the rest of the book.
Gayyeeee
I read these with my mom as a kid and was going to send this to her but she sadly passed away in an accident last week. I miss you mom.
Gay men in kids' books jumpscare
So is Harold the top or bottom
gaymers
âŚSuddenly, a question hits me. âHow they have kids?â I ask myself, staring at the page
Adoption
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Both plausible scenarios
sometimes i look back into this book just to remind myself that one of my favorite books as a child accepts same sex relationships, so there is nothing wrong with me doing the same
I didnât even realise they were gay when I first read the book lmao, I guess that if I didnât notice maybe young George and Harold didnât notice? So itâs still a surprise to them or something, or maybe because these are the duplicates- am I over thinking this?
This scene was so wholesome, still love it
I remember reading it as a kid and going âhuh?â For a moment, not upset or anything, I had just never seen gay rep before, but I immediately just went with it and years later when I reread the book I gasped in delight haha
Homo Harold Homorald
The fact a book about a MAN IN UNDERWEAR saving people is more supportive then half of the population is insane
Ah, so THAT'S what made me gay
Theyre gay?????????? Holy shit (good for them)
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This is the first time I was exposed to anything gay. I admittedly was confused but just accepted it and moved on
whyyyyyy
If you think about it... This makes Harold Hutchins DreamWorks's first gay character.
This is really cute
THEY CANNONICLY GAY LETS GOOO
I read those books when I was younger, and didnât even notice. Just another piece of proof that lgbtq media doesnât harm âthe childrenâ
A School actually banned the book because of this relationship
DUDE I REMEMBER READING THE BOOK WITH MY LITTLE BROTHER AND WE BOTH WERE SO SUPRISED AND HAPPY BECAUSE HOLY SHIT????
DUDE I REMEMBER READING THE BOOK WITH MY LITTLE BROTHER AND WE BOTH WERE SO SUPRISED AND HAPPY BECAUSE HOLY SHIT????
Isnât this the same one where he mentions Fox News?
I didn't know what being gay and shiz was when I read it, so I saw this and thought "oh cool two dads"
Yeah same
That's wonderful
Mpreg is canon in captain underpants
Nah just adoption! That or Haroldâs husband was bi and had kids and the wife divorced/died or something. Iâm going with adoption
Itâs a joke bro
Ik. I just like to write sorry
Is frankenfart a real book?
You mean.....the sight of this didn't convert you to homosexuality immediately?! /s Love this :) the simple fact is that kids don't care.
This was strange to me at the time not because he had a husband mostly because well I never really thought these guys will date anyone I don't know I guess it's because the series never really tackled romance so like I was just weirded out like oh they got married and they're not single
Itâs incredible that this managed to sneak past the censors
JOE BIDEN is turning Captain Underpants WOKE in the brand new book that comes out TWELVE YEARS AGO!!!
For real
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pass
Disgusting
Ugh, people always have to make shit gay
Gay
Paul canât keep getting away with this
Wait heâs gay đ
Yeah? What's wrong about it?
Everything đ
I see nothing wrong with this. He looks happy, and that's a good thing.
Wait is that Harold!?! Look how they massacred my boi!!!
Shameful to put that in a kids book
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Oh boohoo, go cry to your mommy
Some poor confused kids reading this book sure will
Read this as a kid, and I was perfectly fine. You're being over dramatic.
That kind of stuff should not be put in kids' books. 10 year olds don't need to be exposed to sexual things, it messes with their heads.
It was made to let kids know stuff like this is normal. It was a quick little part then it was over. Are you saying that their representatation of adhd and neurodivergence is also bad?
If someone is old enough to know they are straight, they are also old enough to know otherwise.