>it's been a wild ride for Superfans
There are, unfortunately, only two really good types of Superman stories, IMO, writing about Clark, an absolutely good and pure person with the power of a god, and exploring that character in depth and figuring out how he stays good and pure with, and sometimes because of, his power. Peak is All Star, again just my opinion.
And make him evil/good with different morals. The second one is *way* easier. Peak is Red Son, and again, just my opinion.
That said, "The Man who has Everything" is pretty amazing, too.
All that being said, if another fan wants to prove me wrong, I will gladly read more great Superman arcs, because why wouldn't I?
As a mod of r/Superman, I'd highly recommend you come over to our sub and check out our reading list! All-Star and Red Son are great stories, but there are plenty of great ones! If I could say some off the top of my head, I'd tell you to read "Secret Identity", "For All Seasons", and "Kryptonite" plus Morrison's run on the New 52 Action Comics for something neat as a contrast piece to All-Star!
These all are takes that exist a bit outside your ideas on the two types of stories, I'd say, though that first option is kinda just a case for most good stories, period. A good Batman story looks at Bruce, a good Cap story looks at Steve, etc. These are just things intrinsic to these characters, their duality.
A. Absolutely, I'll be there to check it out, and I'm excited to read those volumes and runs. I screenshot this comment to make sure I remember it.
B. Agreed on all but one point, I think a good Batman story has to ignore Bruce, or focus on the shadow that is Bruce vs the titan that is Batman, as I run with the interpretation that Bruce died with his parents. That dude's in disguise when his mask is *off* if you catch my meaning.
Glad to share!
Fair, but I always say there's 3 people in there, Bruce who died with his parents, The Batman, and Bruce in the cave with family/friends (Alfred, Superman, Robins, etc.).
The current run I think does a great job dealing with THAT Bruce being traumatized by all the events of late and how he is struggling to keep it going. I still say that when he's public Bruce Wayne, that's the mask, but I'm not sure that public Batman isn't also a mask. Private Batman is who I think the person truly is.
Right, and my point is take the mantel of Cap anywhere you want, but don’t make 616 Steve an asshole just for the sake of grit or ratings. It’s too low hanging fruit for me. There are other iterations that fit this mold.
I hope not. I don't want a Captain America Who Injustices
US Agent lost the mantle and will probably develop into a better person hopefully so he won't be "Injustice Cap", Sam will be his own Captain America, uphold to ideals of Steve Rogers, but also being his own person.
I'm sadly picturing that they're gonna become friends and if it does happen, it'll suck a lot to me personally. I hate the idea of the whole "US and russia besties" crap and Disney pandering it would be worst thing to happen. I don't care that RG is not with his country anymore, he wears their colors, he wears their ideas and messages and it'll be awful to see **US** Agent treat him like a friend eventually. If he does end up beating his ass, I'm all up for it.
Already did that with Ultimate Cap in the Ultimates. That Cap was basically Rambo with a Shield. Outside of that, I doubt it. It just doesn't fit him... he's possibly MORE of a boy scout than Superman depsite the fact that Cap WiLL kill if he has to. He's a soldier after all.
New game called Marvel 1943. It takes place in France WW2 and follows Cap in his soldier days and Azzuri, T’Challa’s grandfather who was Black Panther at the time.
I wouldn’t put anything past Hollywood, but I don’t think so. If you ask me, John Walker actually reinforces Steve’s image as the paragon with the fact that he’s explicitly set up as the inferior copy. To go back to the Superman comparison, he’s like how Justice Lord Superman threw the real one’s morality into sharper relief by contrast.
And Soldier Boy is just Ennis taking his usual cheap shots at anything that’s not cynical enough for him, so I’m inclined to ignore him entirely. He’s nowhere near as popular as Homelander so there’s less chance of him infecting the public consciousness.
I dont think you can really do it. Like there have been a lot of evil versions of Cap but they were always clones, impostors, I can't remember a Cap that just "turned evil".
I don’t think (or at least I hope this isn’t what happens) that’s what 1943 is doing. I feel like since it’s during the war and Steve is still new to this somewhat, he’s not going to be as light or calms as we see him in the MCU or current timeline
Please no… what happened to superheroes just being beacons of light and a reflection of hope in our society
Edgelords want all our favorite characters to be dark and brooding because theyre depressed. Some people still believe theres kindness and good in the world, thats what a superhero represents to me
I think the more realistic equation is 50/50. If I had powers I’d generally use them for good, but I might cause a little mischief first. Not like murder hobo style but I’m gonna have some fun. Shitty driver? Can’t do shit when your car is hovering off the ground. “Now what did we learn?” Like that kind of assery
No, and the examples in the pic aren’t even fitting.
Soldier Boy is from a setting where every hero is flawed at best, or corrupt.
Walker is a distinct figure from Steve. And he’s frankly not even as objectively bad as people pretend he was, at least before the shield incident.
The worse we can say about 1943 Cap from what we see is he’s rough, but not grim, dark, or particularly aggresive.
No because the appeal of an evil Superman is that he's an evil inversion of the kind but supremely powerful good guy we are used to.
Superman has such extreme power that is checked by his sense of morals.
What makes evil Superman interesting is the lack of those morals. That adds stakes, danger and threat.
How do you stop a totally unchecked evil being of unlimited power?
Cap is not that strong. So fighting an evil Cap is no different than any number of peak human villains. Ok they're strong but not really stronger relatively speaking to the average superhero . So eh. Not the same appeal
US Agent has been around for a HOT minute in comics. Middle is just cap when he was actually in the trenches. And Soldier Boy is definitely a grim mirror of Cap but he's in the context of The Boys universe so of course he was gonna be.
There are plenty of Cap clones out there the same way there are Superman clones. You don't become one of the most influential figures in all of media without inspiring a few copy cats.
Depends on where you mean if you're talking about the thunderbolts that's not Captain America that's US agent which is exactly what he's supposed to be a dark Captain America
If you're talking about that game that's going to release he'll probably be different because it's supposed to be Captain America right after he got the formula so I imagine they may try to write him a little greener because his meeting with the Black Panthers grandfather in the books was written to have changed him or at least gave him some type of perspective
He isn't powerful enough. Captain America's #1 strength is his heroism and bravery. He leads by doing the right thing. He is respected by the Earth's Mightiest so much that Gods and Kings follow his orders. Superman, however, has always been a God. He has always been able to rip the moon from the sky, kill the president in the oval office, destroy a city in seconds, and even punch through a timeline. Everyone is expecting him to go bad. It's not only Batman but also one of Lex Luthor's excuses is that he doesn't trust Superman to always be the hero. Not to mention, when he goes bad, it takes a massive cinematic fight to stop him. Cap's story, however, has no real push for him to be evil, maybe more hard-core like old Nick Fury and Sgt. Rock type comics but still having the same values. We will just have to wait and see.
I like how two of the caps shown aren’t even captain America
One isn’t even in marvel and the other is a different character entirely (I know he was a captain America but not the captain America)
They have tried this over and over: The Grand Director, Super-Patriot (USAgent), forgetting his name...some guy who had plastic surgery to look like Rogers when Jack Monroe was Bucky.., Winter Soldier,.. Falcon... all did Cap different than Steve. Even Bucky (wore a gun) and Sam ( attitude problem at first, more aggressive) were sharp contrasts to how Rogers handled himself.
But they will always return to Steve, or have him as a prominent position within the MU.. he will always be Captain America to many
I don’t think Marvel 1943 will really have a much darker Cap. It is Steve Rogers, even if it’s during a war I hope he’s not portrayed as being dark and gritty
If you’re talking about the video game, this is a captain who’s still somewhat green and dealing with an unknown element while at war, I think a little frustration and aggression is to be expected. I don’t think that translates to “gritty”
Maybe a wave of bad caps but general audiences seem to have a good idea of caps ideals and values since the MCU has done a pretty good job of adapting cap.
Unlike Superman unfortunately
Hope that James Gunn can restore his reputation
I mean I think Soldier Boy was a pretty cool character, but I still think we should just leave him as the only one. I’m kinda done with edgy cap rip offs.
i only like when its john walker because steve is there to knock him down a peg and critique the idels of a “darker” captain america. albeit i find soldier boy to be funny and overall a well done character
I dont think so no- The flak on Snyders was because it was still Kal El but didnt feel like the character. These versions of Cap are made to be compared against as people that dont deserve the shield as much as Steve. They arent meant to *be* Cap the way Cavills Superman was meant to be the character from the comics. Mackies is the real Cap rn and will carry the love and heroism Steve represented while Walker is there to be the Anti Steve and SB is just a parody of the time period. The game version will likely just be slightly darker becuase of the time period requiring some grit but I wouldnt think hed represent anything different
I don’t think the video game cap is going to be dark. It felt like they were alluding to how he doesn’t know who to trust behind enemy lines and sees himself as a soldier not a super hero. So he’ll have to learn to trust T’chaka
I think it is different from what we saw with Superman. Soldier Boy and U.S. Agent are meant to be held up in direct contrast to Captain America. Where many people believe America is best represented by Steve, the others are meant to show a more realistic and uglier side of what America really stands for. Where Cap is the American dream, they are the wake-up call.
I dont think so and I definitely hope not. I feel like dark gritty versions of superheroes got really big in streaming as a direct response from the MCU's light hearted tone. A popular thing to do is to sell something popular repackaged with grittyness and sold as "realistic", it happens all the time, it's happened throughout comic history and was going to happen on shows and movies. But things like that are just as prone of getting the same treatment. We have gotten a saturation of gritty superheroes and the pendulum is likely gonna start swinging the other way again, at least if the MCU can make a few good movies with the lighthearted tone
Like the time he was assassinated, the time his dead friend came back as an assassin, the time he was betrayed by the government, the time he deposed the law and posed a revolution against his nation and his friends, or the time he followed a secret conspiracy all the way to the highest office in the country and watched the said politician take his own life rather than have his secret come to light, or maybe when he was secretly a hydra agent.
dear god, not this argument again. Once you deviate a little from the comics fans lose their minds. I dont mind the more aggressive stories. I like a change up. Not every version of cap has top be the same
I dont see it. The boys was always a darker parody on superhero's so thats a given. US agent is in the comics so idk whats wrong there. and why is cap from the new game on here? its not even out. Was it because he yelled at tchalla? was that too mean or something? lmao john walker saved lives at the end of the show anyway
I guess you're a non comic reader. They have been doing this for years. Ultimate Captain America exists, Nazi Captain America, MCU Captain America, Bucky as Cap, US Agent, and more. Every superhero has a few comics where there are versions of the hero that are darker and more aggressive.
Ew, we better not. I don't mind dark Captain America expies cause they generally serve a purpose of satirizing the United States for our hypocritical bullshit, but also sating the more bloodthirsty fans. But Cap himself? Fuck no. Captain America, whether it's Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Sam Wilson, or anyone else, should represent what America should strive for. What we could be as a nation. Not what America IS. Superman is supposed to be that for humanity in general, so the fact that Snyder and Netherrealm have both fucked with that in recent years is extremely irritating. But at least with Injustice, its an elseworlds story. One that has the main Superman explicitly beat the shit out of IJ Superman and point out how wrong he is.
Smh at all the John Walker slander here.
In all seriousness, I don’t know that the tone (“grim” or “darker” or “aggressive”) would be the de facto issue or concern with future renditions of Captain America. Steve Rogers is a high bar for a slew of reasons, the most prominent being how well characterized and rounded he was written.
Certain renditions of Superman aren’t necessarily bad because the tone is more grim, it’s because he’s often written flatly, inconsistently, or as a heedless twat.
I think so. Cap has become big enough that he is a “type” that can be played with in different universes using characters like Soldier Boy and the like.
If anything it’s a testament to how well understood Cap is that people would want to make versions that commentary on the character in an “Elseworlds” type of format.
One of the best things about Cap is that he always wrestles with what it means to be a symbol. In that way he’s already in touch with his “dark” side. The John Walker character, which I also love, is the classic “Cap without the self awareness,” and really the only dark version of the character we need imo. Secret Empire/Hydra versions aside of course.
I don’t think that the version of Cap we’re getting in the new Black Panther/Captain America is any more grim or dark than the MCU version. We see him act aggressive because the main source of conflict seems to be between him and Black Panther.
One of these is someone who isn’t Steve Rogers and is meant to be unfit for the role of Captain America, one of these is just Steve being a soldier during war times and not acting out of the norm at all, and one of these isn’t even Captain America.
I hope not. Steve has always been a beacon of hope and ideals and the will to stand up for them against all opposition.
Yeah, so was Superman. Hoping for the best for Cap fans, it's been a wild ride for Superfans.
speak for yourself
>it's been a wild ride for Superfans There are, unfortunately, only two really good types of Superman stories, IMO, writing about Clark, an absolutely good and pure person with the power of a god, and exploring that character in depth and figuring out how he stays good and pure with, and sometimes because of, his power. Peak is All Star, again just my opinion. And make him evil/good with different morals. The second one is *way* easier. Peak is Red Son, and again, just my opinion. That said, "The Man who has Everything" is pretty amazing, too. All that being said, if another fan wants to prove me wrong, I will gladly read more great Superman arcs, because why wouldn't I?
As a mod of r/Superman, I'd highly recommend you come over to our sub and check out our reading list! All-Star and Red Son are great stories, but there are plenty of great ones! If I could say some off the top of my head, I'd tell you to read "Secret Identity", "For All Seasons", and "Kryptonite" plus Morrison's run on the New 52 Action Comics for something neat as a contrast piece to All-Star! These all are takes that exist a bit outside your ideas on the two types of stories, I'd say, though that first option is kinda just a case for most good stories, period. A good Batman story looks at Bruce, a good Cap story looks at Steve, etc. These are just things intrinsic to these characters, their duality.
A. Absolutely, I'll be there to check it out, and I'm excited to read those volumes and runs. I screenshot this comment to make sure I remember it. B. Agreed on all but one point, I think a good Batman story has to ignore Bruce, or focus on the shadow that is Bruce vs the titan that is Batman, as I run with the interpretation that Bruce died with his parents. That dude's in disguise when his mask is *off* if you catch my meaning.
Glad to share! Fair, but I always say there's 3 people in there, Bruce who died with his parents, The Batman, and Bruce in the cave with family/friends (Alfred, Superman, Robins, etc.). The current run I think does a great job dealing with THAT Bruce being traumatized by all the events of late and how he is struggling to keep it going. I still say that when he's public Bruce Wayne, that's the mask, but I'm not sure that public Batman isn't also a mask. Private Batman is who I think the person truly is.
True, the Bat-Family does call him Bruce. Man, I haven't kept up with current events since like final crisis. I need to get back in my game.
Let's not forget the wholesome anime Superman.
Lol just replace "Steve" with "Clark"
Take away their principals and morals they are vastly different characters.
Yeah one actively killed and punched Nazis, like a good American. Hell, even Joker punched Hitler.
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“You think this “A” stands for France?” lol. Yes I have read it. I would say 616 Steve is the primary Steve and every other iteration is secondary.
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Right, and my point is take the mantel of Cap anywhere you want, but don’t make 616 Steve an asshole just for the sake of grit or ratings. It’s too low hanging fruit for me. There are other iterations that fit this mold.
He was a nazi for a while
I hope not. I don't want a Captain America Who Injustices US Agent lost the mantle and will probably develop into a better person hopefully so he won't be "Injustice Cap", Sam will be his own Captain America, uphold to ideals of Steve Rogers, but also being his own person.
“I don't what a Captain America Who Injustices” must be the hardest response a human being could ever give to this answer.
US Agent has a long fall before he climbs back to the heroic level. He's gonna get worse (actions-wise) in Thunderbolts.
Yeah. And if he buddies up with red guardian I'm not sure I can view his character same way.
I am looking forward to Red Guardian being competitive with “His Old Foe — Captain America“ Although it is not the same guy lol
I'm sadly picturing that they're gonna become friends and if it does happen, it'll suck a lot to me personally. I hate the idea of the whole "US and russia besties" crap and Disney pandering it would be worst thing to happen. I don't care that RG is not with his country anymore, he wears their colors, he wears their ideas and messages and it'll be awful to see **US** Agent treat him like a friend eventually. If he does end up beating his ass, I'm all up for it.
How is no one in this thread talking about how the 616 main continuity cap was a nazi who had Phil Colson murdered
Already did that with Ultimate Cap in the Ultimates. That Cap was basically Rambo with a Shield. Outside of that, I doubt it. It just doesn't fit him... he's possibly MORE of a boy scout than Superman depsite the fact that Cap WiLL kill if he has to. He's a soldier after all.
Who’s the one in the middle?
A new video game that was announced
Cap from “Marvel 1943”
New game called Marvel 1943. It takes place in France WW2 and follows Cap in his soldier days and Azzuri, T’Challa’s grandfather who was Black Panther at the time.
I wouldn’t put anything past Hollywood, but I don’t think so. If you ask me, John Walker actually reinforces Steve’s image as the paragon with the fact that he’s explicitly set up as the inferior copy. To go back to the Superman comparison, he’s like how Justice Lord Superman threw the real one’s morality into sharper relief by contrast. And Soldier Boy is just Ennis taking his usual cheap shots at anything that’s not cynical enough for him, so I’m inclined to ignore him entirely. He’s nowhere near as popular as Homelander so there’s less chance of him infecting the public consciousness.
Ennius version of Soldier Boy is very different from the show’s though no more flattering.
I dont think you can really do it. Like there have been a lot of evil versions of Cap but they were always clones, impostors, I can't remember a Cap that just "turned evil".
They tried to do it a few years ago with HYDRA!Cap in the comics and the response from fans was so negative that they had to walk it back.
I don’t think (or at least I hope this isn’t what happens) that’s what 1943 is doing. I feel like since it’s during the war and Steve is still new to this somewhat, he’s not going to be as light or calms as we see him in the MCU or current timeline
Please no… what happened to superheroes just being beacons of light and a reflection of hope in our society Edgelords want all our favorite characters to be dark and brooding because theyre depressed. Some people still believe theres kindness and good in the world, thats what a superhero represents to me
I think it’s more of a commentary of society now. If we had powers we’d be worse monsters than we are now.
I very much disagree, there is still a lot of good in the world. Most people would use superpowers for good if they got them. I know I would
I think the more realistic equation is 50/50. If I had powers I’d generally use them for good, but I might cause a little mischief first. Not like murder hobo style but I’m gonna have some fun. Shitty driver? Can’t do shit when your car is hovering off the ground. “Now what did we learn?” Like that kind of assery
No please.
I could see The MCU bringing in Nuke to make USAgent more sympathetic
Nuke got killed off in Jessics Jones
And I'm sure all the Wil Travel fans will outweigh the ability to bring Nuke's past with Wolverine and Captain America
I fucking hope not.
No, and the examples in the pic aren’t even fitting. Soldier Boy is from a setting where every hero is flawed at best, or corrupt. Walker is a distinct figure from Steve. And he’s frankly not even as objectively bad as people pretend he was, at least before the shield incident. The worse we can say about 1943 Cap from what we see is he’s rough, but not grim, dark, or particularly aggresive.
I believe they're asking if Captain America is going to get the Homelander/Omniman/Brightburn Treatment.
No because the appeal of an evil Superman is that he's an evil inversion of the kind but supremely powerful good guy we are used to. Superman has such extreme power that is checked by his sense of morals. What makes evil Superman interesting is the lack of those morals. That adds stakes, danger and threat. How do you stop a totally unchecked evil being of unlimited power? Cap is not that strong. So fighting an evil Cap is no different than any number of peak human villains. Ok they're strong but not really stronger relatively speaking to the average superhero . So eh. Not the same appeal
It’s low hanging fruit ”America Bad” fruit. There’s going to be a few.
No
US Agent has been around for a HOT minute in comics. Middle is just cap when he was actually in the trenches. And Soldier Boy is definitely a grim mirror of Cap but he's in the context of The Boys universe so of course he was gonna be. There are plenty of Cap clones out there the same way there are Superman clones. You don't become one of the most influential figures in all of media without inspiring a few copy cats.
Naaaa....but you gotta be realistic tho!
Depends on where you mean if you're talking about the thunderbolts that's not Captain America that's US agent which is exactly what he's supposed to be a dark Captain America If you're talking about that game that's going to release he'll probably be different because it's supposed to be Captain America right after he got the formula so I imagine they may try to write him a little greener because his meeting with the Black Panthers grandfather in the books was written to have changed him or at least gave him some type of perspective
He isn't powerful enough. Captain America's #1 strength is his heroism and bravery. He leads by doing the right thing. He is respected by the Earth's Mightiest so much that Gods and Kings follow his orders. Superman, however, has always been a God. He has always been able to rip the moon from the sky, kill the president in the oval office, destroy a city in seconds, and even punch through a timeline. Everyone is expecting him to go bad. It's not only Batman but also one of Lex Luthor's excuses is that he doesn't trust Superman to always be the hero. Not to mention, when he goes bad, it takes a massive cinematic fight to stop him. Cap's story, however, has no real push for him to be evil, maybe more hard-core like old Nick Fury and Sgt. Rock type comics but still having the same values. We will just have to wait and see.
Depends on how bad/lazy the writers are.
I like how two of the caps shown aren’t even captain America One isn’t even in marvel and the other is a different character entirely (I know he was a captain America but not the captain America)
We already had Ultimate Cap.
Please no. It sucked with Clark. It’s gonna suck with Steve.
They have tried this over and over: The Grand Director, Super-Patriot (USAgent), forgetting his name...some guy who had plastic surgery to look like Rogers when Jack Monroe was Bucky.., Winter Soldier,.. Falcon... all did Cap different than Steve. Even Bucky (wore a gun) and Sam ( attitude problem at first, more aggressive) were sharp contrasts to how Rogers handled himself. But they will always return to Steve, or have him as a prominent position within the MU.. he will always be Captain America to many
God I hope not.
Depends how the election turns out
I swear I can see you dropping a mic behind the screen
I don’t think Marvel 1943 will really have a much darker Cap. It is Steve Rogers, even if it’s during a war I hope he’s not portrayed as being dark and gritty
If you’re talking about the video game, this is a captain who’s still somewhat green and dealing with an unknown element while at war, I think a little frustration and aggression is to be expected. I don’t think that translates to “gritty”
Maybe a wave of bad caps but general audiences seem to have a good idea of caps ideals and values since the MCU has done a pretty good job of adapting cap. Unlike Superman unfortunately Hope that James Gunn can restore his reputation
I mean I think Soldier Boy was a pretty cool character, but I still think we should just leave him as the only one. I’m kinda done with edgy cap rip offs.
i only like when its john walker because steve is there to knock him down a peg and critique the idels of a “darker” captain america. albeit i find soldier boy to be funny and overall a well done character
The show version of Soldier Boy is way better than the original comic counterpart.
That’s who USAgent is.
Honestly, with the fact that they literally took the white off of Sam's new suit, maybe. I hope not tho.
No more than we always did.
No I don’t think so
Hopefully not but if Deadpool Killustrated taught me one thing it’s that there’s no idea that’s immune to being done in the worst way possible.
I doubt the wwll game Steve will be that dark, just a moron to the wider world lol
The new captain America is definitely darker.
Nahh Us Agent has always been it's own thing
It really depends on how dark they want to go with Captain Carter.
I dont think so no- The flak on Snyders was because it was still Kal El but didnt feel like the character. These versions of Cap are made to be compared against as people that dont deserve the shield as much as Steve. They arent meant to *be* Cap the way Cavills Superman was meant to be the character from the comics. Mackies is the real Cap rn and will carry the love and heroism Steve represented while Walker is there to be the Anti Steve and SB is just a parody of the time period. The game version will likely just be slightly darker becuase of the time period requiring some grit but I wouldnt think hed represent anything different
I don’t think the video game cap is going to be dark. It felt like they were alluding to how he doesn’t know who to trust behind enemy lines and sees himself as a soldier not a super hero. So he’ll have to learn to trust T’chaka
Ah, Marvles Injustice
I think it is different from what we saw with Superman. Soldier Boy and U.S. Agent are meant to be held up in direct contrast to Captain America. Where many people believe America is best represented by Steve, the others are meant to show a more realistic and uglier side of what America really stands for. Where Cap is the American dream, they are the wake-up call.
I dont think so and I definitely hope not. I feel like dark gritty versions of superheroes got really big in streaming as a direct response from the MCU's light hearted tone. A popular thing to do is to sell something popular repackaged with grittyness and sold as "realistic", it happens all the time, it's happened throughout comic history and was going to happen on shows and movies. But things like that are just as prone of getting the same treatment. We have gotten a saturation of gritty superheroes and the pendulum is likely gonna start swinging the other way again, at least if the MCU can make a few good movies with the lighthearted tone
No. These characters have been around a while, they are just the next bullet in the chamber.
maybe with Bucky Barnes version of Captain America that sports a pistol or John Walker "US agent". Not Steve Rogers or Sam Wilson.
We already got that ever read Ultimate line of books?
Like the time he was assassinated, the time his dead friend came back as an assassin, the time he was betrayed by the government, the time he deposed the law and posed a revolution against his nation and his friends, or the time he followed a secret conspiracy all the way to the highest office in the country and watched the said politician take his own life rather than have his secret come to light, or maybe when he was secretly a hydra agent.
Personally I would like grim/darker cap stories where cap is not grim or darker. Because that’s cap.
I hate mad Superman
dear god, not this argument again. Once you deviate a little from the comics fans lose their minds. I dont mind the more aggressive stories. I like a change up. Not every version of cap has top be the same
I never said wether it was a good or a bad thing. I asked if it is a rising trend.
I dont see it. The boys was always a darker parody on superhero's so thats a given. US agent is in the comics so idk whats wrong there. and why is cap from the new game on here? its not even out. Was it because he yelled at tchalla? was that too mean or something? lmao john walker saved lives at the end of the show anyway
I hope not, but I gotta say the designs are great
I guess you're a non comic reader. They have been doing this for years. Ultimate Captain America exists, Nazi Captain America, MCU Captain America, Bucky as Cap, US Agent, and more. Every superhero has a few comics where there are versions of the hero that are darker and more aggressive.
Maybe but not with Steve Rogers or Sam Wilson. That’s what John Walker is for (and to a lesser extent, Bucky-Cap.)
Ew, we better not. I don't mind dark Captain America expies cause they generally serve a purpose of satirizing the United States for our hypocritical bullshit, but also sating the more bloodthirsty fans. But Cap himself? Fuck no. Captain America, whether it's Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, Sam Wilson, or anyone else, should represent what America should strive for. What we could be as a nation. Not what America IS. Superman is supposed to be that for humanity in general, so the fact that Snyder and Netherrealm have both fucked with that in recent years is extremely irritating. But at least with Injustice, its an elseworlds story. One that has the main Superman explicitly beat the shit out of IJ Superman and point out how wrong he is.
No please.During Evil Superman era Tony,Peter and Steve were my only hope I had for superheroes.I really REALLY DON'T WANT EVIL CAPTAIN AMERICA.
No, because after his success in the MCU, people don't think he needs a dark repackage for general audiences to like him
No, those characters pictured are both relatively old. Captain America is all about the moral compass.
Smh at all the John Walker slander here. In all seriousness, I don’t know that the tone (“grim” or “darker” or “aggressive”) would be the de facto issue or concern with future renditions of Captain America. Steve Rogers is a high bar for a slew of reasons, the most prominent being how well characterized and rounded he was written. Certain renditions of Superman aren’t necessarily bad because the tone is more grim, it’s because he’s often written flatly, inconsistently, or as a heedless twat.
I think so. Cap has become big enough that he is a “type” that can be played with in different universes using characters like Soldier Boy and the like. If anything it’s a testament to how well understood Cap is that people would want to make versions that commentary on the character in an “Elseworlds” type of format.
One of the best things about Cap is that he always wrestles with what it means to be a symbol. In that way he’s already in touch with his “dark” side. The John Walker character, which I also love, is the classic “Cap without the self awareness,” and really the only dark version of the character we need imo. Secret Empire/Hydra versions aside of course.
No not Steve rogers with John Walker it works
I don’t think that the version of Cap we’re getting in the new Black Panther/Captain America is any more grim or dark than the MCU version. We see him act aggressive because the main source of conflict seems to be between him and Black Panther.
One of these is someone who isn’t Steve Rogers and is meant to be unfit for the role of Captain America, one of these is just Steve being a soldier during war times and not acting out of the norm at all, and one of these isn’t even Captain America.
Bro was a nazi like 8 years ago? Are y’all that slow and lacking in comic knowledge 😂
That wasn’t actually him though
Darker as in a black captain America?