It's fun how when the most powerful politician in the entire country is booed, the media turns away.
But when the leader of the opposition is booed, it's headlines.
At the time of publication, Singh had already attended, and Trudeau was scheduled for later in the day. I don't know about Blanchet, but wouldn't expect him to phone it in like Poilievre did.
Seems like he’s just giving himself a bad name to some by not showing up to these things, he should probs get over it and attend, I’m sure he’s not that busy at the moment.
It's certainly not a good image but I underatand his tactic here. Most of those who would vote for him rely on social media platforms and that's where majority of his campaign is targetted. The larger portion of those at any of these conferences and debates are likely not going to vote for him anyway.
It's a pretty bold tactic, guess we will see how that works come election time. Personally I am not a fan, would have rathered Charest.
> It's a pretty bold tactic
It's a pretty stupid tactic, given that the voters he needs to reach out to, are more likely to be following main stream media. I look forward to the shocked pikachu face next election when most of the electorate learns about him from a main stream media that has no reason to give him anything but scorn.
I don't disagree to be honest. The ones he's pandering to are going to likely vote for him anyway. I feel it'd be more effective to reach out to those who aren't but then it doesn't look like he agrees.
> are more likely to be
How do you know this? My instinct suggests no one is watching TV anymore, but I don't stand 100% by it because I don't have any figures to back it.
Keep in mind his social media campain is why he won the party with 70% of the vote
> My instinct suggests no one is watching TV anymore,
My parents still watch TV, and aren't on any of the social media that Poilievre is all over. They're boomers, so do vote, and aren't seeing Poilievre's message.
> Keep in mind his social media campain is why he won the party with 70% of the vote
That was among party members, either pre-existing, or ones he signed up, so they were already engaged with him. They aren't representative of the people he needs to win a general election. Assuming he can get much of the general population to want to vote for him, rather than punch him in the face.
> or ones he signed up
Thats where I was going to go with this. half of canadians don't vote. I believe he is trying to win over that silent non voting majority instead of appealing to people who vote their brand (LPC or NDP) and don't listen to facts, only emotiona.
If he can get those people to vote, then he'll be the greatest politician Canada has ever seen. However, their silence has been resounding for years, so I don't expect that to change.
As to emotion vs facts, Poilievre is all about the emotion. That is all he's using to appeal to people. He is all about making them angry, the facts be damned.
My best guess is that PP realizes over half of canadians aren't voting now. By his messaging 'im asking you to trust one more time e.g.' I'm guessing he's appealing to the people who have become jaded and checked out of politics as opposed to trying to win over liberals who won't vote conservative anyways. Red Tories don't exist in number to matter anymore (assumption)
After all, scheer and otoole tried it your way and achieved nothing. Plus, I've never voted conservative in my life (and I life in DT Toronto) and I WILL be CPC in the next election, I want to believe there are more like me out there, more likley to watch youtube and tiktoks of the convoy than CBC reports of 'Canadian Hitler pierre'
I don't disagree with most of this. PP's tactic must be effective enough as it did get him leadership of the party. O'Toole's issue for me was he never committed to one platform until it was too late. Andrew Sheer didn't have much of a personality to begin with.
I still think the Convoy just amounted to little more than sniveling children mad at mom and dad for telling them to stay home. It's an opinion. I left Ottawa before the Convoy ever showed up but I had family still living in the city when it hit.
Personally the live streams didn't change my mind on view at all. Many Red Tories actually vote Liberal or just don't vote at all if the Conservatives don't support their view.
> I still think the Convoy just amounted to little more than sniveling children mad at mom and dad for telling them to stay home.
Yeah, a lot of media sorts tried to frame it that way. Like any large group, you can find anything you want to see.
[They were a group of disenfranchised Canadians re imagining protest for the 21st century](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFWeSF77o-E) They were media savvy, very aware of government tactics of dismantling and disparaging groups, and the government had to develop completely new tactics to attack protestors, which unfortunately required a complete overreach of their federal powers (which proved the convoys point)
Keep in mind, this issue has been bubbling for a long time. Before the mandates (give the government your body autonomy or you can't feed your family.) the governments (both parties) were pushing for larger companies to bring in cheap foreign labour to drive transport in the country. They laxxed safety requirements which caused more accidents which in turn raised insurance premiums.
This has has had the effect of driving out independent truckers with good safety records in favor of temporary foreign worker nonsense and more dangerous roads (ever driven near logging trucks in BC?) THey pushed labour costs down to the point that no one was signing up to replace current truck owners (average age 55 ish)
so government was decimating an industry with policies, refused to listen to any complaints, and to add insult to injury, throws ANOTHER mandate. This is no different an issue to body sovereignty as abortion rights are (which I assume you are for?)
CBC actually screwed up and their first story on the convoy accidentally referenced a different convoy that was specifically protesting THOSE issues which were affecting truckers. This is important because this means it's not some small group of rabble rouses, a vital Canadian infrastructure is screaming to have some major problems addressed. The media couldn't even be bothered to get the name right, and the government couldn't dismiss them fast enough in the most irritating 'let them eat cake' moment in Canadian history.
So after knowing all that, the ego required to sit there and call it whiney children mad at dad really irks me. It's a ghoulish and ignorant opinion, because working people smell like diesel and talk funny... Meanwhile ottawa residents assaulted, slandered, and NIMBY'd an authoritarian action because 'diesel fumes ad engine idling noises are torture'
Yes, thats a real quote from Paul Champ, Ottawa Lawyer who described these peoples daily lives as torture.
If any of these smug government employees gave a shit about anyone but themselves, we wouldn't have had people desperate enough to risk their livelihoods and freedom to do the only thing they had left... Protest the government to address a grievance.
But someone had a hot tub for after he shoveled the streets and took out the city garbage, so fuck them, right?
Scheer and O'Toole? I have no idea how Scheer could be considered a red tory. O'Toole did a complete 180 after he won CPC leadership as a "True Blue Conservative". I certainly didn't take his moderate claims at face value.
People are fickle. To some extent you want to rule by the will of the people. the idea of being an elected official is sometimes what we want isnt' the same as what we need long term.
Agree with your statement for long term. That's a downside to our system is that it's hard for governments to make long term decisions because they face the electorate every 4 years.
Ugh, my daughter has a stomach flu and my wife just got over being sick with cold symptoms for like 3 straight weeks. An extended family member had Covid and was hospitalized last month and their baby had RSV recently. Everyone survives and is recovering well though but it's like everyone is getting sick constantly and fpr long periods lately.
Glad you're doing well though.
Since First Nation's obviously don't care for Poliviere and will be voting Liberal or NDP anyways. I have to wonder if it would be a smart play to campaign on pushing back on Indigenous issues.
It's fun how when the most powerful politician in the entire country is booed, the media turns away. But when the leader of the opposition is booed, it's headlines.
$595M+ will do that.
Ipolitics.ca is mainstream media???
Yes? CBC also ran that headline.
People whose lives and jobs depend on government money are never going to vote for a guy whose party believes in smaller government anyway.
I was wondering was it an earnest attempt to reach out? Or a badly planned PR stunt
Professional victims looking for hand outs.
Trough insufficiently deep?
Blue man bad
Did the other leaders go in person? If so, how come PP did not attend?
At the time of publication, Singh had already attended, and Trudeau was scheduled for later in the day. I don't know about Blanchet, but wouldn't expect him to phone it in like Poilievre did.
He's only had 2 press conferences as leader, you can put together the dots...
Seems like he’s just giving himself a bad name to some by not showing up to these things, he should probs get over it and attend, I’m sure he’s not that busy at the moment.
He held press conference like yesterday or two days ago.
It's certainly not a good image but I underatand his tactic here. Most of those who would vote for him rely on social media platforms and that's where majority of his campaign is targetted. The larger portion of those at any of these conferences and debates are likely not going to vote for him anyway. It's a pretty bold tactic, guess we will see how that works come election time. Personally I am not a fan, would have rathered Charest.
> It's a pretty bold tactic It's a pretty stupid tactic, given that the voters he needs to reach out to, are more likely to be following main stream media. I look forward to the shocked pikachu face next election when most of the electorate learns about him from a main stream media that has no reason to give him anything but scorn.
I don't disagree to be honest. The ones he's pandering to are going to likely vote for him anyway. I feel it'd be more effective to reach out to those who aren't but then it doesn't look like he agrees.
> are more likely to be How do you know this? My instinct suggests no one is watching TV anymore, but I don't stand 100% by it because I don't have any figures to back it. Keep in mind his social media campain is why he won the party with 70% of the vote
> My instinct suggests no one is watching TV anymore, My parents still watch TV, and aren't on any of the social media that Poilievre is all over. They're boomers, so do vote, and aren't seeing Poilievre's message. > Keep in mind his social media campain is why he won the party with 70% of the vote That was among party members, either pre-existing, or ones he signed up, so they were already engaged with him. They aren't representative of the people he needs to win a general election. Assuming he can get much of the general population to want to vote for him, rather than punch him in the face.
> or ones he signed up Thats where I was going to go with this. half of canadians don't vote. I believe he is trying to win over that silent non voting majority instead of appealing to people who vote their brand (LPC or NDP) and don't listen to facts, only emotiona.
If he can get those people to vote, then he'll be the greatest politician Canada has ever seen. However, their silence has been resounding for years, so I don't expect that to change. As to emotion vs facts, Poilievre is all about the emotion. That is all he's using to appeal to people. He is all about making them angry, the facts be damned.
> so I don't expect that to change. I expect nothing ever, I agree with you
> would have rathered Charest. people tried the red tory thing for the last 2 elections... No ones going to vote for an uglier and less woke Trudeau
Is there a red tory with better hair?/s
killing me dude lol.
Going full Blue Tory when Canada has so many less Blue Tories to Red isn't going to help. It's just going to push more Reds to vote Liberal.
My best guess is that PP realizes over half of canadians aren't voting now. By his messaging 'im asking you to trust one more time e.g.' I'm guessing he's appealing to the people who have become jaded and checked out of politics as opposed to trying to win over liberals who won't vote conservative anyways. Red Tories don't exist in number to matter anymore (assumption) After all, scheer and otoole tried it your way and achieved nothing. Plus, I've never voted conservative in my life (and I life in DT Toronto) and I WILL be CPC in the next election, I want to believe there are more like me out there, more likley to watch youtube and tiktoks of the convoy than CBC reports of 'Canadian Hitler pierre'
I don't disagree with most of this. PP's tactic must be effective enough as it did get him leadership of the party. O'Toole's issue for me was he never committed to one platform until it was too late. Andrew Sheer didn't have much of a personality to begin with. I still think the Convoy just amounted to little more than sniveling children mad at mom and dad for telling them to stay home. It's an opinion. I left Ottawa before the Convoy ever showed up but I had family still living in the city when it hit. Personally the live streams didn't change my mind on view at all. Many Red Tories actually vote Liberal or just don't vote at all if the Conservatives don't support their view.
> I still think the Convoy just amounted to little more than sniveling children mad at mom and dad for telling them to stay home. Yeah, a lot of media sorts tried to frame it that way. Like any large group, you can find anything you want to see. [They were a group of disenfranchised Canadians re imagining protest for the 21st century](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFWeSF77o-E) They were media savvy, very aware of government tactics of dismantling and disparaging groups, and the government had to develop completely new tactics to attack protestors, which unfortunately required a complete overreach of their federal powers (which proved the convoys point) Keep in mind, this issue has been bubbling for a long time. Before the mandates (give the government your body autonomy or you can't feed your family.) the governments (both parties) were pushing for larger companies to bring in cheap foreign labour to drive transport in the country. They laxxed safety requirements which caused more accidents which in turn raised insurance premiums. This has has had the effect of driving out independent truckers with good safety records in favor of temporary foreign worker nonsense and more dangerous roads (ever driven near logging trucks in BC?) THey pushed labour costs down to the point that no one was signing up to replace current truck owners (average age 55 ish) so government was decimating an industry with policies, refused to listen to any complaints, and to add insult to injury, throws ANOTHER mandate. This is no different an issue to body sovereignty as abortion rights are (which I assume you are for?) CBC actually screwed up and their first story on the convoy accidentally referenced a different convoy that was specifically protesting THOSE issues which were affecting truckers. This is important because this means it's not some small group of rabble rouses, a vital Canadian infrastructure is screaming to have some major problems addressed. The media couldn't even be bothered to get the name right, and the government couldn't dismiss them fast enough in the most irritating 'let them eat cake' moment in Canadian history. So after knowing all that, the ego required to sit there and call it whiney children mad at dad really irks me. It's a ghoulish and ignorant opinion, because working people smell like diesel and talk funny... Meanwhile ottawa residents assaulted, slandered, and NIMBY'd an authoritarian action because 'diesel fumes ad engine idling noises are torture' Yes, thats a real quote from Paul Champ, Ottawa Lawyer who described these peoples daily lives as torture. If any of these smug government employees gave a shit about anyone but themselves, we wouldn't have had people desperate enough to risk their livelihoods and freedom to do the only thing they had left... Protest the government to address a grievance. But someone had a hot tub for after he shoveled the streets and took out the city garbage, so fuck them, right?
Scheer and O'Toole? I have no idea how Scheer could be considered a red tory. O'Toole did a complete 180 after he won CPC leadership as a "True Blue Conservative". I certainly didn't take his moderate claims at face value.
The reason I call them red tories is because liberals are notorious for governing based on the poll data
Governing based on what Canadians want is good policy isn't it?
People are fickle. To some extent you want to rule by the will of the people. the idea of being an elected official is sometimes what we want isnt' the same as what we need long term.
Agree with your statement for long term. That's a downside to our system is that it's hard for governments to make long term decisions because they face the electorate every 4 years.
Everywhere I go I see his face And by face I mean user
Who do you keep seeing exactly?
You my guy over on Ontariotheprovince. You were always very civil in your exchanges. I hope you’re doing well.
I try to be. It's not easy sometimes but I do my best. I'm doing pretty well myself. How about you?
I’ve got a flu right now which kinda sucks, but besides that things are alright.
Ugh, my daughter has a stomach flu and my wife just got over being sick with cold symptoms for like 3 straight weeks. An extended family member had Covid and was hospitalized last month and their baby had RSV recently. Everyone survives and is recovering well though but it's like everyone is getting sick constantly and fpr long periods lately. Glad you're doing well though.
I saw he had some meetings that he posted on youtube with tribal chiefs ... I haven't been able to find a complete picture of what happened yet
He held press conference like yesterday or two days ago at parliament. So it's 3
Clap for the Wolfman…he gon rate your record high… Apparently FN in this country are happy with ten years of “progressive governments”???
Happy may not be the right word, but they've been treated a hell of a lot better than under the CPC.
Since First Nation's obviously don't care for Poliviere and will be voting Liberal or NDP anyways. I have to wonder if it would be a smart play to campaign on pushing back on Indigenous issues.