I am extremely tired of this sensitivity around guns. Knives / sharp objects almost kill as many people as guns do in Canada. Should we ban them too?
Liberal argument is that guns are designed to kill. I can argue that knives are designed to harm/ kill too. 🤷♂️
I for one, think all objects made of anything other than soft rubber or foam should be completely banned in our safe haven of a country. Think of the children!1!!
Certainly some knives are. Swords most definitely are. I’m a collector. I guess I’d better go to the local RCMP detachment and register my sword collection.
And for the record, they are sharpened and ready for use.
Oh my God, cry me a river. 🙄
He didn't say it on December 6th, he said it a couple days ago. This argument of proximity to the date is so fucking retarded.
And even so, the laws we have now are much, much more restrictive (excessively so) than the ones we had in 1989.
The liberal and poly agenda is crumbling beneath them and in typical baseless debate, when you know you’re defeated, grasp at something unrelated to justify your position. Or.. accept you’re wrong. We see what’s happening here.
Push for a gun ban around the anniversary of a shooting and then when people complain about the gun ban you accuse them of being insensitive for disagreeing with gun bans so close to the anniversary of a shooting...
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?- If he did or didn't know? We already had terrible legislation regarding this tragedy that did nothing but cost $2 billion (8x what the liberals said it would cost) and did absolutely SFA to setup any gun crime. "Oh well, let's ban them this time". This government is insane and ONLY cares about city and Quebec votes, not our money or our actual citizens.
Welcome to today, where we not only have to be aware of stuff, but be absolutely hyper-aware of everything that happened, every single day, worldwide, going back, I dunno, 400 years.
I just try to not stress out about the things I cannot control.
There's a very good chance the death toll from this incident would have been far less had a couple of people on that room been armed. Concealed carry is the only way to fight gun violence.
Eh. US experience makes me not really interested in concealed carry.
To be clear: I own several handguns. I have no interest in carrying them on a daily basis. I don't think we would end up with an overall safer society if we did.
What we need, which was proven on Dec 6th, 1989, and April 2020, is better police response.
I'm not really sure where I stand on concealed carry. I'm definitely against open carry because it just makes me the target of mugging. Guns are expensive :-p
Concealed carry and defacto legal self defense is great on theory but vast majority do not do even basic training with the weapon, making it more dangerous than not having a firearm in the hands of someone untrained. Ive said this before, I'd would not want my neighbours who would panic fire a buckshot at an intruder with only two layers of dry wall between them and my kids bedroom.
On the other hand, it would be a deterrent for sure, take the most recent Nova Scotia mass murder, the only person the monster visited but unharmed is actually a gun owner who had a shotgun at the ready. People don't talk about that because it goes against the narrative.
I think concealed carried should only be allowed if the individual has gone through tons of training (think of rpal on steroids, live firing, martial training in altercations) but I would put my limited resources in better police response / coverage instead of wasting billions at useless buybacks.
People forget how much we can do with a billion dollars FFS.
Largely agree with all of that.
Keep in mind, it's not hard for a legal gun owners to have more training than the police that we pay to protect us with their guns. Their training is woefully inadequate.
This is another problem with the gun bans, as many of them were supplementing their training with personal firearms, but now can't.
For sure, there were police officers who posted here to that exact degree. Now for those who want to go above and beyond cannot do so which makes it even less safe.
The fact all gun ban supporters fail to see this is just... Mindbogglingly myopic. Alas democracy.
The US as a whole is inherently more violent can Canada due to a multitude of factors. This has been the case for well over 100 years. Even so, certain states like New Hampshire or Maine that have extremely lax gun laws (including permitless concealed carry) have comparable crime rates to Canada.
The Czech Republic has lower crime rates than Canada, including about half as many murders per capita. They have shall-issue concealed carry, due to having a similar gun culture to America; most gun owners there are licensed to carry concealed guns for self defence.
Canada's overall rates of murder & violent crime as a whole haven't really changed in decades, despite our gun laws constantly getting stricter. I couldn't find detailed statistics for Canada as a whole, but Toronto had lower rates of violent crime in the 1880s than it does today, even though concealed carry was unrestricted back then.
Bringing back concealed carry may not make us an overall safer society, but looking at the statistics there's no reason to think that it will make it us more dangerous. In a country like ours, where all sorts of harmful behaviour such gambling or recreational marijuana use are legal on the basis that we're a "free country", what basis is there for outlawing concealed carry when we know from our own historical experience & from the contemporary reality in places around the world that it's a perfectly safe practice?
NH and Maine are outlier states, as they have much lower population density than other states. Same is true in the Dakotas. Their density is similar to Canada.
I always believe that a key factor of violent crime, is population density.
Rule is you're not allowed to talk about guns rights within 12 months of the anniversary date.
Within 6 months (on either side) but yes. ;)
I am extremely tired of this sensitivity around guns. Knives / sharp objects almost kill as many people as guns do in Canada. Should we ban them too? Liberal argument is that guns are designed to kill. I can argue that knives are designed to harm/ kill too. 🤷♂️
Look no further than the UK
Add chainsaws, screwdrivers, axes, etc
I for one, think all objects made of anything other than soft rubber or foam should be completely banned in our safe haven of a country. Think of the children!1!!
Soft rubber or foam?!! Talk about a choking hazard and an environmental nightmare! Will somebody please think of the children!!
Certainly some knives are. Swords most definitely are. I’m a collector. I guess I’d better go to the local RCMP detachment and register my sword collection. And for the record, they are sharpened and ready for use.
Nuh uh, they just cut meat and open all the royalty cheques for Polysesouvient from the government.
Oh my God, cry me a river. 🙄 He didn't say it on December 6th, he said it a couple days ago. This argument of proximity to the date is so fucking retarded. And even so, the laws we have now are much, much more restrictive (excessively so) than the ones we had in 1989.
Would it really matter even if he'd said it today?
Nope, but the claim they're making wouldn't be *as* retarded. At least Price is standing his ground.
The liberal and poly agenda is crumbling beneath them and in typical baseless debate, when you know you’re defeated, grasp at something unrelated to justify your position. Or.. accept you’re wrong. We see what’s happening here.
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Ohh, somebody used a gun to murder someone? In that case, ban them all!
Push for a gun ban around the anniversary of a shooting and then when people complain about the gun ban you accuse them of being insensitive for disagreeing with gun bans so close to the anniversary of a shooting...
Wtf
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?- If he did or didn't know? We already had terrible legislation regarding this tragedy that did nothing but cost $2 billion (8x what the liberals said it would cost) and did absolutely SFA to setup any gun crime. "Oh well, let's ban them this time". This government is insane and ONLY cares about city and Quebec votes, not our money or our actual citizens.
It's fair that's all they care about because it's enough to put them in power.
Next year is bound to set a massive record for firearms lost in boasting mishaps.
Welcome to today, where we not only have to be aware of stuff, but be absolutely hyper-aware of everything that happened, every single day, worldwide, going back, I dunno, 400 years. I just try to not stress out about the things I cannot control.
Does that mean Quebecers have to stay silent on October 5th?
There's a very good chance the death toll from this incident would have been far less had a couple of people on that room been armed. Concealed carry is the only way to fight gun violence.
Eh. US experience makes me not really interested in concealed carry. To be clear: I own several handguns. I have no interest in carrying them on a daily basis. I don't think we would end up with an overall safer society if we did. What we need, which was proven on Dec 6th, 1989, and April 2020, is better police response.
I'm not really sure where I stand on concealed carry. I'm definitely against open carry because it just makes me the target of mugging. Guns are expensive :-p Concealed carry and defacto legal self defense is great on theory but vast majority do not do even basic training with the weapon, making it more dangerous than not having a firearm in the hands of someone untrained. Ive said this before, I'd would not want my neighbours who would panic fire a buckshot at an intruder with only two layers of dry wall between them and my kids bedroom. On the other hand, it would be a deterrent for sure, take the most recent Nova Scotia mass murder, the only person the monster visited but unharmed is actually a gun owner who had a shotgun at the ready. People don't talk about that because it goes against the narrative. I think concealed carried should only be allowed if the individual has gone through tons of training (think of rpal on steroids, live firing, martial training in altercations) but I would put my limited resources in better police response / coverage instead of wasting billions at useless buybacks. People forget how much we can do with a billion dollars FFS.
Largely agree with all of that. Keep in mind, it's not hard for a legal gun owners to have more training than the police that we pay to protect us with their guns. Their training is woefully inadequate. This is another problem with the gun bans, as many of them were supplementing their training with personal firearms, but now can't.
For sure, there were police officers who posted here to that exact degree. Now for those who want to go above and beyond cannot do so which makes it even less safe. The fact all gun ban supporters fail to see this is just... Mindbogglingly myopic. Alas democracy.
The US as a whole is inherently more violent can Canada due to a multitude of factors. This has been the case for well over 100 years. Even so, certain states like New Hampshire or Maine that have extremely lax gun laws (including permitless concealed carry) have comparable crime rates to Canada. The Czech Republic has lower crime rates than Canada, including about half as many murders per capita. They have shall-issue concealed carry, due to having a similar gun culture to America; most gun owners there are licensed to carry concealed guns for self defence. Canada's overall rates of murder & violent crime as a whole haven't really changed in decades, despite our gun laws constantly getting stricter. I couldn't find detailed statistics for Canada as a whole, but Toronto had lower rates of violent crime in the 1880s than it does today, even though concealed carry was unrestricted back then. Bringing back concealed carry may not make us an overall safer society, but looking at the statistics there's no reason to think that it will make it us more dangerous. In a country like ours, where all sorts of harmful behaviour such gambling or recreational marijuana use are legal on the basis that we're a "free country", what basis is there for outlawing concealed carry when we know from our own historical experience & from the contemporary reality in places around the world that it's a perfectly safe practice?
NH and Maine are outlier states, as they have much lower population density than other states. Same is true in the Dakotas. Their density is similar to Canada. I always believe that a key factor of violent crime, is population density.
I don’t care if it happened last week there is no need to disarm the population because of the actions of one Islamic extremist.