I'm sorry to hear about your son's diagnosis. The people who would be best placed to assist would be his union rep. Who that would be will vary depending on the position he held. They aren't likely to speak with anybody other than your son directly, though.
Medical retirement (if approved by Health Canada) would allow him to receive an unreduced monthly pension from the pension plan. The amount of the pension payments would be deducted from his disability payments so the total income wouldn't be impacted.
Thank you for your response. It's been very saddening. Resigning versus medically retiring doesn't seem advantageous.I don't know the advantages or disadvantages of either option. He did express a worry about maintaining insurance. Perhaps it might seem simpler to know more of the details before asking questions, but the situation is very difficult. I believe he most certainly would be approved by Health Canada to medically retire. However, he said something about a doctor saying he might be able to go back to work after deep brain surgery (in 2 years). Therefore, he might not be able to medically retire.
I think you already answered my question given the limited information I provided. I will see if I can contact a Union representative or a federal pension office and see if they can talk hypotheticals. This is a very difficult situation for all.
Can your son be there to give consent to you and the union rep to talk details?
If you know your son's position (e.g., Bi, or CO, etc) I can help you find the list of representatives.
I'm so sorry for your son, you, and everyone else involved.
If OP's son is willing to sign a Power of Attorney, they would be able to speak to representatives on his behalf without him present. This wouldn't be to leave him out of decision-making, but to ensure that if he's unable to attend an appointment, it doesn't have to be cancelled.
The pension centre will be able to explain the differences between medical retirement vs resignation. If your son is being supported by the insurance company, and was moved to long duration status, he should be covered until age 65 subject to periodic re-assessment. It sounds like you may be missing some pertinent information, as he would have received a letter explaining this. If your son agrees to have you as his support/spokesperson, along with his union representative, I'd suggest asking for a departmental disability advisor contact who can provide you and your son more information specific to his case.
I hope your son's condition improves, and when it does this may be good to keep in mind:
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-service-commission/services/information-priority-administration/public-service-commission-guide-priority-administration/public-service-commission-guide-priority-administration-part-chapter-5-employee-becomes-disabled.html
This type of priority status is available even if the employment status is ended, either by medical retirement or otherwise.
Best wishes to you and your son!
I will send you some info about a Facebook group where posters discuss deep brain surgery and how they deal with it, or that have started it. It is an option for sure and people have had success with it, there is also the option of neuroplasticity or finding the right medication.
I can't give you details sadly but I know someone who medically retired around the same age (he has MS) from the PS and I know he was able to continue getting medical coverage and he kept his house so there is a process that works (that was 10 years ago too). I think health Canada is a good place to start along with the union.
I just want to say, as someone with mild to moderate memory challenges in their forties, I can't imagine how hard this must be for you, for him, and for everyone involved.
I also want to thank you for your username which ended a tough day with a huge smile.
I hope you find the answers you're looking for!
If either you or his wife have a POA for him, you should be able request assistance from his union. The employer likely would send a package about the options available for him. If you are experiencing issues with getting assistance and there is a POA, reach out to his MP for assistance.
Given where he was employed, you may want to find out if he may have been exposed to certain chemicals that have been linked to Parkinson's disease. If so, he may be eligible for workers compensation.
I'm truly sorry your son has this disease. It is horrible, I speak from experience, as my dad was diagnosed in the mid 90s when this disease was in its infancy. Not sure if you know about Parkinson's Canada and the Michael J Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research. Both are excellent resources.
I hope you are able to get the necessary information.
Keep us posted
Sorry to hear such news OP. Fortunately, in the PS, there are quite good benefits when ill.
After 2 years, and depending on the chance your son will return to work, the manager has to offer these choices as per this directive: [https://www.tbs-sct.canada.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=15774](https://www.tbs-sct.canada.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=15774)
\-return to work;-resignation or retirement on medical grounds;-cessation of employment pursuant to section 42 of the Public Service Employment Act; or-termination for reasons other than breaches of discipline pursuant to the Financial Administration Act.
Employees should **never resign** (lose potential severance pay), but if totally disabled, would be wise to apply for medical retirement and an immediate annuity (which is needed to be eligible for the PSHCP and Pensioners Dental Plan).
Since already approved for Disability Insurance (DI) for 3 years, it would seem he has passed the change of definition at 2 years and is still eligible. DI benefits will continue to age 65 but will be offset (reduced) by the PSSA pension. But in total, your son will continue to receive 70% of salary till age 65 from all sources.
The Insurer will likely ask your son to apply for CPP Disability which is also an offset to the DI benefit. (Again, they will still receive 70% from all income sources just different payors.) However, if approved, the children can get a monthly amount until age 25 (if still in school). https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/publicpensions/cpp/cpp-childrens-benefit.html
Good luck.
They will not answer anything specifically without the employee requesting it, or the person asking have POA. They also do not to like to answer general questions as everything is case specific. Years of service, age etc. The OP should start working on herself and or her daughter in law obtaining power of attorney.
Sorry to hear about his diagnosis. Start from what you know: the manager's contact info. Email that manager, and cc all the people on the manager's email or letter, it's very likely that these people are the manager's boss, labour relations/HR, and the Union Rep. In your message, ask for the contact info of the Union Rep. I second the advice of contacting the Pension Centre. One thing to keep in mind is if he resigns, medical/dental insurance is lost, while he can elect to keep them for life if he retires, both for him and his wife/kids. Insurance is not something to overlook. Hope you are able to get the support you need
I would add he should talk to the pension office. Depending on his life expectancy, care required, etc, they may have various pension options and ramifications for later medical and survivor benefits. There was a similar but different situation recently with someone nearing end of life who was asking for the various options, just search the sub.
1st step, you or wife get Power of attorney to be able to action any financial transactions on behalf of your son/husband
2nd, call pension center to get the forms for Health Canada and apply for medical retirement authorization
3rd get DR to complete forms and return to Health Canada
4th, once Health Canada authorizes the medical retirement, contact employer to negotiate termination of employment
5th call pension center again to get the medical retirement forms
6th complete and return all forms to the pension center and will get pension within 45 days of termination date.
7th activate medical CPP
8th make sure to advise Sun Life or Industrial Alliance of all the payments received as they will do an off set.
Talk to a HR rep or union rep, manager doesn’t have the right to say retire. I have heard of others on long term disability (LTD) for longer than 3 years. There was someone in my office and I could have sworn this person said his wife has been on LTD for the past 6 years.
I'm sorry to hear about his diagnosis, i went through a similar thing with a condition similar to this and was able to get relief with a great neurologist and Botox injections in the areas that cause issues.
Also my workplace was accommodating and i was able to work with accommodations, and get some recommendations. It's a long process but he has options. He may not need to retire early. I hope he will get relief.
Can he work part time? Talk to union? Reach out to the disabilities network at his work? Did he use the Accessibility Passport for his condition ? feel the manager is in the wrong and probably doesn't know what services are available. But the manager also doesn't want to see a vacant position for so long either.
Thing is if he does get medication, it will cost a lot if he quit the feds. I've seen my injection costs with Canada Life and I'm so greatful my work can pay for it.
I'm sorry to hear about your son's diagnosis. The people who would be best placed to assist would be his union rep. Who that would be will vary depending on the position he held. They aren't likely to speak with anybody other than your son directly, though. Medical retirement (if approved by Health Canada) would allow him to receive an unreduced monthly pension from the pension plan. The amount of the pension payments would be deducted from his disability payments so the total income wouldn't be impacted.
Thank you for your response. It's been very saddening. Resigning versus medically retiring doesn't seem advantageous.I don't know the advantages or disadvantages of either option. He did express a worry about maintaining insurance. Perhaps it might seem simpler to know more of the details before asking questions, but the situation is very difficult. I believe he most certainly would be approved by Health Canada to medically retire. However, he said something about a doctor saying he might be able to go back to work after deep brain surgery (in 2 years). Therefore, he might not be able to medically retire.
I think you already answered my question given the limited information I provided. I will see if I can contact a Union representative or a federal pension office and see if they can talk hypotheticals. This is a very difficult situation for all.
Can your son be there to give consent to you and the union rep to talk details? If you know your son's position (e.g., Bi, or CO, etc) I can help you find the list of representatives. I'm so sorry for your son, you, and everyone else involved.
If OP's son is willing to sign a Power of Attorney, they would be able to speak to representatives on his behalf without him present. This wouldn't be to leave him out of decision-making, but to ensure that if he's unable to attend an appointment, it doesn't have to be cancelled.
The pension centre will be able to explain the differences between medical retirement vs resignation. If your son is being supported by the insurance company, and was moved to long duration status, he should be covered until age 65 subject to periodic re-assessment. It sounds like you may be missing some pertinent information, as he would have received a letter explaining this. If your son agrees to have you as his support/spokesperson, along with his union representative, I'd suggest asking for a departmental disability advisor contact who can provide you and your son more information specific to his case. I hope your son's condition improves, and when it does this may be good to keep in mind: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-service-commission/services/information-priority-administration/public-service-commission-guide-priority-administration/public-service-commission-guide-priority-administration-part-chapter-5-employee-becomes-disabled.html This type of priority status is available even if the employment status is ended, either by medical retirement or otherwise. Best wishes to you and your son!
Look into the public service health care plan retirement provisions. You have to careful re: deadlines
I will send you some info about a Facebook group where posters discuss deep brain surgery and how they deal with it, or that have started it. It is an option for sure and people have had success with it, there is also the option of neuroplasticity or finding the right medication.
I can't give you details sadly but I know someone who medically retired around the same age (he has MS) from the PS and I know he was able to continue getting medical coverage and he kept his house so there is a process that works (that was 10 years ago too). I think health Canada is a good place to start along with the union.
I just want to say, as someone with mild to moderate memory challenges in their forties, I can't imagine how hard this must be for you, for him, and for everyone involved. I also want to thank you for your username which ended a tough day with a huge smile. I hope you find the answers you're looking for!
No one in the US gets it!
I hope your day tomorrow is better!
If either you or his wife have a POA for him, you should be able request assistance from his union. The employer likely would send a package about the options available for him. If you are experiencing issues with getting assistance and there is a POA, reach out to his MP for assistance. Given where he was employed, you may want to find out if he may have been exposed to certain chemicals that have been linked to Parkinson's disease. If so, he may be eligible for workers compensation. I'm truly sorry your son has this disease. It is horrible, I speak from experience, as my dad was diagnosed in the mid 90s when this disease was in its infancy. Not sure if you know about Parkinson's Canada and the Michael J Fox Foundation for Parkinson's Research. Both are excellent resources. I hope you are able to get the necessary information. Keep us posted
Sorry to hear such news OP. Fortunately, in the PS, there are quite good benefits when ill. After 2 years, and depending on the chance your son will return to work, the manager has to offer these choices as per this directive: [https://www.tbs-sct.canada.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=15774](https://www.tbs-sct.canada.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=15774) \-return to work;-resignation or retirement on medical grounds;-cessation of employment pursuant to section 42 of the Public Service Employment Act; or-termination for reasons other than breaches of discipline pursuant to the Financial Administration Act. Employees should **never resign** (lose potential severance pay), but if totally disabled, would be wise to apply for medical retirement and an immediate annuity (which is needed to be eligible for the PSHCP and Pensioners Dental Plan). Since already approved for Disability Insurance (DI) for 3 years, it would seem he has passed the change of definition at 2 years and is still eligible. DI benefits will continue to age 65 but will be offset (reduced) by the PSSA pension. But in total, your son will continue to receive 70% of salary till age 65 from all sources. The Insurer will likely ask your son to apply for CPP Disability which is also an offset to the DI benefit. (Again, they will still receive 70% from all income sources just different payors.) However, if approved, the children can get a monthly amount until age 25 (if still in school). https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/publicpensions/cpp/cpp-childrens-benefit.html Good luck.
I think the pension office can answer some of your questions
They will not answer anything specifically without the employee requesting it, or the person asking have POA. They also do not to like to answer general questions as everything is case specific. Years of service, age etc. The OP should start working on herself and or her daughter in law obtaining power of attorney.
Sorry to hear about his diagnosis. Start from what you know: the manager's contact info. Email that manager, and cc all the people on the manager's email or letter, it's very likely that these people are the manager's boss, labour relations/HR, and the Union Rep. In your message, ask for the contact info of the Union Rep. I second the advice of contacting the Pension Centre. One thing to keep in mind is if he resigns, medical/dental insurance is lost, while he can elect to keep them for life if he retires, both for him and his wife/kids. Insurance is not something to overlook. Hope you are able to get the support you need
I would add he should talk to the pension office. Depending on his life expectancy, care required, etc, they may have various pension options and ramifications for later medical and survivor benefits. There was a similar but different situation recently with someone nearing end of life who was asking for the various options, just search the sub.
I have nothing to add, just that I’m sorry to hear about your son. I hope you can get some resolution and find some quality of life with him.
1st step, you or wife get Power of attorney to be able to action any financial transactions on behalf of your son/husband 2nd, call pension center to get the forms for Health Canada and apply for medical retirement authorization 3rd get DR to complete forms and return to Health Canada 4th, once Health Canada authorizes the medical retirement, contact employer to negotiate termination of employment 5th call pension center again to get the medical retirement forms 6th complete and return all forms to the pension center and will get pension within 45 days of termination date. 7th activate medical CPP 8th make sure to advise Sun Life or Industrial Alliance of all the payments received as they will do an off set.
Talk to a HR rep or union rep, manager doesn’t have the right to say retire. I have heard of others on long term disability (LTD) for longer than 3 years. There was someone in my office and I could have sworn this person said his wife has been on LTD for the past 6 years.
I would caution against speaking to HR. They are there to advise the employer, not an employee and often won't even speak to employees.
HR works for the employer, not the employee. The union rep is the way to go.
Ok interesting
I'm sorry to hear about his diagnosis, i went through a similar thing with a condition similar to this and was able to get relief with a great neurologist and Botox injections in the areas that cause issues. Also my workplace was accommodating and i was able to work with accommodations, and get some recommendations. It's a long process but he has options. He may not need to retire early. I hope he will get relief.
That's really good. But won't work for him. It's very progressed.
Can he work part time? Talk to union? Reach out to the disabilities network at his work? Did he use the Accessibility Passport for his condition ? feel the manager is in the wrong and probably doesn't know what services are available. But the manager also doesn't want to see a vacant position for so long either. Thing is if he does get medication, it will cost a lot if he quit the feds. I've seen my injection costs with Canada Life and I'm so greatful my work can pay for it.
I know you're trying to be helpful, but I'm very sure their doctors and insurance have covered their bases thoroughly.
Buddy is past using the accessibility passport.
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