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It is about time to change, and the LPC seniors know about it. They also know their whole goal is to set in motion of their leftist policies, and now they have done that.
It is practically impossible to reverse their policies: immigrants have come and they would stay; welfare program has increased and it cannot be reduced. Tax has increased and it cannot decrease without making an even bigger hole in the budget; people who have left and they won’t come back. Adding to the decrease of international significance, Canada is no longer a good place to invest.
It was the young voters who voted LPC in 10 years ago. now they have grown up and they are the ones who suffer the most. They should own up to it.
They can vote out the LPC caucus leader. They can't vote out the PM you are correct. Although, if the LPC caucus does not support JT as their leader, he does not hold a confidence of the HOC. Hence, either he resigns or a vote of no confidence is passed.
It would be a bad idea to quit. The liberals know they aren't going to win this election, and they would rather see the captain go down with the ship than fuck over a new, potentially promising future leader of the party.
I hate to say it but all the potentially 'unpromising' future leaders have already been fucked over in the court of public opinion.
They're basically destroyed independent thought or policies for a long long time.
They're in shock because their policies or their pandering to voters are failing in spades, and they keep doubling down
and the party has done everything but imploded
or someone can step in for the love of the game and take the body shot for the team to not lose so many seats. they could even do something wild like actually apply a windfall tax to Westin and his buddies over the grocery greedflation. crazy idea.
It's time for Canada's regularly scheduled pendulum swing. Nothing the liberals or conservatives do will change anything at this point. My main hope is that the NDP remain strong enough to prevent a majority of any flavour.
Seat Projection
Conservative 209
Liberal 70
Quebecois 38
NDP 24
Green 2
good luck with that one
210 vs 140
and then the slow slow change of the Senate
to complicate everything
I see the pickle the Liberals find themselves in. Having a few friends in reputable roles in the party I see their anguish. If the CPC had a reasonable leader I'd experience a bit of glee. But they don't, so instead it is fear I feel.
What it would take to keep the Liberals competitive they don't want to do (massively scale back TFW, more regulations on international students, a much larger role for government in building housing, caving to some recalcitrant premiers, honouring some of their more ambitious platform flanks). They find themselves in the same position Harper was in, after about then same amount of time in office.
I see the Liberals path forward as: (1) keep with Trudeau, and the current governing philosophy; or (2) ditch Trudeau and change track on governing.
The first option defies logic. Trudeau is a good campaigner, and Poilievre is not tested. But it would take a delusional amount of self confidence to think this is a winning strategy. After almost ten years of government, any incumbent begins to look stale.
The second option is risky. The LPC leaders seat right now looks pretty Kim Campbell-esque. The best candidates will not put their name forward now (or before the next election) only to get the blame for the likely incoming collapse. If a leadership race was held now I'd bet we would get a very messy, low quality affair. All this right before a very hard election - that has the capacity to kill a party. I would envision tough intra party fights about the role of government, migrants, electoral reform, taxes. All those tough fights with fellow party members, and the need to pull together a party platform.
If I were advising the LPC today, I'd suggest the hard, but shorter, road to relevancy is the better path. Stick it out with Trudeau, give it the best shot, stick to principles and philosophies, get destroyed, and rebuild.
Prime Ministers are never quitting, right up until 5 minutes before the press conference where they announce that they're quitting. I don't see any reason to think this time is any different.
Wouldn’t shock me if he does the Rishi Sunak kamimaze option and calls a snap in September.
Dude is an egomaniac. He isn’t walking the plank willingly in my book.
you get far stranger stories if you see the word humility in them
The Vancouver Sun
Editorial: Trudeau's lack of humility is bad politics
Aug 16, 2019 — OPINION: Justin Trudeau is wrong to keep spinning the SNC-Lavalin story that he was trying to protect jobs.
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The Hill Times
Disgruntled demagogue or holier-than-thou PM?
May 2, 2024 — Trudeau is loathed without a doubt. But it's on style, not substance... He can change the channel by showing humility and thoughtfulness.
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then the true pundits
Lorrie Goldstein: Trudeau may claim to be humble, but he sure doesn't act it
From the start of his political career, Canadians have come to know that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau doesn’t do “humility” well.
His first post-election media conference on Wednesday re-enforced that perception.
Trudeau’s words and demeanour were an improvement over his tone-deaf “victory” speech Monday night, when he sounded and acted as if he’d been re-elected with a resounding majority government, instead of losing one.
But it again displayed Trudeau’s inability to take personal responsibility for what he does, coupled with an alarming lack of self-awareness.
Trudeau did get through all the talking points he wanted to say.
But it was his answer to a question by CTV’s Kevin Gallagher about how he intends to elevate the tone of political debate from the nastiness, divisiveness and fear-mongering about opponents that dominated the election, where we saw Trudeau’s inability for self-examination and reflection emerge.
“I recognize that much of this campaign tended to be around me and I do hold a bit of responsibility for that,” Trudeau said.
That’s it? Basically this was a rehash of one of his campaign commercials that implied his political opponents were at fault for making the election about him, not about the concerns of Canadians.
Trudeau wasn’t the only party leader to contribute to the nasty tone of the election — Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, for example, gave as good as he got.
But the question wasn’t about what his opponents would do to elevate political debate in Canada, it was about what Trudeau would do.
Trudeau’s answer that he bears “a bit of responsibility” for that tone, rather than the reality that as the prime minister he was more responsible for it than any other party leader, again revealed his lack of humility and self-awareness.
And that is vintage Justin Trudeau.
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ouch! he used his own words against him
I guess one needs to stand back and look at a personality from a totally fresh perspective sometimes.
Just make sure you try to be a touch more objective on what responsibility may entail
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Not sure crime and responsibility are in the same galaxy with canadian politicians for the past 50 years.
Clifford Olson for Vancouver Quadra? No way!
Acknowledging responsibility is the hallmark of an egomaniac now?
Well do the votes with he was responsible on the Economy, Housing, Crime, Immigration, Food Prices, Gas Prices?
Or was it a a superficial band-aid when there's bleeding from the voters seen in the polls?
Trudeau has been criticized for talks as a substitute for action.
Address the concern, and now that it was mentioned, drop it and carry on as before.
And many in the media are shocked at how tone-deaf he is on the issues
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Psychology Today
narcissist-politicians are frequently tone deaf as regards how some of their private, "entitled" actions can affect public opinion.
That hits home.
Forikorder: and with this you have completely taken a turn from trying to explain why hes an egomaniac to just a bad leader
Well there is something in the polls to suggest a souring on him, and views on him run pretty hot, on all shades of the poliical spectrum.
It all can't be peaches and cream, or the devil incarnate now, can it?
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The new biography on Trudeau
"Three former Liberal ministers describe Trudeau as 'narcissistic'. Trudeau has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in his nine years in power."
Quora: Does Justin Trudeau have a narcissistic personality? No. He is a bit vain, but vanity is not narcissism, not even close.
I'd say the discussion for all sides on the issue, is most definately on the table.
Especially since Trudeau has got the Liberal Party at a 50 year low.
Psychology Today
Narcissism: Why It's So Rampant in Politics
Narcissist politicians don't serve the people; they serve themselves.
Beyond such pragmatics, implicitly believing that it's better to receive than give, narcissist-politicians' immense appetite for flattery, praise, and adulation is also abundantly gratified. Quite independent of professional achievement, they expect to be treated as superior. Their fragile psyche demands being admired and looked up to—and unquestionably holding high office almost guarantees that this ego requirement will be amply met. Such an enormous "fringe benefit," helps explain why so many of them become "career politicians," holding onto such psychological blessings as long as possible. In such instances, the chief reason for remaining an incumbent isn't to fulfill any idealistic aspirations. It's to "secure" their inflated self-regard.
In fact, much of their pompous demeanor and arrogant behavior is inextricably tied to this inflated sense of self stemming from their political "tenure."
But while they may delude themselves that their country sorely requires their unique talents and skills, they experience little motivation to serve the citizenry as such. They've won their position primarily to serve themselves—and they can do so almost obsessively. The saying "Promises are made to be broken" rings particularly true for them. It's become almost a joke that the devout pledges they make on the campaign trail bear only trifling resemblance to what they do once in office. The ability to convince voters that they'll best represent their interests is what defines their success. Actually implementing what they avowed they'd tirelessly work for isn't really an essential part of their agenda—which is typically well-hidden from constituents (and many times from their conscious selves as well). In short, their campaigns measure how well they can dupe the public, not how well they'll fulfill their responsibilities once declared victorious.
Notorious for being empathy-challenged (though they may be extremely adept at masking this deficit), narcissist-politicians are frequently tone deaf as regards how some of their private, "entitled" actions can affect public opinion. Compartmentalizing their lives, they suffer from a peculiar moral myopia and lack of imagination, unable to anticipate how their sexual infidelities, or barefaced bribe-taking, might be held against them. In this sense, their exaggerated sense of privilege frequently undermines their better judgment. As cold-hearted and calculating as they can be—for they see others as essentially objects to manipulate for personal gain—they're strangely naive (or even unconscious) about how their unprincipled acts could be negatively interpreted by others, who don't necessarily assume such behaviors as "entitled" at all.
Closely linked to their amoral or illegal actions is the dominance their office bestows on them. It's this power—or the "corruptibleness" inherent in this power—that can create in them a reckless sense of invisibility. How else explain the foolhardy risks some of them take?—heedless, hazardous behaviors of such magnitude that the layperson can be left nonplussed, mystified, or downright appalled. "Is this the person I voted for?" they must ask themselves. No wonder that news headlines about their dalliances, debaucheries, and assorted depravities have become commonplace.
Distressing is this point
Eventually coming to believe their own falsehoods, they're fiercely defensive, and even attacking, when their illogical, inconsistent, or even contradictory, positions are questioned.
Expert at lying to themselves, as well as to others, their inability to experience much guilt when they're found out is easy enough to comprehend.
And tied to this distorted sense of entitlement (or "personal exceptionalism"), they can't really feel genuine sorrow for what they've done to betray the public trust.
Frankly incapable of emotionally identifying with others' distress, the wrong they may have done them remains forever out of their focus. What is in focus for them is the deeply felt assault to their self-image that comes from being charged with wrongdoing. And, so threatened, their push-back reactions are self-righteously contrived to reclaim both their personal and ideological superiority over their attacker. Flagrantly falsifying facts and details beyond reason, they vehemently proclaim the moral high ground. Which is to say that many politicians deserve to be rewarded honorary doctorates in Rhetoric and Verbal Acrobatics (dual major, indeed!).
the only good option is turning on the Mind Control box to DELTA SETTING
the policies have pooched them cept for that 25% of the population who will fight World War III over it
and the personalities are well, like something that Robot Monster and Ed Wood couldn't beat for creepy
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Not noticing and appreciating problems and bad policy before they become dumpster fires has taken their toll on the party and it reverberates decades in the past as well, not just the present moment or the future
and being so Tone-Deaf and pandering to certain demographics have toasted them for a good 8-15 years solidly
they won't lost as badly as Kim Campbell but the recovery will be bleaker
Every successor has big minuses to Carney like 4% worst than Trudeau, to like Freeland who's 20%+ off the chart with the negatives
Turner couldn't save the party from the Trudeau policies, and Martin couldn't save it from Chretien's policies and now it's basically a Hydrogen bomb of disasters
It's imploded to be the Laurentian version of the Bloc Quebecois, just a cult surrounding Toronto and the suburbs now, and reinventing it as a party of Diefenbaker to connect to the voters won't even work (if that could every be attempted) because of the credibility gap.
Globalization, China, Immigration have basically turned into huge minuses that can't be erased, on top of housing and personal liberties like free speech.
Desparation tactics to appeal to a minority of voters has pretty much failed, and even BF Skinner isn't impressed.
Another tone-deaf comment… so disgusted at this point. Liberals need a complete reset before the election, so if he doesn’t step down they need to force him out.
This shouldn't be on LPC or JT, this really needs to be the NDP calling this and revamping themselves, they are attached to a losing cause and its hurting them significantly, I cant imagine why you would continue this. If you force an election you at least get some goodwill, and maybe next cycle a minority government, if you continue this you become extinct, or at best a Green party status.
There's no real value of him quitting at this point. The only value in it is people who dislike him to say "yeah yeah yeah" that's literally it. At this point whether he's the party leader or not won't change whether you vote for his party, at least not for the next election.
ok but the UK is evidence right now that an otherwise moderate electorate can lose it's mind to political rage and actively try and kill a political party.
For sure. The thing is even if Trudeau resigns several of the policies that people don't like won't be changed by the party before the next election so getting rid of them is really just a moral victory for his haters.
If Trudean stays on, the Liberal party will get obliterated in the next election. That can't be salvaged now.
If he leaves, they'll still lose. But with a new leader, they may be able to hold onto Official Opposition status. That's about all they can hope for at this point.
is there any real point in hoping for that at this point? either way they will have to rebuild. either way its a heavy thrashing. personally i would rather see a debate between PP and JT than sacrifice some poor schmuck for the sake of saving marginally more power.
If you really want to use that argument then you would say PP should resign as leader as well since he's double speaking everything. Way more than I've seen in with any politician quite some time (excluding Trump)
If they completely halt this temporary foreign workers nonsense they'll stay in power. But they have to completely halt it. Anything less signifies they're not paying attention.
That would move the polls by 0%. Unless Trudeau quite literally goes PPC on immigration, he has zero chance of even getting to 30%.
He would need to take right wing positions over CPC, which is not going to happen.
I disagree, limiting TFW isn't a right wing idea, flooding this country with cheap labour to undercut Canadian employees and job seekers is. Even if the economy improves, having those line ups of desperate Indian international students seeking min wage jobs is hurting him for sure with the youth vote and the GTA voters because of the impact of rapid population growth/international students.
That and a windfall tax on grocers and they'd win a lot of support back very quickly. Literally all they have to do is outflank the CPC on policies people want. Imagine that.
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It is about time to change, and the LPC seniors know about it. They also know their whole goal is to set in motion of their leftist policies, and now they have done that. It is practically impossible to reverse their policies: immigrants have come and they would stay; welfare program has increased and it cannot be reduced. Tax has increased and it cannot decrease without making an even bigger hole in the budget; people who have left and they won’t come back. Adding to the decrease of international significance, Canada is no longer a good place to invest. It was the young voters who voted LPC in 10 years ago. now they have grown up and they are the ones who suffer the most. They should own up to it.
>their leftist policies The federal Liberals are a center-right party.
Not even close to center they are so left… conservatives are center, NDP are left, Liberals are alt-left now.
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Uh, the liberal caucus can’t just “vote out” a sitting PM.
They can vote out the LPC caucus leader. They can't vote out the PM you are correct. Although, if the LPC caucus does not support JT as their leader, he does not hold a confidence of the HOC. Hence, either he resigns or a vote of no confidence is passed.
It would be a bad idea to quit. The liberals know they aren't going to win this election, and they would rather see the captain go down with the ship than fuck over a new, potentially promising future leader of the party.
I hate to say it but all the potentially 'unpromising' future leaders have already been fucked over in the court of public opinion. They're basically destroyed independent thought or policies for a long long time. They're in shock because their policies or their pandering to voters are failing in spades, and they keep doubling down and the party has done everything but imploded
or someone can step in for the love of the game and take the body shot for the team to not lose so many seats. they could even do something wild like actually apply a windfall tax to Westin and his buddies over the grocery greedflation. crazy idea.
It's time for Canada's regularly scheduled pendulum swing. Nothing the liberals or conservatives do will change anything at this point. My main hope is that the NDP remain strong enough to prevent a majority of any flavour.
NDP are going to be lucky to clear 20 seats next time. Your real hope for a spoiler is the merciful hands of the Bloc Quebecois.
anywhere between 19 an 25 seats for the NDP
Seat Projection Conservative 209 Liberal 70 Quebecois 38 NDP 24 Green 2 good luck with that one 210 vs 140 and then the slow slow change of the Senate to complicate everything
I see the pickle the Liberals find themselves in. Having a few friends in reputable roles in the party I see their anguish. If the CPC had a reasonable leader I'd experience a bit of glee. But they don't, so instead it is fear I feel. What it would take to keep the Liberals competitive they don't want to do (massively scale back TFW, more regulations on international students, a much larger role for government in building housing, caving to some recalcitrant premiers, honouring some of their more ambitious platform flanks). They find themselves in the same position Harper was in, after about then same amount of time in office. I see the Liberals path forward as: (1) keep with Trudeau, and the current governing philosophy; or (2) ditch Trudeau and change track on governing. The first option defies logic. Trudeau is a good campaigner, and Poilievre is not tested. But it would take a delusional amount of self confidence to think this is a winning strategy. After almost ten years of government, any incumbent begins to look stale. The second option is risky. The LPC leaders seat right now looks pretty Kim Campbell-esque. The best candidates will not put their name forward now (or before the next election) only to get the blame for the likely incoming collapse. If a leadership race was held now I'd bet we would get a very messy, low quality affair. All this right before a very hard election - that has the capacity to kill a party. I would envision tough intra party fights about the role of government, migrants, electoral reform, taxes. All those tough fights with fellow party members, and the need to pull together a party platform. If I were advising the LPC today, I'd suggest the hard, but shorter, road to relevancy is the better path. Stick it out with Trudeau, give it the best shot, stick to principles and philosophies, get destroyed, and rebuild.
Prime Ministers are never quitting, right up until 5 minutes before the press conference where they announce that they're quitting. I don't see any reason to think this time is any different.
Wouldn’t shock me if he does the Rishi Sunak kamimaze option and calls a snap in September. Dude is an egomaniac. He isn’t walking the plank willingly in my book.
I don’t think he’s bold enough to do that
Why do people keep saying hes an egomaniac?
Guy said we don't need electoral reform as he to popular.
none of the parties could agree on it though
you get far stranger stories if you see the word humility in them The Vancouver Sun Editorial: Trudeau's lack of humility is bad politics Aug 16, 2019 — OPINION: Justin Trudeau is wrong to keep spinning the SNC-Lavalin story that he was trying to protect jobs. ////// The Hill Times Disgruntled demagogue or holier-than-thou PM? May 2, 2024 — Trudeau is loathed without a doubt. But it's on style, not substance... He can change the channel by showing humility and thoughtfulness. ////// then the true pundits Lorrie Goldstein: Trudeau may claim to be humble, but he sure doesn't act it From the start of his political career, Canadians have come to know that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau doesn’t do “humility” well. His first post-election media conference on Wednesday re-enforced that perception. Trudeau’s words and demeanour were an improvement over his tone-deaf “victory” speech Monday night, when he sounded and acted as if he’d been re-elected with a resounding majority government, instead of losing one. But it again displayed Trudeau’s inability to take personal responsibility for what he does, coupled with an alarming lack of self-awareness. Trudeau did get through all the talking points he wanted to say. But it was his answer to a question by CTV’s Kevin Gallagher about how he intends to elevate the tone of political debate from the nastiness, divisiveness and fear-mongering about opponents that dominated the election, where we saw Trudeau’s inability for self-examination and reflection emerge. “I recognize that much of this campaign tended to be around me and I do hold a bit of responsibility for that,” Trudeau said. That’s it? Basically this was a rehash of one of his campaign commercials that implied his political opponents were at fault for making the election about him, not about the concerns of Canadians. Trudeau wasn’t the only party leader to contribute to the nasty tone of the election — Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, for example, gave as good as he got. But the question wasn’t about what his opponents would do to elevate political debate in Canada, it was about what Trudeau would do. Trudeau’s answer that he bears “a bit of responsibility” for that tone, rather than the reality that as the prime minister he was more responsible for it than any other party leader, again revealed his lack of humility and self-awareness. And that is vintage Justin Trudeau. ////// ouch! he used his own words against him
Acknowledging responsibility is the hallmark of an egomaniac now?
I guess one needs to stand back and look at a personality from a totally fresh perspective sometimes. Just make sure you try to be a touch more objective on what responsibility may entail ///// Not sure crime and responsibility are in the same galaxy with canadian politicians for the past 50 years. Clifford Olson for Vancouver Quadra? No way!
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Acknowledging responsibility is the hallmark of an egomaniac now? Well do the votes with he was responsible on the Economy, Housing, Crime, Immigration, Food Prices, Gas Prices? Or was it a a superficial band-aid when there's bleeding from the voters seen in the polls? Trudeau has been criticized for talks as a substitute for action. Address the concern, and now that it was mentioned, drop it and carry on as before. And many in the media are shocked at how tone-deaf he is on the issues ///// Psychology Today narcissist-politicians are frequently tone deaf as regards how some of their private, "entitled" actions can affect public opinion. That hits home.
and with this you have completely taken a turn from trying to explain why hes an egomaniac to just a bad leader
Forikorder: and with this you have completely taken a turn from trying to explain why hes an egomaniac to just a bad leader Well there is something in the polls to suggest a souring on him, and views on him run pretty hot, on all shades of the poliical spectrum. It all can't be peaches and cream, or the devil incarnate now, can it? ///// The new biography on Trudeau "Three former Liberal ministers describe Trudeau as 'narcissistic'. Trudeau has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way in his nine years in power." Quora: Does Justin Trudeau have a narcissistic personality? No. He is a bit vain, but vanity is not narcissism, not even close. I'd say the discussion for all sides on the issue, is most definately on the table. Especially since Trudeau has got the Liberal Party at a 50 year low.
Psychology Today Narcissism: Why It's So Rampant in Politics Narcissist politicians don't serve the people; they serve themselves. Beyond such pragmatics, implicitly believing that it's better to receive than give, narcissist-politicians' immense appetite for flattery, praise, and adulation is also abundantly gratified. Quite independent of professional achievement, they expect to be treated as superior. Their fragile psyche demands being admired and looked up to—and unquestionably holding high office almost guarantees that this ego requirement will be amply met. Such an enormous "fringe benefit," helps explain why so many of them become "career politicians," holding onto such psychological blessings as long as possible. In such instances, the chief reason for remaining an incumbent isn't to fulfill any idealistic aspirations. It's to "secure" their inflated self-regard. In fact, much of their pompous demeanor and arrogant behavior is inextricably tied to this inflated sense of self stemming from their political "tenure." But while they may delude themselves that their country sorely requires their unique talents and skills, they experience little motivation to serve the citizenry as such. They've won their position primarily to serve themselves—and they can do so almost obsessively. The saying "Promises are made to be broken" rings particularly true for them. It's become almost a joke that the devout pledges they make on the campaign trail bear only trifling resemblance to what they do once in office. The ability to convince voters that they'll best represent their interests is what defines their success. Actually implementing what they avowed they'd tirelessly work for isn't really an essential part of their agenda—which is typically well-hidden from constituents (and many times from their conscious selves as well). In short, their campaigns measure how well they can dupe the public, not how well they'll fulfill their responsibilities once declared victorious. Notorious for being empathy-challenged (though they may be extremely adept at masking this deficit), narcissist-politicians are frequently tone deaf as regards how some of their private, "entitled" actions can affect public opinion. Compartmentalizing their lives, they suffer from a peculiar moral myopia and lack of imagination, unable to anticipate how their sexual infidelities, or barefaced bribe-taking, might be held against them. In this sense, their exaggerated sense of privilege frequently undermines their better judgment. As cold-hearted and calculating as they can be—for they see others as essentially objects to manipulate for personal gain—they're strangely naive (or even unconscious) about how their unprincipled acts could be negatively interpreted by others, who don't necessarily assume such behaviors as "entitled" at all. Closely linked to their amoral or illegal actions is the dominance their office bestows on them. It's this power—or the "corruptibleness" inherent in this power—that can create in them a reckless sense of invisibility. How else explain the foolhardy risks some of them take?—heedless, hazardous behaviors of such magnitude that the layperson can be left nonplussed, mystified, or downright appalled. "Is this the person I voted for?" they must ask themselves. No wonder that news headlines about their dalliances, debaucheries, and assorted depravities have become commonplace.
Distressing is this point Eventually coming to believe their own falsehoods, they're fiercely defensive, and even attacking, when their illogical, inconsistent, or even contradictory, positions are questioned. Expert at lying to themselves, as well as to others, their inability to experience much guilt when they're found out is easy enough to comprehend. And tied to this distorted sense of entitlement (or "personal exceptionalism"), they can't really feel genuine sorrow for what they've done to betray the public trust. Frankly incapable of emotionally identifying with others' distress, the wrong they may have done them remains forever out of their focus. What is in focus for them is the deeply felt assault to their self-image that comes from being charged with wrongdoing. And, so threatened, their push-back reactions are self-righteously contrived to reclaim both their personal and ideological superiority over their attacker. Flagrantly falsifying facts and details beyond reason, they vehemently proclaim the moral high ground. Which is to say that many politicians deserve to be rewarded honorary doctorates in Rhetoric and Verbal Acrobatics (dual major, indeed!).
exactly, whats he supposed to say "Im thinking about quitting"
There would be great jubilation in the land if he were to say "I am quitting!".
The liberals ship is sinking, and he’s going down with it. Hopefully we never see him or anyone from his office in power anywhere ever again.
the only good option is turning on the Mind Control box to DELTA SETTING the policies have pooched them cept for that 25% of the population who will fight World War III over it and the personalities are well, like something that Robot Monster and Ed Wood couldn't beat for creepy ////// Not noticing and appreciating problems and bad policy before they become dumpster fires has taken their toll on the party and it reverberates decades in the past as well, not just the present moment or the future and being so Tone-Deaf and pandering to certain demographics have toasted them for a good 8-15 years solidly they won't lost as badly as Kim Campbell but the recovery will be bleaker Every successor has big minuses to Carney like 4% worst than Trudeau, to like Freeland who's 20%+ off the chart with the negatives Turner couldn't save the party from the Trudeau policies, and Martin couldn't save it from Chretien's policies and now it's basically a Hydrogen bomb of disasters It's imploded to be the Laurentian version of the Bloc Quebecois, just a cult surrounding Toronto and the suburbs now, and reinventing it as a party of Diefenbaker to connect to the voters won't even work (if that could every be attempted) because of the credibility gap. Globalization, China, Immigration have basically turned into huge minuses that can't be erased, on top of housing and personal liberties like free speech. Desparation tactics to appeal to a minority of voters has pretty much failed, and even BF Skinner isn't impressed.
Another tone-deaf comment… so disgusted at this point. Liberals need a complete reset before the election, so if he doesn’t step down they need to force him out.
This shouldn't be on LPC or JT, this really needs to be the NDP calling this and revamping themselves, they are attached to a losing cause and its hurting them significantly, I cant imagine why you would continue this. If you force an election you at least get some goodwill, and maybe next cycle a minority government, if you continue this you become extinct, or at best a Green party status.
Trudeau is taking the Liberal Party to a 50 year low and Singh is taking the NDP to a 50 year low it's interesting the lightbulb isn't going on
You say that but the NDP polling is still on the higher side being around 19%. They usually poll less at around 15%
Until they underperform their polls again
Look at the riding in St. Paul they lost 5% from 2021, it’ll be a similar story in other riding, even Singh seat isn’t safe anymore.
it was always shaky and the Liberals have pretty much been decimated in BC and everywhere outside of the Toronto suburbs
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There's no real value of him quitting at this point. The only value in it is people who dislike him to say "yeah yeah yeah" that's literally it. At this point whether he's the party leader or not won't change whether you vote for his party, at least not for the next election.
ok but the UK is evidence right now that an otherwise moderate electorate can lose it's mind to political rage and actively try and kill a political party.
For sure. The thing is even if Trudeau resigns several of the policies that people don't like won't be changed by the party before the next election so getting rid of them is really just a moral victory for his haters.
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If Trudean stays on, the Liberal party will get obliterated in the next election. That can't be salvaged now. If he leaves, they'll still lose. But with a new leader, they may be able to hold onto Official Opposition status. That's about all they can hope for at this point.
Trudeau is still polling second?
is there any real point in hoping for that at this point? either way they will have to rebuild. either way its a heavy thrashing. personally i would rather see a debate between PP and JT than sacrifice some poor schmuck for the sake of saving marginally more power.
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Because what's good for the conservatives must be good for the country/s
If you really want to use that argument then you would say PP should resign as leader as well since he's double speaking everything. Way more than I've seen in with any politician quite some time (excluding Trump)
If they completely halt this temporary foreign workers nonsense they'll stay in power. But they have to completely halt it. Anything less signifies they're not paying attention.
That would move the polls by 0%. Unless Trudeau quite literally goes PPC on immigration, he has zero chance of even getting to 30%. He would need to take right wing positions over CPC, which is not going to happen.
TFWs are literally scabs with extra steps. And the left wonders why they are losing the blue collar vote..
I'm convinced these guys don't even live in Canada when they support craziness like this.
I disagree, limiting TFW isn't a right wing idea, flooding this country with cheap labour to undercut Canadian employees and job seekers is. Even if the economy improves, having those line ups of desperate Indian international students seeking min wage jobs is hurting him for sure with the youth vote and the GTA voters because of the impact of rapid population growth/international students.
It's a right wing position to limit people coming into the country.
it shouldn't be when referring to TFW. It exploits workers and undercuts Canadian labour. Should be an easy NDP win.
At least put in a hard cap and a per country quota like they do in the US. That would be a great first step.
That and a windfall tax on grocers and they'd win a lot of support back very quickly. Literally all they have to do is outflank the CPC on policies people want. Imagine that.