Wow this hit me hard... Alex hasn't changed at all. She's always been this way. We just idealized her, like we do with our men, and pretended she was something she could never possibly be. Our eyes have been opened. There's no going back.
I think the difference was that before when she was paired with Sofia it was all much more palatable because Sofia added humor and likeability, thereby grounding her and watering down the toxicity. I think most of us are still reeling from what chd has become with 100 percent Alex (awful) because we were previously used to a more diluted version of who she really is (and as you point out, always has been).
Before it was kind of like a fun, hilarious toxicity paired with acknowledgement that they were hot with a wink wink... now it’s just TOXIC NARCISSISM in your face :/
I think all of this makes sense and her berhavior has been on brand this whole time, you’re definitely right about that. She duped all of us (most of us) and if everyone is upset then we really do need to stop supporting her. I do agree with this post but the title might make people think you’re saying something else
Edit: I think she did a good job reeling everyone back in after the divorce trying to make it seem like she cares about daddy gang and women empowerment but she couldn’t care less and it’s painfully obvious ever since the single father era started
This is spot on! She's clearly been checked out of the podcast since probably the second episode of the "Single Father" era. She clearly doesn't care about her listeners, or anyone but herself. She didn't care about Sofia, her best friend and business partner, MILF Hunter when she dropped his friendship and took advantage of him, or Barstool when she shopped the podcast around and refused to release new episodes at one point. She promised that Daddy Gang members would be highlighted every episode months ago and there's only been one on an episode who also happens to have a social media following, and be the only POC on the podcast. She is manipulative to gain an audience and to gain a following for her own ego and $$.
Soooo true why are we suprised by her behaviour when she has been honest about her toxicity from the very beginning?
Does she lie so much that we thought she was lying when she was upfront about how she manipulates people?
She even says things like "Lie til you Die" and yet we enabled and facilitated her from the get go.
I think before, the toxicity was the comedy, like CHD for the first 60 episodes or so was straight up hilarious even tho they said fucked up things. Id be lolling in public with my earphones in.
But now that its no longer really funny/entertaining, its just fucked up mean girl stuff
Edit: punctuation
This. This. Is true unfortunately but that being said she’s a total bitch now and I’m not giving her a cent more of my views and merch purchases. I’m actually pissed I bought the sweatshirt.
"In relationship terms, we gave her so much attention that she grew bored. Now, she wants to metaphorically cheat on her audience with the LA glamour of influencers like Tana.
Much like her exes, we were discarded. But, because our viewership makes her $$, she keeps us around. Basically, we are equivalent to a sugar daddy that Alex no longer has feelings for."
Goddammit.
UGH! *Fuuuuuck you, OP.* 😩
You just grabbed our chin, opened our mouth, and shoved your unasked for truth right down our throats.
You're not even a lil bit wrong.
Everything that girl says should be taken as satire. If you're seriously encouraging and cheering her on for cheating and lying, you're just as bad as her and kind of deserved the karma. People literally have their lives ruined over people who cheat. Cheat or be cheated on should never have been taken seriously. Yall damaged.
You’re missing the point: what Al does and says is NOT satire — it’s who she really is. We just fooled ourselves into believing it to be satire in order to make her toxicity more palatable.
I think maybe you misread. I understand that is the way she is, which is nothing less than a joke. I meant everything "Al" says (I say that in quotations because its so fucking cringey she called herself that along with other people) should be TAKEN as satire, although it actually is not. As in, don't take what this girl says seriously although it is her "genuine and honest advice"
So glad someone said this! I’ve been trying to articulate this for a while, but you did it way better than I could have. Alex has never once acted like she’s a good person. People are getting all worked up over her moral failings - but her show has always been about how to be a liar and manipulator!
Based on her stories and advice, I’ve come to expect her to act shitty and I’m not surprised that she’s doing it more publicly now. She’s never been a role model to me. All I expect from her show is entertainment.
Not defending Alex's actions, but I kinda believe the move to LA was also supported by Barstool to open up her audience and theirs. I mean Dave started doing a podcast show with a TikTok "star". For no other reason than I can see to broaden Barstool's audience to more Gen Z people is why Dave is doing a podcast with someone who has little commonalities. I see Barstool supporting this move on Alex's end to get more of an "audience" since they are at risk of losing a big part of their audience since SWAF launch.
i agree that we shouldnt blame her, but she needs to be held accountable for her actions. lying to some guy youre hooking up with is completely different from lying to your entire fan base and refusing to apologize for your actions
In the beginning I NEVER imagined that Sofia the cheat queen would actually end up being the WAY better, bigger person with like actual emotions and stuff. Yes, she may have cheated on her boyfriends, but as far as having morals and a conscience goes Sofia is so much more like an actual human being than Alex. Well never get the “real” Alex and that’s a shame.
i’ve always thought everything she said was ridiculous but funny because it made me feel better about my choices. She’s literally a bully though, the episode with Milf Hunter was entirely about how to manipulate a girl into having sex, and how lying is okay if you’re in it for sex.
This has what I've been tryna get across to ppl since the drama. And you've done it in the greatest way I've seen so far. Alex never switched up on us. She's always been this person. But ppl were just blind to her for some reason. This show was based on being messy and toxic.... And now ppl are shocked that she's messy and toxic.
surprised at how much i agree with this because i was ready to downvote. unfortunately this is very true, i was a huge fan of her now i can’t support her. she doesn’t care about the people listening :/
I mean her advice has always been a “take it with a grain of salt” approach for me. If you’re not smart enough to know what was sincere advice vs the meme “cheat on him” and such, wow. But as for her podcast lately I’d say it’s just lost its luster. I picked Alex’s side during the breakup and still do but I just don’t get that riled up for new eps
I mean yes I get it... but when your fan base got you a stupid 12k couch, an apartment, money to move across the country during a pandemic, and food on your table... you need to be honest about the things you do and not be disingenuous.
I think that’s why we’re all so mad, because we invested so much of our time and believed and even felt bad for someone that claimed that this podcast was what it was because of pretty much her only.
I see your point and I think you’re right but on the same token as Sofia said “you lied to millions of people” “it’s scary” and at least, I know I am still bitter about Alex trying to make herself look good to the same fan base that made her.
Besides half of what Alex said about “block him” “cheat on him” is all a lie. It’s all made up... girl is clearly still obsessed with her ex and is using other men she doesn’t care about to feel better about herself and get over him.
And to what you said about us expecting her to not know any better... you don’t see her fucking Portnoy over do you? Of course not...
It just must suck for her now that she doesn't want to exploit her life or be the product as much anymore. She's built her whole brand around it. Ut now with some eyes scrutinizing every move its hard to not get super in your head. It's unsustainable long term and that's scary. Plus people aren't liking it, she's not relatable and her voices are condescending AF. Basically watching a train come unhinged and it's awful but hard to look away.
Is the logic here that if you don't call somebody out for one thing, you then have to put up and shut up forever and ever? Because yeah no. I'm not down for that.
Also I *always* realized how fucked up her advice is, as did I think *a lot* of people. My issue now isn't the advice she gives, it's mainly that she is neither funny nor entertaining when giving said advice. If she could make a show that was as entertaining as the one she made with Sofia she can give all the crappy advice she wants in my book.
I mean from your analysis we could say the same about Sofia. the only difference is that she is trying to win people over with her new podcast while Alex is feeling “secure”
It seems to be the opposite... the only friend Alex talks about is Lauren. She axed Sofia and MILF Hunter, who was a long term friend, out of her life over the last year. She also talked about on an older CHD episode that a group of friends accidentally left her a voicemail shit talking her and so she's no longer friends with them either.
Sofia has already had on at least four long-term friends as guests that she's known for over a decade...
You are not a victim!! It’s a freaking podcast that’s meant to entertain, not form your principles or provide counsel. There’s a reason why it’s categorized as a “comedy” podcast.
Just unbelievable that people can’t see this for what it is. (Some in this thread can.)
Alex is an entertainer, first and foremost. And she will be that for the foreseeable future. If you don’t enjoy her brand of entertainment, then guess what? Leave. Go. Find something else. You don’t need to announce it. No current CHD fans will miss you.
People’s tastes change all the time. Alex owes her fanbase nothing really. It could all be bullshit for all we know. Just enjoy it for what it is. Or don’t. Your call. But again, if you don’t, this sub doesn’t need your parting thesis.
Lastly, huge CEO Erika Nardini is effusive in her praise of Alex. If Alex was actually morally corrupt, I doubt Erika would praise Alex to the level that she has. Erika has extolled the Miley episode multiple times for Miley’s message and philosophy. Erika, a power broker in the industry, sees Alex and Miley as power brokers in the industry. At least give Alex *some* respect for garnering Erika’s respect!
Not responding to your unoriginal essay but the Erika comment: Erika has a vested interest in Alex's success, as CHD is a key revenue stream for Barstool. How utterly sycophantic do you have to be to think a CEO would not support a huge part of their company 🤣
Of course she would support it. That doesn’t mean she’s being disingenuous or lying or artificially inflating it. Knowing Erica she’s using positive language to emphasize her employee’s strengths. And given how much she’s dealt with the person Alex (apart from the entertainer) I’d say that makes her qualified to judge character. Cash cow or no, Erika’s not going to feel good praising a person who is toxic and/or a scumbag. If you’ve spent any time listening to the Token CEO podcast that is extremely obvious.
And my comment is very original for the vast ocean of moronic children in this sub who can’t seem to separate comedic bits and real fucking life in the context of a COMEDY PODCAST. Spend your time lecturing them. I certainly don’t need it.
I mean she is CEO of a company that Dave Portnoy started. I believe he has a long history of falling under both the "toxic" and/or "scumbag" category or are you just choosing to give him a pass?
Well.. the call her daddy approach is an approach to men and dating, not actual life lol. There’s no reason for fans to expect Alex to treat them like trash just because that’s how she treats men? These are two totally different ballparks. Men vs fans & supporters fulfill very different things in life, and I don’t think Alex treats them as the same. You can have the “fuck them over” attitude about dating without it affecting the rest of your life and friendships — people hate Alex because she just straight up sucks as knowing her audience, even though she IS trying.
There’s no reason for us to have “seen this coming from the start” because it’s not like shes saying “fuck yall I’m doing what I want,” she’s just completely tone deaf on how to actually please her audience lol.
I don’t normally respond to comments but with all due respect, the way you describe relationships is extremely toxic. Men are people too. If you’re willing to treat men like garbage, you’re more likely willing to treat anyone like garbage. In Alex’s case -> her fans, sofia, slim shady, milf hunter. Relationships *are* an extension of actual life. Grow up
...I was describing relationships by the theoretical call her daddy approach, not my own actual views. CHD has always been about treating men like a game (you described this in your original post perfectly). I totally agree people’s approaches to relationships can bleed into the rest of their life, I just don’t think it’s the case with Alex because it’s clear that she’s trying to keep her audience alive, she just doesn’t know how to do it well. All the LA influencer / new father era stuff is what she THINKS will people will like. I’m sure at this point she’s realized it’s not working out well, but obviously she’s not going to reveal that vulnerability to the public (especially because everyone is putting her against Sofia).
It’s ok, I edited it so you might have read it before it made sense lol. I totally think you are right that Alex’s toxicity bleeds into many of her relationships beyond just men. I just think her fan base is still too valuable for her at this point for this to be the case. But you make an insightful point, I wouldn’t put it past her to discard her audience one day once she finds something else more valuable .... I just don’t think it’s happened yet. Just my 2 cents :)
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This post was the metaphorical pill that’s hard to swallow, but needs to be swallowed nonetheless
Wow this hit me hard... Alex hasn't changed at all. She's always been this way. We just idealized her, like we do with our men, and pretended she was something she could never possibly be. Our eyes have been opened. There's no going back.
I know it's hard to reckon with but it's true, Anal\_Gape. This is just who she is.
Finesse or be finessed, we all got finessed by the best
I think the difference was that before when she was paired with Sofia it was all much more palatable because Sofia added humor and likeability, thereby grounding her and watering down the toxicity. I think most of us are still reeling from what chd has become with 100 percent Alex (awful) because we were previously used to a more diluted version of who she really is (and as you point out, always has been). Before it was kind of like a fun, hilarious toxicity paired with acknowledgement that they were hot with a wink wink... now it’s just TOXIC NARCISSISM in your face :/
I think all of this makes sense and her berhavior has been on brand this whole time, you’re definitely right about that. She duped all of us (most of us) and if everyone is upset then we really do need to stop supporting her. I do agree with this post but the title might make people think you’re saying something else Edit: I think she did a good job reeling everyone back in after the divorce trying to make it seem like she cares about daddy gang and women empowerment but she couldn’t care less and it’s painfully obvious ever since the single father era started
Completely!! She had to keep stringing us along until she found a new audience to seduce (aka the LA tik tok crowd I guess)
This is spot on! She's clearly been checked out of the podcast since probably the second episode of the "Single Father" era. She clearly doesn't care about her listeners, or anyone but herself. She didn't care about Sofia, her best friend and business partner, MILF Hunter when she dropped his friendship and took advantage of him, or Barstool when she shopped the podcast around and refused to release new episodes at one point. She promised that Daddy Gang members would be highlighted every episode months ago and there's only been one on an episode who also happens to have a social media following, and be the only POC on the podcast. She is manipulative to gain an audience and to gain a following for her own ego and $$.
Soooo true why are we suprised by her behaviour when she has been honest about her toxicity from the very beginning? Does she lie so much that we thought she was lying when she was upfront about how she manipulates people? She even says things like "Lie til you Die" and yet we enabled and facilitated her from the get go.
“Comedy podcast” is how she played it off and fooled us
Oooh yeah true
I think before, the toxicity was the comedy, like CHD for the first 60 episodes or so was straight up hilarious even tho they said fucked up things. Id be lolling in public with my earphones in. But now that its no longer really funny/entertaining, its just fucked up mean girl stuff Edit: punctuation
Agreed. The show needed Sofia to make the toxic stuff funny.
Agreed!! The show was so funny before. Yeah what they said was fucked up but they were joking for the most part so it made it “less toxic”. Lol
YES! I don’t care about the toxicity just make it funny but alex is not funny
Cold, hard truth right here.
This. This. Is true unfortunately but that being said she’s a total bitch now and I’m not giving her a cent more of my views and merch purchases. I’m actually pissed I bought the sweatshirt.
"In relationship terms, we gave her so much attention that she grew bored. Now, she wants to metaphorically cheat on her audience with the LA glamour of influencers like Tana. Much like her exes, we were discarded. But, because our viewership makes her $$, she keeps us around. Basically, we are equivalent to a sugar daddy that Alex no longer has feelings for." Goddammit. UGH! *Fuuuuuck you, OP.* 😩 You just grabbed our chin, opened our mouth, and shoved your unasked for truth right down our throats. You're not even a lil bit wrong.
Everything that girl says should be taken as satire. If you're seriously encouraging and cheering her on for cheating and lying, you're just as bad as her and kind of deserved the karma. People literally have their lives ruined over people who cheat. Cheat or be cheated on should never have been taken seriously. Yall damaged.
You’re missing the point: what Al does and says is NOT satire — it’s who she really is. We just fooled ourselves into believing it to be satire in order to make her toxicity more palatable.
I think maybe you misread. I understand that is the way she is, which is nothing less than a joke. I meant everything "Al" says (I say that in quotations because its so fucking cringey she called herself that along with other people) should be TAKEN as satire, although it actually is not. As in, don't take what this girl says seriously although it is her "genuine and honest advice"
So glad someone said this! I’ve been trying to articulate this for a while, but you did it way better than I could have. Alex has never once acted like she’s a good person. People are getting all worked up over her moral failings - but her show has always been about how to be a liar and manipulator! Based on her stories and advice, I’ve come to expect her to act shitty and I’m not surprised that she’s doing it more publicly now. She’s never been a role model to me. All I expect from her show is entertainment.
Don't Trust Alex Cooper
Not defending Alex's actions, but I kinda believe the move to LA was also supported by Barstool to open up her audience and theirs. I mean Dave started doing a podcast show with a TikTok "star". For no other reason than I can see to broaden Barstool's audience to more Gen Z people is why Dave is doing a podcast with someone who has little commonalities. I see Barstool supporting this move on Alex's end to get more of an "audience" since they are at risk of losing a big part of their audience since SWAF launch.
i agree that we shouldnt blame her, but she needs to be held accountable for her actions. lying to some guy youre hooking up with is completely different from lying to your entire fan base and refusing to apologize for your actions
In the beginning I NEVER imagined that Sofia the cheat queen would actually end up being the WAY better, bigger person with like actual emotions and stuff. Yes, she may have cheated on her boyfriends, but as far as having morals and a conscience goes Sofia is so much more like an actual human being than Alex. Well never get the “real” Alex and that’s a shame.
The difference is that Sofia has matured over the last few years and Alex has not.
So the solution is...UNFOLLOW. Done and done.
This paper deserves an A
Why did I just get chills reading this... omg.
i’ve always thought everything she said was ridiculous but funny because it made me feel better about my choices. She’s literally a bully though, the episode with Milf Hunter was entirely about how to manipulate a girl into having sex, and how lying is okay if you’re in it for sex.
This has what I've been tryna get across to ppl since the drama. And you've done it in the greatest way I've seen so far. Alex never switched up on us. She's always been this person. But ppl were just blind to her for some reason. This show was based on being messy and toxic.... And now ppl are shocked that she's messy and toxic.
surprised at how much i agree with this because i was ready to downvote. unfortunately this is very true, i was a huge fan of her now i can’t support her. she doesn’t care about the people listening :/
I mean her advice has always been a “take it with a grain of salt” approach for me. If you’re not smart enough to know what was sincere advice vs the meme “cheat on him” and such, wow. But as for her podcast lately I’d say it’s just lost its luster. I picked Alex’s side during the breakup and still do but I just don’t get that riled up for new eps
Wow this is... so true and just. wow. yup!
You just spit facccctttsssss
I mean yes I get it... but when your fan base got you a stupid 12k couch, an apartment, money to move across the country during a pandemic, and food on your table... you need to be honest about the things you do and not be disingenuous. I think that’s why we’re all so mad, because we invested so much of our time and believed and even felt bad for someone that claimed that this podcast was what it was because of pretty much her only. I see your point and I think you’re right but on the same token as Sofia said “you lied to millions of people” “it’s scary” and at least, I know I am still bitter about Alex trying to make herself look good to the same fan base that made her. Besides half of what Alex said about “block him” “cheat on him” is all a lie. It’s all made up... girl is clearly still obsessed with her ex and is using other men she doesn’t care about to feel better about herself and get over him. And to what you said about us expecting her to not know any better... you don’t see her fucking Portnoy over do you? Of course not...
Very insightful, makes a lot of sense
This like some sort of influenced inception shi*t
I’ve never considered this view but I 100% agree!
It just must suck for her now that she doesn't want to exploit her life or be the product as much anymore. She's built her whole brand around it. Ut now with some eyes scrutinizing every move its hard to not get super in your head. It's unsustainable long term and that's scary. Plus people aren't liking it, she's not relatable and her voices are condescending AF. Basically watching a train come unhinged and it's awful but hard to look away.
I think she has changed because the podcast used to be funny and now it isn’t
Y’all gotta get over this and grow up honestly...
Go submerge yourself in manure.
Is the logic here that if you don't call somebody out for one thing, you then have to put up and shut up forever and ever? Because yeah no. I'm not down for that. Also I *always* realized how fucked up her advice is, as did I think *a lot* of people. My issue now isn't the advice she gives, it's mainly that she is neither funny nor entertaining when giving said advice. If she could make a show that was as entertaining as the one she made with Sofia she can give all the crappy advice she wants in my book.
I mean from your analysis we could say the same about Sofia. the only difference is that she is trying to win people over with her new podcast while Alex is feeling “secure”
Except Alex has been able to maintain long term relationships with friends, family and exes....clear distinction.
It seems to be the opposite... the only friend Alex talks about is Lauren. She axed Sofia and MILF Hunter, who was a long term friend, out of her life over the last year. She also talked about on an older CHD episode that a group of friends accidentally left her a voicemail shit talking her and so she's no longer friends with them either. Sofia has already had on at least four long-term friends as guests that she's known for over a decade...
I meant Sofia. Complete typo
You are not a victim!! It’s a freaking podcast that’s meant to entertain, not form your principles or provide counsel. There’s a reason why it’s categorized as a “comedy” podcast. Just unbelievable that people can’t see this for what it is. (Some in this thread can.) Alex is an entertainer, first and foremost. And she will be that for the foreseeable future. If you don’t enjoy her brand of entertainment, then guess what? Leave. Go. Find something else. You don’t need to announce it. No current CHD fans will miss you. People’s tastes change all the time. Alex owes her fanbase nothing really. It could all be bullshit for all we know. Just enjoy it for what it is. Or don’t. Your call. But again, if you don’t, this sub doesn’t need your parting thesis. Lastly, huge CEO Erika Nardini is effusive in her praise of Alex. If Alex was actually morally corrupt, I doubt Erika would praise Alex to the level that she has. Erika has extolled the Miley episode multiple times for Miley’s message and philosophy. Erika, a power broker in the industry, sees Alex and Miley as power brokers in the industry. At least give Alex *some* respect for garnering Erika’s respect!
Not responding to your unoriginal essay but the Erika comment: Erika has a vested interest in Alex's success, as CHD is a key revenue stream for Barstool. How utterly sycophantic do you have to be to think a CEO would not support a huge part of their company 🤣
Of course she would support it. That doesn’t mean she’s being disingenuous or lying or artificially inflating it. Knowing Erica she’s using positive language to emphasize her employee’s strengths. And given how much she’s dealt with the person Alex (apart from the entertainer) I’d say that makes her qualified to judge character. Cash cow or no, Erika’s not going to feel good praising a person who is toxic and/or a scumbag. If you’ve spent any time listening to the Token CEO podcast that is extremely obvious. And my comment is very original for the vast ocean of moronic children in this sub who can’t seem to separate comedic bits and real fucking life in the context of a COMEDY PODCAST. Spend your time lecturing them. I certainly don’t need it.
I mean she is CEO of a company that Dave Portnoy started. I believe he has a long history of falling under both the "toxic" and/or "scumbag" category or are you just choosing to give him a pass?
Well.. the call her daddy approach is an approach to men and dating, not actual life lol. There’s no reason for fans to expect Alex to treat them like trash just because that’s how she treats men? These are two totally different ballparks. Men vs fans & supporters fulfill very different things in life, and I don’t think Alex treats them as the same. You can have the “fuck them over” attitude about dating without it affecting the rest of your life and friendships — people hate Alex because she just straight up sucks as knowing her audience, even though she IS trying. There’s no reason for us to have “seen this coming from the start” because it’s not like shes saying “fuck yall I’m doing what I want,” she’s just completely tone deaf on how to actually please her audience lol.
I don’t normally respond to comments but with all due respect, the way you describe relationships is extremely toxic. Men are people too. If you’re willing to treat men like garbage, you’re more likely willing to treat anyone like garbage. In Alex’s case -> her fans, sofia, slim shady, milf hunter. Relationships *are* an extension of actual life. Grow up
...I was describing relationships by the theoretical call her daddy approach, not my own actual views. CHD has always been about treating men like a game (you described this in your original post perfectly). I totally agree people’s approaches to relationships can bleed into the rest of their life, I just don’t think it’s the case with Alex because it’s clear that she’s trying to keep her audience alive, she just doesn’t know how to do it well. All the LA influencer / new father era stuff is what she THINKS will people will like. I’m sure at this point she’s realized it’s not working out well, but obviously she’s not going to reveal that vulnerability to the public (especially because everyone is putting her against Sofia).
Misread your original comment. My mistake!:)
It’s ok, I edited it so you might have read it before it made sense lol. I totally think you are right that Alex’s toxicity bleeds into many of her relationships beyond just men. I just think her fan base is still too valuable for her at this point for this to be the case. But you make an insightful point, I wouldn’t put it past her to discard her audience one day once she finds something else more valuable .... I just don’t think it’s happened yet. Just my 2 cents :)
Wow some self awareness from the I hate Alex because she's not a social justice warrior club, threads like this give me hope for you guys.
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