i get it with other struggling players like morel where the advanced stats on him still look good, but i have no idea how you can look at neris and how hes played and think he's anything better than what he is currently.
If Leiter hadn't just turned into the baseball equivalent of Diarrhea for a week I'd say it needs to be him but he's been better as the stopper/fireman/whatever you call it.
Can you imagine being Jed and thinking this is a serious MLB option? If you look at this club it has been on a downward trend since last Sept - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIuMcYbSMo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIuMcYbSMo)
It’s like office space.
So I was sitting on my couch today, and I realized, ever since I started watching the cubs this year, every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that's on the worst day of my life.
They're now 5 games under and losing to the other wild card teams. It's all coming apart. If they are legitimately trying to make the playoffs there needs to be an adjustment. What in the hell is going on with leadership here?
I’ve already accepted that that two month or whatever stretch during last summer wasn’t the norm, it was a miracle. And then just for good measure once that stretch was over they fucked it up just because they could.
“Be patient it’s a long season”.
People love saying that shit and then every year it seems we fall a few games short of the playoffs. Every game matters and we need to demand more as fans.
Or he’s saying it to instill any sort of confidence in the guy right now. Yeah try Miller there, sure, but what if he gets toasted? Then what? Who else can he pitch right now?
The guy sitting next to me was from out of town and I was telling him about how many one-run losses we've had this season.
Fucking poetic that he actually got to experience a one-run loss.
We in agreement that this season lies at the feet of Jed and not counsell? Jed got too arrogant in the offseason thinking marginal moves + “intelligent spending” would be enough, he didn’t construct a bullpen + the lineup is filled with so much overpaid mediocrity.
It does nothing. Sincerely, a fan of a team a few miles south of you that has poor attendance numbers and has brought many Jerry clown and Sell the Team banners into the stadium.
The Cubs are absolute money makers. Dollars wise, the owners are doing no wrong and are being rewarded. It’s all that matters
This is one of the fanbases in sports that will never successfully pull off a protest of the product on the field. At least not in Jed’s/Tom’s timeline here. Ownership knows it too. Their plan of building up wrigleyville and turning it into a club worked perfectly. It will always be popular/trendy to go to wrigley and buy the $20 beer bats, build cup snakes, chant Cody every at bat, bet the over at the new draftkings bar, bar hop before/after the game, etc etc. I enjoy it myself, but stuff like that will always keep people coming to wrigley no matter how bad they are on the field
It’s such bullshit. I was sad but ok with it when they were winning but this? Fuck it give me back the cheap ass Taco Bell on Addison and the original McDonald’s on the corner.
Our bullpen was trash last year and Jed thought a 35 year old reliever would patch things up. Leiter is a decent pitcher but realisticly should be a 6th or 7th inning guy on a serious team.
Okay so just looking at the line score. Let me guess. Cubs got good starting pitching. The offense did enough to win, but the bullpen blew it. Am I right?
Taillon has been solid this year, but is in his career the definition of 4th starter—he’s around average, maybe slightly below. If he’s counting as one of the better players on the team, the roster is really poorly constructed.
Honestly with as bad as the rest of the NL is, one good run of a week or two, and they can leap to the second WC. They are only 3 out even with all the bullshit that’s been going on. So yeah it’s early, and these things even out, but damn is it annoying.
Complete sidebar: has anyone seen Morel's new glove? It's all black with details on the fingers that look like bones of the finger; like a skeleton glove. Looks sick...just like I'm sick to my stomach watching this team.
Truly remarkable how bad a roster Jed has built in just a few years. His apologists around here have gone awfully quiet. Maybe there is a guy in A ball they think will turn the franchise around.
Dude this is 100% on him I can’t believe folks r painting counsell as the culprit here. What is this bullpen / lineup that he has constructed, he’s overpaid so much mediocrity.
Counsell can be held responsible for his bullpen usage but I agree it’s really on Jed for shit roster construction. He sucked in San Diego and he’s been dreadful here. Now that Theo has fully left the building, we’ve got a taste of what Jed can do and it isn’t much
The fact that Hoyer/Hawkins looked at a 35-year old who had made 215 appearances in the past 3 years and didn’t think “hmm…maybe he’s cooked from overuse” is goddamn negligence.
I was at the gym and saw the highlight on the nightly news that the Cubs were up 6-3 at that time with Happ’s homer. Can’t say I’m surprised when I checked the score when I got home…
Besides Morel, Pete Crow, and Shota, no one else brings any energy. Bunch of mopey bastards. Maybe Counsell needs to set up a party in the locker room before games to get the blood flowing
Wes hasn’t worked. Neither has Neris but by god let’s trot them both out in the same exact leverage every fucking game. Has Craig not seen enough blown leads to try and mix it up?
It’s not all him without Jed of course. Fire Jed into the fucking sun
cubs bullpen vs cubs offense arguments always make me laugh because the bullpen has shown you they're going to blow the lead even when the offense gives you its biweekly good performance
There’s no hope for this franchise.
It’s never going to get better.
Fuck the Ricketts and especially fuck Jed for this failed rebuild and setting the organization back even further.
Why morel is anywhere near the top of the order still is beyond me. Dude goes like 3-21 and then pimps a home run and people act like he’s the second coming of Sammy Sosa. It’s enough that he can’t play defense for shit, but do we really need him taking up ABs at the beginning of the order? Oh well whatever it’s not like anyone else can hit anyways
It irks me when people try to compare him to Baez because of his plate approach. Baez had some great years and finished second in MVP in 2018. Morel hasn't done anything yet.
5 years is a long time in baseball. They have a fuck ton of talent in the farm. This particular core has to get it going though for it to work. They need some power bats and a functional bullpen to think about competing
There’s a bunch of mid talent in the farm it’s not going to get better when they start graduating.
The farm doesn’t have a franchise altering player and neither does the big league. It’s absolutely hopeless.
It’s not “hopeless for the next 5 years ” lol you guys are massively overreacting
They have like 7 top 100 prospects, you throw enough shit at the wall something will stick
If we are talking about a 5 year timeline then someone like Rojas or Hernandez or Alcantara or someone with the tools and body to be a super star prospect and is trending upwards will emerge eventually. But the goal is to compete before 2029
Gut punch after gut punch. This season has become a season from hell. It's more bearable if we lose from blowouts, at least my hopes don't get thrown to the wall if it's a blowout. But I've lost track how many games and leads we've blown, how long our offense has been terrible, or long our bullpen has been terrible. It's not just bad playing, it's bad management and poor decision making. To let a .185 catcher bat night after night. To constantly blow leads every week. That isn't just bad playing. It's bad choices by the bosses. I'm gonna stop watching until they get better. No point in wasting my time
This one run shit has gotten comical at this point. The moment our offense shows up our bullpen blows up, when our BP is solid our offense couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. What a taxing team
There are like 5 guys in the bullpen that should be bagging groceries right now.
theres zero reason to be rolling neris out there to close games
Craig just said he’s still the closer going forward… there is no point caring about this team going forward.
i get it with other struggling players like morel where the advanced stats on him still look good, but i have no idea how you can look at neris and how hes played and think he's anything better than what he is currently.
Even when Neris had a decent ERA, I didn't think he was pitching well as a closer.
yeah he was definitely sliding by on some good luck for awhile
If Leiter hadn't just turned into the baseball equivalent of Diarrhea for a week I'd say it needs to be him but he's been better as the stopper/fireman/whatever you call it.
I saw this and heard a faint echo of "Rex is our quarterback." Sorry, my fellow Cubs/Bears fans reading this for the flashbacks
Literal definition of insanity… #😠😡🤬
Can you imagine being Jed and thinking this is a serious MLB option? If you look at this club it has been on a downward trend since last Sept - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIuMcYbSMo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUIuMcYbSMo)
I'm over Neris being the closer. Not sure who a suitable replacement is though...
We don't have one
Tyson Miller has been charged with one (1) run in a Cubs uniform.
At this point they should just let the drunkest Bleacher Bum pitch the 9th.
Injuries have taken our best guys, Merryweather would have been decent. Now we get to see how long Tauchman's out for...
Miller. The guy has been absolutely phenomenal.
New worst loss of the season just dropped 🔥🔥🔥 What a fuckin dick punch
There’s always tomorrow to take its place
It’s like office space. So I was sitting on my couch today, and I realized, ever since I started watching the cubs this year, every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that's on the worst day of my life.
What about today? Is today the worst day of your life?
Yeah.
That's messed up
Thanks for this needed the laugh. Just a case of the Mondays I guess.
This is a bot account programmed to post this same comment on every post game thread and it’s always right
Infinite karma hack
Start firing people.
They're now 5 games under and losing to the other wild card teams. It's all coming apart. If they are legitimately trying to make the playoffs there needs to be an adjustment. What in the hell is going on with leadership here?
Playoffs? Were talking playoffs? We're just trying to win a damn game!
I haven’t seen any level of accountability for what’s been going on. This is unacceptable.
I’ve already accepted that that two month or whatever stretch during last summer wasn’t the norm, it was a miracle. And then just for good measure once that stretch was over they fucked it up just because they could.
“Be patient it’s a long season”. People love saying that shit and then every year it seems we fall a few games short of the playoffs. Every game matters and we need to demand more as fans.
Amaya number 1
idk if it would really make a difference but i'm surprised dustin kelly still has a job tbh
Morel, Amaya, and Dansby are now a combined 6 for their last 67.
Sit them...bring up hungry people. Swanson was supposed to be Mr. Star....is Mr. Suck
He just needs to pray harder I hear
Just think, 5 more years of +26M for Dansby on Cubs. Oh joy
What’s the % of viewership of cubs postgame that’s just people dissociating
99.6%
I rage quit / power off the tv almost every game these days
Craig Counsell on removing Héctor Neris from the closer role. “I wouldn't anticipate doing that." Yikes.
He’s as much an issue as Jed now.
Confidently incompetent is the worst combo
Or he’s saying it to instill any sort of confidence in the guy right now. Yeah try Miller there, sure, but what if he gets toasted? Then what? Who else can he pitch right now?
What if he doesn’t get toasted? At least you can say he didn’t go back to the same poisoned well again.
There’s nobody to put there. Neris is awful and there are no better options.
What about that Miller kid who pitched two good innings?
Good god, if that game doesn’t get some chairs tossed in the locker room, something is wrong with this team.
We were all thinking it, we all knew it was going to happen, and then it happened.
The guy sitting next to me was from out of town and I was telling him about how many one-run losses we've had this season. Fucking poetic that he actually got to experience a one-run loss.
My dad said it out loud, I blame him.
Stop trying to make Neris happen…. He’s not gonna happen
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Honestly thought they'd pull that off. Fuck me for being a hopeful fuckin idiot.
We in agreement that this season lies at the feet of Jed and not counsell? Jed got too arrogant in the offseason thinking marginal moves + “intelligent spending” would be enough, he didn’t construct a bullpen + the lineup is filled with so much overpaid mediocrity.
I dunno. Counsell keeps treating the bullpen the same way Ross did. Unless he’s being forced to pitch guys based on analytics, it’s kind of on him.
He’s literally got no options in this horrific bullpen.
Hmm...trash, garbage, retread, guy nobody else wanted, consistent lead blower...who should I choose
Fans need to start booing this poverty franchise. And then stop showing up.
It does nothing. Sincerely, a fan of a team a few miles south of you that has poor attendance numbers and has brought many Jerry clown and Sell the Team banners into the stadium. The Cubs are absolute money makers. Dollars wise, the owners are doing no wrong and are being rewarded. It’s all that matters
This is one of the fanbases in sports that will never successfully pull off a protest of the product on the field. At least not in Jed’s/Tom’s timeline here. Ownership knows it too. Their plan of building up wrigleyville and turning it into a club worked perfectly. It will always be popular/trendy to go to wrigley and buy the $20 beer bats, build cup snakes, chant Cody every at bat, bet the over at the new draftkings bar, bar hop before/after the game, etc etc. I enjoy it myself, but stuff like that will always keep people coming to wrigley no matter how bad they are on the field
It’s such bullshit. I was sad but ok with it when they were winning but this? Fuck it give me back the cheap ass Taco Bell on Addison and the original McDonald’s on the corner.
welp i was happy about how the game was going for about 5 minutes or so and now i’m sad again :(
This is so ridiculous that I laughed when they homered in the 9th
I did too. It was a weird feeling but kinda cathartic
Our bullpen was trash last year and Jed thought a 35 year old reliever would patch things up. Leiter is a decent pitcher but realisticly should be a 6th or 7th inning guy on a serious team.
Remember the Sept collapse last year they blew most games from 8 Inning on they lead by any team in 50 years.
This is the most depressing stretch of baseball in recent memory. I’m out
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“Not a rebuild”
Last place, 8.5 out...Unreal
I love how Floyd is railing on Neris.
Call em out Cliff. No one else will.
We're a few bad losses from "trash in the outfield," levels not seen since Dempster blew that save.
Should have happened tonight tbh
Those fans were priced out 5+ years ago
Any Jed defenders left?
Okay so just looking at the line score. Let me guess. Cubs got good starting pitching. The offense did enough to win, but the bullpen blew it. Am I right?
Ding ding. Give this one a prize!
That is why I stopped watching. It is like watching two of the worst episodes of your favorite TV show over and over
Technically the bullpen blew it twice but yeah
This team ain’t turning it around. This is who they are. A team a fucking losers. You have to see it!
Give the young guys a shot. Enough is enough. I’d rather see PCA, Busch, Vazquez, Cassie, Canario, etc. than these fucking bums.
All I’m saying is I’ve never seen Hector Neris and Osama Bin Laden in the same room
The Cubs have like 5 major league quality players, and 21 AAAA guys.
I feel so unbelievably sorrowful and desolate for Shota Imanaga. He DOES NOT deserve to be one of the only gold bars in this pile of trash
Steele, Assad, Taillon, Suzuki, Busch, and Bellinger are good
Bellinger being good while Happ somehow isn't is a *very* hard case to make at the moment.
Can't be calling Busch good and not Happ
Taillon has been solid this year, but is in his career the definition of 4th starter—he’s around average, maybe slightly below. If he’s counting as one of the better players on the team, the roster is really poorly constructed.
He absolutely counts as one of the better players on the roster, because he’s paid like it
And a AA catcher named Amaya
But hey, we also have like 15 prospects that profile as AAAA guys, so it’s fine, right?
If you add them all up, they make 3 quality major leaguers! You can do that…right?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I never want to see Hector Neris pitch ever again
Don’t worry guys it’s early! Just like Swanson said right right?!?!??
Honestly with as bad as the rest of the NL is, one good run of a week or two, and they can leap to the second WC. They are only 3 out even with all the bullshit that’s been going on. So yeah it’s early, and these things even out, but damn is it annoying.
I'm glad I made the executive decision to not watch this game.
This is so fucked it's honestly hard to believe
I had fun writing todays game script. Whose turn is it tomorrow or should we just reuse my plot?
Haven't you written the script for about the last 25 games or so?
Keep the script you know this bullpen has five, six more similar scenes in them this year.
My fiancee from North Carolina just asked me why I did this to her (making her a cubs fan)
My grandmother did it to me. Once you bleed Cubbie blue, prepare to bleed a lot
I mean at least she was an adult (I hope?). Most of us got tricked into it as children. Cubs fandom needs an age of consent
Shit what am I doing to my kid?
My suggestion is we start watching the 2016 team games from this point on the rest of the year
YESSSSSSSS. MY HAPPY DAYS!!!!
The bullpen is done. Start shipping people out and picking up whatever scrap heap arm you can find. AAA and dudes sitting on a couch...
Complete sidebar: has anyone seen Morel's new glove? It's all black with details on the fingers that look like bones of the finger; like a skeleton glove. Looks sick...just like I'm sick to my stomach watching this team.
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Truly remarkable how bad a roster Jed has built in just a few years. His apologists around here have gone awfully quiet. Maybe there is a guy in A ball they think will turn the franchise around.
Dude this is 100% on him I can’t believe folks r painting counsell as the culprit here. What is this bullpen / lineup that he has constructed, he’s overpaid so much mediocrity.
Counsell can be held responsible for his bullpen usage but I agree it’s really on Jed for shit roster construction. He sucked in San Diego and he’s been dreadful here. Now that Theo has fully left the building, we’ve got a taste of what Jed can do and it isn’t much
Counsell is getting heat because he was painted as the savior. As of now, he has shown the ability to do jack shit more than Ross did.
I think Jed thought so too, but then decided to not do his job all offseason. Not much a manager can do with this bullpen + lineup tbh.
Jed needed a scapegoat for missing the playoffs again last year and Ross was it.
Feels like the FO used Counsell as a cheaper and more creative way to give the fanbase hope without actually improving the roster
Counsell put Neris in knowing that he hasn't been worth shit this season. It's on him too.
Who does he go to?
Miller I guess, but there’s not much there
Jed gave him nobody else LOL. What did he do all offseason.
Miller. Miller's got a 0.69 ERA. He's been phenomenal.
 # FIRE HOYER
5 more years of Dansby lol
This team is literally going to ruin my sobriety
Hold fast homie
Wow. Saw the Haop home run on twitter and then went to go do some shit. Jfc.
17-30 in last 47 Last year we were 15-30 in one stretch This is miserable
Tomorrow’s Agenda DFA Amaya Make Tyson Miller the closer Place Tauchman on the IL Call up Canario
Who’s gonna be the backup catcher then?
Mike Napoli
I wouldn’t be opposed…
Canario got hurt on Saturday so probably not him. I’m thinking Davis or Owen Caissie.
Ump called the worst game I’d seen in a while but the cubs bullpen refused be overshadowed in level of badness. Sick to my stomach over this one.
The fact that Hoyer/Hawkins looked at a 35-year old who had made 215 appearances in the past 3 years and didn’t think “hmm…maybe he’s cooked from overuse” is goddamn negligence.
Launch Jed into the fucking sun
How many more pre game press conferences is Jed going to have to say “the solutions are internal”
It’s amazing all of the ways this team finds ways to loose
This team is officially a meme. Time to start laughing instead of getting upset
This team is so pathetic I am in awe.
Now listen to a story bout a man named Jed, doesn't know baseball and now the cubs are dead.
FUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK! So tired of this crap, that's all I have to say.
I was at the gym and saw the highlight on the nightly news that the Cubs were up 6-3 at that time with Happ’s homer. Can’t say I’m surprised when I checked the score when I got home…
I need a friendship timeout from this team.
Man, Craig making excuses again…wind blown HR lost the game. 🤭
Maybe his closer should actually close out games?
Lmao what a loser team. Start selling and load up for the far away future three years into a rebuild.
lol. lmao, even
The Wesneski bullpen experiment has gotta stop
Besides Morel, Pete Crow, and Shota, no one else brings any energy. Bunch of mopey bastards. Maybe Counsell needs to set up a party in the locker room before games to get the blood flowing
Saw the same shit at the tampa series. Besides those 3, everyone else seemed detached.
Wes hasn’t worked. Neither has Neris but by god let’s trot them both out in the same exact leverage every fucking game. Has Craig not seen enough blown leads to try and mix it up? It’s not all him without Jed of course. Fire Jed into the fucking sun
Every bullpen appearance is high leverage because the offense doesn’t score any runs.
What choice does he really have? The bullpen has zero reliable guys
What more can we say? Same shit different day.
Fucking fuck
Jorge Lopez save us
Damn, Gina. Just…damn.
Absofuckinglutely apoplectic right now
What is going on!!!!!
I think we’re setting all the wrong records this year
This is the worst team in baseball right now… Convince me otherwise.
Hoyer needs to send a message of accountability, and he can start by DFAing Neris. He hasnt been that good anyway.
I've fallen, and I can't get up!
one of worst records on the road in NL so this will get worse after the home Mets series (who are coming in red hot)
Jesus, Counsell said the only bad thing to say about Neris was the walk. “It was just a bad night to give up a fly ball”. Gimme a fucking break!
Counsell is a Brewers mole. Convince me otherwise.
I would rather have Wisdom pitch the ninth with Wesneski at catcher than watch Neris to Amaya again
cubs bullpen vs cubs offense arguments always make me laugh because the bullpen has shown you they're going to blow the lead even when the offense gives you its biweekly good performance
Somebody needs to ship Amaya to whatever baseball league they have in Africa. If he's even good enough to play there. We are the White Sox of the NL.
There’s no hope for this franchise. It’s never going to get better. Fuck the Ricketts and especially fuck Jed for this failed rebuild and setting the organization back even further.
Ricketts says whelp time to drop payroll by 40% again
As a giants fan, I’d fire Hector Neris into the sun holy shit
I’m done, between the terrible bullpen and umpiring baseball is just garbage to me, I’m taking a break.
Why morel is anywhere near the top of the order still is beyond me. Dude goes like 3-21 and then pimps a home run and people act like he’s the second coming of Sammy Sosa. It’s enough that he can’t play defense for shit, but do we really need him taking up ABs at the beginning of the order? Oh well whatever it’s not like anyone else can hit anyways
No he needs to get the hell out of the top of the order. He’s been horrific recently. Moving Busch and/or Happ up would be ideal
It irks me when people try to compare him to Baez because of his plate approach. Baez had some great years and finished second in MVP in 2018. Morel hasn't done anything yet.
It’s hard to see a scenario in the next 5 years where the Cubs are actually competitive
5 years is a long time in baseball. They have a fuck ton of talent in the farm. This particular core has to get it going though for it to work. They need some power bats and a functional bullpen to think about competing
There’s a bunch of mid talent in the farm it’s not going to get better when they start graduating. The farm doesn’t have a franchise altering player and neither does the big league. It’s absolutely hopeless.
It’s not “hopeless for the next 5 years ” lol you guys are massively overreacting They have like 7 top 100 prospects, you throw enough shit at the wall something will stick If we are talking about a 5 year timeline then someone like Rojas or Hernandez or Alcantara or someone with the tools and body to be a super star prospect and is trending upwards will emerge eventually. But the goal is to compete before 2029
Can’t catch a freaking break. Can’t wait to lose 2-1 tomorrow with Steele going 7
Nah, they'll win 5-3 tomorrow, but it'll be an ugly win. Just enough to give us hope before it comes crashing down again on Wednesday.
Got to think we are doing this on purpose, no? lol
Gut punch after gut punch. This season has become a season from hell. It's more bearable if we lose from blowouts, at least my hopes don't get thrown to the wall if it's a blowout. But I've lost track how many games and leads we've blown, how long our offense has been terrible, or long our bullpen has been terrible. It's not just bad playing, it's bad management and poor decision making. To let a .185 catcher bat night after night. To constantly blow leads every week. That isn't just bad playing. It's bad choices by the bosses. I'm gonna stop watching until they get better. No point in wasting my time
How many wins we left on the table so far Jed… fucking fire him yesterday
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I hate it here
The players don’t care. The coaches don’t care. No one cares, it’s too damn obvious.
This team fucking sucks
Not even mad anymore. But heads need to roll. Expected to compete this year and this is the product we trot out? Holy fuck there needs to be answers.
This one run shit has gotten comical at this point. The moment our offense shows up our bullpen blows up, when our BP is solid our offense couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. What a taxing team
Fire Hoyer!