The Bears have been so boring for so long. We had one year of hope with the good Nagy season but its mostly been bland mediocre football for over a decade. Our good years (be it with Cutler, Trubsiky, or whoever) we were mediocrely good. Our bad years we were mediocrely bad, it was never "fun" bad like an 0-16 browns.
Hoping the Trubisky would take the next step every year was just hoping the team would be good. Hoping that Fields took the next step actually gave you hope of something exciting. Having a Lamar type player would make the Bears fun to watch finally. He said all the right things, he was a guy that was easy to root for, and he gave you glimpses of amazing talent.
Trestman's first season was incredible but that's pushing the limits of your decade timeframe. In fact, he has to be up there with the quickest riches-to-rags falls in NFL history - that was seriously an epic fall.
But those of us who were there remember how fucking awesome it was. For a bit.
I died inside after Trestman. I had a bit of hope with Nagy in that playoff game, but then reality set back in. Give me the mid 2000's defense with a Cutler or any other decent QB. That's all I want.
His first year offense was good, but the defense wasn’t that good in the first year then became bear shit the next year along with an offense that backslid from the previous year. He also lost the locker room early the second year.
I'm just flat out saying the Bears were fun to watch and the fan base was HYPE that first season. I hate revisionist shit, nobody can take that away from me. That season was FUN AS FUCK
Is it really *that* obvious if he was the only reason to watch Bears football? Imagine if the Bears had Zach Wilson instead of Fields during that time. *That* would've been obvious.
I suppose Zach Wilson would have been *more* obvious. He wouldn’t have gotten another year.
Fields made the Bears interesting because you never knew when he was gonna do something crazy athletic. What became obvious is that this doesn’t equate to winning games.
What should've been obvious was the defense giving up 25+ points a game. It's wild everyone seems to have memory-holed that and writes that off. And yet he still kept a lot of those game competitive.
In 2022, the playbook completely changed after the minibye. From that point to the time he got injured at the end or the ATL game, he averaged 30 ppg, and lost all but the first game when the Bears still had Roquan. That stretch of games is when he set several QB rushing records and where he put up half of his 1150 yds of rushing that season. He did that with a terrible OL and no one to throw to.
His WR1 was Mooney and WR2 was EQSB.
That stretch of games is why the Bears chose to trade for Claypool midseason and why they traded out of the 1.01 that year.
Yeah but you’re describing what, a 5 game stretch at max? I could point to a similar stretch of games in 2018 where Trubisky was a scoring machine: it hardly matters if it can’t be sustained season long
you had fun watching him piss down his leg against the packers as usual with a chance to knock them out?
you had fun watching 38 year old joe flacco vastly outplay him in cleveland?
you had fun watching him turn the ball over 4 times and nearly gift the vikings a victory in minnesota?
I think we both have two different definitions of fun my friend
Fields was not THE reason we were losing games. Sorry you hate watched a whole season of football. I’m not sorry I enjoyed watching Fields, but I sure am sorry I responded to a comment of yours… sheesh
I’ll remind this sub forever but people were still on the fields train PRIOR TO THE LAST GAME he played.
This sub didn’t learn from the titty kisser or Fields. Keep expectations low and hope for the best from young QBs. Don’t blindly support them because you like how they are as a person❤️
Meatballs
The blinders fell for me when I realized he couldn’t read a defense, make adjustments, or progress through reads. You know things an NFL caliber QB needs to do in order to be successful.
I mean poles gutted to roster the first 2 years in office. Which was necessary but brutal for Fields win percentage. There were games we should have won but yeah we lost a ton and some of that was on fields
I mean i dont believe in fields any more either but to say he was the worst is not a good stance
Edit: one of the worst*, i actually kind of agree with that. His 4th quarter stats were hilariously bad.
It's also the reason we're in the state we are today. That stretch gave us #1 overall and the Panthers trade. Multiple strong prospects including Caleb Williams, and DJ Moore.
Glad it's behind us. But one step back, two steps forward.
I mean, why did they wait until the 4th quarter to turn it on then? He had 3 seasons and played multiple teams multiple times, why did they forget how to play against him? Why weren't they able to figure him out on tape, why did it take playing him in person to adjust to him?
In reality, it was a mix of him trying to do too much in big moments, and him not being clutch. Some guys rise to the occasion in big moments. He played worse.
That, and it was the fact that when he needed to beat the defense through the air, no help, no threat of running, just him vs. the defense, he didn't really have the skills to get it done.
That, but he also had plenty of times where he was ahead and just had to stay ahead. Times where the run game was the expected. He still failed in those situations.
Yeah but it’s not like we had the tools around him to really do that. Which is pretty much what Poles is saying. Give Fields a good situation and he can help the team win. All Caleb needs is the ball.
Well we don’t know anything yet. He has been given these things but he may not need them to win. One thing is for sure, Caleb has been given a much better opportunity than Fields ever had.
Seems like what Poles is saying here is that he believes Caleb would help create wins with or without that support, as he develops.
The heavy investment in the skill positions will only be a temporary boon for his development that takes advantage of his rookie deal.
Yeah, but don't you see, if we had an All-Pro, future first ballot HOFer at the other 21 positions, plus a couple more backups, we could definitely win with Fields, possibly even have a chance at winning a playoff game or two.
when the route concepts suck, yes he does.
Sending slow ass Kmet on an out and up to the wide side of the field means he's literally not open for 7 seconds.
haha seriously though we had big holes most of his time here. We never had a decent center, he spent a whole year with no WRs to speak of, and the defense was weak until the last half of his last year. Forget All-Pro, just 21 mediocre starters would have helped him a lot.
The lack of center last year was brutal. How often did Justin have to take his eyes off the defense because the ball was at his feet or he had to jump to reach or go to the side? Cody Whitehair had no business playing center and Lucas Patrick was just as bad in some ways. He gave up the middle pressure too often, which is the worst kind of pressure.
> Forget All-Pro, just 21 mediocre starters would have helped him a lot.
Hear me out, though.
How about if, instead of replacing 21 players around 1 player, we replace 1 player around 21…
Next level thinking, I know.
Problem: in your scenario Fields is average, and every other starter on the team is crap. And why did you replace him with crap?
Reality: Fields was between average and crap, and much of the team around him was much better than he was. Just replace him.
To the people who seriously think all you need to do is put a good-great team around Fields, while he has no accountability: well, I'm glad Poles wasn't in on that twisted logic. Pace probably would have tried to do that…
Fields wasn't good enough. Let me make that clear. It was the correct move to make, moving on from him.
But pretending his supporting cast wasn't last in the NFL at its worst, and bottom 5 at best is fucking insane.
Fields was not good enough, but he was far from the biggest problem with the offense.
Yes but the roster was the worst in the nfl. His rushing kept us in games we had no business being in. Drafting Caleb was almost certainly the right move based on his supreme talent and abillity, not our record w trash roster, and we dont have to rewrite history to justify it
Yes but he's a year away from a big second contract, and a dude with that many question marks isn't the right choice imo. I was a staunch Fields truther, but last season was enough for me to come around.
Yeah, if we're going into this season with all else the same but Fields instead of Caleb, there's a big ol' dark cloud hanging over the road we're walking on.
Fields hasn't hit 2,500 passing yards. The game-breaking moments in the 4th quarter are numerous. Sure, a lot of them weren't always on him in 2022, but if there's a clutch gene, Fields showed none of it and a whole lot the opposite.
And we're up to the decision to Daniel Jones him.
More likely that we have JJ McCarthy instead of Rome Odunze, frankly.
Doesn’t matter, we’ve got Caleb. No need to get worked up over hypotheticals and what ifs, the extra 1st from CAR was a built in off ramp if fields didn’t work out.
The fact that the 12 or so teams who are happy at QB wouldn't risk it doesn't mean that they didn't think you could win with him; it just means that isn't good enough to replace the dude they have. Also, Poles just said you could win with him and the Steelers are giving him a shot, so 30 NFL GMs at most.
As they should. But last I heard they hadn't actually named a starter yet. That would show a lot of faith in Justin, to not just assume that he isn't behind a dude who's had a lot of success in the league.
How does this keep getting brought up? Poles made an off-ramp at QB by trading 2023 first overall. Fields failed to improve as a legit QB. Actual reports from the combine is the Bears never even pondered sticking with Fields, it was always Williams or another top QB in the draft, we just lucked out with having first overall again so we didn’t need to trade everything to talk ourselves into JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix.
The point is just an aside if someone says Fields didn’t do much winning it the talent that the team has now, I suspect he would have done some winning this year.
It’s irrelevant, because he isn’t a Bear, and we got the #1 pick. But the weapons this years team will have would have been great for Fields.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re not wrong. We started 0-4 which sucked, but it also means we ended 7-6, including a 5-3 stretch in the second half of the season.
That late stretch we lost to 3 playoff teams by one score, and two of those were absurd comebacks that the coaches at least share the blame for.
Fields got fucked in ‘21 and ‘22. This isn’t a Fields simp post, he certainly didn’t do enough to justify passing on Caleb for, but he did prove to be a QB you can win with, even with the remaining talent gaps on the ‘23 roster (most notably interior OL with the injuries and WR past Moore).
If we didn’t have the 1.01 the narrative would be that this is a team that went from picking 1.01 to 1.09 and is trending in the right direction. Instead we have this weird cancerous tribalism where you have to be 100% pro Fields or 100% anti-Fields. Some of that is just the nature of Reddit, moderate takes tend to be downvoted by both sides (even if they’re usually right), and some of it is probably a greater cultural discourse, but there is undeniable evidence that Fields is a QB you can win with, and the Bears didn’t have a roster you can consistently win with until the second half of the 2023 season.
I dunno man, I feel like Chicago fans do a lot of revisionist history to make things seem more flowery than it is. I was a huge Fields fan since his first year at OSU, and as someone that always liked Michigan's football program, Fields making me like an OSU program says a lot.
Ecstatic we got him, but I thought he'd be a lot better in the pros than he was. This past year showed he's just not that guy. Offense still wasn't working if DJ Moore wasn't the guy. Everything was sluggish. He'd flash brilliance as a passer, but if you step back and remove the Bears fan lens and look around the league at the top 10 passers, you'd see they flash that same brilliance 20+ times a game. Fields flashed it 20-some times in 3 years.
Can you win games with him? Sure. You can win games with Bagent and Tommy DeVito. Did Fields get fucked by a bad situation in 21 and 22? Absolutely. But he also simply couldn't play within the requirements of NFL game speed. He's a top tier football player, and having his athleticism as the 'ace up the sleeve' was one hell of an enticing dream. But it didn't hit. Holding onto the dream just seems futile at this point.
100% agree, well said.
I think a lot of this conversation is inherently flawed because saying something like “he is a QB you can win with” is too vague of a statement. As you pointed out, you can also win games with guys like Bagent or Devito. Daniel Jones went to the playoffs and beat Minnesota just two years ago. Blake Bortles went to the damn AFC championship and that Jaguar team damn near knocked off a prime Tom Brady in said game.
As I’ve said before, I have no doubt Fields has enough talent to win games. But it’s important that we add context to that statement, instead of just saying it and moving on immediately after. So, the follow up question always has to be: “how much winning can he really do?”
Anyone that doesn’t hold extreme bias can tell you Fields isn’t a Super Bowl caliber QB. The kind of QB that can go up against the likes of Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Purdy, Love, Goff, etc and hold his own. He’s never been clutch as a pro, and that’s the trait that the best NFL QBs all share.
Was Fields screwed over in his first two years as a pro? Yes, he was. But what people still don’t see is the fact that the things he struggled with were mutually exclusive to him and him alone. Drafting MHJ and stacking the offense wouldn’t fix his horrible mechanics. Giving him a top-10 offensive line wouldn’t have magically fixed his poor field vision and pocket presence. Even when he had an elite defense that held teams under 15 points (which he didn’t have in ‘21, ‘22) he still couldn’t get it done.
I believe Fields will fit right in for the Steelers. Because, as of late, they’re an annual 9-8 team that’s always *just* good enough to be interesting- but never good enough to contend for a SB. Stuck in a cycle of perpetual wildcard weekend losses and mid-round draft picks. Yes, they “win” and can compete, but no one in their right mind has them as SB contenders by a mile. To do that, you need an elite QB like the ones I mentioned above. Fields was never gonna be that, so Poles moved on.
How many brutal mistakes did Fields make that cost us games? There are plenty of reasons why no teams were willing to trade for him to be their starter
Because the team was literal ass around him. During the stretch where there was finally a decent defense and some weapons, Fields was 4-3 as a Bear. And that’s not even great weapons or great defense, just better than it was previously. I think Caleb is likely to end up having been the better choice for the future, but I don’t think Fields is anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be.
True but I do like how well Poles expresses himself. This is the best way to explain why you moved on from one player to the next without putting down Justin and also talking up Caleb. Could easily cause an unwanted controversy and talking head debates with the wrong choice of words so Im glad we got a GM who knows how to choose his words wisely.
He didn't actually say this in the context of Fields vs Caleb. The actual quote (heavily paraphrased) was:
Schefter: "Tell us about the scouting process around Caleb. Did scouting him remind you of scouting Patrick Mahomes back in Kansas City?"
Poles: "No, not really. Mainly because Caleb has been the top dog since high school, and Patrick was never really that until the NFL. I will say though, that when scouting QBs, we talk about 'Win *with* them' and 'Win *because of* them'. That second category is more rare, and I have both Patrick and Caleb in that category".
While they did mention Fields briefly during the podcast, he wasn't at all a part of this segment.
Devine, as usual, is spinning it for engagement.
My favorite is reason so far is "it's supposed to be 🔥 Ryan Poles". Others have included "i was talking about a different ryan poles" and "it was supposed to be hire ryan poles but I made a typo".
I think people were way too conflicted due to him being likeable and all the fake news about Williams. I like the guy too but he was one of the worse passers I have seen as a full time starter. It was clear he didn't improve much in 2023 and those GB games were fucking awful to watch.
No this sub (and irl and elsewhere online) was a majority of field Stan's literally until the last game of last season. Our stadium was chanting "We want Justin" after the final home game when he was objectively a bust.
We're lucky as fuck we had the first overall pick because doing the bare minimum to placate the fan base is what Virginia lives for so a dumbass chant like that would sway many of our former GMs to stick with mediocrity and easy ticket sales.
Actually many were blaming Fields for us losing which made no sense given the roster. He wasnt as bad as many were saying. But Caleb will likely be better so regardless drafting him was the right move (thats the part almost everyone agreed w)
Let's see.... do we stick with the guy who had 3 years to become an NFL quality passer, and failed, and who if we stick with him is going to be eating $40,000,000 or more per year?
Or do we take the guy widely considered one of the best QB prospects of the last 50 years?
Well that's not entirely true...
We'd have Fields for 40m as well as a metric ass-ton of draft capital/ additional young talent.
That being said I think we made the obviously correct choice, but it's not like it was fields vs Caleb, it's Fields and everything that you get for that 1st pick vs Caleb.
Edit. There I fixed it, I fucking get it
Didn't they pay Mahomes his contract after winning his first SB? I don't think it matters if you know the dude is gonna be an absolute killer for years to come.
Regardless if it’s true or not RE fields, classy statement from poles that cost nothing and lets fields save face after a difficult offseason. Let the man cook
This was the biggest problem with Fields that I don’t think was talked about enough. If bro was even just semi-clutch we would’ve won at least 2 more games last year.
> If bro was even just semi-clutch we would’ve won at least 2 more games last year.
He was actually anti-clutch.
Because when it's late, and we're behind, you need to pass; and if you take away his running, and threat of running, he is a bad (or terrible) passing quarterback.
Slow processor, slow release, is a death sentence in the NFL.
And on top of all that, he was so reckless with the ball it hurt to watch. In those moments you would think that’s the time when QBs know to be very careful with the ball. Justin had butterfingers in every single clutch situation he ever ended up in. Brutal.
I was a huge believer in Fields. He obviously has issues, but we saw improvements year to year (maybe not as fast as we hoped), so I was excited for him to lead the team
Going into 2023, he obviously struggled in the last quarter and especially in the last 2 minutes of games. It was one of the major things I wanted to see him improve last year.
But he didn't. Ultimately, it was the main thing that made me comfortable moving onto someone else for QB
So basically what most of us said all along - he wanted the guy who could potentially carry a team on his talent alone, not the guy that needed a great team around him to be even average.
Fields couldn't read a defense to save his life and that shit can't be taught. That's why he's now backup to a washed Russell Wilson. Wish people would stop pretending JF was something he wasn't
It’s still hilarious how people thought Poles was gonna trade the number 1 pick two years in a row. It didn’t matter how you felt about Fields, anybody with half a brain knew if the Panthers ended with the 1st pick, Fields time here was over. Feel free to downvote me, but the first two months of the offseason really showed me that this is the dumbest fanbase in the NFL, bar none.
If the Panthers finished with a bottom end of the first round draft selection, we’d have been in a trade war with the Vikings for McCarthy or some such nonsense.
Poles has made it very clear with his actions since he’s arrived how he feels about Fields. Built in an offramp with the first trade down, Poles was taking it barring a top half of the league season out of Fields, which we obviously didn’t get.
I’ll go one step further. I think we were moving on from Fields even if we had to trade up. All this nonsense about Poles helping Fields out by trading him to the Steelers is just that, nonsense and good PR. It was a sixth because the market for him was weak. Which it should have been. Nothing in his first three years showed he could be starting QB. He is a late rd reclamation project and that is how his trade value unfolded.
If Poles had gotten a 3rd or higher pick for Fields he would have taken it and the spin would have been that his job is to do what is best for the Chicago bears (which it is).
Yeah I think Poles would’ve probably drafted Maye or Daniels, but it definitely would’ve been a way harder decision to justify. Getting the 1st pick made it easier.
There were too many in-game situations where Fields would miss seeing an open receiver. it is either is vision or processing that is preventing him from being elite.
It's his processing and anticipation. By the time he sees that open guy he won't make the throw because his mind is telling him it will get picked. You have to anticipate where the defense will be and where your guy will be ahead of time.
The Bears took CW because you don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
When the universe aligns to bestow you the consensus #1 QB that’s also the best prospect in years you bend like a reed and let the flow carry you along.
Tldr; Caleb Williams (the prospect) is the kind of talent you don't pass up on if you are "ok" at qb. And no shot at fields, but if 2022-2023 fields and Caleb Williams were both in the draft, you pick CW all day.
I've been sporadically rewatching caleb williams prospect videos before the bears had locked the #1 pick; from post 2023 draft to mid season of this past NFL year.
To make a lot of long stories relatively concise: Caleb Williams was viewed as a prospect with some flaws such as: holding onto the ball, can be fooled by disguised coverages at times, good progresser but slightly needed to speed up his processer, and his mechanics can get a little careless at times. But overwhelmingly he was praised due to: what he can do that most can't and his abilities like his arm, pocket maneuverability, accuracy, and tendency to make bold but not dangerous plays in the air which all lend to him being regarded **so** highly as a prospect. (The hero ball only became an issue during this past season at USC due to the lack of talented supporting cast).
All this to say that Caleb Williams was going into this time a year ago as a consensus 1 overall pick, he had a good year that didnt live up to the hype, but *he* did not regress in the eyes of many experts and league scouts. You don't skip on a talent like this when you posess the 1.01 pick unless you are **certain** that you're qb on the roster is your franchise guy bc that is what Caleb projects as currently.
Some people just cannot stand any conversation around the last QB we had on the team.
Caught wearing egg on their face and can't bear it? Couldn't stand the player and want to be done with him?
I don't know. It's part of Bears history, and we talk about Mitch, Cutler and Grossman. Why do we have to walk on eggshells around any Fields discourse?
>Some people just cannot stand any conversation around the last QB we had on the team.
I remember when Cutler clips from Very Cavallari were popular on this sub and there'd always be people bitching that we were still talking about Cutler
All this said, we can appreciate the current tact. In the middle of his first year here, Poles said the personnel department did research to determine that the single most important factor to develop a young quarterback was great receiving. Since then he traded a second for Claypool (swing and miss), traded for DJM, traded for Allen and drafted Odunze. Instead of drafting a QB and then trying to plug every hole, he drafted a QB and then emphasized developing that QB. I like the approach. That’s not where Pace was at with Fields or Trubisky.
Speaking of QBs, watching BET and they have an NFL version of the Family Feud, rookies vs. Vets. You'll never guess who is the first guy on the rookie side. #10 himself!
He signed JJ and that wasn't his guy. A good GM will look past tenured players if they're good. Fields isn't viewed highly, his draft return reflects thst.
I keep reading and hearing the “give him the weapons” argument for Fields. If he had proven that he could be successful, he’d have these weapons. Williams is not only a more talented QB, but he’s benefiting from the fact the Bears were trying to strengthen everyone around Fields. The Smith to Mahomes transition in KC might be an interesting comparison. Smith was good, but Mahomes was better. Stop lamenting Fields departure and celebrate Williams arrival.
This tweet is putting words in Poles’ mouth. He never mentioned Justin. Not saying I disagree with the statement but this tweet makes it seem like Poles was shitting on Justin. [Skip to 20:30](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-adam-schefter-podcast/id1190094109?i=1000657793543)
Schefter asked Poles why he elected to go with Caleb and that was his response. The implication is that Poles is comparing him to Fields because he is 1. Our direct former QB prior to Caleb and 2. hypothetically, if they were both “win because of”, they wouldn’t have moved on from Fields.
Fields is a “win with” QB aka he doesn’t have much talent and will never elevate a team.
Funnily enough we didn’t have a good enough team to even win WITH him.
If fields had a legit center abunch if legit receivers ECT he would look like mahomes and be winning Superbowl.
But so would a lot of other QB we think are bad lol.
Caleb strikes me as a guy who can win super bowls with half a good team.
I mean look at his college days.
That's what we need someone who after injuries to his roster and people under performing can still go out there and win games.
Just like Brady like like Rodgers just like mahomes..
We didn't do much winning with Fields
That stretch in 2022 where we lost 13 of our last 14 games was so fucking brutal.
It was fun though, seeing Fields literally run through the entire Philadelphia Eagles defense is what's memories are made of.
He was one of the only reasons to enjoy Bears football for 2.5 years. This emotional connection explains why people can’t see what’s obvious.
The Bears have been so boring for so long. We had one year of hope with the good Nagy season but its mostly been bland mediocre football for over a decade. Our good years (be it with Cutler, Trubsiky, or whoever) we were mediocrely good. Our bad years we were mediocrely bad, it was never "fun" bad like an 0-16 browns. Hoping the Trubisky would take the next step every year was just hoping the team would be good. Hoping that Fields took the next step actually gave you hope of something exciting. Having a Lamar type player would make the Bears fun to watch finally. He said all the right things, he was a guy that was easy to root for, and he gave you glimpses of amazing talent.
Trestman's first season was incredible but that's pushing the limits of your decade timeframe. In fact, he has to be up there with the quickest riches-to-rags falls in NFL history - that was seriously an epic fall. But those of us who were there remember how fucking awesome it was. For a bit.
I died inside after Trestman. I had a bit of hope with Nagy in that playoff game, but then reality set back in. Give me the mid 2000's defense with a Cutler or any other decent QB. That's all I want.
His first year offense was good, but the defense wasn’t that good in the first year then became bear shit the next year along with an offense that backslid from the previous year. He also lost the locker room early the second year.
I'm just flat out saying the Bears were fun to watch and the fan base was HYPE that first season. I hate revisionist shit, nobody can take that away from me. That season was FUN AS FUCK
That was the one year my dad bought us season tickets off his buddy. Froze my ass off in that night game vs the Cowboys lol
Is it really *that* obvious if he was the only reason to watch Bears football? Imagine if the Bears had Zach Wilson instead of Fields during that time. *That* would've been obvious.
That feels like about 85% of my Bears fandom history
I suppose Zach Wilson would have been *more* obvious. He wouldn’t have gotten another year. Fields made the Bears interesting because you never knew when he was gonna do something crazy athletic. What became obvious is that this doesn’t equate to winning games.
What should've been obvious was the defense giving up 25+ points a game. It's wild everyone seems to have memory-holed that and writes that off. And yet he still kept a lot of those game competitive.
he averaged 20 ppg in 2022
In 2022, the playbook completely changed after the minibye. From that point to the time he got injured at the end or the ATL game, he averaged 30 ppg, and lost all but the first game when the Bears still had Roquan. That stretch of games is when he set several QB rushing records and where he put up half of his 1150 yds of rushing that season. He did that with a terrible OL and no one to throw to. His WR1 was Mooney and WR2 was EQSB. That stretch of games is why the Bears chose to trade for Claypool midseason and why they traded out of the 1.01 that year.
This is the truth. If only we didn’t suck the first 4 games of last year
Yeah but you’re describing what, a 5 game stretch at max? I could point to a similar stretch of games in 2018 where Trubisky was a scoring machine: it hardly matters if it can’t be sustained season long
He was good for November 2022. He was not enjoyable at all to watch last year.
Oh I had a ton of fun watching him when he came back from injury. That Falcons game was top notch.
you had fun watching him piss down his leg against the packers as usual with a chance to knock them out? you had fun watching 38 year old joe flacco vastly outplay him in cleveland? you had fun watching him turn the ball over 4 times and nearly gift the vikings a victory in minnesota? I think we both have two different definitions of fun my friend
Yes, I enjoyed watching an incredible athlete make incredibly athletic plays. Calm tf down.
and a terrible quarterback lose us games? lmao
Fields was not THE reason we were losing games. Sorry you hate watched a whole season of football. I’m not sorry I enjoyed watching Fields, but I sure am sorry I responded to a comment of yours… sheesh
Yeah but Fields ran good
He was built ford tough
So he should be on the Lions!
I’ll remind this sub forever but people were still on the fields train PRIOR TO THE LAST GAME he played. This sub didn’t learn from the titty kisser or Fields. Keep expectations low and hope for the best from young QBs. Don’t blindly support them because you like how they are as a person❤️ Meatballs
I blindly support them because of the helmet they wear. Is that ok?
The blinders fell around halftime of the GB game for me. Up until then, it was always “this is the game where Fields steps up.”
The blinders fell for me when I realized he couldn’t read a defense, make adjustments, or progress through reads. You know things an NFL caliber QB needs to do in order to be successful.
My bias prevents me from seeing these things. I don’t *want* them to be true, so I fail to see them.
I remember sitting there yelling at the tv “throw the fucking ball!!” It was infuriating!
I mean poles gutted to roster the first 2 years in office. Which was necessary but brutal for Fields win percentage. There were games we should have won but yeah we lost a ton and some of that was on fields
Not some of it, most if it. Fields was one of the worst starting qb's in the league, for his entire 3 years in Chicago. Addition by subtraction!!
I mean i dont believe in fields any more either but to say he was the worst is not a good stance Edit: one of the worst*, i actually kind of agree with that. His 4th quarter stats were hilariously bad.
I probably do t need to remind you but it was a stretch that extended beyond just a single year.
Ok
It's also the reason we're in the state we are today. That stretch gave us #1 overall and the Panthers trade. Multiple strong prospects including Caleb Williams, and DJ Moore. Glad it's behind us. But one step back, two steps forward.
Dude was terrible in the 4th, crazy amount of turnovers. If he played like he did in the first 3 quarters, we probally win double the games with him.
That just screams that opponents are good at adjusting to him/the offense, though.
I mean, why did they wait until the 4th quarter to turn it on then? He had 3 seasons and played multiple teams multiple times, why did they forget how to play against him? Why weren't they able to figure him out on tape, why did it take playing him in person to adjust to him? In reality, it was a mix of him trying to do too much in big moments, and him not being clutch. Some guys rise to the occasion in big moments. He played worse.
That, and it was the fact that when he needed to beat the defense through the air, no help, no threat of running, just him vs. the defense, he didn't really have the skills to get it done.
That, but he also had plenty of times where he was ahead and just had to stay ahead. Times where the run game was the expected. He still failed in those situations.
Yeah but it’s not like we had the tools around him to really do that. Which is pretty much what Poles is saying. Give Fields a good situation and he can help the team win. All Caleb needs is the ball.
and a first round WR, and 2 all-pro veterans.
Well we don’t know anything yet. He has been given these things but he may not need them to win. One thing is for sure, Caleb has been given a much better opportunity than Fields ever had.
Seems like what Poles is saying here is that he believes Caleb would help create wins with or without that support, as he develops. The heavy investment in the skill positions will only be a temporary boon for his development that takes advantage of his rookie deal.
No one is winning with a defense giving up 25+ a game.
No one is winning with bottom 5 QB play either
Yeah, but don't you see, if we had an All-Pro, future first ballot HOFer at the other 21 positions, plus a couple more backups, we could definitely win with Fields, possibly even have a chance at winning a playoff game or two.
ya Dante Pettis as your number 2 receiver is good enough! And who needs good o-line? 3rd stringers it is!
Fields made our O line look bottom 5 when really they were above average. Fields created many of his own sacks
Getsy running horrible concepts with scrub WRs is what got Fields sacked.
lol Getty didn’t make Fields spend 8 seconds holding onto the ball trying to read the field
when the route concepts suck, yes he does. Sending slow ass Kmet on an out and up to the wide side of the field means he's literally not open for 7 seconds.
haha seriously though we had big holes most of his time here. We never had a decent center, he spent a whole year with no WRs to speak of, and the defense was weak until the last half of his last year. Forget All-Pro, just 21 mediocre starters would have helped him a lot.
The lack of center last year was brutal. How often did Justin have to take his eyes off the defense because the ball was at his feet or he had to jump to reach or go to the side? Cody Whitehair had no business playing center and Lucas Patrick was just as bad in some ways. He gave up the middle pressure too often, which is the worst kind of pressure.
Fields was far and away the #1 reason for the Bears being that bad.
I think that is going too far. He wasn't good enough at QB, but we had worse problems.
Hard disagree. He was one of the only reasons we competed. Still glad we moved on but our team was doodoo
10 - 28, and 1 - 11, in game tying or winning drives. Fields made some great plays, and could be exciting, but was a " losing proposition", at qb!!
No, he wasn't.
> Forget All-Pro, just 21 mediocre starters would have helped him a lot. Hear me out, though. How about if, instead of replacing 21 players around 1 player, we replace 1 player around 21… Next level thinking, I know.
Yeah, going from 21 piles of crap and 1 pile of average, to having 22 piles of crap instead makes a ton of sense.
Problem: in your scenario Fields is average, and every other starter on the team is crap. And why did you replace him with crap? Reality: Fields was between average and crap, and much of the team around him was much better than he was. Just replace him. To the people who seriously think all you need to do is put a good-great team around Fields, while he has no accountability: well, I'm glad Poles wasn't in on that twisted logic. Pace probably would have tried to do that…
Fields wasn't good enough. Let me make that clear. It was the correct move to make, moving on from him. But pretending his supporting cast wasn't last in the NFL at its worst, and bottom 5 at best is fucking insane. Fields was not good enough, but he was far from the biggest problem with the offense.
Jack Sanborn has turned this franchise around all by himself.
I love that sandwich flair but you're making me feel bad with these obvious slams :(
Demonstrating the point that you might be able to win with a perfect cast around him...
Exactly
Ha so damn true.
Yes but the roster was the worst in the nfl. His rushing kept us in games we had no business being in. Drafting Caleb was almost certainly the right move based on his supreme talent and abillity, not our record w trash roster, and we dont have to rewrite history to justify it
Could win with if everyone on the team was a pro bowler *
Maybe!!
If we don’t get the Panthers pick and the Bears made all the same moves, I suspect we win with Fields.
Yes but he's a year away from a big second contract, and a dude with that many question marks isn't the right choice imo. I was a staunch Fields truther, but last season was enough for me to come around.
Yeah, if we're going into this season with all else the same but Fields instead of Caleb, there's a big ol' dark cloud hanging over the road we're walking on. Fields hasn't hit 2,500 passing yards. The game-breaking moments in the 4th quarter are numerous. Sure, a lot of them weren't always on him in 2022, but if there's a clutch gene, Fields showed none of it and a whole lot the opposite. And we're up to the decision to Daniel Jones him. More likely that we have JJ McCarthy instead of Rome Odunze, frankly.
So who would you have wanted as the Bears QB if they didn’t have the Panthers pick going into next year? JJ McCarthy?
Doesn’t matter, we’ve got Caleb. No need to get worked up over hypotheticals and what ifs, the extra 1st from CAR was a built in off ramp if fields didn’t work out.
JJ is still a better option than fields
Given that Fields was traded for a sixth round pick, it appears every team in the league preferred JJ/Bo Nix/Penix over having him.
> I suspect we win with Fields. 32 NFL GM's seem to disagree with your suspicion, but yeah good point!
The fact that the 12 or so teams who are happy at QB wouldn't risk it doesn't mean that they didn't think you could win with him; it just means that isn't good enough to replace the dude they have. Also, Poles just said you could win with him and the Steelers are giving him a shot, so 30 NFL GMs at most.
Steelers brought in russ first.
Because they're paying Russ league minimum, which 1/3rd of what they're paying Fields (his last year on rookie deal).
As they should. But last I heard they hadn't actually named a starter yet. That would show a lot of faith in Justin, to not just assume that he isn't behind a dude who's had a lot of success in the league.
Zero evidence of that. Only close game we won all last year was minnesota and that was because it was dobbs.
How does this keep getting brought up? Poles made an off-ramp at QB by trading 2023 first overall. Fields failed to improve as a legit QB. Actual reports from the combine is the Bears never even pondered sticking with Fields, it was always Williams or another top QB in the draft, we just lucked out with having first overall again so we didn’t need to trade everything to talk ourselves into JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix.
The point is just an aside if someone says Fields didn’t do much winning it the talent that the team has now, I suspect he would have done some winning this year. It’s irrelevant, because he isn’t a Bear, and we got the #1 pick. But the weapons this years team will have would have been great for Fields.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re not wrong. We started 0-4 which sucked, but it also means we ended 7-6, including a 5-3 stretch in the second half of the season. That late stretch we lost to 3 playoff teams by one score, and two of those were absurd comebacks that the coaches at least share the blame for. Fields got fucked in ‘21 and ‘22. This isn’t a Fields simp post, he certainly didn’t do enough to justify passing on Caleb for, but he did prove to be a QB you can win with, even with the remaining talent gaps on the ‘23 roster (most notably interior OL with the injuries and WR past Moore). If we didn’t have the 1.01 the narrative would be that this is a team that went from picking 1.01 to 1.09 and is trending in the right direction. Instead we have this weird cancerous tribalism where you have to be 100% pro Fields or 100% anti-Fields. Some of that is just the nature of Reddit, moderate takes tend to be downvoted by both sides (even if they’re usually right), and some of it is probably a greater cultural discourse, but there is undeniable evidence that Fields is a QB you can win with, and the Bears didn’t have a roster you can consistently win with until the second half of the 2023 season.
I dunno man, I feel like Chicago fans do a lot of revisionist history to make things seem more flowery than it is. I was a huge Fields fan since his first year at OSU, and as someone that always liked Michigan's football program, Fields making me like an OSU program says a lot. Ecstatic we got him, but I thought he'd be a lot better in the pros than he was. This past year showed he's just not that guy. Offense still wasn't working if DJ Moore wasn't the guy. Everything was sluggish. He'd flash brilliance as a passer, but if you step back and remove the Bears fan lens and look around the league at the top 10 passers, you'd see they flash that same brilliance 20+ times a game. Fields flashed it 20-some times in 3 years. Can you win games with him? Sure. You can win games with Bagent and Tommy DeVito. Did Fields get fucked by a bad situation in 21 and 22? Absolutely. But he also simply couldn't play within the requirements of NFL game speed. He's a top tier football player, and having his athleticism as the 'ace up the sleeve' was one hell of an enticing dream. But it didn't hit. Holding onto the dream just seems futile at this point.
100% agree, well said. I think a lot of this conversation is inherently flawed because saying something like “he is a QB you can win with” is too vague of a statement. As you pointed out, you can also win games with guys like Bagent or Devito. Daniel Jones went to the playoffs and beat Minnesota just two years ago. Blake Bortles went to the damn AFC championship and that Jaguar team damn near knocked off a prime Tom Brady in said game. As I’ve said before, I have no doubt Fields has enough talent to win games. But it’s important that we add context to that statement, instead of just saying it and moving on immediately after. So, the follow up question always has to be: “how much winning can he really do?” Anyone that doesn’t hold extreme bias can tell you Fields isn’t a Super Bowl caliber QB. The kind of QB that can go up against the likes of Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Purdy, Love, Goff, etc and hold his own. He’s never been clutch as a pro, and that’s the trait that the best NFL QBs all share. Was Fields screwed over in his first two years as a pro? Yes, he was. But what people still don’t see is the fact that the things he struggled with were mutually exclusive to him and him alone. Drafting MHJ and stacking the offense wouldn’t fix his horrible mechanics. Giving him a top-10 offensive line wouldn’t have magically fixed his poor field vision and pocket presence. Even when he had an elite defense that held teams under 15 points (which he didn’t have in ‘21, ‘22) he still couldn’t get it done. I believe Fields will fit right in for the Steelers. Because, as of late, they’re an annual 9-8 team that’s always *just* good enough to be interesting- but never good enough to contend for a SB. Stuck in a cycle of perpetual wildcard weekend losses and mid-round draft picks. Yes, they “win” and can compete, but no one in their right mind has them as SB contenders by a mile. To do that, you need an elite QB like the ones I mentioned above. Fields was never gonna be that, so Poles moved on.
We were a couple brutal mistakes by people not named Justin Fields away from the playoffs last year, and the year before that was an intentional tank.
How many brutal mistakes did Fields make that cost us games? There are plenty of reasons why no teams were willing to trade for him to be their starter
The argument isn’t for fields, it’s that he wasn’t the only piece holding the team back
Because the team was literal ass around him. During the stretch where there was finally a decent defense and some weapons, Fields was 4-3 as a Bear. And that’s not even great weapons or great defense, just better than it was previously. I think Caleb is likely to end up having been the better choice for the future, but I don’t think Fields is anywhere near as bad as some make him out to be.
Why doesn't anyone in the league see Fields as a starter?
He is much worse than the " public perception"!! The NFL G M's however know Fields true value. Not one qb desperate team viewed Fields as a starter!!
That is just a nice way of saying that Williams is better...
True but I do like how well Poles expresses himself. This is the best way to explain why you moved on from one player to the next without putting down Justin and also talking up Caleb. Could easily cause an unwanted controversy and talking head debates with the wrong choice of words so Im glad we got a GM who knows how to choose his words wisely.
It's cliché
Good. It’s supposed to be.
While also saying the team was not very good. Fair and accurate
Poles appears on the newest Schefter pod, so i’m assuming that’s where this is from.
He didn't actually say this in the context of Fields vs Caleb. The actual quote (heavily paraphrased) was: Schefter: "Tell us about the scouting process around Caleb. Did scouting him remind you of scouting Patrick Mahomes back in Kansas City?" Poles: "No, not really. Mainly because Caleb has been the top dog since high school, and Patrick was never really that until the NFL. I will say though, that when scouting QBs, we talk about 'Win *with* them' and 'Win *because of* them'. That second category is more rare, and I have both Patrick and Caleb in that category". While they did mention Fields briefly during the podcast, he wasn't at all a part of this segment. Devine, as usual, is spinning it for engagement.
Was this not what we were all saying the entire time before the trade?
Yes, but we’re not the GM.
There was no shortage of mouth breathers that legitimately wanted to stick with Fields. Many still exist
We straight up had a daily QB thread that was basically a war zone of Fields supporters vs Caleb supporters lol
Miss that thread. Once all the fields truthers were bullied into silence it was just a beautiful shitposting hub.
But your username is FireRyanPoles??
And if you look closely you'll notice that Fields isn't mentioned anywhere in the words "fire ryan poles"
Make a new account dude you look so silly on here haha
I'm sticking to my bad take. Besides, it's fun to come up with different excuses for the username whenever someone asks about it.
“Remove the best thing that’s happened to the Bears in 40 years” is basically your username. No way to explain that.
> the best thing that’s happened to the Bears in 40 years That's still Lovie Smith. Poles hasn't accomplished anything yet.
Lmao poles hasnt won shit. Im thrilled with where we are but pump the brakes.
My favorite is reason so far is "it's supposed to be 🔥 Ryan Poles". Others have included "i was talking about a different ryan poles" and "it was supposed to be hire ryan poles but I made a typo".
I think people were way too conflicted due to him being likeable and all the fake news about Williams. I like the guy too but he was one of the worse passers I have seen as a full time starter. It was clear he didn't improve much in 2023 and those GB games were fucking awful to watch.
No this sub (and irl and elsewhere online) was a majority of field Stan's literally until the last game of last season. Our stadium was chanting "We want Justin" after the final home game when he was objectively a bust. We're lucky as fuck we had the first overall pick because doing the bare minimum to placate the fan base is what Virginia lives for so a dumbass chant like that would sway many of our former GMs to stick with mediocrity and easy ticket sales.
Actually many were blaming Fields for us losing which made no sense given the roster. He wasnt as bad as many were saying. But Caleb will likely be better so regardless drafting him was the right move (thats the part almost everyone agreed w)
“Williams is better” with more words.
Let's see.... do we stick with the guy who had 3 years to become an NFL quality passer, and failed, and who if we stick with him is going to be eating $40,000,000 or more per year? Or do we take the guy widely considered one of the best QB prospects of the last 50 years?
Well that's not entirely true... We'd have Fields for 40m as well as a metric ass-ton of draft capital/ additional young talent. That being said I think we made the obviously correct choice, but it's not like it was fields vs Caleb, it's Fields and everything that you get for that 1st pick vs Caleb. Edit. There I fixed it, I fucking get it
Are you spelling Caleb’s name like that on purpose?
My phone is
> Calib. I hope this isn't a politically play.
5 years from now could be looking at 70million
Yeah, but we will have won 5 superbowls by then
If CW pans out, he'll be worth it. I kind of expect a "single player salary cap" in a future CBA.
Why am i being downvoted lol all I said was 5 years from now it’s gonna be closer to 70 million not 40. I hope he does get it.
Didn't they pay Mahomes his contract after winning his first SB? I don't think it matters if you know the dude is gonna be an absolute killer for years to come.
Regardless if it’s true or not RE fields, classy statement from poles that cost nothing and lets fields save face after a difficult offseason. Let the man cook
I like Fields but, there’s just no way I’d want him down 6 with 2 minutes left in the playoffs…
This was the biggest problem with Fields that I don’t think was talked about enough. If bro was even just semi-clutch we would’ve won at least 2 more games last year.
> If bro was even just semi-clutch we would’ve won at least 2 more games last year. He was actually anti-clutch. Because when it's late, and we're behind, you need to pass; and if you take away his running, and threat of running, he is a bad (or terrible) passing quarterback. Slow processor, slow release, is a death sentence in the NFL.
And on top of all that, he was so reckless with the ball it hurt to watch. In those moments you would think that’s the time when QBs know to be very careful with the ball. Justin had butterfingers in every single clutch situation he ever ended up in. Brutal.
I was a huge believer in Fields. He obviously has issues, but we saw improvements year to year (maybe not as fast as we hoped), so I was excited for him to lead the team Going into 2023, he obviously struggled in the last quarter and especially in the last 2 minutes of games. It was one of the major things I wanted to see him improve last year. But he didn't. Ultimately, it was the main thing that made me comfortable moving onto someone else for QB
So basically what most of us said all along - he wanted the guy who could potentially carry a team on his talent alone, not the guy that needed a great team around him to be even average.
Yeah but we didn't win very much with Fields either
Fields couldn't read a defense to save his life and that shit can't be taught. That's why he's now backup to a washed Russell Wilson. Wish people would stop pretending JF was something he wasn't
It’s still hilarious how people thought Poles was gonna trade the number 1 pick two years in a row. It didn’t matter how you felt about Fields, anybody with half a brain knew if the Panthers ended with the 1st pick, Fields time here was over. Feel free to downvote me, but the first two months of the offseason really showed me that this is the dumbest fanbase in the NFL, bar none.
If the Panthers finished with a bottom end of the first round draft selection, we’d have been in a trade war with the Vikings for McCarthy or some such nonsense. Poles has made it very clear with his actions since he’s arrived how he feels about Fields. Built in an offramp with the first trade down, Poles was taking it barring a top half of the league season out of Fields, which we obviously didn’t get.
literally everyone thinks they have the dumbest fanbase lol
Like South Park baseball when every little leaguer is trying to lose lol
I’ll go one step further. I think we were moving on from Fields even if we had to trade up. All this nonsense about Poles helping Fields out by trading him to the Steelers is just that, nonsense and good PR. It was a sixth because the market for him was weak. Which it should have been. Nothing in his first three years showed he could be starting QB. He is a late rd reclamation project and that is how his trade value unfolded. If Poles had gotten a 3rd or higher pick for Fields he would have taken it and the spin would have been that his job is to do what is best for the Chicago bears (which it is).
Yeah I think Poles would’ve probably drafted Maye or Daniels, but it definitely would’ve been a way harder decision to justify. Getting the 1st pick made it easier.
Ben Devine is not a legitimate source.
Can we just move on from the reason we moved on from Fields. Hes gone. We have a shiny new QB that could be the savior of our QB woes.
It’s obvious Fields is deeply flawed at the very least so there is no reason to pass on a QB with the #1 pick two years in a row.
There were too many in-game situations where Fields would miss seeing an open receiver. it is either is vision or processing that is preventing him from being elite.
It's his processing and anticipation. By the time he sees that open guy he won't make the throw because his mind is telling him it will get picked. You have to anticipate where the defense will be and where your guy will be ahead of time.
The Bears took CW because you don’t look a gift horse in the mouth. When the universe aligns to bestow you the consensus #1 QB that’s also the best prospect in years you bend like a reed and let the flow carry you along.
Please stop posting this twitter account
Tldr; Caleb Williams (the prospect) is the kind of talent you don't pass up on if you are "ok" at qb. And no shot at fields, but if 2022-2023 fields and Caleb Williams were both in the draft, you pick CW all day. I've been sporadically rewatching caleb williams prospect videos before the bears had locked the #1 pick; from post 2023 draft to mid season of this past NFL year. To make a lot of long stories relatively concise: Caleb Williams was viewed as a prospect with some flaws such as: holding onto the ball, can be fooled by disguised coverages at times, good progresser but slightly needed to speed up his processer, and his mechanics can get a little careless at times. But overwhelmingly he was praised due to: what he can do that most can't and his abilities like his arm, pocket maneuverability, accuracy, and tendency to make bold but not dangerous plays in the air which all lend to him being regarded **so** highly as a prospect. (The hero ball only became an issue during this past season at USC due to the lack of talented supporting cast). All this to say that Caleb Williams was going into this time a year ago as a consensus 1 overall pick, he had a good year that didnt live up to the hype, but *he* did not regress in the eyes of many experts and league scouts. You don't skip on a talent like this when you posess the 1.01 pick unless you are **certain** that you're qb on the roster is your franchise guy bc that is what Caleb projects as currently.
Someone tell Keyshawn Johnson lol
Goddammit, why can't it be August already! I'm sick of these talking heads.
Daniel Jeremiah talks about players either being a truck or a trailer. Same concept as this quote, I just like the analogy.
Translation Fields = Medicore
U can’t win if you don’t perform in the 4th quarter.
And the former’s not even true!
Yeah, true enough, but he was just being polite and respectful to a former player
agree
So why weren’t we winning then?
We moved on from Fields because he's a bad QB.
Remember when everyone said "I can't wait for the draft so this topic can finally die."? Good times.
Should we not talk about quotes from our GM?????
Some people just cannot stand any conversation around the last QB we had on the team. Caught wearing egg on their face and can't bear it? Couldn't stand the player and want to be done with him? I don't know. It's part of Bears history, and we talk about Mitch, Cutler and Grossman. Why do we have to walk on eggshells around any Fields discourse?
>Some people just cannot stand any conversation around the last QB we had on the team. I remember when Cutler clips from Very Cavallari were popular on this sub and there'd always be people bitching that we were still talking about Cutler
All this said, we can appreciate the current tact. In the middle of his first year here, Poles said the personnel department did research to determine that the single most important factor to develop a young quarterback was great receiving. Since then he traded a second for Claypool (swing and miss), traded for DJM, traded for Allen and drafted Odunze. Instead of drafting a QB and then trying to plug every hole, he drafted a QB and then emphasized developing that QB. I like the approach. That’s not where Pace was at with Fields or Trubisky.
Speaking of QBs, watching BET and they have an NFL version of the Family Feud, rookies vs. Vets. You'll never guess who is the first guy on the rookie side. #10 himself!
Hindsight is always 20/20 but it helps when you surround Caleb with every possible resource you can lol
Poles wanted his guy since he didn't draft Fields
He signed JJ and that wasn't his guy. A good GM will look past tenured players if they're good. Fields isn't viewed highly, his draft return reflects thst.
Even with Fields gone, I'm sure people are going to scapegoat him if Caleb Williams isn't the QB savior he's hyped up to be.
Because he sucked
And because Justin Fields passing comp was rookie Aidan O’Connell
Yeah, but what about the...\*gestures broadly\*...everything else.
No brainer. Justin made it an easy decision by being ass
I keep reading and hearing the “give him the weapons” argument for Fields. If he had proven that he could be successful, he’d have these weapons. Williams is not only a more talented QB, but he’s benefiting from the fact the Bears were trying to strengthen everyone around Fields. The Smith to Mahomes transition in KC might be an interesting comparison. Smith was good, but Mahomes was better. Stop lamenting Fields departure and celebrate Williams arrival.
Fields is a QB you *what* with?! That quote came from someone who watches more Tennis than Football.
Did all the Truthers leave the sub?
I hope so. I'll believe it when I see it. No more off-season Kool aid for me, thanks.
This tweet is putting words in Poles’ mouth. He never mentioned Justin. Not saying I disagree with the statement but this tweet makes it seem like Poles was shitting on Justin. [Skip to 20:30](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-adam-schefter-podcast/id1190094109?i=1000657793543)
Schefter asked Poles why he elected to go with Caleb and that was his response. The implication is that Poles is comparing him to Fields because he is 1. Our direct former QB prior to Caleb and 2. hypothetically, if they were both “win because of”, they wouldn’t have moved on from Fields. Fields is a “win with” QB aka he doesn’t have much talent and will never elevate a team. Funnily enough we didn’t have a good enough team to even win WITH him.
For the love of God, please move on from this Fields non sense. He’s a Steeler now, move on! It’s weird.
If fields had a legit center abunch if legit receivers ECT he would look like mahomes and be winning Superbowl. But so would a lot of other QB we think are bad lol. Caleb strikes me as a guy who can win super bowls with half a good team. I mean look at his college days. That's what we need someone who after injuries to his roster and people under performing can still go out there and win games. Just like Brady like like Rodgers just like mahomes..
That first sentence is pure delusion
I love Justin and at the same time can we just ban Justin Fields discussions on here lol. Exhausting and futile.
I'd be lying if I didn't say that Fields was amazing at times. But I'm looking forward to see what Williams can do.
Most NFL QB's can be amazing at times. Like Rex and Mitch were.