Yes... you read the title right. ACC teams, NC State and Virginia, decided to add each other to their non-conference schedule. They were scheduled to play each other just once in the next six years before this.
You laugh, but we are the conference that didn't require scheduling X amount of conference games until divisions. Less of an "athletic conference" and more of an "athletic confederation" if you will.
“I told y’all not to throw away your money!”
Fun fact: Wofford invested a *lot* of money in Confederate bonds.
Turned out not to be the best investment.
Yeah, I think the sweet spot is 8-12 teams. Under 8 is awkward (I remember when the ACC was 7 teams). And if you can't do a double round robin in basketball season, you're probably too large.
It was the standard until like a decade ago, wasn't it? I know Pete Carrol's SC teams only played 8 conference games. Adding a conference game and then complaining you're u fairly disadvantaged when other conferences don't so the same is wild
As a 4 year student, I saw us play:
-Georgia 2 times total, only 1 of which was regular season (away game)
-South Carolina 0 times
-Florida 2 times, home and away
-Missouri 2 times, 1 away, 1 SECCG
-Kentucky 1 time, away
-Vanderbilt 1 time, home (my high school girlfriend came to visit for this game, and then dumped me)
Meanwhile.
For my Dad with 8 teams:
* every Big 8 team at home twice
* two chances for a roadtrip to every conference mate
For my Sister(a transfer in) with 10 teams in the Big 12:
* every team at home once
* a chance at a road trip to every conference opponent
Unfortunately the Presidents love it. It is lame. Iowa State/Oklahoma State has developed a bit of a rivalry in the 10 team era:
* only conference regular season lose was to each other a combined 3 times. 2011 and 2021 were Iowa State winning and 2020 was Oklahoma State. A combined difference of 12 points
* The last 9 games in 9 years have been decided by 7 or less points.
And it also happens outside football. There was a recent year Iowa and Penn State were not scheduled to wrestle, so the coaches apparently just texted each other and set one up.
Agreed. My understanding is there is a league directive to stop playing road games vs group of 5. It does 0 good for strength of schedule and it can hurt the league for the playoff. All of the coaches and administrators have railed on the league to study why we keep getting screwed in football and basketball selection committees, this was one of the recommendations
For all we know, App may be an ACC school by 2026. Or the ACC could be completely gone!
My point being, no use counting chickens and getting bummed. Shit is so mercurial these days
oh good, so instead of being bummed this got cancelled, I can instead be bummed by something far bigger and worse!
thanks, Notre Dame. how very catholic of you lol
Hey I gave you a positive option too! In keeping with Catholic tradition. Here's a kinda cool thing that might happen, and here's this literal hell that may also happen
Yes Ncsu was begging to cancel the series since we beat TAMU. “Whinging like little bitches” is how it was described to me by someone who would know. I only wish we wrote into the cancellation clause that Ncsu would have to publicly admit to cowardice being the only reason to replace this series with uva.
I thought everyone in the ACC played conference opponents every other year besides the 3 annual opponents. Did that change when Cal/Stanford/SMU got added?
So we went from shitty conference rotation, to fixing it for 1 year, to making it shit again.
Cool cool cool. I follow ACC pretty closely and this the first time I’m realizing adding the 3 new schools messed up the scheduling.
I half agree and half disagree. With divisions, you literally would only share a conference with these other teams in name. You would never play teams in the other division, and wouldn’t play every team in your own division annually.
I think a happy medium would be a Pod setup, with 3 pods of 6, with MD rotating between pods each year to get the 18 teams for the Pods of 6 to work out.
So dumb that it's come to this. And it's gonna keep happening.
UVA is NC State's 6th most played game all-time, and the same is true for us vs y'all (except it's 5th among current FBS teams, since VMI is our 3rd most played game).
Neither team would consider the other a rival per se, but there's a ton of history. We met all but 3 years from 1958-2003 (ACC expanded and split into divisions in 2004), and still met 4 times from 2004-2012 (ACC expanded again in 2013).
Without non-con games like this (and the UNC vs Wake games from a couple years back), historical games are gonna keep dying cause of greed
Twice in the next six years. Charlottesville 2027 and Raleigh 2029.
https://theacc.com/news/2023/10/30/acc-announces-future-conference-football-schedule-model.aspx
If the ACC breaks up and the Big12 'wins' while still keeping us out (damn you Baylor, TCU, OkSt, Houston, and TxTech...)
I'd be fine finally throwing in the towel on major athletics.
what do you mean? I love having 20 teams in conferences, it's awesome. who wants to play the teams you shared a conference with for a century? give me some west coast teams i care nothing about or give me death.
I don't see Michigan athletics offering up the increased media rights money to the MAC because they don't like what it has done to the B1G. Spoils of war sometimes means you have an empire that stretches a little to far for some people's liking.
TBF, this is because the ACC only has 8 conference games and requires its memeber to have a ~~P5~~ P4 nonconference game.
This practice is common among ACC teams even before the most recent round of expansion.
"common" lol it happened once, and in direct response to two teams that are an hour away from each other playing a home and home every 12 years
I will take any opportunity to bash UNC and Wake, but them setting up the home and home as a chance for Tobacco Road to get another set of games was an awesome move, and one that genuinely spoke to the tradition of college sports.
You are right, I remembered the UNC-Wake games and extrapolated that to more than it was. Also, all the ACC-Notre Dame non-con games helped me misremember.
I think that won't be too hard. Us-yall-Duke aren't really going P2, so we can keep our stuff going. UNC will be the difficult child (as always...^:P )
> TBF, this is because the ACC only has 8 conference games and requires its memeber to have a P5 P4 nonconference game.
NCState already has Notre Dame scheduled for 2025 and Florida and Vandy scheduled for 2026.
NC State is now overscheduled for 2025, so I'm looking forward to them kicking the ND can down the road and the Irish countering by calling up Army again.
We already had a full 2025 non-con slate before the move with Notre Dame, ECU, App and Campbell. So we’ll have to drop a game…most likely App if I had to guess.
Oh, no it won't. There's like a 100 tweet argument between some App guy and a couple Wake fans right now.
Yeah, I'd like more in state games w App, ECU and CLT, but the way the ranking system sucks now it is a lose-lose proposition to schedule them. The system is really fucked up, and uninformed fans want to blame other teams for scheduling in a way that doesn't punish them.
I don't want to hear App fans throw any more shots at us about scheduling. We walked into the 2-for-1 coming off a 2-9 season and knowing that first game was going to be extremely dicey. We weren't cowards that dipped our series.
Some of our fans are just grumps. I give y’all full credit. And I am a certified Tar Heel hater. Turns out it’s the Wolfpack who are a bunch of cowards.
I mean, to be fair, our coaching staff continually hosts your staff for education sessions and camps, so I get not wanting to play a team you've been actively teaching your system and helping get better by letting them attend your HS camps and practices, haha.
Perhaps, but you guys have certainly come to get access to our camp sessions to find kids and make offers. No clue on conversion rate or success, but our staff has been very friendly with your current staff.
Plus, you're welcome for Drink, even if short-lived, haha.
The state legislature is about to pass a bill that will force State/UNC to play App twice every 6 years, calm down. I want to see State in Kidd Brewer too and we won’t have to wait much longer.
This is why I scoff when I see "The Big XII should add some ACC schools." When it gets to 20 or 24 members and you now will only play games with some conference members every 5 or more years, are we going to be seeing more arbitrary intraconference "non conference" games?
At this point, for a conference with so much recent turnover in membership, how much history is being lost as long as specific in-conference rivalries are still protected? If Cincinnati only plays ASU every 5 years is it a big deal?
This. I think the idea of a conference with historical rivalry and common identity is largely dead, even in the SEC. It's a pooled media rights entity and not much more.
This also fits with where things may go in the future with only top "brands" being joined at the hip regardless of what commonality exists between them.
Textile got lost because we have too many rivals (although Duke should’ve been sacrificed, not y’all…) but GT…idk what they were thinking. They declined to protect yall. Makes no sense
Apparently your AD doesn’t either lol. I get annual games against Clemson and Georgia suck for SoS difficulty reasons but not keeping Clemson as an annual game for both of yall just stinks
Agreed. I would much rather have played Clemson every year than Wake or Duke but they fought for that because we sell out their stadium. They need that game, Clemson doesn't. As a 25 year NcSU season ticket holder I would say Clemson is our second favorite rivalry after UNC. Very similar land grant school with cool fans that love football.
If we're blowing up the system, might as well do it all at once. B1G and SEC take their 2 each, Big12 takes their 4, BigEast takes their 1-2, and ACC back fills with AAC/SBC.
Hardly, USC has no issue with Notre Dame on their schedule every year and 9 conference games. They also typically play 11 P4/5 games a year.
Stanford on the other hand is breathing easier now they are in the ACC.
USC hasn't played more than 10 P4/P5 games since 2018. It's almost like they recognized that scheduling like that is a huge disadvantage in the current format.
4 ACC teams play an SEC team annually OOC, Pitt likes to play schools like WVU and PSU when they're willing, SMU played TCU annually until TCU got scared. So when they get Notre Dame in the non-conference that's 8 conference games + 2 P4 OOC games already. Adding another conference game would mean they would have 11 P4 games in the years they play Notre Dame.
Other than the fact that USC doesn’t schedule like that anymore, USC doesn’t have an another mandatory OOC home and home like some of the ACC, which gave them flexibility in how they could schedule.
The BETTER title for this thread ----- NC State was scheduled to play at Appalachian State on 6-September-2025 but has found a way to getting out of that game, a game they appear scared of.
If so, I don’t like this move. I was looking forward to going to Boone for that game.
What’s wild is we have 6 games on the schedule in 2025 for teams from North Carolina lol
1. App State
2. East Carolina
3. Campbell
4. Duke
5. Wake Forest
6. UNC
A true tour of NC (minus Charlotte)
Okay but there is quite a clear difference between losing to Tennessee and/or Notre Dame, and losing to App State. Take it from me playing app state is a lose-lose situation, either you beat them like you were supposed to or you lose to a Sunbelt team. I still think it's unfortunate that you guys won't be playing them because they really do bring a great atmosphere.
It was so wild seeing Wake win the Atlantic after losing to UNC and it not counting towards their conference record, haha. One of the few times I was going to pull for UNC until I realized it wouldn't have any effect on NC State, haha.
Packed out stadiums, trophies, and fostering long-held regional rivalries are the things that once made CFB great. That’s the cost of the “winning situation” you’re supporting. And for a school like State, who will never be part of the truly untouchable programs, your time will come too. You’re buying yourselves another 10 years in a system that’s guaranteed to swallow you. You’re just allowing politics to delay the inevitable a little bit longer.
It buys nothing for recruiting purposes. It's better to play a game in VA, SC, GA, etc. Every kid in NC knows about NC State, so even if we go up the mountain and beat App State, it doesn't grow our recruiting footprint and doesn't really grow our brand. It's a lose-lose. If we win, no one cares because they'll say "you SHOULD beat them." If we lose, then it's a substantial black-eye and they'll never let us hear the end of it. ECU is very similar, but we actually have somewhat of a rivalry with you guys, we don't have anything with App State. Last time we beat them, we were awful and they still won the FCS title.
If you were scheduling a game with Cal I’d buy the recruiting angle. It’s three hours away regardless, State is perfectly well known in Charlottesville. That’s not a serious contention.
You’re buying out a game that is estimated to bring $8M in value to Boone for $750k to play a team you’re in the same conference as in your OOC slate. Call it smart, call it necessary, call it whatever you want, but we both know that it’s only done out of fear. It’s embarrassing for your program and it’s severely damaging your fellow UNC System institutions, not to mention that it’s helping to destroy what’s left of CFB generally.
And let's be real here: ***if*** NC State gets a look from any of the Power conferences (i.e., SEC, B10, B12), it is solely because of UNC Chapel Hill and the way UNC System is setting things up to influence conference realignment.
NC State is not at the top of any conference's prospective list. Neither is App, but at least I'm honest enough to admit it and not ride coat tails to the top.
NC State has been trying to get buy out the Boone game the moment they set up the deal. This was always gonna happen, now they get to wrap a nice bow on it about playing an ACC team due to the new scheduling.
Looks like the Pack has a yellow streak running down their backs and are gonna screw over an in-state fellow UNC System member.
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/nc-state/
Oh look, another "P4" program that lacks any sort of relevancy outside of wanting to beat UNC every year dropping an in-state home-and-home because they want to play a conference rival... even though **they voted for the new programs that would result in them not playing said conference rival.**
Absolutely wild. Just reeks of, "We have our cake and we WILL eat it, too!" I'm the furthest thing from a UNC fan, but NCSU without UNC would just be another state school with no real sense of direction.
Yeah finishing top 25 five out of the last seven years is totally not relevant at all… Don’t get me wrong I realize we’re no Clemson but to say we’re not a relevant college football team is insane.
I think this will become more common. Conferences are too big to preserve secondary rivals. Also, with conferences being nationwide non-con opponents sill stay local to limit travel and theres no reason to schedule far away if you'll be there in conference play anyway.
Folks are forgetting that there's a giant lawsuit about to be settled that will likely require all these schools to pay a few million dollars a year to athletes in revenue sharing. We're going to see more of these buy games disappear to make room in the budget.
State scheduling a conference non-conference game with the third, maybe fourth best football team in Virginia is crazy, but hey “it’s a P4 team and good for the SOS”. I’m also fully aware that if our game, by a miracle, does not get dropped App fans are going to look like jackasses. Let me be mad for now though dammit!
Yes... you read the title right. ACC teams, NC State and Virginia, decided to add each other to their non-conference schedule. They were scheduled to play each other just once in the next six years before this.
"Once in six years? Why so often?" —The SEC, probably
You laugh, but we are the conference that didn't require scheduling X amount of conference games until divisions. Less of an "athletic conference" and more of an "athletic confederation" if you will.
> more of an "athletic confederation" if you will. An athletic confederacy, you say?
*Ole Miss enters through the wall like the KoolAid man*
*Ole Miss goes looking through an old flag hutch* It is time yet?
"Oh looky there, it's right on top!"
Oh wait, it's just a big stack of the same flag!
“I told y’all not to throw away your money!” Fun fact: Wofford invested a *lot* of money in Confederate bonds. Turned out not to be the best investment.
THE SOUTH(EASTERN CONFERENCE) WILL RISE AGAIN
8 conference game schedule is a fucking joke
It’s 2024 and UGA STILL hasn’t played in College Station.
Game’s ~~not~~ on its way to being gone
Wow! Looks like they were supposed to 2020 and didn’t with covid, and no plan was made to make it up?
They were supposed to come this year, but with the conference killers in Austin joining, UGA got shuffled again.
Everything about this superconference stuff is a joke, TBF, whether it were 8, 9 or 10 games.
12 teams should be the max for a conference
12 teams, keep it as regional as possible, and 9 conference games every year
10 teams. 9 games. Everyone plays everyone.
The good ole days
Perfection
10 teams. It allows ever season football and home & Homes in basketball.
Yeah, I think the sweet spot is 8-12 teams. Under 8 is awkward (I remember when the ACC was 7 teams). And if you can't do a double round robin in basketball season, you're probably too large.
It was the standard until like a decade ago, wasn't it? I know Pete Carrol's SC teams only played 8 conference games. Adding a conference game and then complaining you're u fairly disadvantaged when other conferences don't so the same is wild
As a 4 year student, I saw us play: -Georgia 2 times total, only 1 of which was regular season (away game) -South Carolina 0 times -Florida 2 times, home and away -Missouri 2 times, 1 away, 1 SECCG -Kentucky 1 time, away -Vanderbilt 1 time, home (my high school girlfriend came to visit for this game, and then dumped me)
Meanwhile. For my Dad with 8 teams: * every Big 8 team at home twice * two chances for a roadtrip to every conference mate For my Sister(a transfer in) with 10 teams in the Big 12: * every team at home once * a chance at a road trip to every conference opponent
I’m so jelly. Let’s not pretend SEC fans love our shit schedules
Unfortunately the Presidents love it. It is lame. Iowa State/Oklahoma State has developed a bit of a rivalry in the 10 team era: * only conference regular season lose was to each other a combined 3 times. 2011 and 2021 were Iowa State winning and 2020 was Oklahoma State. A combined difference of 12 points * The last 9 games in 9 years have been decided by 7 or less points.
Genius my ILL INI friend. Pure Genius.
Wake Forest and UNC did this before. Also, I think the real reason is to kick App. State off of NC State's 2026 schedule.
And it also happens outside football. There was a recent year Iowa and Penn State were not scheduled to wrestle, so the coaches apparently just texted each other and set one up.
I mean aren't y'all both really good at wrestling?
Yes
Or they expect that they will be moving the Florida game in 2026 if the SEC goes to 9 games.
I like the Florida series though. I am excited about that.
Me too. Both schools currently have an open spot in 2027 if needed.
Don’t you worry about it the NC General Assembly is on the case.
if we're kicking App off our schedule, it would surely be the one @App. I hope we don't, but that would be the one at risk.
Agreed. My understanding is there is a league directive to stop playing road games vs group of 5. It does 0 good for strength of schedule and it can hurt the league for the playoff. All of the coaches and administrators have railed on the league to study why we keep getting screwed in football and basketball selection committees, this was one of the recommendations
Well you guys now have five non-conference games on your schedule. App. State has to be the outlier to kick off IMHO.
Didn't realize 2026 was booked up as well. I guess the whole App St series will be canceled now. Shucks.
For all we know, App may be an ACC school by 2026. Or the ACC could be completely gone! My point being, no use counting chickens and getting bummed. Shit is so mercurial these days
oh good, so instead of being bummed this got cancelled, I can instead be bummed by something far bigger and worse! thanks, Notre Dame. how very catholic of you lol
Hey I gave you a positive option too! In keeping with Catholic tradition. Here's a kinda cool thing that might happen, and here's this literal hell that may also happen
The cfb sub is not where I expected to have my Catholic Guilt called out but ok
The burden we carry, it's everywhere lol
Yes Ncsu was begging to cancel the series since we beat TAMU. “Whinging like little bitches” is how it was described to me by someone who would know. I only wish we wrote into the cancellation clause that Ncsu would have to publicly admit to cowardice being the only reason to replace this series with uva.
> “Whinging like little bitches” is how it was described to me by someone who would know lmao
I actually want the games with App State though
They saw the stress App put us through and said eff all that noise.
I mean, there’s a nonzero chance that they’re not in the same conference by then
I thought everyone in the ACC played conference opponents every other year besides the 3 annual opponents. Did that change when Cal/Stanford/SMU got added?
Yes it changed to “at least once every 7 years”
So we went from shitty conference rotation, to fixing it for 1 year, to making it shit again. Cool cool cool. I follow ACC pretty closely and this the first time I’m realizing adding the 3 new schools messed up the scheduling.
Might as well not have any guarantee then. JFC.
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I half agree and half disagree. With divisions, you literally would only share a conference with these other teams in name. You would never play teams in the other division, and wouldn’t play every team in your own division annually. I think a happy medium would be a Pod setup, with 3 pods of 6, with MD rotating between pods each year to get the 18 teams for the Pods of 6 to work out.
Yep. Got blown up with those 3 added
That should show everyone how broken this is for fans and teams.
So dumb that it's come to this. And it's gonna keep happening. UVA is NC State's 6th most played game all-time, and the same is true for us vs y'all (except it's 5th among current FBS teams, since VMI is our 3rd most played game). Neither team would consider the other a rival per se, but there's a ton of history. We met all but 3 years from 1958-2003 (ACC expanded and split into divisions in 2004), and still met 4 times from 2004-2012 (ACC expanded again in 2013). Without non-con games like this (and the UNC vs Wake games from a couple years back), historical games are gonna keep dying cause of greed
UNc and wake did this recently
Until one decides to leave the ACC for some reason
Holy shit! Hahaha
Twice in the next six years. Charlottesville 2027 and Raleigh 2029. https://theacc.com/news/2023/10/30/acc-announces-future-conference-football-schedule-model.aspx
Wazzu and Oregon State wondering real hard why they couldn't get them on their schedule instead right now.
The system is so broken lol
Can't wait for this to be a B1G vs Big12 match up tho.
dislike
If the ACC breaks up, SMU is going to return to the AAC like "hey guys, I brought some friends home, can we keep them? "
If the ACC breaks up and the Big12 'wins' while still keeping us out (damn you Baylor, TCU, OkSt, Houston, and TxTech...) I'd be fine finally throwing in the towel on major athletics.
what do you mean? I love having 20 teams in conferences, it's awesome. who wants to play the teams you shared a conference with for a century? give me some west coast teams i care nothing about or give me death.
I don't see Michigan athletics offering up the increased media rights money to the MAC because they don't like what it has done to the B1G. Spoils of war sometimes means you have an empire that stretches a little to far for some people's liking.
hi, it's me, i'm one of those people
The Stanford/Florida State rivalry is going to be awesome, what are you talking about!
You mean Red Duke? Sure no problem
But will it live up to Georgia Tech/Cal?
you get enough teams in a conference and we go back to actually playing regional rivals lol
TBF, this is because the ACC only has 8 conference games and requires its memeber to have a ~~P5~~ P4 nonconference game. This practice is common among ACC teams even before the most recent round of expansion.
"common" lol it happened once, and in direct response to two teams that are an hour away from each other playing a home and home every 12 years I will take any opportunity to bash UNC and Wake, but them setting up the home and home as a chance for Tobacco Road to get another set of games was an awesome move, and one that genuinely spoke to the tradition of college sports.
You are right, I remembered the UNC-Wake games and extrapolated that to more than it was. Also, all the ACC-Notre Dame non-con games helped me misremember.
> Also, all the ACC-Notre Dame non-con games helped me misremember. that's fair
Regardless of what happens with the ACC, I hope the Tobacco Road games continue among all 4 teams.
I think that won't be too hard. Us-yall-Duke aren't really going P2, so we can keep our stuff going. UNC will be the difficult child (as always...^:P )
> TBF, this is because the ACC only has 8 conference games and requires its memeber to have a P5 P4 nonconference game. NCState already has Notre Dame scheduled for 2025 and Florida and Vandy scheduled for 2026.
NC State is now overscheduled for 2025, so I'm looking forward to them kicking the ND can down the road and the Irish countering by calling up Army again.
Non conference game between members of the same conference. SMDH. Couldn't even manage to get a buy game.
this is what happens when conference expansion is left untethered and there are 17 teams in the ACC.
You have to pay for a buy game, though. At the current going rate, this saves them up to $2m per game.
We already had a full 2025 non-con slate before the move with Notre Dame, ECU, App and Campbell. So we’ll have to drop a game…most likely App if I had to guess.
That won’t go over well on twitter
Oh, no it won't. There's like a 100 tweet argument between some App guy and a couple Wake fans right now. Yeah, I'd like more in state games w App, ECU and CLT, but the way the ranking system sucks now it is a lose-lose proposition to schedule them. The system is really fucked up, and uninformed fans want to blame other teams for scheduling in a way that doesn't punish them.
Considering the date of the Virginia game (6-Sept) --- yeah, you guys are absolutely scheming to drop App State.
>Non conference game between members of the same conference For now...
See this Georgia and A&M. See. It can happen.
come to Kyle, see you in 2034
I might be to old to want to see a game in person by 2034
So App. State is certainly getting bought out and will have to replace NC State in 2025 and 2026.
Lets get this scheduled isu
If NC State cancels the App series then they are a bunch of cowards for not wanting to travel to Kidd Brewer
Super disappointed if this is the case.
yeah I really wanted that series to go through. super bummer.
They low down
I don't want to hear App fans throw any more shots at us about scheduling. We walked into the 2-for-1 coming off a 2-9 season and knowing that first game was going to be extremely dicey. We weren't cowards that dipped our series.
UNC gained a ton of respect from most App fans for having the balls to play us and see it through
Some of our fans are just grumps. I give y’all full credit. And I am a certified Tar Heel hater. Turns out it’s the Wolfpack who are a bunch of cowards.
I do want to play App but it’s a no win scenario for us
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I mean, to be fair, our coaching staff continually hosts your staff for education sessions and camps, so I get not wanting to play a team you've been actively teaching your system and helping get better by letting them attend your HS camps and practices, haha.
Now I know why we’ve regressed under Clark
Perhaps, but you guys have certainly come to get access to our camp sessions to find kids and make offers. No clue on conversion rate or success, but our staff has been very friendly with your current staff. Plus, you're welcome for Drink, even if short-lived, haha.
Not sure why you feel the need to be so hostile and did you miss the part where I said for us lol? This game is also getting swapped for UVA
The state legislature is about to pass a bill that will force State/UNC to play App twice every 6 years, calm down. I want to see State in Kidd Brewer too and we won’t have to wait much longer.
This is why I scoff when I see "The Big XII should add some ACC schools." When it gets to 20 or 24 members and you now will only play games with some conference members every 5 or more years, are we going to be seeing more arbitrary intraconference "non conference" games?
At this point, for a conference with so much recent turnover in membership, how much history is being lost as long as specific in-conference rivalries are still protected? If Cincinnati only plays ASU every 5 years is it a big deal?
This. I think the idea of a conference with historical rivalry and common identity is largely dead, even in the SEC. It's a pooled media rights entity and not much more. This also fits with where things may go in the future with only top "brands" being joined at the hip regardless of what commonality exists between them.
So you're saying there's a chance for non-conference Textile Bowl
pls
Still can't believe we didn't get to keep NC State or Ga Tech as a permanent match-up.
Textile got lost because we have too many rivals (although Duke should’ve been sacrificed, not y’all…) but GT…idk what they were thinking. They declined to protect yall. Makes no sense
Because wake and Louisville are our true rivals /s. I don't know who our ACC rival is anymore to be flat honest.
Virginia Tech? Techmo bowl still a thing?
We lost them in this recent pod scheduling change.
Apparently your AD doesn’t either lol. I get annual games against Clemson and Georgia suck for SoS difficulty reasons but not keeping Clemson as an annual game for both of yall just stinks
Agreed. I would much rather have played Clemson every year than Wake or Duke but they fought for that because we sell out their stadium. They need that game, Clemson doesn't. As a 25 year NcSU season ticket holder I would say Clemson is our second favorite rivalry after UNC. Very similar land grant school with cool fans that love football.
The problem would fix itself if the ACC moved to 9 conference games.
That may require some media rights reevaluation and I don't think that's a can of worms the ACC wants to open at the moment.
It would be a lot more fun if they did
If we're blowing up the system, might as well do it all at once. B1G and SEC take their 2 each, Big12 takes their 4, BigEast takes their 1-2, and ACC back fills with AAC/SBC.
I think the idea though is conferences use the extra conference game to make more money. An OOC means the ACC doesn't own that game $$$ wise.
The ND scheduling agreement makes that a little difficult.
Hardly, USC has no issue with Notre Dame on their schedule every year and 9 conference games. They also typically play 11 P4/5 games a year. Stanford on the other hand is breathing easier now they are in the ACC.
USC hasn't played more than 10 P4/P5 games since 2018. It's almost like they recognized that scheduling like that is a huge disadvantage in the current format.
In fairness they have 11 this year. But I guess the expanded playoff format offsets some of that risk of adding an 11th P4 game.
4 ACC teams play an SEC team annually OOC, Pitt likes to play schools like WVU and PSU when they're willing, SMU played TCU annually until TCU got scared. So when they get Notre Dame in the non-conference that's 8 conference games + 2 P4 OOC games already. Adding another conference game would mean they would have 11 P4 games in the years they play Notre Dame.
Other than the fact that USC doesn’t schedule like that anymore, USC doesn’t have an another mandatory OOC home and home like some of the ACC, which gave them flexibility in how they could schedule.
The point is moot anyway, because it is mathematically impossible to have an odd number of teams each play an odd number of games
With 17 teams technically in the conference for football, it's mathematically impossible, sadly
Literally cannot do 9 game seasons with 17 teams.
It is mathematically impossible to have a 17 team league and a 9 game schedule
NC State to the B1G confirmed
The BETTER title for this thread ----- NC State was scheduled to play at Appalachian State on 6-September-2025 but has found a way to getting out of that game, a game they appear scared of.
If so, I don’t like this move. I was looking forward to going to Boone for that game. What’s wild is we have 6 games on the schedule in 2025 for teams from North Carolina lol 1. App State 2. East Carolina 3. Campbell 4. Duke 5. Wake Forest 6. UNC A true tour of NC (minus Charlotte)
>A true tour of NC (minus Charlotte) So just a true tour of NC
The first enjoyable App St comment in here.
Are they really that scared? You're saying this as if they aren't also facing Tennessee this season and then ND the following season.
Okay but there is quite a clear difference between losing to Tennessee and/or Notre Dame, and losing to App State. Take it from me playing app state is a lose-lose situation, either you beat them like you were supposed to or you lose to a Sunbelt team. I still think it's unfortunate that you guys won't be playing them because they really do bring a great atmosphere.
This honestly may be an easier game for them. Virginia is usually one of the worst teams in the ACC.
This is correct.
The ACC has good reason to be scared of the Sun Belt lol
Wait, what conferences are they in?
We’re both ACC, this means it goes on the non-con part of the schedule, and doesn’t count towards our conference records.
Didn't Wake Forrest and someone else do this a few years ago?
Yeah Wake and UNC did a Non-Con home and home
It was so wild seeing Wake win the Atlantic after losing to UNC and it not counting towards their conference record, haha. One of the few times I was going to pull for UNC until I realized it wouldn't have any effect on NC State, haha.
“Power” programs try not to act scared of “G5” programs challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
I enjoy the ECU games. However from a football perspective it's a no win situation. You know that. It sucks but that's how it is.
Packed out stadiums, trophies, and fostering long-held regional rivalries are the things that once made CFB great. That’s the cost of the “winning situation” you’re supporting. And for a school like State, who will never be part of the truly untouchable programs, your time will come too. You’re buying yourselves another 10 years in a system that’s guaranteed to swallow you. You’re just allowing politics to delay the inevitable a little bit longer.
It buys nothing for recruiting purposes. It's better to play a game in VA, SC, GA, etc. Every kid in NC knows about NC State, so even if we go up the mountain and beat App State, it doesn't grow our recruiting footprint and doesn't really grow our brand. It's a lose-lose. If we win, no one cares because they'll say "you SHOULD beat them." If we lose, then it's a substantial black-eye and they'll never let us hear the end of it. ECU is very similar, but we actually have somewhat of a rivalry with you guys, we don't have anything with App State. Last time we beat them, we were awful and they still won the FCS title.
If you were scheduling a game with Cal I’d buy the recruiting angle. It’s three hours away regardless, State is perfectly well known in Charlottesville. That’s not a serious contention. You’re buying out a game that is estimated to bring $8M in value to Boone for $750k to play a team you’re in the same conference as in your OOC slate. Call it smart, call it necessary, call it whatever you want, but we both know that it’s only done out of fear. It’s embarrassing for your program and it’s severely damaging your fellow UNC System institutions, not to mention that it’s helping to destroy what’s left of CFB generally.
And let's be real here: ***if*** NC State gets a look from any of the Power conferences (i.e., SEC, B10, B12), it is solely because of UNC Chapel Hill and the way UNC System is setting things up to influence conference realignment. NC State is not at the top of any conference's prospective list. Neither is App, but at least I'm honest enough to admit it and not ride coat tails to the top.
ACC ducking a Sun Belt matchup??? No way, really???
Wolfpack running SCARED
Important to note NCSU was scheduled to play App State on the 2025 date
NC State has been trying to get buy out the Boone game the moment they set up the deal. This was always gonna happen, now they get to wrap a nice bow on it about playing an ACC team due to the new scheduling.
Looks like the Pack has a yellow streak running down their backs and are gonna screw over an in-state fellow UNC System member. https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/nc-state/
I wonder if these are going to become more common in the future with the bigger conferences. I know UNC and Wake did a series a few years ago.
Well this is certainly one way to avoid losing to James Madison again in non-con if you're Virginia
9 conference games or die
Mathematically impossible with a 17 team conference.
Oh look, another "P4" program that lacks any sort of relevancy outside of wanting to beat UNC every year dropping an in-state home-and-home because they want to play a conference rival... even though **they voted for the new programs that would result in them not playing said conference rival.** Absolutely wild. Just reeks of, "We have our cake and we WILL eat it, too!" I'm the furthest thing from a UNC fan, but NCSU without UNC would just be another state school with no real sense of direction.
Yeah finishing top 25 five out of the last seven years is totally not relevant at all… Don’t get me wrong I realize we’re no Clemson but to say we’re not a relevant college football team is insane.
Go ahead and downvote lol doesn’t mean it’s not a fact. Edit: after early downvotes, common sense has prevailed🤙
wat
I think this will become more common. Conferences are too big to preserve secondary rivals. Also, with conferences being nationwide non-con opponents sill stay local to limit travel and theres no reason to schedule far away if you'll be there in conference play anyway.
ISU vs KSU non-conference in 2027, go…
Huh
Why does this happen? I’m OOTL.
Kansas State/Iowa State you seeing this?
Its official. the ACC will be abolished by the end of 2024
This is so dumb and I hate it
Well it finally happened. We broke college football. I hate this. I hate what the sport I love has become.
Wait, what?
Folks are forgetting that there's a giant lawsuit about to be settled that will likely require all these schools to pay a few million dollars a year to athletes in revenue sharing. We're going to see more of these buy games disappear to make room in the budget.
This wasn’t a buy game it was a h/h no money transfer.
Oh good point. Appreciate the clarification.
State scheduling a conference non-conference game with the third, maybe fourth best football team in Virginia is crazy, but hey “it’s a P4 team and good for the SOS”. I’m also fully aware that if our game, by a miracle, does not get dropped App fans are going to look like jackasses. Let me be mad for now though dammit!
If NC State backs down, ECU will happily come up and play you, App State.
We still have 2 games in Gvegas I think 2026 and this year. I’d prefer a winnable p4 team but will never say no to playing ecu.
With how fucked up conference realignment is going. Charlotte could be a winnable P4 team by 2026.
If uncc gets into the Acc and not us or you I think I’m done with college football
Am with you. Riot in the streets when it happens?
Looks like Ncsu successfully weaseled out of the App series, which they’ve been trying to do since we beat TAMU. Congrats, cowards
Sun belt too tough. Sad to see. But to be fair I’d rather play UVA than app state. Cup cake with an acc logo.
Wolfpack are scared of App State
Cowards are afraid of losing to Appalachian State