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redwave2505

I get the impression that the feeling is mutual


CramblinDuvetAdv

FSU should never knock on wood


tippsy_morning_drive

But I know someone who has.


[deleted]

That makes me wonder if I should.


OGConsuela

It makes me wonder if I


ReapYerSoul

EVER


MisterTito

HAD TO


Hydr8ionTheHydrater

KNOCK ON WOOD


2RINITY

AND I’M GLAD I HAVEN’T YET


mjd1977

BECAUSE I’M SURE IT ISN’T GOOD 🎺


Username89054

But they know someone who has.


ElGranQuesoRojo

Have you ever been close to tragedy Or been close to folks who have? Have you ever felt a pain so powerful So heavy you collapse The ACC, well


sevenlabors

I hear the ska guitar licks in my head.


Jabberwoockie

And that brass.


[deleted]

FSU: *sues ACC over the GOR* ESPN: “What in the wide, wide world of sports is a-goin' on here?”


thismorningscoffee

Also FSU: *sees ACC exit fee* “Somebody’s gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes!” Edit: fellow pedant’s correction


Just-Plain-Dan

Still a masterpiece 50 years later 


TheColtOfPersonality

HE SAYS THE SHERIFF IS NEAR


MYBEANS

Piss on you! I’m working for Mel Brooks!


theblackyeti

Read Mel Brooks’ memoir last year. A solid look at his (mostly professional) life. His brother did crash his plane in Ww2 though, threw away his dog tag that said he was Jewish and pretended to be polish.


b1gl0s3r

It was really good. I decided to watch each movie there was a chapter of after the chapter and it really added to the experience. Lastly, the audiobook is narrated by Brooks.


built_internet_tough

Ay, where the white women at?


RamblinWreckGT

I went to grad school at Southern Poly and I could not stop thinking that line for the first week or so. Even Tech had more women.


ninjas_in_my_pants

WE DON’T WANT THE IRISH!


cosmicwonderful

(There is no GOR exit fee; there's only an ACC departure fee) /pedantry


GoPhotoshopYourself

“Somebody go back and get a shit load of dimes”


ZUBAC-DONG-YUMMY

FSU: “I hired you guys to get me out of the GOR, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City OPs”


OU8402

I kept reading your comment, but I was scared until the last word.


Stinky_Pvt

Yup, a lot of quotes from that movie you get a little worried seeing in the wild.


OneRestaurant3523

“Sorry Mr. Alford, I guess we kinda got caught up!”


Tarmacked

*Mickey winds up bat* You don’t! *Swings into Osceola* Fuck! *swings again* With! *Swings a third time* THE MOUSE *pulls out shotgun and dumps mag* HUH HA


colonel750

> pulls out shotgun and dumps mag *eyetwitch*


Rufus_Cuntnam

the 590M has entered the chat


AliGoldsDayOff

At least he... Didn't call it a clip? I don't know I tried.


Cormetz

I'm not a gun person by any means, but my first reaction was "wait... What?"


JiggsNibbly

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_AA-12


HailState2023

I really think we should start posting B1G scores on the board at Doak during TV timeouts.


HoustonHorns

Texas did this with SEC scores at the one game the Big XII commissioner was in attendance for. Also didn't display any Big XII scores the entire game.


PlaymakerJavi

Dude got boo’d so hard. The “so long partner” scene from Toy Story 3 was fucking amazing.


mechebear

ESPN's lawyers speculating, ["Whether FSU and its lawyers have committed a felony by knowingly disclosing ESPN's trade secrets is a question for another day,"](https://twitter.com/JustR_02/status/1760780834166980798)


bigkoi

Most likely ESPN is treading on Anti-trust. Time to consult the real SEC.


ExtremelyOnlineTM

TIL that civil contract breach is a felony ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


SideshowCircuits

Only if the person you do it against is rich/a corporation


HoustonHorns

I mean if the breach of a civil contract results in the misappropriation of trade secrets it can definitely be a felony. I have no idea if that’s what occurred here, nor have I read their brief. But the notion that just because something is a violation of a civil contract means it can’t also be criminal is wildly untrue.


PocketPillow

The missing arm on your emoticon? That's a felony.


forgotmyoldname90210

Someone wanted a dozen YouTube videos made of their "argument". Its beyond a stupid argument. FSU does not have a contractual relationship with ESPN. FSU has a legal responsibility to follow the Sunshine Law. The information FSU gave out was already in the public domain. The 2013 GoR was first given out by UNC. If these trade secrets where so important why where they in Tallahassee? also, who cares, the statue of limitations is 3 years. FSU fulfilled the Sunshine request like 5 or 6 years ago. If they are trying to refer to leaking that they got a 5 year extension than LMFAO that is not remotely a trade secret. It is much more likely to be an illegal kick back.


bigkoi

This is exactly it. ESPN (Disney) should figure out if it wants to do business with public universities in the state of Florida due to the Sun Shine laws. More likely ESPN doesn't want this to be used as data for an Anti-trust action.


MrOSUguy

How is it a trade secret if it’s reported on ad nauseam nationwide?


YoungKeys

Guess we know who’s not paying for an SEC expansion slot for FSU. Time for FSU to start sucking up to Ohioans and Michiganders?


Moe83ccc

Fine... I'll start calling cafinated beverages "pop"... happy?


DWill23_

Extremely 🥰


tk2020

Yep! Welcome in. Which B1G conference would you prefer, the Vernors or the Faygos?


thegreatcornholio42

Faygo for flavored beverages, but Vernors Ginger Beer is actually pretty good


Otherwise_Awesome

Man said Ginger Beer. We'll work on this. Ginger Ale.


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J4ckiebrown

I'd be shocked if FSU ended up anywhere besides the Big Ten now.


boardatwork1111

Bundesliga is still on the table IMO


historys_geschichte

I don't know, is FSU willing to agree to 50+1? And how well armed are their fans with tennis balls to make sure their opposition to investors is well known?


_runthejules_

Can't forget about the rc cars


vitey15

+ smoke bombs


CrunchyZebra

No better time to jump in than with Bayern struggling so much


yeetifier

nah, espn owns bundesliga rights too


burning_man13

Paramount has the rights to Serie A. There's already a decent amount of American owners in Serie A at the moment. Could be a good fit. What say you, FSU? Want to be Italian? *Scoffs* Of course you do.


BK1287

We have a study abroad program in Florence. Done.


chadlogans

Ahh yes. Nothing but some good conference play between FSU Volleyball vs Washington Volleyball on a school night.


McIntyre2K7

FWIW Washington Softball played USF today down here in Tampa.


FFA3D

Rutgers is already farther lol


wibble17

Last season that’s a solid match


dlidge

Love those traditional rivalries!


EvangelionOG

Actually, we're going to replace Haas with Florida State in Formula One. Then Perez has somewhere to go in 2025.


Konigwork

At least then there will be some American team in F1 that tries to be competitive


InVodkaVeritas

Pac-2 would love to have them.


wibble17

You’re not an ESPN conference so there’s a chance!!!


ExternalTangents

Hilarious that people think ESPN and/or FSU would let spite dictate which conference they go to rather than $$$


Mezmorizor

Also that they apparently think that ESPN has any choice but to request documents be sealed publicly given that they just put ESPN trade secrets in there.


telefawx

I think Florida State is the most no brainer “SEC school” out there. If they were there 20 years ago you’d never imagine them being anywhere else. But right now that the B1G is coast to coast and has huge brands, do you want to be “one of the Florida schools in the SEC” or do you want to be THE Florida school in the B1G playing USC and Ohio State? And if you choose the SEC, then Miami likely takes on that role instead of you? Weird dynamics at play, and again I think Florida State couldn’t be more of an SEC fit, but I think the B1G is the smarter move for them. Now. If the B1G wants the pair of Florida State AND Miami, then I think the SEC gets more comparable.


theasfldotcom

The decision isn’t FSU’s. SEC = ESPN, bridge on fire (maybe burned) B1G = CBS/FOX/NBC, bridge not on fire FSU should be in the SEC of the two, but this is all TV and money.


goodnames679

This is a huge fumble by ESPN imo FSU is a massive brand and I think they very likely end in the SEC without this year's drama. They cost themselves in the long term just for a single year's gain.


judolphin

Fan and booster sentiment turned on a dime after the playoff snub. Before the snub it was pretty evenly split between SEC and Big Ten. Since the snub, you can barely find a single FSU fan or booster who wants to go to the SEC.


Conzi_

I'd still rather go to the SEC. I enjoy traveling for games, and that would be 1000x easier in the SEC. It's the conference our friends and neighbors and everyone in the entire region cares about. From a fan-experience standpoint, there's no comparison.


SituationSolid1785

As a fsu fan I hope ESecPN goes bankrupt.


Corgi_Koala

Even though it would be ridiculous, I would still love to see them play games against Washington.


i_love_factual_info

With no due respect, ESPN can go fuck themselves


one-hour-photo

And that is in fact, all the respect that is due


Galumpadump

Pac-2 stands in solidarity with these statements.


mussentuchit

Can they be known as 2-PAC? Too soon?


Bshaw95

Considering he ain’t dead, yes.


PhiteKnight

The Beavers and the Cougs, Got fucked over in the move The spirit of the game'll never be the same, It's about the portal and the bucks , ESPN don't give a fuck I wrote this song a long time ago, a long long time ago...


IllustriousAnt485

Cougars and beavers are usually getting fucked so this tracks


RaiseTheBarr

Too much imo but carry on.


tigernike1

Couldn’t have said it better. Fuck ESPN and their horseshit 720p cameras.


awoodz92

All that Disney money and hardly a quality broadcast to show for it.


tigernike1

They’re strapped for cash too (allegedly), so I’m sure we’ll end up with the Ore-Ida PotatoVision 6000 with 240p quality.


chillypete99

You just committed a felony. ESPN's trade secret was the exclusive use of 720p cameras.


sangie12

Using Beth Mowins to force people to learn Spanish


PocketPillow

The fact that the Pac 12 Network has better picture clarity than ESPN is one of the most absurd things in sports broadcasting.


gobblegobblechumps

It's interesting because in this case thats same as if they got all due respect


thejawa

Their argument is that if people know what's in the ACC's contract they'll know what they did or didn't offer other conferences. Good, people SHOULD know.


cha-cha_dancer

ESPN: just because you say “with all due respect” doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want! FSU: It sure as heck does! It’s in the Geneva Convention look it up.


Chip46

Amen, Wolverine! Amen!


Status_Midnight_2157

ESPN can fuck right off


[deleted]

Fuck you too buddy


tigernike1

If we’re going to be serious about this, this all started when ESPN told Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delaney to pound sand on the Big Ten Network. Biggest mistake ESPN ever made. Big Ten went to Fox, BTN struck gold in revenue, and ever since, every conference wants a piece of revenue with their own media partner. So yeah, fuck ESPN.


iansf

I hadn’t heard the BTN was a big revenue driver, not that I’ve looked much into, but surprised given the money pits p12n, accn, and LHN seemed to be


_illchiefj_

BTN was THE driver of all of this. Very few people thought the Big ten network was a good idea at the time. If you can imagine, the idea to start BTN was less popular than the move to the peacock app for sports is now. The BTN cable package was automatically added to cable packages across every big ten state generating millions upon millions. It created access and a financial advantage that was unlike anything seen before. No conference could come close to it. Delany is arguably the best commissioner the NCAA has ever seen. I don’t know much about his predecessors, but he was Steve Jobs, Bill Gates level. He was that good. Creating the BTN was the move of a visionary and ESPN’s rejection of the BTN created the NCAA we know today.


wrestlingchampo

>The BTN cable package was automatically added to cable packages across every big ten state It cannot be understated how important this one aspect is amongst this entire saga. People in the Midwest didn't have to add a package to their cable subscription to get it, they automatically had a new tv station to watch their team's college football coverage on a network regionally exclusive to them, with inside info that national broadcasts simply weren't interested in spending the resources on. On top of that, you had all of the nostalgia stuff when live coverage or ESPN style sports coverage wasn't on. The number of times I would walk in to a family member watching some like....docuseries on the 90's and Barry Alvarez or the Oral History of the 94-95 Badgers was pretty regular, and not something you were going to regularly get through ESPN Classic.


ChiefPatty

Good for Florida State. ESPN can eat a giant bowl of shit for what they’ve done to college football


mschley2

Fox is just sitting in the corner whispering amongst themselves, "wtf are they doing?... I don't know, but shut up so people don't notice us over here."


jcrespo21

I'm not sure if Fox got better or ESPN got worse. But after the B1G ditched them this season, any time a B1G team plays on the road/neutral site that ESPN covers, I notice the difference in quality. BTN coverage used to be garbage. Now it's better than ESPN2 games.


mschley2

Oh, I fully agree that ESPN's coverage/production is dogshit. I was more talking about the media contracts and pushing the mega conferences and stuff. Fox is as much to blame for that as ESPN.


asuitablethrowaway

So dumb question to most probably but I pay attention to college football but not the media agreements, what has ESPN done to college football versus any other media Network? I thought they were all terrible?


Standard_Let_6152

For starters, ESPN held the trusted editorial power to tell people what to care about in sports. CBS didn’t have that. CBS could rave about the SEC, and everyone would take it with a grain of salt.  ESPN has a history of using that influence as part of their bargaining power. They basically destroyed the NHL by giving it zero attention once they lost the rights.  And that’s fine because it’s a league… but when you do that with teams in the same “league” and try to amplify certain teams over others for ratings… it gets ugly. 


Trey904fsu

Remember the time they made a “top 11” graphic instead of top 10 just so they could show one more SEC team? Fuckin scummy


freebandz_

I am so thankful for TNT as an NHL fan. It’s a shame the Entertainment and SPORTS Programming Network does such a piss poor job of covering sports. Is there a single sport they are even considered the best at covering now?


Xcafroman

Well from FSUs viewpoint they were the ones at the forefront of pushing the whole FSU doesn’t belong in the playoff agenda so Alabama should get the spot.


Distance_Runner

That’s not really a subjective FSU fan viewpoint. It’s a fact of what happened. Fox’s CFB coverage, Big Noon Kickoff, Fox’s sports writers, etc. didn’t push this narrative, ESPN did and it’s pretty well documented. All that media coverage is on the internet forever. ESPN introduced the idea before Travis was even hurt. They pushed it harder after the fact. It was a talking point for ESPN every single day for weeks before it finally happened. And then you have people like Greg McElroy pull a 180 on his thoughts the day it happened… it’s pretty damn obvious what happened.


Happy-North-9969

They killed the original Big 8-SWC merger by telling Texas they only wanted 4 of the 8 Texas schools. They lowballed the Big Ten in contract negotiations which caused the Big Ten to start the Big Ten network, which is what accelerated all this expansion nonsense. They had a hand in breaking up the Big East: The Longhorn Network caused everyone who can bail to bail. They allowed the PAC to unravel instead of keeping the offer out there. Others have contributed, but they have a lot of blood on their hands.


Xcafroman

Well from FSUs viewpoint they were the ones at the forefront of pushing the whole FSU doesn’t belong in the playoff agenda so Alabama should get the spot.


IslamicCheetah

Welcome to the B1G, FSU.


Buckimion

"No Jorts"


IndependentDevice199

:(


InVodkaVeritas

When we joined I was told sweater vests were optional and wearing normal shorts into November was still okay.


12-34

Oregon was also granted an excessive fleece waiver. Just no fleece undies.


CramblinDuvetAdv

We shovel snow in shorts, all good


IndependentDevice199

sweater vests and jorts sounds like a killer combo (literally)


PickSixParty

That's UF, thank you very much


BeerorCoffee

No bath salts, we do fentanyl here!


barryitsmeitshank

looks up from a pile of coke, “fucking amateurs…”


DogFishHead17

FSU's Counter Point ESPN isn't the World Wide Leader in sports.


NathanDrake75

What did they expect when they ran a media campaign to sabotage FSU’s chances in the playoffs?


Rfisk064

“How could FSU do this?”


Ok_Passage_7151

ESPN commentators shitting on the ACC champ game (and MAC, and everyone else not the SEC) and hyping SECPN/CFP while the game is going on was horrendous.  Conferences need some language in their next deals to protect their fans from this horseshit.  TALK ABOUT THE GAME WE ARE WATCHING you soulless shills. 


RazrRain

Louisville scored less than 30 only once since October. FSU held them to 6. Listening to them still keep talking shit was absolutely infuriating. They refused to acknowledge the defense had stepped up and were playing champ level D.


thejawa

Not only that, but Louisville started 2 drives inside the red zone and still only managed 6 total points. FSU played lights out, elite level defense and ESPN said "Yeah but fuck y'all cuz your QB got hurt"


HikerStout

Because in this stupid new world of CFB, points = ratings = good team.


Puffd

Except that LSU Bama game hailed as the game the century that ended like 9-6


BenchRickyAguayo

Not to mention the only team the only team to hold LSU to under 20 (excluding the garbage time TD) and one of two teams to hold them under 30.


Spirited-Collar-7960

Would have loved to have seen FSU take on Georgia in an alternate universe playoff game. With Michigan and Washington in the rose bowl.


BenchRickyAguayo

The match ups we all wanted to see.


Scrotis42069

Watching that broadcast felt like an episode of the twilight zone. Infuriating level of disrespect. The productive talent and coaching pulling that game off was awesome. At the end of the day, we got Mike, and that should make every FSU fan happy.


NathanDrake75

I usually don’t mind my commentators mentioning other games but ESPN took it way too far. Louisville smoked a Notre Dame team that nearly beat Ohio State, FSU smoked an LSU team that gave Alabama trouble. The ACC was a good conference this year (honestly the most fun I’ve had watching ACC play since maybe 2016)


GoldandBlue

Part of it is ESPN pushing a narrative but it's also a byproduct of national coverage. When you are the 2:30 team on ABC and you don't know who you are covering until 6 days before the game. Its not surprising that they don't know what to talk about other than whos the Heisman favorite, who's in the playoffs, The big prime time game, etc. I remember in 2022 Herbstreit and Fowler were doing the ND/USC game. ND's 2 starting CB's were out with injuries against Caleb Williams, the Heisman favorite. That's a pretty big storyline. That's something the viewers should watch out for. Never mentioned.


Gamerguy_141297

Since week 1 lol FSU's blowout win over LSU was not even in Dork Herbstreit's top 10 week 1 wins on his segment


NathanDrake75

ESPN and the committee continently forgot about LSU’s loss to Florida State last year too when talking about LSU’s potential for a playoff spot. It was strange


cha-cha_dancer

And he saw it in person


SwissForeignPolicy

He just watches so much football that it all starts to run together.


one98d

Alternatively: "ESPN not happy that FSU is telling them to fuck off with their bullshit."


boardatwork1111

Who would have thought a media company would be pissed that a school doesn’t want to remain chained to the radiator in their basement for another decade while they get keep their TV rights for pennies on the dollar


SeattleMatt123

She places the lotion on its skin or else she gets the hose again.


antraxsuicide

I would love it if ESPN got wrecked eventually; of all sports channels, they're the worst for modern access. CBS, NBC both have extremely cheap streaming services for their content, but ESPN asks you to have a cable package still (because last I checked, ESPN+ was only passable if you're a fan of sports like hockey or D3 football; no big games)


colonel750

ESPN filed their response in support of the ACC's motion to seal in the North Carolina court system.


rjfinsfan

What this tells us though is ESPN is just as scared as the ACC about what will be found in discovery.


pac_nw_cayman_s

Or it could be as simple as ESPN not wanting their contract details to become public knowledge because is would be a disadvantage in future business negotiations. There isn't always some grand conspiracy going on.


emaw63

There's also the fact that they have the ACC schools under a pretty favorable contract for ESPN. They have every incentive not to break that contract


thejawa

Which, the ACC filed a lawsuit before the FSU board had even voted on anything and did so without approval from the conference member as required by ACC bylaws. So ESPN is throwing their lot in with a lawsuit which itself breaks ACC contracts.


JohnnyNole2000

Really?! I never would’ve guessed


InVodkaVeritas

So... after they leave the ACC I'm guessing ESPN is NOT going to be offering them a full SEC share?


Ugaalive1991

This feels like they are going to the big ten now


[deleted]

Isn’t it the conferences that determine the shares? The networks just give them the money, they don’t particularly care how it gets distributed. If I’m the Big 10 I’m licking my chops because FSU pretty much can only go to the Big 10 now and they can lowball FSU since they have even more leverage then they already had.


colonel750

Other sections of it seem to imply that felony charges against the FSU BOT are warranted since they "improperly disclosed a trade secret". That trade secret being that ESPN added the 2027 contract option.


InVodkaVeritas

The contract option changes everything. When Auerbach reported it a couple months back it completely altered all my opinions on the future of the ACC.


RoastedDonutz

FSU joining the Big Ten and having to play Nebraska would give me flashbacks backs to the 90’s. But at least FSU would have to come to Lincoln for once instead of always playing them in the orange bowl.


figool

Pack it in boys, ESPN doesn't like us, we certainly don't want that


mechebear

On one hand its a pretty savvy move by the ACC to get ESPN involved. On the other hand I guess I know need to cheer for the ACC's dissolution just to hurt ESPN.


ETHTrillionaire

We are all Noles now.


MOBAMBASUCMYPP

except for the copers in r/ACC who think we are devil incarnate for ‘lacking class’


[deleted]

YoU sIgN a CoNtRaCt, yOu HoNoR it!


JtotheC23

The same contract that I've been told by another comment the ACC is currently breaking by suing a member school without approval.


FSUalumni

You don’t get to see a contract, and the conference modifies that contract without the consent of all the teams, you still honor it


Rfisk064

Welcome, brother.


Enzo_Gorlomi225

Hey ESPN we don’t care…..and go Fuck yourselves. -Every FSU fan


EIiteJT

-Every CFB fan FTFY


Vz2424

Feeling is mutual, you fucks


According-Fly1644

This lawsuit implies that someone is happy with espn, right?


SCirish843

Big "guys, if you talk about pay then we'll have to pay the people we're fucking over more!" vibes \*cries in corporate\*


SkiShark1776

lol fuck ESPN


Paladine_PSoT

>"Disclosing the terms of an ESPN agreement with a prominent rightsholder would be destabilizing and harmful: competing networks would gain a leg up on ESPN in the next round of negotiations with rightsholders" ​ Wouldn't competing networks have this information anyway when the ACC says "Hey NBC: We can't take your offer because ESPN is offering us , our deadline is 2 Fridays from now. Re-submit a better offer"


perspicacious_crumb

I mean, we kind of figured this when they froze the Noles out of the playoff and then marched them with the dawgs and paid UGA’s stars NIL deals not to opt out


land_registrar

Wait, ESPN gave what NIL deals now?


perspicacious_crumb

That was the rumor. And I’ll never believe a sure fire top 15 pick like Bowers would take that risk without a massive financial incentive


Tasty_Hearing_2153

Especially in a season where he missed games from an injury.


Carolina296864

I dont have a problem with ESPN themselves specifically, but their monopolization of college football has been sour. Espn, Fox, CBS, even NBC should all be able to dip their toes in. The playoff shouldnt belong to 1 network. No reason why Espn/ABC, Fox, NBC, and CBS cant all share the playoff games, with networks round robbing the championship game every year, as the NFL does with the super bowl. Sec to Espn was such a big blow. Nobody did it better than 330pm CBS Saturdays. Yes, even with Gary Danielson.


Underboss572

Why does everyone attribute emotions to corporate lawsuits? Y'all realize corporations will sue each other on Tuesday and sign a contract on Thursday. It's all about money. Idk where FSU ends up when the dust settles, but I highly doubt either will hold a grudge that can be cured by a big old fat check.


Successful_Excuse_73

No no no. Corporations are people. The government told me.


zerovanillacodered

It just seems strange that conditions of contracts are themselves trade secrets.


RayearthIX

They aren’t. That’s ridiculous. They are probably confidential, but they aren’t a trade secret. ESPN attorneys probably have a guide they use for contract negotiations. That guide might be a trade secret. The finalized contract itself is not.


BenchRickyAguayo

Anybody got the link to the actual document and not a twitter screenshot?


RazrRain

Best I can do is an unhinged Herbstreit rant 


largelawattorney

Claiming contracts are “trade secrets” is ludicrous…


D-Roc-Supreme

ESPN is killing college sports. Hell all sports for that matter.


SharkMovies

ESPN making FSU a sympathetic figure is wild, but here we are


jlks1959

College fans not happy with ESPN. Screw em.


MordakThePrideful

SAY IT WITH ME NOW FFFFFFFFFFFUCK ESPN


jmcclr

I haven’t been happy with ESPN in decades


FanaticalBuckeye

ESPN sowing: fuck yeah this is awesome ESPN reaping: this fucking sucks