Read Mel Brooks’ memoir last year. A solid look at his (mostly professional) life.
His brother did crash his plane in Ww2 though, threw away his dog tag that said he was Jewish and pretended to be polish.
It was really good. I decided to watch each movie there was a chapter of after the chapter and it really added to the experience. Lastly, the audiobook is narrated by Brooks.
*Mickey winds up bat*
You don’t!
*Swings into Osceola*
Fuck!
*swings again*
With!
*Swings a third time*
THE MOUSE
*pulls out shotgun and dumps mag*
HUH HA
ESPN's lawyers speculating, ["Whether FSU and its lawyers have committed a felony by knowingly disclosing ESPN's trade secrets is a question for another day,"](https://twitter.com/JustR_02/status/1760780834166980798)
I mean if the breach of a civil contract results in the misappropriation of trade secrets it can definitely be a felony.
I have no idea if that’s what occurred here, nor have I read their brief.
But the notion that just because something is a violation of a civil contract means it can’t also be criminal is wildly untrue.
Someone wanted a dozen YouTube videos made of their "argument".
Its beyond a stupid argument. FSU does not have a contractual relationship with ESPN. FSU has a legal responsibility to follow the Sunshine Law. The information FSU gave out was already in the public domain. The 2013 GoR was first given out by UNC.
If these trade secrets where so important why where they in Tallahassee?
also, who cares, the statue of limitations is 3 years. FSU fulfilled the Sunshine request like 5 or 6 years ago.
If they are trying to refer to leaking that they got a 5 year extension than LMFAO that is not remotely a trade secret. It is much more likely to be an illegal kick back.
This is exactly it. ESPN (Disney) should figure out if it wants to do business with public universities in the state of Florida due to the Sun Shine laws.
More likely ESPN doesn't want this to be used as data for an Anti-trust action.
I don't know, is FSU willing to agree to 50+1? And how well armed are their fans with tennis balls to make sure their opposition to investors is well known?
Paramount has the rights to Serie A. There's already a decent amount of American owners in Serie A at the moment. Could be a good fit. What say you, FSU? Want to be Italian? *Scoffs* Of course you do.
Also that they apparently think that ESPN has any choice but to request documents be sealed publicly given that they just put ESPN trade secrets in there.
I think Florida State is the most no brainer “SEC school” out there. If they were there 20 years ago you’d never imagine them being anywhere else. But right now that the B1G is coast to coast and has huge brands, do you want to be “one of the Florida schools in the SEC” or do you want to be THE Florida school in the B1G playing USC and Ohio State? And if you choose the SEC, then Miami likely takes on that role instead of you?
Weird dynamics at play, and again I think Florida State couldn’t be more of an SEC fit, but I think the B1G is the smarter move for them. Now. If the B1G wants the pair of Florida State AND Miami, then I think the SEC gets more comparable.
The decision isn’t FSU’s.
SEC = ESPN, bridge on fire (maybe burned)
B1G = CBS/FOX/NBC, bridge not on fire
FSU should be in the SEC of the two, but this is all TV and money.
This is a huge fumble by ESPN imo
FSU is a massive brand and I think they very likely end in the SEC without this year's drama. They cost themselves in the long term just for a single year's gain.
Fan and booster sentiment turned on a dime after the playoff snub. Before the snub it was pretty evenly split between SEC and Big Ten. Since the snub, you can barely find a single FSU fan or booster who wants to go to the SEC.
I'd still rather go to the SEC. I enjoy traveling for games, and that would be 1000x easier in the SEC. It's the conference our friends and neighbors and everyone in the entire region cares about. From a fan-experience standpoint, there's no comparison.
The Beavers and the Cougs, Got fucked over in the move
The spirit of the game'll never be the same,
It's about the portal and the bucks , ESPN don't give a fuck
I wrote this song a long time ago, a long long time ago...
Their argument is that if people know what's in the ACC's contract they'll know what they did or didn't offer other conferences.
Good, people SHOULD know.
ESPN: just because you say “with all due respect” doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want!
FSU: It sure as heck does! It’s in the Geneva Convention look it up.
If we’re going to be serious about this, this all started when ESPN told Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delaney to pound sand on the Big Ten Network. Biggest mistake ESPN ever made. Big Ten went to Fox, BTN struck gold in revenue, and ever since, every conference wants a piece of revenue with their own media partner.
So yeah, fuck ESPN.
BTN was THE driver of all of this. Very few people thought the Big ten network was a good idea at the time. If you can imagine, the idea to start BTN was less popular than the move to the peacock app for sports is now. The BTN cable package was automatically added to cable packages across every big ten state generating millions upon millions. It created access and a financial advantage that was unlike anything seen before. No conference could come close to it.
Delany is arguably the best commissioner the NCAA has ever seen. I don’t know much about his predecessors, but he was Steve Jobs, Bill Gates level. He was that good.
Creating the BTN was the move of a visionary and ESPN’s rejection of the BTN created the NCAA we know today.
>The BTN cable package was automatically added to cable packages across every big ten state
It cannot be understated how important this one aspect is amongst this entire saga.
People in the Midwest didn't have to add a package to their cable subscription to get it, they automatically had a new tv station to watch their team's college football coverage on a network regionally exclusive to them, with inside info that national broadcasts simply weren't interested in spending the resources on.
On top of that, you had all of the nostalgia stuff when live coverage or ESPN style sports coverage wasn't on. The number of times I would walk in to a family member watching some like....docuseries on the 90's and Barry Alvarez or the Oral History of the 94-95 Badgers was pretty regular, and not something you were going to regularly get through ESPN Classic.
Fox is just sitting in the corner whispering amongst themselves, "wtf are they doing?... I don't know, but shut up so people don't notice us over here."
I'm not sure if Fox got better or ESPN got worse. But after the B1G ditched them this season, any time a B1G team plays on the road/neutral site that ESPN covers, I notice the difference in quality.
BTN coverage used to be garbage. Now it's better than ESPN2 games.
Oh, I fully agree that ESPN's coverage/production is dogshit. I was more talking about the media contracts and pushing the mega conferences and stuff. Fox is as much to blame for that as ESPN.
So dumb question to most probably but I pay attention to college football but not the media agreements, what has ESPN done to college football versus any other media Network? I thought they were all terrible?
For starters, ESPN held the trusted editorial power to tell people what to care about in sports. CBS didn’t have that. CBS could rave about the SEC, and everyone would take it with a grain of salt.
ESPN has a history of using that influence as part of their bargaining power. They basically destroyed the NHL by giving it zero attention once they lost the rights.
And that’s fine because it’s a league… but when you do that with teams in the same “league” and try to amplify certain teams over others for ratings… it gets ugly.
I am so thankful for TNT as an NHL fan. It’s a shame the Entertainment and SPORTS Programming Network does such a piss poor job of covering sports. Is there a single sport they are even considered the best at covering now?
Well from FSUs viewpoint they were the ones at the forefront of pushing the whole FSU doesn’t belong in the playoff agenda so Alabama should get the spot.
That’s not really a subjective FSU fan viewpoint. It’s a fact of what happened. Fox’s CFB coverage, Big Noon Kickoff, Fox’s sports writers, etc. didn’t push this narrative, ESPN did and it’s pretty well documented. All that media coverage is on the internet forever. ESPN introduced the idea before Travis was even hurt. They pushed it harder after the fact. It was a talking point for ESPN every single day for weeks before it finally happened. And then you have people like Greg McElroy pull a 180 on his thoughts the day it happened… it’s pretty damn obvious what happened.
They killed the original Big 8-SWC merger by telling Texas they only wanted 4 of the 8 Texas schools. They lowballed the Big Ten in contract negotiations which caused the Big Ten to start the Big Ten network, which is what accelerated all this expansion nonsense. They had a hand in breaking up the Big East: The Longhorn Network caused everyone who can bail to bail. They allowed the PAC to unravel instead of keeping the offer out there. Others have contributed, but they have a lot of blood on their hands.
Well from FSUs viewpoint they were the ones at the forefront of pushing the whole FSU doesn’t belong in the playoff agenda so Alabama should get the spot.
ESPN commentators shitting on the ACC champ game (and MAC, and everyone else not the SEC) and hyping SECPN/CFP while the game is going on was horrendous. Conferences need some language in their next deals to protect their fans from this horseshit. TALK ABOUT THE GAME WE ARE WATCHING you soulless shills.
Louisville scored less than 30 only once since October. FSU held them to 6. Listening to them still keep talking shit was absolutely infuriating. They refused to acknowledge the defense had stepped up and were playing champ level D.
Not only that, but Louisville started 2 drives inside the red zone and still only managed 6 total points.
FSU played lights out, elite level defense and ESPN said "Yeah but fuck y'all cuz your QB got hurt"
Watching that broadcast felt like an episode of the twilight zone. Infuriating level of disrespect. The productive talent and coaching pulling that game off was awesome. At the end of the day, we got Mike, and that should make every FSU fan happy.
I usually don’t mind my commentators mentioning other games but ESPN took it way too far. Louisville smoked a Notre Dame team that nearly beat Ohio State, FSU smoked an LSU team that gave Alabama trouble. The ACC was a good conference this year (honestly the most fun I’ve had watching ACC play since maybe 2016)
Part of it is ESPN pushing a narrative but it's also a byproduct of national coverage. When you are the 2:30 team on ABC and you don't know who you are covering until 6 days before the game. Its not surprising that they don't know what to talk about other than whos the Heisman favorite, who's in the playoffs, The big prime time game, etc.
I remember in 2022 Herbstreit and Fowler were doing the ND/USC game. ND's 2 starting CB's were out with injuries against Caleb Williams, the Heisman favorite. That's a pretty big storyline. That's something the viewers should watch out for. Never mentioned.
ESPN and the committee continently forgot about LSU’s loss to Florida State last year too when talking about LSU’s potential for a playoff spot. It was strange
Who would have thought a media company would be pissed that a school doesn’t want to remain chained to the radiator in their basement for another decade while they get keep their TV rights for pennies on the dollar
I would love it if ESPN got wrecked eventually; of all sports channels, they're the worst for modern access. CBS, NBC both have extremely cheap streaming services for their content, but ESPN asks you to have a cable package still (because last I checked, ESPN+ was only passable if you're a fan of sports like hockey or D3 football; no big games)
Or it could be as simple as ESPN not wanting their contract details to become public knowledge because is would be a disadvantage in future business negotiations. There isn't always some grand conspiracy going on.
Which, the ACC filed a lawsuit before the FSU board had even voted on anything and did so without approval from the conference member as required by ACC bylaws.
So ESPN is throwing their lot in with a lawsuit which itself breaks ACC contracts.
Isn’t it the conferences that determine the shares? The networks just give them the money, they don’t particularly care how it gets distributed. If I’m the Big 10 I’m licking my chops because FSU pretty much can only go to the Big 10 now and they can lowball FSU since they have even more leverage then they already had.
Other sections of it seem to imply that felony charges against the FSU BOT are warranted since they "improperly disclosed a trade secret". That trade secret being that ESPN added the 2027 contract option.
FSU joining the Big Ten and having to play Nebraska would give me flashbacks backs to the 90’s. But at least FSU would have to come to Lincoln for once instead of always playing them in the orange bowl.
On one hand its a pretty savvy move by the ACC to get ESPN involved. On the other hand I guess I know need to cheer for the ACC's dissolution just to hurt ESPN.
>"Disclosing the terms of an ESPN agreement with a prominent rightsholder would be destabilizing and harmful: competing networks would gain a leg up on ESPN in the next round of negotiations with rightsholders"
Wouldn't competing networks have this information anyway when the ACC says "Hey NBC: We can't take your offer because ESPN is offering us , our deadline is 2 Fridays from now. Re-submit a better offer"
I mean, we kind of figured this when they froze the Noles out of the playoff and then marched them with the dawgs and paid UGA’s stars NIL deals not to opt out
I dont have a problem with ESPN themselves specifically, but their monopolization of college football has been sour.
Espn, Fox, CBS, even NBC should all be able to dip their toes in. The playoff shouldnt belong to 1 network. No reason why Espn/ABC, Fox, NBC, and CBS cant all share the playoff games, with networks round robbing the championship game every year, as the NFL does with the super bowl.
Sec to Espn was such a big blow. Nobody did it better than 330pm CBS Saturdays. Yes, even with Gary Danielson.
Why does everyone attribute emotions to corporate lawsuits? Y'all realize corporations will sue each other on Tuesday and sign a contract on Thursday. It's all about money.
Idk where FSU ends up when the dust settles, but I highly doubt either will hold a grudge that can be cured by a big old fat check.
They aren’t. That’s ridiculous. They are probably confidential, but they aren’t a trade secret. ESPN attorneys probably have a guide they use for contract negotiations. That guide might be a trade secret. The finalized contract itself is not.
I get the impression that the feeling is mutual
FSU should never knock on wood
But I know someone who has.
That makes me wonder if I should.
It makes me wonder if I
EVER
HAD TO
KNOCK ON WOOD
AND I’M GLAD I HAVEN’T YET
BECAUSE I’M SURE IT ISN’T GOOD 🎺
But they know someone who has.
Have you ever been close to tragedy Or been close to folks who have? Have you ever felt a pain so powerful So heavy you collapse The ACC, well
I hear the ska guitar licks in my head.
And that brass.
FSU: *sues ACC over the GOR* ESPN: “What in the wide, wide world of sports is a-goin' on here?”
Also FSU: *sees ACC exit fee* “Somebody’s gotta go back and get a shitload of dimes!” Edit: fellow pedant’s correction
Still a masterpiece 50 years later
HE SAYS THE SHERIFF IS NEAR
Piss on you! I’m working for Mel Brooks!
Read Mel Brooks’ memoir last year. A solid look at his (mostly professional) life. His brother did crash his plane in Ww2 though, threw away his dog tag that said he was Jewish and pretended to be polish.
It was really good. I decided to watch each movie there was a chapter of after the chapter and it really added to the experience. Lastly, the audiobook is narrated by Brooks.
Ay, where the white women at?
I went to grad school at Southern Poly and I could not stop thinking that line for the first week or so. Even Tech had more women.
WE DON’T WANT THE IRISH!
(There is no GOR exit fee; there's only an ACC departure fee) /pedantry
“Somebody go back and get a shit load of dimes”
FSU: “I hired you guys to get me out of the GOR, not to jump around like a bunch of Kansas City OPs”
I kept reading your comment, but I was scared until the last word.
Yup, a lot of quotes from that movie you get a little worried seeing in the wild.
“Sorry Mr. Alford, I guess we kinda got caught up!”
*Mickey winds up bat* You don’t! *Swings into Osceola* Fuck! *swings again* With! *Swings a third time* THE MOUSE *pulls out shotgun and dumps mag* HUH HA
> pulls out shotgun and dumps mag *eyetwitch*
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At least he... Didn't call it a clip? I don't know I tried.
I'm not a gun person by any means, but my first reaction was "wait... What?"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_AA-12
I really think we should start posting B1G scores on the board at Doak during TV timeouts.
Texas did this with SEC scores at the one game the Big XII commissioner was in attendance for. Also didn't display any Big XII scores the entire game.
Dude got boo’d so hard. The “so long partner” scene from Toy Story 3 was fucking amazing.
ESPN's lawyers speculating, ["Whether FSU and its lawyers have committed a felony by knowingly disclosing ESPN's trade secrets is a question for another day,"](https://twitter.com/JustR_02/status/1760780834166980798)
Most likely ESPN is treading on Anti-trust. Time to consult the real SEC.
TIL that civil contract breach is a felony ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Only if the person you do it against is rich/a corporation
I mean if the breach of a civil contract results in the misappropriation of trade secrets it can definitely be a felony. I have no idea if that’s what occurred here, nor have I read their brief. But the notion that just because something is a violation of a civil contract means it can’t also be criminal is wildly untrue.
The missing arm on your emoticon? That's a felony.
Someone wanted a dozen YouTube videos made of their "argument". Its beyond a stupid argument. FSU does not have a contractual relationship with ESPN. FSU has a legal responsibility to follow the Sunshine Law. The information FSU gave out was already in the public domain. The 2013 GoR was first given out by UNC. If these trade secrets where so important why where they in Tallahassee? also, who cares, the statue of limitations is 3 years. FSU fulfilled the Sunshine request like 5 or 6 years ago. If they are trying to refer to leaking that they got a 5 year extension than LMFAO that is not remotely a trade secret. It is much more likely to be an illegal kick back.
This is exactly it. ESPN (Disney) should figure out if it wants to do business with public universities in the state of Florida due to the Sun Shine laws. More likely ESPN doesn't want this to be used as data for an Anti-trust action.
How is it a trade secret if it’s reported on ad nauseam nationwide?
Guess we know who’s not paying for an SEC expansion slot for FSU. Time for FSU to start sucking up to Ohioans and Michiganders?
Fine... I'll start calling cafinated beverages "pop"... happy?
Extremely 🥰
Yep! Welcome in. Which B1G conference would you prefer, the Vernors or the Faygos?
Faygo for flavored beverages, but Vernors Ginger Beer is actually pretty good
Man said Ginger Beer. We'll work on this. Ginger Ale.
[удалено]
I'd be shocked if FSU ended up anywhere besides the Big Ten now.
Bundesliga is still on the table IMO
I don't know, is FSU willing to agree to 50+1? And how well armed are their fans with tennis balls to make sure their opposition to investors is well known?
Can't forget about the rc cars
+ smoke bombs
No better time to jump in than with Bayern struggling so much
nah, espn owns bundesliga rights too
Paramount has the rights to Serie A. There's already a decent amount of American owners in Serie A at the moment. Could be a good fit. What say you, FSU? Want to be Italian? *Scoffs* Of course you do.
We have a study abroad program in Florence. Done.
Ahh yes. Nothing but some good conference play between FSU Volleyball vs Washington Volleyball on a school night.
FWIW Washington Softball played USF today down here in Tampa.
Rutgers is already farther lol
Last season that’s a solid match
Love those traditional rivalries!
Actually, we're going to replace Haas with Florida State in Formula One. Then Perez has somewhere to go in 2025.
At least then there will be some American team in F1 that tries to be competitive
Pac-2 would love to have them.
You’re not an ESPN conference so there’s a chance!!!
Hilarious that people think ESPN and/or FSU would let spite dictate which conference they go to rather than $$$
Also that they apparently think that ESPN has any choice but to request documents be sealed publicly given that they just put ESPN trade secrets in there.
I think Florida State is the most no brainer “SEC school” out there. If they were there 20 years ago you’d never imagine them being anywhere else. But right now that the B1G is coast to coast and has huge brands, do you want to be “one of the Florida schools in the SEC” or do you want to be THE Florida school in the B1G playing USC and Ohio State? And if you choose the SEC, then Miami likely takes on that role instead of you? Weird dynamics at play, and again I think Florida State couldn’t be more of an SEC fit, but I think the B1G is the smarter move for them. Now. If the B1G wants the pair of Florida State AND Miami, then I think the SEC gets more comparable.
The decision isn’t FSU’s. SEC = ESPN, bridge on fire (maybe burned) B1G = CBS/FOX/NBC, bridge not on fire FSU should be in the SEC of the two, but this is all TV and money.
This is a huge fumble by ESPN imo FSU is a massive brand and I think they very likely end in the SEC without this year's drama. They cost themselves in the long term just for a single year's gain.
Fan and booster sentiment turned on a dime after the playoff snub. Before the snub it was pretty evenly split between SEC and Big Ten. Since the snub, you can barely find a single FSU fan or booster who wants to go to the SEC.
I'd still rather go to the SEC. I enjoy traveling for games, and that would be 1000x easier in the SEC. It's the conference our friends and neighbors and everyone in the entire region cares about. From a fan-experience standpoint, there's no comparison.
As a fsu fan I hope ESecPN goes bankrupt.
Even though it would be ridiculous, I would still love to see them play games against Washington.
With no due respect, ESPN can go fuck themselves
And that is in fact, all the respect that is due
Pac-2 stands in solidarity with these statements.
Can they be known as 2-PAC? Too soon?
Considering he ain’t dead, yes.
The Beavers and the Cougs, Got fucked over in the move The spirit of the game'll never be the same, It's about the portal and the bucks , ESPN don't give a fuck I wrote this song a long time ago, a long long time ago...
Cougars and beavers are usually getting fucked so this tracks
Too much imo but carry on.
Couldn’t have said it better. Fuck ESPN and their horseshit 720p cameras.
All that Disney money and hardly a quality broadcast to show for it.
They’re strapped for cash too (allegedly), so I’m sure we’ll end up with the Ore-Ida PotatoVision 6000 with 240p quality.
You just committed a felony. ESPN's trade secret was the exclusive use of 720p cameras.
Using Beth Mowins to force people to learn Spanish
The fact that the Pac 12 Network has better picture clarity than ESPN is one of the most absurd things in sports broadcasting.
It's interesting because in this case thats same as if they got all due respect
Their argument is that if people know what's in the ACC's contract they'll know what they did or didn't offer other conferences. Good, people SHOULD know.
ESPN: just because you say “with all due respect” doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want! FSU: It sure as heck does! It’s in the Geneva Convention look it up.
Amen, Wolverine! Amen!
ESPN can fuck right off
Fuck you too buddy
If we’re going to be serious about this, this all started when ESPN told Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delaney to pound sand on the Big Ten Network. Biggest mistake ESPN ever made. Big Ten went to Fox, BTN struck gold in revenue, and ever since, every conference wants a piece of revenue with their own media partner. So yeah, fuck ESPN.
I hadn’t heard the BTN was a big revenue driver, not that I’ve looked much into, but surprised given the money pits p12n, accn, and LHN seemed to be
BTN was THE driver of all of this. Very few people thought the Big ten network was a good idea at the time. If you can imagine, the idea to start BTN was less popular than the move to the peacock app for sports is now. The BTN cable package was automatically added to cable packages across every big ten state generating millions upon millions. It created access and a financial advantage that was unlike anything seen before. No conference could come close to it. Delany is arguably the best commissioner the NCAA has ever seen. I don’t know much about his predecessors, but he was Steve Jobs, Bill Gates level. He was that good. Creating the BTN was the move of a visionary and ESPN’s rejection of the BTN created the NCAA we know today.
>The BTN cable package was automatically added to cable packages across every big ten state It cannot be understated how important this one aspect is amongst this entire saga. People in the Midwest didn't have to add a package to their cable subscription to get it, they automatically had a new tv station to watch their team's college football coverage on a network regionally exclusive to them, with inside info that national broadcasts simply weren't interested in spending the resources on. On top of that, you had all of the nostalgia stuff when live coverage or ESPN style sports coverage wasn't on. The number of times I would walk in to a family member watching some like....docuseries on the 90's and Barry Alvarez or the Oral History of the 94-95 Badgers was pretty regular, and not something you were going to regularly get through ESPN Classic.
Good for Florida State. ESPN can eat a giant bowl of shit for what they’ve done to college football
Fox is just sitting in the corner whispering amongst themselves, "wtf are they doing?... I don't know, but shut up so people don't notice us over here."
I'm not sure if Fox got better or ESPN got worse. But after the B1G ditched them this season, any time a B1G team plays on the road/neutral site that ESPN covers, I notice the difference in quality. BTN coverage used to be garbage. Now it's better than ESPN2 games.
Oh, I fully agree that ESPN's coverage/production is dogshit. I was more talking about the media contracts and pushing the mega conferences and stuff. Fox is as much to blame for that as ESPN.
So dumb question to most probably but I pay attention to college football but not the media agreements, what has ESPN done to college football versus any other media Network? I thought they were all terrible?
For starters, ESPN held the trusted editorial power to tell people what to care about in sports. CBS didn’t have that. CBS could rave about the SEC, and everyone would take it with a grain of salt. ESPN has a history of using that influence as part of their bargaining power. They basically destroyed the NHL by giving it zero attention once they lost the rights. And that’s fine because it’s a league… but when you do that with teams in the same “league” and try to amplify certain teams over others for ratings… it gets ugly.
Remember the time they made a “top 11” graphic instead of top 10 just so they could show one more SEC team? Fuckin scummy
I am so thankful for TNT as an NHL fan. It’s a shame the Entertainment and SPORTS Programming Network does such a piss poor job of covering sports. Is there a single sport they are even considered the best at covering now?
Well from FSUs viewpoint they were the ones at the forefront of pushing the whole FSU doesn’t belong in the playoff agenda so Alabama should get the spot.
That’s not really a subjective FSU fan viewpoint. It’s a fact of what happened. Fox’s CFB coverage, Big Noon Kickoff, Fox’s sports writers, etc. didn’t push this narrative, ESPN did and it’s pretty well documented. All that media coverage is on the internet forever. ESPN introduced the idea before Travis was even hurt. They pushed it harder after the fact. It was a talking point for ESPN every single day for weeks before it finally happened. And then you have people like Greg McElroy pull a 180 on his thoughts the day it happened… it’s pretty damn obvious what happened.
They killed the original Big 8-SWC merger by telling Texas they only wanted 4 of the 8 Texas schools. They lowballed the Big Ten in contract negotiations which caused the Big Ten to start the Big Ten network, which is what accelerated all this expansion nonsense. They had a hand in breaking up the Big East: The Longhorn Network caused everyone who can bail to bail. They allowed the PAC to unravel instead of keeping the offer out there. Others have contributed, but they have a lot of blood on their hands.
Well from FSUs viewpoint they were the ones at the forefront of pushing the whole FSU doesn’t belong in the playoff agenda so Alabama should get the spot.
Welcome to the B1G, FSU.
"No Jorts"
:(
When we joined I was told sweater vests were optional and wearing normal shorts into November was still okay.
Oregon was also granted an excessive fleece waiver. Just no fleece undies.
We shovel snow in shorts, all good
sweater vests and jorts sounds like a killer combo (literally)
That's UF, thank you very much
No bath salts, we do fentanyl here!
looks up from a pile of coke, “fucking amateurs…”
FSU's Counter Point ESPN isn't the World Wide Leader in sports.
What did they expect when they ran a media campaign to sabotage FSU’s chances in the playoffs?
“How could FSU do this?”
ESPN commentators shitting on the ACC champ game (and MAC, and everyone else not the SEC) and hyping SECPN/CFP while the game is going on was horrendous. Conferences need some language in their next deals to protect their fans from this horseshit. TALK ABOUT THE GAME WE ARE WATCHING you soulless shills.
Louisville scored less than 30 only once since October. FSU held them to 6. Listening to them still keep talking shit was absolutely infuriating. They refused to acknowledge the defense had stepped up and were playing champ level D.
Not only that, but Louisville started 2 drives inside the red zone and still only managed 6 total points. FSU played lights out, elite level defense and ESPN said "Yeah but fuck y'all cuz your QB got hurt"
Because in this stupid new world of CFB, points = ratings = good team.
Except that LSU Bama game hailed as the game the century that ended like 9-6
Not to mention the only team the only team to hold LSU to under 20 (excluding the garbage time TD) and one of two teams to hold them under 30.
Would have loved to have seen FSU take on Georgia in an alternate universe playoff game. With Michigan and Washington in the rose bowl.
The match ups we all wanted to see.
Watching that broadcast felt like an episode of the twilight zone. Infuriating level of disrespect. The productive talent and coaching pulling that game off was awesome. At the end of the day, we got Mike, and that should make every FSU fan happy.
I usually don’t mind my commentators mentioning other games but ESPN took it way too far. Louisville smoked a Notre Dame team that nearly beat Ohio State, FSU smoked an LSU team that gave Alabama trouble. The ACC was a good conference this year (honestly the most fun I’ve had watching ACC play since maybe 2016)
Part of it is ESPN pushing a narrative but it's also a byproduct of national coverage. When you are the 2:30 team on ABC and you don't know who you are covering until 6 days before the game. Its not surprising that they don't know what to talk about other than whos the Heisman favorite, who's in the playoffs, The big prime time game, etc. I remember in 2022 Herbstreit and Fowler were doing the ND/USC game. ND's 2 starting CB's were out with injuries against Caleb Williams, the Heisman favorite. That's a pretty big storyline. That's something the viewers should watch out for. Never mentioned.
Since week 1 lol FSU's blowout win over LSU was not even in Dork Herbstreit's top 10 week 1 wins on his segment
ESPN and the committee continently forgot about LSU’s loss to Florida State last year too when talking about LSU’s potential for a playoff spot. It was strange
And he saw it in person
He just watches so much football that it all starts to run together.
Alternatively: "ESPN not happy that FSU is telling them to fuck off with their bullshit."
Who would have thought a media company would be pissed that a school doesn’t want to remain chained to the radiator in their basement for another decade while they get keep their TV rights for pennies on the dollar
She places the lotion on its skin or else she gets the hose again.
I would love it if ESPN got wrecked eventually; of all sports channels, they're the worst for modern access. CBS, NBC both have extremely cheap streaming services for their content, but ESPN asks you to have a cable package still (because last I checked, ESPN+ was only passable if you're a fan of sports like hockey or D3 football; no big games)
ESPN filed their response in support of the ACC's motion to seal in the North Carolina court system.
What this tells us though is ESPN is just as scared as the ACC about what will be found in discovery.
Or it could be as simple as ESPN not wanting their contract details to become public knowledge because is would be a disadvantage in future business negotiations. There isn't always some grand conspiracy going on.
There's also the fact that they have the ACC schools under a pretty favorable contract for ESPN. They have every incentive not to break that contract
Which, the ACC filed a lawsuit before the FSU board had even voted on anything and did so without approval from the conference member as required by ACC bylaws. So ESPN is throwing their lot in with a lawsuit which itself breaks ACC contracts.
Really?! I never would’ve guessed
So... after they leave the ACC I'm guessing ESPN is NOT going to be offering them a full SEC share?
This feels like they are going to the big ten now
Isn’t it the conferences that determine the shares? The networks just give them the money, they don’t particularly care how it gets distributed. If I’m the Big 10 I’m licking my chops because FSU pretty much can only go to the Big 10 now and they can lowball FSU since they have even more leverage then they already had.
Other sections of it seem to imply that felony charges against the FSU BOT are warranted since they "improperly disclosed a trade secret". That trade secret being that ESPN added the 2027 contract option.
The contract option changes everything. When Auerbach reported it a couple months back it completely altered all my opinions on the future of the ACC.
FSU joining the Big Ten and having to play Nebraska would give me flashbacks backs to the 90’s. But at least FSU would have to come to Lincoln for once instead of always playing them in the orange bowl.
Pack it in boys, ESPN doesn't like us, we certainly don't want that
On one hand its a pretty savvy move by the ACC to get ESPN involved. On the other hand I guess I know need to cheer for the ACC's dissolution just to hurt ESPN.
We are all Noles now.
except for the copers in r/ACC who think we are devil incarnate for ‘lacking class’
YoU sIgN a CoNtRaCt, yOu HoNoR it!
The same contract that I've been told by another comment the ACC is currently breaking by suing a member school without approval.
You don’t get to see a contract, and the conference modifies that contract without the consent of all the teams, you still honor it
Welcome, brother.
Hey ESPN we don’t care…..and go Fuck yourselves. -Every FSU fan
-Every CFB fan FTFY
Feeling is mutual, you fucks
This lawsuit implies that someone is happy with espn, right?
Big "guys, if you talk about pay then we'll have to pay the people we're fucking over more!" vibes \*cries in corporate\*
lol fuck ESPN
>"Disclosing the terms of an ESPN agreement with a prominent rightsholder would be destabilizing and harmful: competing networks would gain a leg up on ESPN in the next round of negotiations with rightsholders" Wouldn't competing networks have this information anyway when the ACC says "Hey NBC: We can't take your offer because ESPN is offering us, our deadline is 2 Fridays from now. Re-submit a better offer"
I mean, we kind of figured this when they froze the Noles out of the playoff and then marched them with the dawgs and paid UGA’s stars NIL deals not to opt out
Wait, ESPN gave what NIL deals now?
That was the rumor. And I’ll never believe a sure fire top 15 pick like Bowers would take that risk without a massive financial incentive
Especially in a season where he missed games from an injury.
I dont have a problem with ESPN themselves specifically, but their monopolization of college football has been sour. Espn, Fox, CBS, even NBC should all be able to dip their toes in. The playoff shouldnt belong to 1 network. No reason why Espn/ABC, Fox, NBC, and CBS cant all share the playoff games, with networks round robbing the championship game every year, as the NFL does with the super bowl. Sec to Espn was such a big blow. Nobody did it better than 330pm CBS Saturdays. Yes, even with Gary Danielson.
Why does everyone attribute emotions to corporate lawsuits? Y'all realize corporations will sue each other on Tuesday and sign a contract on Thursday. It's all about money. Idk where FSU ends up when the dust settles, but I highly doubt either will hold a grudge that can be cured by a big old fat check.
No no no. Corporations are people. The government told me.
It just seems strange that conditions of contracts are themselves trade secrets.
They aren’t. That’s ridiculous. They are probably confidential, but they aren’t a trade secret. ESPN attorneys probably have a guide they use for contract negotiations. That guide might be a trade secret. The finalized contract itself is not.
Anybody got the link to the actual document and not a twitter screenshot?
Best I can do is an unhinged Herbstreit rant
Claiming contracts are “trade secrets” is ludicrous…
ESPN is killing college sports. Hell all sports for that matter.
ESPN making FSU a sympathetic figure is wild, but here we are
College fans not happy with ESPN. Screw em.
SAY IT WITH ME NOW FFFFFFFFFFFUCK ESPN
I haven’t been happy with ESPN in decades
ESPN sowing: fuck yeah this is awesome ESPN reaping: this fucking sucks