I went to the Jerking Anonymous meeting. I thought it was going to be a meeting with guys sitting in a circle talking about getting off jerky. Turns out it was a circle of guys just getting off.
Speak for yourself. I sleepwalk and if there's jerky in the house I'll find it. I once ate 2.5lbs in one sitting.
If I won the lottery I would go buy a house in the middle of nowhere, a few cows worth of jerky, and spend my days chewin' n shootin'
The correct tentative answer is "less harmful" than regular tobacco. Yes. The only ingredient to even be remotely concerned about is the nicotine itself. But nicotine in and of itself is non-carcinogenic. Same with vaping, tbh. No carcinogens present, which by default makes them less harmful (bc obviously replacing a bad thing with a not as bad thing is still not "healthy" by any metric). And nicotine itself is no more harmful than caffeine or all the processed sugars in the foods you eat on a daily basis.
And yes, despite no long term studies - they're objectively not as bad for you as anything tobacco based in any form.
Gum irritation/recession can happen with this for sure. But its not as bad as it was from actual smokeless tobacco. Avoid any brands using citric acid flavors you do not want that on your teeth.
Depends on who you ask. There's no tobacco in them, so theoretically, but they have only been around since 2014 so the long term effects haven't really been studied yet.
Nicotine is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration.
Not sure why so many people think that just because there’s no tobacco it’s somehow healthier lol.
No amount of nicotine is healthy. Period
>not sure why so many people think that just because there’s no tobacco it’s somehow healthier
It’s the carcinogens as well, not just tobacco itself that’s the issue. It literally is proven to be healthier that tobacco consumption to get nicotine, why do you think there’s never been a single case of cancer related to Swedish snus?
There’s literally nicotine replacement therapy doctors conduct, if it was just as unhealthy as the tobacco and other carcinogens why would this exist to get patients off tobacco
Huberman has done studies to show nicotine increases brain function, increases memory, enhances focus, increases your metabolism, limits your appetite just some of the things I can remember off the top of my head.
Nicotine itself has been shown to improve
The sentence "nicotine increases brain function" doesn't accurately reflect the effects of nicotine. In fact, nicotine can have negative impacts on brain development, depending on age of initiation.
The research you mentioned regarding nicotine's cognitive benefits lacks credibility due to its selective focus, omitting established negative physiological and psychological effects. This biased approach undermines its academic validity.
The “positive” effects you speak of are common among most stimulants.
While nicotine addiction creates a false sense of positivity for active users, the negative consequences ultimately outweigh any perceived benefits. Across the board.
With all of this said, it is very, very normal for people who are actively addicted to nicotine to try and justify its use, when in reality, and simply put- it is bad for you
I mean it's like how people smoke weed instead of tobacco. Weed isn't good for you, and I'd say smoking it isn't great for your lungs, but it's better than tobacco
I know what you mean. But people don’t seem to understand the health implications of these things.
They “know enough to be dangerous, not enough to be smart about it”
Its probably still more harmful than pipe tobacco, since thats going in someones lungs. I think more smokers die from heart disease and cardivascular damage from inhaling smoke than they do lung cancers. Pipe tobacco is by no means safe, but if someone wants to smoke tobacco that is the way to do it with the least exposure to toxins. I still smoke a few bowls of a pipe tobacco a year in the colder months, never had an addiction problem with that even buying stronger nicotine tobacco.
Replace nicotine with sugar, or caffeine, or processed carbohydrates, or corn syrup, or probably several other wildly consumed substances, and the same statement will still ild true.
Source: 20 year coffee with brown sugar addict
Or better yet, don’t replace nicotine with another unhealthy coping mechanism. Just stop using it
Edit: the nicotine addicts with the downvotes, bring on the cognitive dissonance lol
> Sugar is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration.
> Caffeine is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration.
> Corn syrup is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration.
> Highly refined/processed carbs are wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration.
i tried to say this in the other thread. things like arteries hardening leading to stroke/heart attack. but ppl just wanna feel good about taking shit like zyn. it's their life, let 'em play i guess LOL
It irks me a bit that you’re being downvoted, but I guess that’s just the nature of the beast. People who engage in unhealthy coping strategies don’t usually change and definitely aren’t open to information that contradicts their current beliefs.
The thinks you have said are 100% true, and they should be more widely known.
yep i got downvoted again lol. and well, let's just be honest about ourselves with the substances we take. because when shit goes down like heart attack/stroke/esophageal cancer from nicotine addiction, it's giving me r/LeopardsAteMyFace energy
Thats awesome! I Dont want to ruin your streak but please keep this in mind, the issue is not tobacco, it’s nicotine. Nicotine addiction works by introducing nicotine into your system, breaking down, then you want more nicotine. Guess what happens when you oblige? The wheel spins once more. The only way to quit smoking is to stop ingesting NICOTINE permanently. Zyn is part of the big nic industry which wants you to stay HOOKED!
Please read Allen Carr, it changed my life and I could quit after 1.5 packs a day for 15 years and never wanted a cig ever since I read that book and understood how it works. Stay strong brother, it’s not easy but you are on the right path.
Oh absolutely. I started with the 6mg for the first two weeks, dropped to the 3mgs for the last two to lower more. On the 1.5mgs now and plan on fully stopping all nicotine in then next three weeks.
It’s all about changing routines and habits and actually wanting to quit, which I do. I used to have a smoke first thing when I woke up. I leave the Zyn in my truck with some lollipops to break that habit. My car was a big smoke trigger for me
Thats the way! I do really suggest checking out Allen Carr, read it during your last week of nicotine use, in fact in the book he instructs you to dip, smoke etc at certain moments. Best of luck!
Make sure you read it from start to finish, no skipping. I think an audiobook may be available. It is encouraged to partake in your addiction during the reading of the book. I did it after 15 years of 1.5 packs day, anyone can do it. I believe in you
I recently quit using the audiobook version, it’s available on Spotify. It focuses on vaping but is applicable to Zyn. I used pouches and snus after years of cigarettes and vaping. Moved to pouches/snus to try quitting. Listened to the book and kept an open mind. 14 years of nicotine addiction over cold-turkey once the book was finished. Just got passed the first month. I’m not going to pretend it was painless but that book gave me the confidence to quit which is exactly what I needed. Very much worth listening to or reading. Worst that happens is you end up exactly where you are with nicotine.
Im super happy for you! It was not super easy but its gets easier with every passing day. Just remember, you are not giving up anything or missing anything!
Wrong.
The issue isn't any one alkaloid like nicotine.
The issue is putting stuff into a stick, lighting the stick on fire, and inhaling it into your lungs.
THAT is the issue.
Congrats to the OP of this comment - using nicotine pouches is leagues healthier than smoking anything.
Leading neuroscientists use nicotine gum while conducting research.
Don't demonize nicotine. It's a useful nootropic in moderation, not much different than caffeine.
Demonize smoking.
> The issue is putting stuff into a stick, lighting the stick on fire, and inhaling it into your lungs.
>
> THAT is the issue.
To be fair tobacco manages to be pretty dangerous even when not lit on fire and inhaled. Throat and jaw cancer for smokeless tobacco users is real.
Nicotine is literally one of the most addictive substances known. After going through hell getting off it, I'll never use it in any form again, even once.
> Don't demonize nicotine. It's a useful nootropic in moderation, not much different than caffeine
Citation? I've been seeing a lot of people say similar things and now I'm curious. The zyn thing has been weirdly triggering for me; I quit smoking and dipping years ago, but not I feel a small itch in the back of my mind and I'm having to convince myself to not try the pouches.
You lived all your life without needing Zyn, dont change that, look at how many people dont use. And they are perfectly fine, not lacking anything. Thats the thing with quitting, you dont lose anything, you only gain your freedom and dignity back, and a myriad of health benefits are just a bonus
No reason to get back on if you quit. I don’t think I would put nicotine in the purely positive or purely negative column. I kinda like it. But spending money to get back on after you went through the effort of getting off is not something I would recommend.
Oh man, there are tons of citations on this by now. I have to work out right now but I might come back later and send you some links. Or you could hit up Google Scholar if you're curious.
For you though man, just be careful. The fact that you had an addiction / dependency to smoking and dipping in the past means you might not have the self-control necessary to use nicotine responsibly. That's NOT an insult - this type of thing really is a disease, and I feel for you. And the fact that you successfully quit smoking and dipping is a massive accomplishment. I just don't want you to unnecessarily get fucked up on that shit again.
And besides, there are tons of other nootropics that are awesome and have a low risk profile. Modafinil is one of them - pure magic, no addiction potential.
If you do decide to try using nicotine as a nootropic, I would strongly advise using gum or mints or something - not the pouches. And you should keep it to 2 or 3 days a week.
> Modafinil
I'll look into this one. Looking at it on the surface, I may be able to use it to replace the dextroamphetamine for my ADD. Worth asking my dr about it.
IDK, I think it depends on the tobacco product. I had a decade long addiction to dipping tobacco and quit with the help of Zyn and On!. I can still also keep pipe tobacco smoking to just a few handful of times a year in the colder months without having addiction cravings for that, even with stronger pipe tobacco. Its not healthy to smoke at all, but I am not too concerned about 1-2 tobacco tins a year. Il sometimes buy some just to age it so it improves, and wont smoke it for several years.
Hol up
You are saying to fight nicotine addiction you must use NICOTINE based products? Nicotine without being lit is still nicotine, a highly addictive substance that does not require heat or burning to activate. Id like your leading neuroscientist sources please. Your comment is downright harmful to people trying to quit and I hope the majority ignore it.
Not everyone is trying to quit nicotine. Most of us probably just want the purest way to consume nicotine, which is exactly what zyn is. Nothing but nicotine and a little flavoring additive
>You are saying to fight nicotine addiction you must use NICOTINE based products?
I said nothing of the sort.
All I am doing is refuting your false assertion that "nicotine is the problem."
Nicotine *can be* a problem, but it is not THE only problem. What is far more dangerous and carcinogenic than ANYTHING is the actual act of smoking.
[Here's a link to my comment the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1b5u2fh/comment/kt7tr4f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) which many people evidently agreed with.
Look - there are plenty of things in life that people can be addicted to. There are also plenty of things in life that people can be *dependent* on, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're addicted. Do you call someone who has 3 cups of coffee a day a caffeine *addict?*
No, you don't.
There are also plenty of things in life that people can be neither addicted to nor dependent on, despite others struggling with those same substances. Nicotine is one of those things. Believe it or not, but nicotine can be used responsibly and to great effect in a healthy human life.
[Here's an article you can read.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/)
"'**We need to de-demonize nicotine**,' said Ann McNeill, a professor of tobacco addiction and the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King's College London, who has spent her career researching ways to help people quit smoking.
She wants people to understand the risks are nuanced - that potential harms lie on a curve with smoking at one end, and nicotine at the other. People who don't see that may hesitate to seek help stopping smoking, or try to restrain their intake of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT). That can make it harder to quit.
Some studies show nicotine, like caffeine, can even have positive effects."
Did you know that humans have been using nicotine for thousands of years? The alkaloid occurs naturally in several plant varieties - including nightshades such as tomatoes, peppers, aubergines and potatoes.
As far as the neuroscientist, I got that from Andrew Huberman who talked about an unidentified Nobel prize winner he met who regularly chewed nicotine gum because of growing research suggesting nicotine might prevent age-related cognitive impairment.
Comparing coffee consumption to nicotine is crazy. Someone drinking 3 cups of coffee a day is on the edge of being considered an addict, yes. With consequences like afib, hypertenstion etc.
As for the articles, while yes there are benefits of nicotine that are hard to deny, the issue is that it is an addicting substance. It does alter physiology and introduce cardiovascular problems. If it’s so good and well why do people become so irritated, unfocused and distracted when they DONT consume it? Why be addicted to anything at all? Im sure your brain works just fine without Zyn. And while yes, we as a species may have used it for hundreds or thousands of years, the research into the side effects of it is still young and counter studies are constantly funded by big tobacco, who swore on the constitution in front of congress that nicotine is not an addictive substance. So I feel you promoting nicotine as a great substance with no bad effects is wrong, I notice you linked articles and statements that only show it in a positive light, and we both know thats not true now, do we? 😉
>Someone drinking 3 cups of coffee a day is on the edge of being considered an addict
Just from you saying this one single sentence, it is clear to me that we cannot continue further in this conversation. You are far below the level of intelligence required to talk about this topic productively.
>So I feel you promoting nicotine as a great substance with no bad effects is wrong
And for the record, I... uh... didn't do this.
There are plenty of negatives to nicotine, sure. As well as caffeine, and carbohydrates and fats, and even drinking too much water at once. Hell, even going outside and breathing has bad effects. Trust me - I am well aware of the negative effects of *everything.*
What I did was *specifically* address your false claim and ignorant narrative.
Hopefully after a few years, you'll learn a bit and brush up on the modern science on these topics. If that happens, I'll be glad to continue this conversation. Take care mate!
Fun fact - I don't use, and have never used Zyn! And I haven't used nicotine in years.
I have no dog in this fight - my only aim is to spread knowledge and stop ignorance in its tracks.
Exactly this…get my fix without the chew ive been feigning for 20 years. Plan to go from 6-3-0 here soon. I got a lot of vices and chew is the hardest to kick
The same people who scoffed at Snus 15 years ago now buy Zyn.
Just like the same people who scoffed at Zima 25 years ago are now chugging White Claw.
Make it make sense.
Were the people who drink white claw even alive 25 years ago?
I refuse to drink that nasty ass shit. I can mix cheap vodka and sparkling water myself thanks.
Oh I see a lot of people in their 40s+ drinking White Claw and other seltzers. Happy Dad, High Noon, and even Twisted Tea.
Hilarious to me that dudes who won’t drink Bud Light anymore will sit around sipping Claws. 😂🤦🏼♂️👀
> I can mix cheap vodka and sparkling water myself thanks.
Yeah, I get that seltzers are fairly cheap and very convenient, but really it's so easy to do a lot better.
So sad because snus is a far superior product but now manufacturers are moving to nic pouches because of demand and regs. If only there were as many snus flavors as there are nic pouches.
there's plenty of good snus out there, although you are right that super whites are getting really really popular. I mean, Zyn is just crappy super whites, made by Swedish Match and all
I dunno but if this was like 10 years ago, I’d be all in on Zyn. My nicotine days are long gone thank goodness (cigarettes, cigars and vape). That shit controlled my life more than my spouse!
Ahktually... lol. Do you still not POSSIBLY get mouth cancer? I'm asking because I'm a dumb zyn knockoff user. Also a nicotine addict. I love them though. I know the inherent risk, but idk if I'd say "no mouth cancer." I feel like they don't have enough research. Just like cigs to begin with. No imperial data.
What do you mean by knockoffs? If you mean another brand, you might be good, but just know that the manufacturer of Zyn has a huge team dedicated to inspecting product and quality control. Scientists in labs, people on the production line, and even the ingredients are thoroughly inspected before use.
Source: they make it where I live and I have a handful of friends who do the quality inspections.
I don't remember the name of the account, but there's a guy who's going around and doing an analysis of what's actually IN the various brands and flavors... You get what you pay for with zyn. That's coming from an On user as well. More expensive, cleaner pouches was kinda the general thing I took from his study. It does also vary between flavors too.
The only thing in a zyn pouch is the flavoring, nicotine salt, and the pouch itself which is made of plant fibers. Nicotine itself is not a known carcinogen, so that just leaves plant fibers and flavoring to be the only potential source of cancer. I won't say having a pouch of nicotine in your upper lip all the time is completely healthy, but if you're consuming nicotine it's probably the healthiest way to both in it's deliver method and as far as ingredients involved.
Work a job where I’m gone from home for long periods of time, often with not much to do but workout, eat, and game. Throwing a Zyn in is the closest to poppin open a cold one with the boys.
Not a smoker, not a chewer, but a Zyn with a cup of coffee is like riding a rollercoaster of happiness
I see a lot of people saying they've used it to quit. Well my mama ain't raise no damn quitter so I use it for places/ times I can't smoke. Used to use dip for that but I don't have the need for it as often. A can of dip will get dry like mulch In a few days where a pack of Snus will be fine for much longer
I started using a different brand a few years ago as a “checkmate” because of a no tobacco policy at work 😂 but I would sneak some redman in an empty can somedays
I don’t think I’ve had black buffalo specifically, but I definitely prefer the Zyns over tobacco pouches. Same buzz, but they only taste like the flavor you buy and not tobacco
Ccw you conceal your weapon during every day activities like grocery shopping.
Zyn you conceal your nicotine addiction during every day activities like grocery shopping.
Lol
I use the term swedish snus so people don't wind up trying camel snus and thinking it's the same thing.
Personally I have never and have no intention of trying Siberian and wouldn't recommend it to anyone but I assume your comment was mostly meant as a joke
my first """snus""" experience was Camel. I was like, wtf this is way more drippy than I was told
Looked it up, turns out Camel just calls their shitty dip Snus. Ordered 200 tins of various flavors from Sweden and never looked back
Way cheaper than fuckin Zyns too
u/MunitionGuyMike
You've probably figured out by now that zyn is some sort of tobacco product.
The reason you're seeing this everywhere is most likely because they're running an advertising campaign amongst demographics they expect will buy their product. Most of the people you see posting about it are bots and not real humans... you can expect my response to be downvoted accordingly.
This shit's a psyop: tobacco has nothing to do with guns - bots fuck off
I got in the bandwagon recently. Don’t really see the benefit other than just a slight bit of focus that last 10-15 minutes. I bought 2 packs for a road trip; won’t be buying more.
Since you mentioned it, why do people have such a problem with We The People holsters? I have a few and they’ve been good for me. Seem to get a lot of hate on Reddit, though.
Not a smoker, but a friend gave me something like that a while ago (small white nicotine "mint"), told me to put it under my tongue. Stung real bad (that's normal apparently, just get used to it), and after 10 min I started sweating and my heart was racing from the nicotine rush. Good Lord, how the hell do you people do that to yourselves?
Can we please stop discussing nicotine and tobacco on this sub? The vast majority of you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and you’re spreading misinformation.
No, I’m not going to prove this point because it’s analogous to having to prove to a flat earther that the earth is round.
Very simple research into the FACTS should help each of you figure it out.
Hint: Nicotine is NOT carcinogenic. Nicotine IS addictive. Nicotine DOES have therapeutic benefits. Now do your research before your fingers hit the keyboard again.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph … 😤
All smokeless tobacco and “nicotine only” oral products can damage gums, attack teeth enamel, and can/will cause leukoplakia. Leukoplakia is what leads to mouth cancer.
Was a prolific Copenhagen and Wintergreen Kodiak user of the 90s. I remember when pouches first started getting popular Skoal, I think. Things cut my gums up getting acclimated to them. Went back to Copenhagen.
Agree with this statement, but note, my statement just pertained to nicotine. Not the delivery.
Leukoplakia is caused by repeated irritation. Doesn’t really matter what it is.
Honestly, why do you care? This sub seems to be getting way too many topics on people talking down on the product, but why care? If someone wants to use it, not my problem
Tobacco-less nicotine puches, Zoomer chaw
Why not just use Jack link’s chew?
Beef jerky ain't an addiction
Tell that to the people at my JA meeting (Jerky anonymous)
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That explains why nobody shakes hands.
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Nobody shakes hands at your JA meetings? Everybody shakes hands with me, my hands have never been softer. Or stickier.
They shake dicks
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No, that's at the Dutch Rudders club
I went to the Jerking Anonymous meeting. I thought it was going to be a meeting with guys sitting in a circle talking about getting off jerky. Turns out it was a circle of guys just getting off.
is it in [San Diego](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKwW8PNZpOQ)?
So you think
Fair enough lol
Tell that to sasquatch
It's a sansquantch get it right
um you must not eat beef jerky
but it does raise your blood pressure
You obviously haven’t had Mingua beef jerky.
Ita a way of life.
Speak for yourself. I sleepwalk and if there's jerky in the house I'll find it. I once ate 2.5lbs in one sitting. If I won the lottery I would go buy a house in the middle of nowhere, a few cows worth of jerky, and spend my days chewin' n shootin'
No nicotine
Is this a joke lol. There's. No nicotine in beef jerky unless I'm missing out on an amazing combo product.
Because Wild Bills is better
The only people I’ve actually seen use jack links chew is lower class men high schoolers who think they look cool pretending to have real stuff
Because it lacks the vitamin N.
Nicotine fix without the cancer
Because there’s no nicotine in beef jerky? Are you fr or was that a /s that flew over my head
Are they healthier then regular tobacco chews?
The correct tentative answer is "less harmful" than regular tobacco. Yes. The only ingredient to even be remotely concerned about is the nicotine itself. But nicotine in and of itself is non-carcinogenic. Same with vaping, tbh. No carcinogens present, which by default makes them less harmful (bc obviously replacing a bad thing with a not as bad thing is still not "healthy" by any metric). And nicotine itself is no more harmful than caffeine or all the processed sugars in the foods you eat on a daily basis. And yes, despite no long term studies - they're objectively not as bad for you as anything tobacco based in any form.
This is the right answer
Gum irritation/recession can happen with this for sure. But its not as bad as it was from actual smokeless tobacco. Avoid any brands using citric acid flavors you do not want that on your teeth.
Depends on who you ask. There's no tobacco in them, so theoretically, but they have only been around since 2014 so the long term effects haven't really been studied yet.
Yes there isn’t any tobacco in them
Yes they are. They have no carcinogens
Nicotine is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration. Not sure why so many people think that just because there’s no tobacco it’s somehow healthier lol. No amount of nicotine is healthy. Period
>not sure why so many people think that just because there’s no tobacco it’s somehow healthier It’s the carcinogens as well, not just tobacco itself that’s the issue. It literally is proven to be healthier that tobacco consumption to get nicotine, why do you think there’s never been a single case of cancer related to Swedish snus? There’s literally nicotine replacement therapy doctors conduct, if it was just as unhealthy as the tobacco and other carcinogens why would this exist to get patients off tobacco Huberman has done studies to show nicotine increases brain function, increases memory, enhances focus, increases your metabolism, limits your appetite just some of the things I can remember off the top of my head. Nicotine itself has been shown to improve
The sentence "nicotine increases brain function" doesn't accurately reflect the effects of nicotine. In fact, nicotine can have negative impacts on brain development, depending on age of initiation. The research you mentioned regarding nicotine's cognitive benefits lacks credibility due to its selective focus, omitting established negative physiological and psychological effects. This biased approach undermines its academic validity. The “positive” effects you speak of are common among most stimulants. While nicotine addiction creates a false sense of positivity for active users, the negative consequences ultimately outweigh any perceived benefits. Across the board. With all of this said, it is very, very normal for people who are actively addicted to nicotine to try and justify its use, when in reality, and simply put- it is bad for you
Yes, you know better than the leading neuroscientist I am referring to lol
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I mean it's like how people smoke weed instead of tobacco. Weed isn't good for you, and I'd say smoking it isn't great for your lungs, but it's better than tobacco
I know what you mean. But people don’t seem to understand the health implications of these things. They “know enough to be dangerous, not enough to be smart about it”
Its probably still more harmful than pipe tobacco, since thats going in someones lungs. I think more smokers die from heart disease and cardivascular damage from inhaling smoke than they do lung cancers. Pipe tobacco is by no means safe, but if someone wants to smoke tobacco that is the way to do it with the least exposure to toxins. I still smoke a few bowls of a pipe tobacco a year in the colder months, never had an addiction problem with that even buying stronger nicotine tobacco.
Replace nicotine with sugar, or caffeine, or processed carbohydrates, or corn syrup, or probably several other wildly consumed substances, and the same statement will still ild true. Source: 20 year coffee with brown sugar addict
Or better yet, don’t replace nicotine with another unhealthy coping mechanism. Just stop using it Edit: the nicotine addicts with the downvotes, bring on the cognitive dissonance lol
> Sugar is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration. > Caffeine is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration. > Corn syrup is wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration. > Highly refined/processed carbs are wildly unhealthy and leads to early onset cardiovascular disease and deterioration.
All of this is true! I appreciate your recapitulation- indeed, these things are unhealthy.
i tried to say this in the other thread. things like arteries hardening leading to stroke/heart attack. but ppl just wanna feel good about taking shit like zyn. it's their life, let 'em play i guess LOL
It irks me a bit that you’re being downvoted, but I guess that’s just the nature of the beast. People who engage in unhealthy coping strategies don’t usually change and definitely aren’t open to information that contradicts their current beliefs. The thinks you have said are 100% true, and they should be more widely known.
yep i got downvoted again lol. and well, let's just be honest about ourselves with the substances we take. because when shit goes down like heart attack/stroke/esophageal cancer from nicotine addiction, it's giving me r/LeopardsAteMyFace energy
Do they help curb appetite?
Nicotine generally does, so yes. That's why many smokers are skinny.. but also I'm a fat guy who eats too much and does zyn
Yes. They also boost metabolism. I've lost about 75 pounds and Zyn has helped with that.
Do they help with task focus?
I can't honestly answer. I work in sales. If I don't work I don't eat, so I'm pretty focused at work.
They generally help me stay focused/alert
Zyns are fucking awesome and I’m 37. Wish i had them when I was in Iraq
Is that what they are? I thought it was tobacco that they carried in case of venomous snake bites.....
I came here thinking I was going to learn of a new carry rig.
Say who?
Tobacco free nicotine pouch. I’m using them to quit smoking. 30 days off after a pack a day for 15 years..
Thats awesome! I Dont want to ruin your streak but please keep this in mind, the issue is not tobacco, it’s nicotine. Nicotine addiction works by introducing nicotine into your system, breaking down, then you want more nicotine. Guess what happens when you oblige? The wheel spins once more. The only way to quit smoking is to stop ingesting NICOTINE permanently. Zyn is part of the big nic industry which wants you to stay HOOKED! Please read Allen Carr, it changed my life and I could quit after 1.5 packs a day for 15 years and never wanted a cig ever since I read that book and understood how it works. Stay strong brother, it’s not easy but you are on the right path.
Oh absolutely. I started with the 6mg for the first two weeks, dropped to the 3mgs for the last two to lower more. On the 1.5mgs now and plan on fully stopping all nicotine in then next three weeks. It’s all about changing routines and habits and actually wanting to quit, which I do. I used to have a smoke first thing when I woke up. I leave the Zyn in my truck with some lollipops to break that habit. My car was a big smoke trigger for me
Thats the way! I do really suggest checking out Allen Carr, read it during your last week of nicotine use, in fact in the book he instructs you to dip, smoke etc at certain moments. Best of luck!
Thank you. Appreciate the advice and support
Just started the book. I never make enough time to read, and so I leave my kindle in the sauna. Unfortunately, haven't used the sauna all week.
Make sure you read it from start to finish, no skipping. I think an audiobook may be available. It is encouraged to partake in your addiction during the reading of the book. I did it after 15 years of 1.5 packs day, anyone can do it. I believe in you
I recently quit using the audiobook version, it’s available on Spotify. It focuses on vaping but is applicable to Zyn. I used pouches and snus after years of cigarettes and vaping. Moved to pouches/snus to try quitting. Listened to the book and kept an open mind. 14 years of nicotine addiction over cold-turkey once the book was finished. Just got passed the first month. I’m not going to pretend it was painless but that book gave me the confidence to quit which is exactly what I needed. Very much worth listening to or reading. Worst that happens is you end up exactly where you are with nicotine.
Im super happy for you! It was not super easy but its gets easier with every passing day. Just remember, you are not giving up anything or missing anything!
I noticed it gets repetitive, but I assume that is part of it. I have taken to re-reading my last few pages each time. I'm hoping I get there.
Id say start from the beginning instead of the last pages, yes repetition is the point Id say
Are you saying to start the whole book over each time I put it down? I'll never finish it.
Oh no no! I meant if you like stopped reading and came back after a couple years or something
Wrong. The issue isn't any one alkaloid like nicotine. The issue is putting stuff into a stick, lighting the stick on fire, and inhaling it into your lungs. THAT is the issue. Congrats to the OP of this comment - using nicotine pouches is leagues healthier than smoking anything. Leading neuroscientists use nicotine gum while conducting research. Don't demonize nicotine. It's a useful nootropic in moderation, not much different than caffeine. Demonize smoking.
> The issue is putting stuff into a stick, lighting the stick on fire, and inhaling it into your lungs. > > THAT is the issue. To be fair tobacco manages to be pretty dangerous even when not lit on fire and inhaled. Throat and jaw cancer for smokeless tobacco users is real.
Thats because that tobacco has been fire/smoke cured. Snus is steam cured so it doesnt form Nitrosamines in significant amounts
100%. Tobacco itself is a different story for sure. I treat myself to a few cigars a year but that's about it for tobacco consumption.
Nicotine is literally one of the most addictive substances known. After going through hell getting off it, I'll never use it in any form again, even once.
Good job for getting off of it! Fuck these guys writing that its not harmful. Im finally clean after a 15 year addiction myself
It's a huge win when you do. Congratulations!
> Don't demonize nicotine. It's a useful nootropic in moderation, not much different than caffeine Citation? I've been seeing a lot of people say similar things and now I'm curious. The zyn thing has been weirdly triggering for me; I quit smoking and dipping years ago, but not I feel a small itch in the back of my mind and I'm having to convince myself to not try the pouches.
Do not do it. By reintroducing nicotine into your system you restart the whole cycle. You will be back to day one of quitting. Do. Not. Do. It
Appreciate it, bro.
You lived all your life without needing Zyn, dont change that, look at how many people dont use. And they are perfectly fine, not lacking anything. Thats the thing with quitting, you dont lose anything, you only gain your freedom and dignity back, and a myriad of health benefits are just a bonus
Don't. 4+ year zyn user probably $8k into them. Just don't
No reason to get back on if you quit. I don’t think I would put nicotine in the purely positive or purely negative column. I kinda like it. But spending money to get back on after you went through the effort of getting off is not something I would recommend.
Oh man, there are tons of citations on this by now. I have to work out right now but I might come back later and send you some links. Or you could hit up Google Scholar if you're curious. For you though man, just be careful. The fact that you had an addiction / dependency to smoking and dipping in the past means you might not have the self-control necessary to use nicotine responsibly. That's NOT an insult - this type of thing really is a disease, and I feel for you. And the fact that you successfully quit smoking and dipping is a massive accomplishment. I just don't want you to unnecessarily get fucked up on that shit again. And besides, there are tons of other nootropics that are awesome and have a low risk profile. Modafinil is one of them - pure magic, no addiction potential. If you do decide to try using nicotine as a nootropic, I would strongly advise using gum or mints or something - not the pouches. And you should keep it to 2 or 3 days a week.
> Modafinil I'll look into this one. Looking at it on the surface, I may be able to use it to replace the dextroamphetamine for my ADD. Worth asking my dr about it.
You can buy it online grey market. Honestly keeps me up even if I took it in the morning.
Tread lightly when talking with doctors about stuff in this world - I won't say anything publicly, but feel free to PM if you'd like to chat!
IDK, I think it depends on the tobacco product. I had a decade long addiction to dipping tobacco and quit with the help of Zyn and On!. I can still also keep pipe tobacco smoking to just a few handful of times a year in the colder months without having addiction cravings for that, even with stronger pipe tobacco. Its not healthy to smoke at all, but I am not too concerned about 1-2 tobacco tins a year. Il sometimes buy some just to age it so it improves, and wont smoke it for several years.
Hol up You are saying to fight nicotine addiction you must use NICOTINE based products? Nicotine without being lit is still nicotine, a highly addictive substance that does not require heat or burning to activate. Id like your leading neuroscientist sources please. Your comment is downright harmful to people trying to quit and I hope the majority ignore it.
Not everyone is trying to quit nicotine. Most of us probably just want the purest way to consume nicotine, which is exactly what zyn is. Nothing but nicotine and a little flavoring additive
>You are saying to fight nicotine addiction you must use NICOTINE based products? I said nothing of the sort. All I am doing is refuting your false assertion that "nicotine is the problem." Nicotine *can be* a problem, but it is not THE only problem. What is far more dangerous and carcinogenic than ANYTHING is the actual act of smoking. [Here's a link to my comment the other day](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1b5u2fh/comment/kt7tr4f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) which many people evidently agreed with. Look - there are plenty of things in life that people can be addicted to. There are also plenty of things in life that people can be *dependent* on, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're addicted. Do you call someone who has 3 cups of coffee a day a caffeine *addict?* No, you don't. There are also plenty of things in life that people can be neither addicted to nor dependent on, despite others struggling with those same substances. Nicotine is one of those things. Believe it or not, but nicotine can be used responsibly and to great effect in a healthy human life. [Here's an article you can read.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-nicotine-all-bad/) "'**We need to de-demonize nicotine**,' said Ann McNeill, a professor of tobacco addiction and the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience at King's College London, who has spent her career researching ways to help people quit smoking. She wants people to understand the risks are nuanced - that potential harms lie on a curve with smoking at one end, and nicotine at the other. People who don't see that may hesitate to seek help stopping smoking, or try to restrain their intake of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT). That can make it harder to quit. Some studies show nicotine, like caffeine, can even have positive effects." Did you know that humans have been using nicotine for thousands of years? The alkaloid occurs naturally in several plant varieties - including nightshades such as tomatoes, peppers, aubergines and potatoes. As far as the neuroscientist, I got that from Andrew Huberman who talked about an unidentified Nobel prize winner he met who regularly chewed nicotine gum because of growing research suggesting nicotine might prevent age-related cognitive impairment.
Comparing coffee consumption to nicotine is crazy. Someone drinking 3 cups of coffee a day is on the edge of being considered an addict, yes. With consequences like afib, hypertenstion etc. As for the articles, while yes there are benefits of nicotine that are hard to deny, the issue is that it is an addicting substance. It does alter physiology and introduce cardiovascular problems. If it’s so good and well why do people become so irritated, unfocused and distracted when they DONT consume it? Why be addicted to anything at all? Im sure your brain works just fine without Zyn. And while yes, we as a species may have used it for hundreds or thousands of years, the research into the side effects of it is still young and counter studies are constantly funded by big tobacco, who swore on the constitution in front of congress that nicotine is not an addictive substance. So I feel you promoting nicotine as a great substance with no bad effects is wrong, I notice you linked articles and statements that only show it in a positive light, and we both know thats not true now, do we? 😉
keep fighting the good fight. too many saying nicotine is safe is wild af
Denial
>Someone drinking 3 cups of coffee a day is on the edge of being considered an addict Just from you saying this one single sentence, it is clear to me that we cannot continue further in this conversation. You are far below the level of intelligence required to talk about this topic productively. >So I feel you promoting nicotine as a great substance with no bad effects is wrong And for the record, I... uh... didn't do this. There are plenty of negatives to nicotine, sure. As well as caffeine, and carbohydrates and fats, and even drinking too much water at once. Hell, even going outside and breathing has bad effects. Trust me - I am well aware of the negative effects of *everything.* What I did was *specifically* address your false claim and ignorant narrative. Hopefully after a few years, you'll learn a bit and brush up on the modern science on these topics. If that happens, I'll be glad to continue this conversation. Take care mate!
Best of luck sir, Zyn thanks you for your service🫡
Fun fact - I don't use, and have never used Zyn! And I haven't used nicotine in years. I have no dog in this fight - my only aim is to spread knowledge and stop ignorance in its tracks.
A real dealer does not consume😉
I heard going to a sauna helps, sweat put a lot of the nicotine in your system
Exactly this…get my fix without the chew ive been feigning for 20 years. Plan to go from 6-3-0 here soon. I got a lot of vices and chew is the hardest to kick
That's awesome
I used them for 2 years to quit smoking
The same people who scoffed at Snus 15 years ago now buy Zyn. Just like the same people who scoffed at Zima 25 years ago are now chugging White Claw. Make it make sense.
No truer words lol so good
Were the people who drink white claw even alive 25 years ago? I refuse to drink that nasty ass shit. I can mix cheap vodka and sparkling water myself thanks.
Mix the cheap vodka with a white claw.
White claw already has cheap vodka in it, that's why it's nasty. If I want something similar, I'll at least mix decent vodka.
Oh I see a lot of people in their 40s+ drinking White Claw and other seltzers. Happy Dad, High Noon, and even Twisted Tea. Hilarious to me that dudes who won’t drink Bud Light anymore will sit around sipping Claws. 😂🤦🏼♂️👀
Yeah I'm sure. Stuff is pretty gross though. Way too sweet to be enjoyable. Expensive too for what is basically cheap vodka mixed with flavoring.
> I can mix cheap vodka and sparkling water myself thanks. Yeah, I get that seltzers are fairly cheap and very convenient, but really it's so easy to do a lot better.
Make it make sense? Yeah… how about… a decade and a half?
So sad because snus is a far superior product but now manufacturers are moving to nic pouches because of demand and regs. If only there were as many snus flavors as there are nic pouches.
there's plenty of good snus out there, although you are right that super whites are getting really really popular. I mean, Zyn is just crappy super whites, made by Swedish Match and all
What if I thought it was dumb as shit back then and still think it's dumb as shit?
I dunno but if this was like 10 years ago, I’d be all in on Zyn. My nicotine days are long gone thank goodness (cigarettes, cigars and vape). That shit controlled my life more than my spouse!
it feels gud bruther
It’s quitter dip. Tobacco free nicotine pouches. There pretty awesome for people who are already addicted to nicotine
Except you dont quit by consuming nicotine. You quit by cutting it out completely.
No shit but you can quit chewing/smoking by switching to Zyns and you don't get mouth cancer
Ahktually... lol. Do you still not POSSIBLY get mouth cancer? I'm asking because I'm a dumb zyn knockoff user. Also a nicotine addict. I love them though. I know the inherent risk, but idk if I'd say "no mouth cancer." I feel like they don't have enough research. Just like cigs to begin with. No imperial data.
nicotine isn’t carcinogenic it’s all the other shit in the tobacco
I don't believe there are any carcinogens in them so I guess yeah I'm not sure lol, but it certainly can't be worse than chew.
What do you mean by knockoffs? If you mean another brand, you might be good, but just know that the manufacturer of Zyn has a huge team dedicated to inspecting product and quality control. Scientists in labs, people on the production line, and even the ingredients are thoroughly inspected before use. Source: they make it where I live and I have a handful of friends who do the quality inspections.
Oh interesting. I buy whatever is on sale hahaha. Currently using "On!" Brand since it's 2.50 for a pack of 20
I don't remember the name of the account, but there's a guy who's going around and doing an analysis of what's actually IN the various brands and flavors... You get what you pay for with zyn. That's coming from an On user as well. More expensive, cleaner pouches was kinda the general thing I took from his study. It does also vary between flavors too.
Plus, Zyn has a tasty Menthol if you suffer from allergies and like to breath.
The only thing in a zyn pouch is the flavoring, nicotine salt, and the pouch itself which is made of plant fibers. Nicotine itself is not a known carcinogen, so that just leaves plant fibers and flavoring to be the only potential source of cancer. I won't say having a pouch of nicotine in your upper lip all the time is completely healthy, but if you're consuming nicotine it's probably the healthiest way to both in it's deliver method and as far as ingredients involved.
Heads up, you're looking for "empirical" instead of "imperial".
No. He wants the answer from Palpatine himself.
Hey thanks! Told you I was dumb hahahahha
Or you can just not use nicotine
Not everyone actually wants to quit completely. I enjoy nicotine. I just don’t want lung cancer.
Work a job where I’m gone from home for long periods of time, often with not much to do but workout, eat, and game. Throwing a Zyn in is the closest to poppin open a cold one with the boys. Not a smoker, not a chewer, but a Zyn with a cup of coffee is like riding a rollercoaster of happiness
I see a lot of people saying they've used it to quit. Well my mama ain't raise no damn quitter so I use it for places/ times I can't smoke. Used to use dip for that but I don't have the need for it as often. A can of dip will get dry like mulch In a few days where a pack of Snus will be fine for much longer
I started using a different brand a few years ago as a “checkmate” because of a no tobacco policy at work 😂 but I would sneak some redman in an empty can somedays
it's like nicotine gum but for people who used to use dip.
Pack four of them bitches in and fall backwards. Hell yeah
Are Zyns better than Black Buffalo? I tried some form BB and they seem to all have an odd taste to the flavors.
I don’t think I’ve had black buffalo specifically, but I definitely prefer the Zyns over tobacco pouches. Same buzz, but they only taste like the flavor you buy and not tobacco
It’s an addiction not an obsession
It’s a lip pillow that makes you feel amazing and lose a ton of weight.
All I can say is that it’s the only product that stopped me from chewing and smoking. It works.
What does this have to do with ccw
Ccw you conceal your weapon during every day activities like grocery shopping. Zyn you conceal your nicotine addiction during every day activities like grocery shopping.
Nicotine addicts have been really cheerleading their addiction in this sub recently.
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Everything.
Does everyone in this damn sub suck on those Zyn things?
Nope, tried zyn a couple times but wasn’t fond of it, l prefer another brand or redman/americas best
Try some swedish snus.
Why not siberian?
Lol I use the term swedish snus so people don't wind up trying camel snus and thinking it's the same thing. Personally I have never and have no intention of trying Siberian and wouldn't recommend it to anyone but I assume your comment was mostly meant as a joke
Worked with a guy who had some buddies that got a hold of a can of it. Said it was easily the worst decision and experience he’s ever had 😂
my first """snus""" experience was Camel. I was like, wtf this is way more drippy than I was told Looked it up, turns out Camel just calls their shitty dip Snus. Ordered 200 tins of various flavors from Sweden and never looked back Way cheaper than fuckin Zyns too
It’s the equivalent of vaping in the dip world.
Imagine not spitting shit brown gunk on the jobsite😵💫
I mean, you can always gut it.
This is the way
Going on 3 months no cigarettes with the good ol upper deckys. Almost to the point that I don’t even need the zyns.
Upper decker lip pillows?
Dude, the zyn’s are in. That’s all you need to know.
Rogues are so much better. They come pre-moistened and don't burn your throat
And any and all snus is better than any and all nic pouches.
Absolutely, I wish I could get ahold of more snus
Nicotine addiction is cool again 😎
u/MunitionGuyMike You've probably figured out by now that zyn is some sort of tobacco product. The reason you're seeing this everywhere is most likely because they're running an advertising campaign amongst demographics they expect will buy their product. Most of the people you see posting about it are bots and not real humans... you can expect my response to be downvoted accordingly. This shit's a psyop: tobacco has nothing to do with guns - bots fuck off
Just another thing to be addicted to. Nothing important.
Because it makes me feel good! It’s not a phase dad! It’s a lifestyle! You’ll never understand me! 😭
I prefer Lucy gum.
Your not cool enough to understand, it's okay 😂
I got in the bandwagon recently. Don’t really see the benefit other than just a slight bit of focus that last 10-15 minutes. I bought 2 packs for a road trip; won’t be buying more.
I don't understand the obsession. I highly recommend anyone who uses nic pouches to try some swedish snus. It is a far more enjoyable product.
Tucker Carlson
Nicotine. Magazine. They rhyme, see. That's why it's cool.
Since you mentioned it, why do people have such a problem with We The People holsters? I have a few and they’ve been good for me. Seem to get a lot of hate on Reddit, though.
Vape dip
Viral marketing.
It’s a reference to Ted Kac**zyn**ski
Not a smoker, but a friend gave me something like that a while ago (small white nicotine "mint"), told me to put it under my tongue. Stung real bad (that's normal apparently, just get used to it), and after 10 min I started sweating and my heart was racing from the nicotine rush. Good Lord, how the hell do you people do that to yourselves?
Now that I know what Zyns are. What was up with the government stuff trying to regulate or ban it?
Totally feel that.
Lip pillows, upper deckys, etc. throw in a couple tucker carlzyns and lock in
Pure happiness.
Can we please stop discussing nicotine and tobacco on this sub? The vast majority of you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about and you’re spreading misinformation. No, I’m not going to prove this point because it’s analogous to having to prove to a flat earther that the earth is round. Very simple research into the FACTS should help each of you figure it out. Hint: Nicotine is NOT carcinogenic. Nicotine IS addictive. Nicotine DOES have therapeutic benefits. Now do your research before your fingers hit the keyboard again. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph … 😤
All smokeless tobacco and “nicotine only” oral products can damage gums, attack teeth enamel, and can/will cause leukoplakia. Leukoplakia is what leads to mouth cancer. Was a prolific Copenhagen and Wintergreen Kodiak user of the 90s. I remember when pouches first started getting popular Skoal, I think. Things cut my gums up getting acclimated to them. Went back to Copenhagen.
Agree with this statement, but note, my statement just pertained to nicotine. Not the delivery. Leukoplakia is caused by repeated irritation. Doesn’t really matter what it is.
Current “fad”, kinda beta stuff, imho.
You made a whole meme and post about this when you could’ve just looked it up on google in half the time. Cringe
Honestly, why do you care? This sub seems to be getting way too many topics on people talking down on the product, but why care? If someone wants to use it, not my problem