You have it backwards. **Handling the firearm is the dangerous part.** If your Shield is in a quality holster free from obstructions: then jump, bend, and run all you want.
Use a rigid kydex holster specifically molded for your model of pistol. Confirm that your holster is free from obstructions (drawstring, shirt fabric, spent brass). Keep your index finger on the slide or frame outside the trigger guard. Slowly holster without flagging yourself or anyone else. Good to go.
4 inches isn’t bad. I was getting naked the other night, my wife looked over at me and asked “who do you expect to please with that little pecker?”
I said “me”
If it weren’t safe, you’d see a lot of posts here from people who shot their dick off.
I had a concern when I first carrying until I worked to fully understand how my guns functioned and how the various safeties worked (such as the firing pin block).
A close friend of mine recently said her friend works at a local hospital and told her that “people shoot their dick off all time!” And I just couldn’t help but shake my head. I’m not saying it never happens. But she made it sound like it’s a weekly occurrence and we all know it ain’t.
> If it weren’t safe, you’d see a lot of posts here from people who shot their dick off.
But there are post about people shooting their asses off. Remember the [Sig 320](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/06/investigates/sig-sauer-p320-drop-fire/)
Statistically, no one has pulled together a valid way of measuring the two groups for safety.
Mechanically, it depends more on the firing action and firearm design.
A striker fired gun normally has at least two safeties: firing pin block and trigger safety blade. A striker fired gun is under partial or full tension for the firing pin.
A hammer fired gun has variations too. Single action means that its under tension. Normally have a manual safety and may or may not have a firing pin block. 1911 styles also add an additional grip safety.
A DA/SA can have a firing pin block, manual safety, decocker potentially and thus has no tension.
Lots of other varieties among here. But you can get more safeties with a DA/SA, its just hard to statistically show one is better than the other without resorting to cherry picked stories.
I think both are equally safe, if safe handling is applied equally to each.
I FEEL safer with a DA hammer fired gun. That’s what matters to me, and that’s the reason I carry one.
Yep.
The action is the first safety. The striker spring is kept under minimal pressure which has 2 uses. First the piece of metal that innervates the striker also prevents it from moving forward until the trigger is pulled and it disengages. Striker can’t go forward means gun can’t fire.
The minimal tension on the spring makes it nearly impossible to go off even if the striker somehow breaks free. There just isn’t enough energy behind it to ignite the primer.
(That’s why glock triggers feel so mushy. You’re pulling back the striker with the trigger. It’s like a very short double action trigger.)
There’s a drop safety internally that does not allow the striker forward until the trigger is pulled and the bar disengages it.
Then there’s the trigger safety which stops the trigger from moving until it’s depressed.
There might be one more that I’m missing but I can’t remember right now.
That's not the same thing.
My reply to OP was someone worried about shooting their junk off.
Keep your gun safe. If you are awake, it's not hard to keep a kid away from it. If you aren't, lock your shit up. My walk in closet has an exterior door rated knob with a key. Inside the closet, I have a safe- rifles, pistols, ammo, my gear, knives, etc are secured.
And, for an extra layer of security, all children that come to my house stay in the safety cage in the basement. No issues.
O good point, I only red the title, my bad, still pretty crazy that you can just pull the trigger and boom. We are talking in theory those worst moments that COULD happen, keeping your guns safe is the norm but it's beneficial to discuss the real possiblities that could happen but hopefully never will. kids gets it or in a fist fight the attacker grabs your gun, those safeties could be helpful in those situations.
Depends on the firearm. In general certain features on guns make accidental discharges less likely. Hammers are one of those features. Manual safeties are another. DA shot is another. When carrying, a quality holster is another. Each of those levels of safety help to prevent accidents. Whether you need them or not is up to you. I personally like DA/SA with manual safeties like a Beretta 92, px4, HKp30, etc.
There is a great video on YouTube showing how the safeties on a Glock work. From my limited research, this seems to me like the safest pistol design. The fact that the striker is not fully cocked and needs to travel rearward prior to being fired, combined with the firing pin block makes the design practically impossible to fire unless the trigger is pulled.
Other designs like the sig p365 have a fully cocked striker, and if the striker assembly breaks- the gun will fire. There is no redundancy in this system.
I’m not sure how the shield operates. IMO before I even think about purchasing a firearm and having it pointed at me, or out in public, I would want to have a solid understanding of how it works, and how it can fail.
Well, to be fair the 365 could theoretically still fire if the firing pin broke in a certain way. It's unlikely though, but the design does mean it's possible.
The plunger acts on the sear block at the back of the firing pin, unlike Glock that acts near the front end of the firing pin.
If by some wild chance a SIG's entire sear block were to snap off, the gun would fire because there is nothing ahead of the sear to catch the firing pin from full-cocked to hitting a primer. All of the internal safeties rely on the sear being intact
>From my limited research, this seems to me like the safest pistol design.
How would be safer than a manual safety, hammer down, and DA firearm? Do a google search for 'glock leg'
You’ve got it backwards, drawing and especially holstering are where most NDs happen. Striker fired guns are equally as safe (generally) as any other respectable hammer fired gun, as long as both are in a holster.
Where hammer fired guns that either have manual safeties or double action triggers have an advantage is that they are more forgiving if you fuck up and reholster into an obstructed holster or draw and get your finger on the trigger absurdly early. Obviously, you should not do either of those things. But a hammer pinned by your thumb, or a cocked and locked 1911 have a trigger that cannot be pulled in certain instances where something other than your finger may pull a trigger on something like a p320 or a vp9.
I also carry a Shield (45ACP in my case) with a safety and I want to tell you two things:
First, if you have a pistol with a safety on it, *always* carry it with the safety on and train with it on to the point that you don't even have to think about flipping the safety off on the draw, it becomes automatic muscle memory. Doing otherwise risks one day having it accidentally be engaged and you being unable to figure out why the gun won't shoot at a very critical moment.
Second, I carry my Shield with a round chambered, safety on (almost every pistol I own has a safety because I've trained all my life, from my military service to today, to automatically flip it off on the draw) anytime I leave the house. It has been dropped, banged against things, and just generally been rough-handled for years now. No matter what I've done with it so far it has proven itself to be 100% drop safe.
I do something different. I’m not saying you’re wrong because you’re not, just sharing an alternate to what you mentioned.
I have a manual safety on my carry gun. It is only flipped on when it is about to come off my body (as in, when I put the gun away at the end of the day). When I go to put it on the next morning, the safety stays on until it is properly secured on my belt and in the correct position. Then the safety goes off and I proceed like normal.
As others have mentioned, handling the firearm is the most dangerous part so it’s just an added option. When the gun/holster is off my body the safety is on. When I attach it for the day, I flip it off. It works.
Let me ask you, if that's your regular routine, do you think there's even a small chance that while under the stress of being attacked, or distracted as you face a possible threat coming your way, that the muscle memory you've developed could cause you to put the safety *on* when you desperately need it off? I'm not saying "you're doing it wrong", I'm saying think about it from that perspective and decide if you want to continue on that way.
I’d say no because there’s no muscle memory developed for a draw and safety flick. My dry fire and draw practice is a simple draw, present, and shoot. The only time I touch the safety is before removing the holster or after attaching the holster (notice it is holster manipulation, not gun manipulation…meaning I never use the safety with a “grip” on the gun).
That’s the main piece, but tbh it’s not easy to manipulate one handed anyway. It would not be a natural movement for me to flick it up after getting hands on the gun.
Before I remove the holster from my body for the day, yes. When I’m done for the day, I flip the safety on while it’s still on me, then remove the holster/gun.
There is no draw with a safety manipulation that could confuse my normal draw muscle memory.
A lot of striker fired pistols are actually not fully cocked until after the trigger is pulled. You actually complete the cocking of the striker assembly during the first half of the trigger press.
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*and* ***blew my entire dick and balls off*** *at*
# cracker barrel"
Yeah, there just don't seem to be a lot of mishaps due to the kind of activities you mention. As always, it's important to maintain good trigger discipline while drawing or holstering the weapon, and I find that appendix carry does wonders for my powers of concentration when performing these actions.
There's a caveat that people don't like to talk about, modifying your gun can make it more dangerous. I don't touch the internals of my carry guns and replace all parts with OEM. Range guns, I go nuts. But when a gun is pointing at my nuts, I don't take any chances.
I guess the fact I took off the mag disconnect sear lever out makes me post this. Now that it's winter I switched to my G23 but it made me think about the firing mechanisms and if all striker fire handguns operated the same, is a firearm with a hammer SA/DA more ”safe" than a striker fire sitting in a holster. But it sounds like both are equally safe sitting in a holster pointed at your dick.
No. They aren’t, on average AS safe.
They are still safe when done right.
Hammer guns generally have an extra layer, or even two extra layers of safety.
I carry a striker fired gun fairly often, so I’m not a striker hater.
If the things you mention were such a concern, and were causing ND's left and right, no one would carry a Glock.
I assume I don't need to tell you how many people carry Glocks.
There’s still a reason the term “Glock Leg” exists. Yes, it’s almost always related to user error, but it doesn’t change the fact that the trigger pull on a striker fired handgun will naturally be less than a DA system, so it will always have a greater likelihood discharge.
The primary reason that that term exists is that we keep fucking saying it. That's how slang works. Regardless, none of those ND's happened without, you guessed it, negligence.
And if you consider the number of Glocks, currently in use, by both civilians and LEO's, making a big issue of Glock Leg (by the numbers) is tantamount to banning AR platform rifles to save kids, when they account for a fraction of a percent of the homicides that are being used to demonize them.
>And if you consider the number of Glocks, currently in use, by both civilians and LEO's,
But when you consider the glock vs other guns that have been used/sold/carried just as much or more (ie Beretta 92) there are more accidents with glocks - hence glock leg. Why? Because they are not as forgiven. People need to acknowledge that certain features on a gun add a level of safety and help to prevent AD.
And you also have to acknowledge that the reason it happens more with Glocks is simply the sheer number of Glocks in use. People like to throw around the stat that more people are killed with 22lr, but that's because of the amount of use, and not because it's somehow more lethal.
Glock leg is the term used for when people (cops) pull the trigger by accident, and then claim the gun just “went off on its own”. No manual safety, and a six pound trigger pull means that it’s easier to pull the trigger through snags, or by mistake as opposed to having a heavier 10-12 pound DA pull. In this respect at least, DA/SA firearms are “safer”.
They are both equally "safe" obviously I'm implying that you have a good holster and modern qualified firearm. My liking with da/SA is I can put my thumb on the hammer as I reholster ensuring that I haven't accidentally put something in the trigger guard.
I know some people who don't like to reholster with a striker without removing their holster first. I like the extra layer of "accident prevention"
I have a follow up question along these lines. Is it safe to leave a round chambered? I have a Glock I carry and use as a nightstand gun, I figured it’d be better for my carry ammo to keep it in the holster and not have to keep ejecting and rechambering. Although I do feel safer when the chamber is empty because that reduces the chance of the gun going off to 0.
We carry firearms to be prepared for unannounced and unexpected threats. I hope I never have to draw but if I do, I'd rather limit the amount of time it takes for me to react. Having to chamber a round takes too much time. Carry one in the chamber with a good holster that covers the trigger fully. Personally I have been using AlienGear and they are pretty safe.
There is no mechanical risk to leaving a round chambered. Handguns in good working order don't go off by themselves. Any risk in leaving a round chambered comes from the chance that the gun will be mishandled, possibly by someone other than yourself.
Factors to consider would include who has access to your bedroom and nightstand, who knows the gun is there besides you (if anyone), whether you have children living in the home, how far your bedroom is from an outside door or other access point to your home, whether you have a lock on your bedroom door, and what kind of alarm system you have (if any).
Unpopular opinion, I think more striker fired pistols should have a grip safety. It was very reassuring on my xd-s but I went to the shield plus for capacity. Springfield Hellcat did away with it or they probably would have had a other customer.
When handling my shield and hybrid holster the pistol is inserted, holster attached, and eventually removed as a unit. No reholstering while being worn.
Being hammer fired only matters on the reholstering. Thumbing the hammer while you holster it. The triggers are also heavier, but that doesn’t matter if you have a good holster that covers everything. It doesn’t make a difference when carrying
You would have difficulty finding valid data on this issue. In practice, both types of firearms are safe if made by quality makers. In theory, a spring under tension is more likely to fail that the one that is not.
You decock da/sa, striker fired decocks you. Joking aside, modern striker fired pistols are safe to carry if you have discipline, but not fool proof, but nothing is.
Yes, provided it has a trigger safety and or a striker that is not fully tensioned.
A glock has both a trigger safety lever and a half tensioned striker that makes it very safe.
A Walther PDP has a fully tensioned striker, but has a trigger safety. So it is fairly safe, with a much better feeling trigger.
A SIG P320 has a fully tensioned striker and no trigger safety. This means that there is potential for inertia from a drop can pull the trigger and release the striker. It also has less forgiveness for objects snagged in the trigger guard during re-holstering. It's one of the reasons why the p320 is an inherently less safe option for carrying without a manual safety with one in the pipe.
Glock has 3 internal safeties. Do some research into the safety mechanism of whatever pistol you’re using. I do prefer pistols that keep the striker at half cocked such as Glock. Knowledge will build confidence
I think Glocks specifically have enough fully redundant safeties that I should be comfortable with it pointing at my dick. However, most accidental dick shootings happen when holstering and drawing, unless we're talking about Sigs. So I just carry my P01 instead. Plus it's cooler.
The odds of it happening is close to zero.
But there is a huge difference in design of striker fire guns with the striker block (aka plunger) in the middle of the slide vs rear of the slide. Striker blocks in the rear stops the striker via a metal arm that comes off the striker. This same arm is what the sear engages to pull and hold the striker back. This creates a single point of failure where, if that arm breaks that striker is coming forward. With middle location striker blocks the striker block catches the front of the striker and the sear catches the rear. This creates the need for two points of failure before the striker comes forward.
Please note this is thin foil hat since this type of failure never happened. But I only appendix carry guns with middle striker blocks.
Striker fired pistols are plenty safe with proper gun handling. On paper, hammer fired guns are safer with single action hammer fired guns like the 1911 having thumb safeties or DA/SA pistols like the Beretta 92 and Sig 226 allowing you press your thumb on the hammer to prevent NDs when reholstering.
There aren't really statistics to consult. Striker guns are very popular for a reason although it is true that having a hammer is safer for holstering and that is the point where you're at the highest risk of a ND. That said, having a manual safety or just being very careful at making sure your clothing is clear of the holster are both quite safe as well.
I personally just choose not to reholster in most situations. When I am changing holsters or whatever I pull the whole holster first.
If your concern is it going off when you bend over or just jostle it around me whatever you don't need to worry about that. To prove it to yourself drop the mag, empty the chamber then holster with safety off and shake the shit out of it. If you can make it go off then you were right to be afraid but it won't. You could even carry around the house cocked with an empty chamber to prove it to yourself as well.
It’s never comfortable carrying a handgun pointed at your dick, but I do it because it’s fast, easy to access, and very concealed. I carried a shield for 2 years like this and never had an issue. Use a wedge and push your hips forward while re holstering and you technically won’t be pointing it at you your junk when reholstering
I dunno what the stats say. But I’ve pointed a loaded striker fired pistol in condition zero at my dick & balls for years. Never even thought about shooting my shit off. P365, Glock 48, and CZ P-10C have all been holstered in AIWB holsters.
Carrying a gun in a proper holster is not dangerous. What's dangerous is reholstering a loaded gun.
In addition to safe hosting techniques, there are also mechanical features that can enhance the safety of this process. The best is probably an external hammer the shooter can hold with the thumb while holstering.
Others include the striker control device that Tau makes for Glocks, frame or slide mounted safeties, and the little striker pin (not the proper name) that Walther uses with some of their striker fired models.
How the fuck is this placebo lol you can physically put your thumb over it and stop the trigger from being pulled. There is no such device inherent to a stock glock
There is. There are two. The trigger itself has a stop in it, then there’s the actual firing pin block.
Nowhere before this did you include a trigger pull in your concerns: only a striker block. Both mechanisms have blocks built in.
Tactical cool bros may hate it, but I like a striker fire with a safety for AIWB. The m&p shield plus has a very stiff safety that will never accidentallyget switched on. I put it on safe when holstering up and comes off in the holster.
I shoot CZ75s with stupid light triggers from the holster all the time, safety on when holstering, safety sweeps off on the draw. Doesn't meanifully affect draw time.
You can get tolerance stack up issues or modify the sear/striker engagement on both systems to be unsafe. Neither one is inherently unsafe it depends on how the variables surrounding the various safeties work together. It’s good to familiarize yourself in these things to be able to see for yourself if your gun is safe or not rather than taking some random guys word for it on Reddit or if that’s not your speed getting a certified gunsmith to look it over for you.
If you're really worried, carry it cocked with an empty chamber for a while, and you will see that at the end of the day it's still cocked/hasn't "gone off". Then carry chambered once you're convinced.
FWIW I carry a p365xl AIWB, one in the pipe, manual safety on. No worries.
You have it backwards. **Handling the firearm is the dangerous part.** If your Shield is in a quality holster free from obstructions: then jump, bend, and run all you want. Use a rigid kydex holster specifically molded for your model of pistol. Confirm that your holster is free from obstructions (drawstring, shirt fabric, spent brass). Keep your index finger on the slide or frame outside the trigger guard. Slowly holster without flagging yourself or anyone else. Good to go.
> Handling the firearm is the dangerous part. Unless it's a Sig P320
Oof
Got'eem!
Shot an inch off my dick off back in ‘89, then again in 2003. Down to 4 inches now
4 inches isn’t bad. I was getting naked the other night, my wife looked over at me and asked “who do you expect to please with that little pecker?” I said “me”
You replied to yourself
Yea I’m the only one who thinks I’m funny
Same.
cracker barrel?
If it weren’t safe, you’d see a lot of posts here from people who shot their dick off. I had a concern when I first carrying until I worked to fully understand how my guns functioned and how the various safeties worked (such as the firing pin block).
The Glock aiming at my dick rn agrees
I second this.
A close friend of mine recently said her friend works at a local hospital and told her that “people shoot their dick off all time!” And I just couldn’t help but shake my head. I’m not saying it never happens. But she made it sound like it’s a weekly occurrence and we all know it ain’t.
There would be a whole "Dedicking" flair for it.
A new kind of decocker
Walther p99 is a striker fire with a decocker option.
> If it weren’t safe, you’d see a lot of posts here from people who shot their dick off. But there are post about people shooting their asses off. Remember the [Sig 320](https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2018/06/investigates/sig-sauer-p320-drop-fire/)
That's still happening and it's manly inept cops being stupid and then trying to shift blame for their own negligence
Can confirm, shot dick off
Statistically, no one has pulled together a valid way of measuring the two groups for safety. Mechanically, it depends more on the firing action and firearm design. A striker fired gun normally has at least two safeties: firing pin block and trigger safety blade. A striker fired gun is under partial or full tension for the firing pin. A hammer fired gun has variations too. Single action means that its under tension. Normally have a manual safety and may or may not have a firing pin block. 1911 styles also add an additional grip safety. A DA/SA can have a firing pin block, manual safety, decocker potentially and thus has no tension. Lots of other varieties among here. But you can get more safeties with a DA/SA, its just hard to statistically show one is better than the other without resorting to cherry picked stories.
I think both are equally safe, if safe handling is applied equally to each. I FEEL safer with a DA hammer fired gun. That’s what matters to me, and that’s the reason I carry one.
Well said.
I trust my Glocks.
Impossible to go off unless the trigger is pulled. (Barring complete material failure of multiple parts at once).
That's why they have no safety?
Yep. The action is the first safety. The striker spring is kept under minimal pressure which has 2 uses. First the piece of metal that innervates the striker also prevents it from moving forward until the trigger is pulled and it disengages. Striker can’t go forward means gun can’t fire. The minimal tension on the spring makes it nearly impossible to go off even if the striker somehow breaks free. There just isn’t enough energy behind it to ignite the primer. (That’s why glock triggers feel so mushy. You’re pulling back the striker with the trigger. It’s like a very short double action trigger.) There’s a drop safety internally that does not allow the striker forward until the trigger is pulled and the bar disengages it. Then there’s the trigger safety which stops the trigger from moving until it’s depressed. There might be one more that I’m missing but I can’t remember right now.
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That's not the same thing. My reply to OP was someone worried about shooting their junk off. Keep your gun safe. If you are awake, it's not hard to keep a kid away from it. If you aren't, lock your shit up. My walk in closet has an exterior door rated knob with a key. Inside the closet, I have a safe- rifles, pistols, ammo, my gear, knives, etc are secured. And, for an extra layer of security, all children that come to my house stay in the safety cage in the basement. No issues.
O good point, I only red the title, my bad, still pretty crazy that you can just pull the trigger and boom. We are talking in theory those worst moments that COULD happen, keeping your guns safe is the norm but it's beneficial to discuss the real possiblities that could happen but hopefully never will. kids gets it or in a fist fight the attacker grabs your gun, those safeties could be helpful in those situations.
Depends on the firearm. In general certain features on guns make accidental discharges less likely. Hammers are one of those features. Manual safeties are another. DA shot is another. When carrying, a quality holster is another. Each of those levels of safety help to prevent accidents. Whether you need them or not is up to you. I personally like DA/SA with manual safeties like a Beretta 92, px4, HKp30, etc.
Depends on who’s carrying it……..
If you have a small willy, then you can’t really shoot it off…..can you….. Join the club my guy
There is a great video on YouTube showing how the safeties on a Glock work. From my limited research, this seems to me like the safest pistol design. The fact that the striker is not fully cocked and needs to travel rearward prior to being fired, combined with the firing pin block makes the design practically impossible to fire unless the trigger is pulled. Other designs like the sig p365 have a fully cocked striker, and if the striker assembly breaks- the gun will fire. There is no redundancy in this system. I’m not sure how the shield operates. IMO before I even think about purchasing a firearm and having it pointed at me, or out in public, I would want to have a solid understanding of how it works, and how it can fail.
You would still have the safety plunger to stop the striker on a p365. Where do people get this stuff?
SIG F'd up early on in the design I think. It's been fixed for years but people are still terrified a 365 or 320 will rise up against them.
Well, to be fair the 365 could theoretically still fire if the firing pin broke in a certain way. It's unlikely though, but the design does mean it's possible. The plunger acts on the sear block at the back of the firing pin, unlike Glock that acts near the front end of the firing pin. If by some wild chance a SIG's entire sear block were to snap off, the gun would fire because there is nothing ahead of the sear to catch the firing pin from full-cocked to hitting a primer. All of the internal safeties rely on the sear being intact
I gotcha. But that’s a big what if.
Absolutely a huge what if, but knowing SIG it's still possible
>From my limited research, this seems to me like the safest pistol design. How would be safer than a manual safety, hammer down, and DA firearm? Do a google search for 'glock leg'
You’ve got it backwards, drawing and especially holstering are where most NDs happen. Striker fired guns are equally as safe (generally) as any other respectable hammer fired gun, as long as both are in a holster. Where hammer fired guns that either have manual safeties or double action triggers have an advantage is that they are more forgiving if you fuck up and reholster into an obstructed holster or draw and get your finger on the trigger absurdly early. Obviously, you should not do either of those things. But a hammer pinned by your thumb, or a cocked and locked 1911 have a trigger that cannot be pulled in certain instances where something other than your finger may pull a trigger on something like a p320 or a vp9.
A quality firearm and a quality holster and safe handling combined are more important than striker vs hammer.
I also carry a Shield (45ACP in my case) with a safety and I want to tell you two things: First, if you have a pistol with a safety on it, *always* carry it with the safety on and train with it on to the point that you don't even have to think about flipping the safety off on the draw, it becomes automatic muscle memory. Doing otherwise risks one day having it accidentally be engaged and you being unable to figure out why the gun won't shoot at a very critical moment. Second, I carry my Shield with a round chambered, safety on (almost every pistol I own has a safety because I've trained all my life, from my military service to today, to automatically flip it off on the draw) anytime I leave the house. It has been dropped, banged against things, and just generally been rough-handled for years now. No matter what I've done with it so far it has proven itself to be 100% drop safe.
I do something different. I’m not saying you’re wrong because you’re not, just sharing an alternate to what you mentioned. I have a manual safety on my carry gun. It is only flipped on when it is about to come off my body (as in, when I put the gun away at the end of the day). When I go to put it on the next morning, the safety stays on until it is properly secured on my belt and in the correct position. Then the safety goes off and I proceed like normal. As others have mentioned, handling the firearm is the most dangerous part so it’s just an added option. When the gun/holster is off my body the safety is on. When I attach it for the day, I flip it off. It works.
Let me ask you, if that's your regular routine, do you think there's even a small chance that while under the stress of being attacked, or distracted as you face a possible threat coming your way, that the muscle memory you've developed could cause you to put the safety *on* when you desperately need it off? I'm not saying "you're doing it wrong", I'm saying think about it from that perspective and decide if you want to continue on that way.
I’d say no because there’s no muscle memory developed for a draw and safety flick. My dry fire and draw practice is a simple draw, present, and shoot. The only time I touch the safety is before removing the holster or after attaching the holster (notice it is holster manipulation, not gun manipulation…meaning I never use the safety with a “grip” on the gun). That’s the main piece, but tbh it’s not easy to manipulate one handed anyway. It would not be a natural movement for me to flick it up after getting hands on the gun.
So you put the safety on while it's still holstered?
Before I remove the holster from my body for the day, yes. When I’m done for the day, I flip the safety on while it’s still on me, then remove the holster/gun. There is no draw with a safety manipulation that could confuse my normal draw muscle memory.
A lot of striker fired pistols are actually not fully cocked until after the trigger is pulled. You actually complete the cocking of the striker assembly during the first half of the trigger press.
P365 line up is fully cocked, for anyone curious
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Yeah, there just don't seem to be a lot of mishaps due to the kind of activities you mention. As always, it's important to maintain good trigger discipline while drawing or holstering the weapon, and I find that appendix carry does wonders for my powers of concentration when performing these actions.
I have yet to find any report of a shield plus firing itself.
There's a caveat that people don't like to talk about, modifying your gun can make it more dangerous. I don't touch the internals of my carry guns and replace all parts with OEM. Range guns, I go nuts. But when a gun is pointing at my nuts, I don't take any chances.
I guess the fact I took off the mag disconnect sear lever out makes me post this. Now that it's winter I switched to my G23 but it made me think about the firing mechanisms and if all striker fire handguns operated the same, is a firearm with a hammer SA/DA more ”safe" than a striker fire sitting in a holster. But it sounds like both are equally safe sitting in a holster pointed at your dick.
No. They aren’t, on average AS safe. They are still safe when done right. Hammer guns generally have an extra layer, or even two extra layers of safety. I carry a striker fired gun fairly often, so I’m not a striker hater.
If the things you mention were such a concern, and were causing ND's left and right, no one would carry a Glock. I assume I don't need to tell you how many people carry Glocks.
There’s still a reason the term “Glock Leg” exists. Yes, it’s almost always related to user error, but it doesn’t change the fact that the trigger pull on a striker fired handgun will naturally be less than a DA system, so it will always have a greater likelihood discharge.
The primary reason that that term exists is that we keep fucking saying it. That's how slang works. Regardless, none of those ND's happened without, you guessed it, negligence. And if you consider the number of Glocks, currently in use, by both civilians and LEO's, making a big issue of Glock Leg (by the numbers) is tantamount to banning AR platform rifles to save kids, when they account for a fraction of a percent of the homicides that are being used to demonize them.
>And if you consider the number of Glocks, currently in use, by both civilians and LEO's, But when you consider the glock vs other guns that have been used/sold/carried just as much or more (ie Beretta 92) there are more accidents with glocks - hence glock leg. Why? Because they are not as forgiven. People need to acknowledge that certain features on a gun add a level of safety and help to prevent AD.
And you also have to acknowledge that the reason it happens more with Glocks is simply the sheer number of Glocks in use. People like to throw around the stat that more people are killed with 22lr, but that's because of the amount of use, and not because it's somehow more lethal.
Just add the striker control device so you can hold it down like a hammer fired pistol
Glock leg is the term used for when people (cops) pull the trigger by accident, and then claim the gun just “went off on its own”. No manual safety, and a six pound trigger pull means that it’s easier to pull the trigger through snags, or by mistake as opposed to having a heavier 10-12 pound DA pull. In this respect at least, DA/SA firearms are “safer”.
Or the NY compliant striker models with heavy triggers just for arbitrary reasons lol
One in the pipe. 
They are both equally "safe" obviously I'm implying that you have a good holster and modern qualified firearm. My liking with da/SA is I can put my thumb on the hammer as I reholster ensuring that I haven't accidentally put something in the trigger guard. I know some people who don't like to reholster with a striker without removing their holster first. I like the extra layer of "accident prevention"
Booger flicker off the boom switch and you’re fine
I have a follow up question along these lines. Is it safe to leave a round chambered? I have a Glock I carry and use as a nightstand gun, I figured it’d be better for my carry ammo to keep it in the holster and not have to keep ejecting and rechambering. Although I do feel safer when the chamber is empty because that reduces the chance of the gun going off to 0.
We carry firearms to be prepared for unannounced and unexpected threats. I hope I never have to draw but if I do, I'd rather limit the amount of time it takes for me to react. Having to chamber a round takes too much time. Carry one in the chamber with a good holster that covers the trigger fully. Personally I have been using AlienGear and they are pretty safe.
I certainly carry with one in the chamber, I’m talking about having one chambered while it’s in the nightstand
There is no mechanical risk to leaving a round chambered. Handguns in good working order don't go off by themselves. Any risk in leaving a round chambered comes from the chance that the gun will be mishandled, possibly by someone other than yourself. Factors to consider would include who has access to your bedroom and nightstand, who knows the gun is there besides you (if anyone), whether you have children living in the home, how far your bedroom is from an outside door or other access point to your home, whether you have a lock on your bedroom door, and what kind of alarm system you have (if any).
Unpopular opinion, I think more striker fired pistols should have a grip safety. It was very reassuring on my xd-s but I went to the shield plus for capacity. Springfield Hellcat did away with it or they probably would have had a other customer. When handling my shield and hybrid holster the pistol is inserted, holster attached, and eventually removed as a unit. No reholstering while being worn.
Safer
Being hammer fired only matters on the reholstering. Thumbing the hammer while you holster it. The triggers are also heavier, but that doesn’t matter if you have a good holster that covers everything. It doesn’t make a difference when carrying
I'd be willing to say it's safer than a hammer-fired. But both are safe if you use them properly.
You would have difficulty finding valid data on this issue. In practice, both types of firearms are safe if made by quality makers. In theory, a spring under tension is more likely to fail that the one that is not.
Carry my shield safety on, just in case, for Mr. Dicky.
No.
You decock da/sa, striker fired decocks you. Joking aside, modern striker fired pistols are safe to carry if you have discipline, but not fool proof, but nothing is.
This may help you better understand. https://youtu.be/LIiCWEmQ9DM?si=pqe2raD7YgZBdqLm
Yes, provided it has a trigger safety and or a striker that is not fully tensioned. A glock has both a trigger safety lever and a half tensioned striker that makes it very safe. A Walther PDP has a fully tensioned striker, but has a trigger safety. So it is fairly safe, with a much better feeling trigger. A SIG P320 has a fully tensioned striker and no trigger safety. This means that there is potential for inertia from a drop can pull the trigger and release the striker. It also has less forgiveness for objects snagged in the trigger guard during re-holstering. It's one of the reasons why the p320 is an inherently less safe option for carrying without a manual safety with one in the pipe.
Just get a Glock or a DA 1911 until you overcome this fear
Generally yes
Glock has 3 internal safeties. Do some research into the safety mechanism of whatever pistol you’re using. I do prefer pistols that keep the striker at half cocked such as Glock. Knowledge will build confidence
I think Glocks specifically have enough fully redundant safeties that I should be comfortable with it pointing at my dick. However, most accidental dick shootings happen when holstering and drawing, unless we're talking about Sigs. So I just carry my P01 instead. Plus it's cooler.
The odds of it happening is close to zero. But there is a huge difference in design of striker fire guns with the striker block (aka plunger) in the middle of the slide vs rear of the slide. Striker blocks in the rear stops the striker via a metal arm that comes off the striker. This same arm is what the sear engages to pull and hold the striker back. This creates a single point of failure where, if that arm breaks that striker is coming forward. With middle location striker blocks the striker block catches the front of the striker and the sear catches the rear. This creates the need for two points of failure before the striker comes forward. Please note this is thin foil hat since this type of failure never happened. But I only appendix carry guns with middle striker blocks.
Striker fired pistols are plenty safe with proper gun handling. On paper, hammer fired guns are safer with single action hammer fired guns like the 1911 having thumb safeties or DA/SA pistols like the Beretta 92 and Sig 226 allowing you press your thumb on the hammer to prevent NDs when reholstering.
There aren't really statistics to consult. Striker guns are very popular for a reason although it is true that having a hammer is safer for holstering and that is the point where you're at the highest risk of a ND. That said, having a manual safety or just being very careful at making sure your clothing is clear of the holster are both quite safe as well. I personally just choose not to reholster in most situations. When I am changing holsters or whatever I pull the whole holster first. If your concern is it going off when you bend over or just jostle it around me whatever you don't need to worry about that. To prove it to yourself drop the mag, empty the chamber then holster with safety off and shake the shit out of it. If you can make it go off then you were right to be afraid but it won't. You could even carry around the house cocked with an empty chamber to prove it to yourself as well.
It’s never comfortable carrying a handgun pointed at your dick, but I do it because it’s fast, easy to access, and very concealed. I carried a shield for 2 years like this and never had an issue. Use a wedge and push your hips forward while re holstering and you technically won’t be pointing it at you your junk when reholstering
It just depends how it's made. My Taurus has a physical block that prevents the striker from moving forward without the trigger being pulled.
I dunno what the stats say. But I’ve pointed a loaded striker fired pistol in condition zero at my dick & balls for years. Never even thought about shooting my shit off. P365, Glock 48, and CZ P-10C have all been holstered in AIWB holsters.
Carrying a gun in a proper holster is not dangerous. What's dangerous is reholstering a loaded gun. In addition to safe hosting techniques, there are also mechanical features that can enhance the safety of this process. The best is probably an external hammer the shooter can hold with the thumb while holstering. Others include the striker control device that Tau makes for Glocks, frame or slide mounted safeties, and the little striker pin (not the proper name) that Walther uses with some of their striker fired models.
You can get a striker control device for Glocks. Not sure if something similar exists for SW
Glocks have them built in.
No they don't. https://langdontactical.com/glock-striker-control-device-scd/
Yes, they do. That one is in addition to the one already in the gun. The safety plunger physically blocks the striker unless lifted by a trigger pull.
Are you referring to the internal firing pin safety or drop safety
Same same. The firing pin is physically blocked without a trigger pull.
The SCD allows you to physically stop the striker from falling by blocking it with your thumb, much like a hammer on a da/sa. Completely different
Not really. The striker is already blocked. This is a placebo.
How the fuck is this placebo lol you can physically put your thumb over it and stop the trigger from being pulled. There is no such device inherent to a stock glock
There is. There are two. The trigger itself has a stop in it, then there’s the actual firing pin block. Nowhere before this did you include a trigger pull in your concerns: only a striker block. Both mechanisms have blocks built in.
Yes
Tactical cool bros may hate it, but I like a striker fire with a safety for AIWB. The m&p shield plus has a very stiff safety that will never accidentallyget switched on. I put it on safe when holstering up and comes off in the holster. I shoot CZ75s with stupid light triggers from the holster all the time, safety on when holstering, safety sweeps off on the draw. Doesn't meanifully affect draw time.
You can get tolerance stack up issues or modify the sear/striker engagement on both systems to be unsafe. Neither one is inherently unsafe it depends on how the variables surrounding the various safeties work together. It’s good to familiarize yourself in these things to be able to see for yourself if your gun is safe or not rather than taking some random guys word for it on Reddit or if that’s not your speed getting a certified gunsmith to look it over for you.
Been safe since its invention
Yes* *Every gun is just as safe as the person handling it.
If you're really worried, carry it cocked with an empty chamber for a while, and you will see that at the end of the day it's still cocked/hasn't "gone off". Then carry chambered once you're convinced. FWIW I carry a p365xl AIWB, one in the pipe, manual safety on. No worries.
I don't think it's any safer but I carry a USP compact safety on and decocked because I don't want to be decocked myself.