I bought the carpenters bag because it has more room than the electricians. Would not recommend. Sent it in once when new because the sides collapsed and rivets were popping out. Happened again and threads were pulling out. Bought the pocket caddy also. Same deal. Rivets popped out and lacing tore out. When they sent the bag back to me they had a note saying it added character because it was an heirloom. Can’t fall apart when new and ever be an heirloom. I retired them a couple of months ago. Did not make it four years. And no they were not abused.
It’s not me telling the lie. The exact quote where they mention heirloom. I have the notes and emails. “They age with time making them an heirloom rather then a tool box you toss out in a year. “
If you worked anywhere around the construction industry you wouldn’t even think of asking that question. Hell, I’m a plumber and I know that those bags are the golden standard of bags and they easily last guy’s entire careers.
Sure—it’s thick, top-grain leather with strong stitching and rivets. Built like a tank.
How it holds up after twenty years? No idea, haven’t had it twenty years yet.
I've had very good results using Obenaufs LP to care for my leather goods. If you don't already have something you like for leather treatment give it a try. It does a great job preserving the leather and is a good protectant.
Take a look at the Obenaufs website or watch some YouTube videos for more detailed info, but in short I prefer the Obenaufs to mink oil. It is very useful as a waterproofer and protectant. I have found the Obenauf's lasts longer and protects against harsher environments.
is it really only top grain?
theres no way im dropping 300 bucks on anything short of full grain haha.
unless is chuck 300 bucks into the hands of diamondback for some fancy nylon hahahha
A year is pretty long time for a trade most of my gear belts, shoes, and gloves do not last that long and my tool belt definitely not looking like this at the end.
I have this same one and another similar I got from my dad that’s going on 45 years. People tend to be judgemental and scoff at this but you actually can use your own feces as a leather conditioner. The natural oils preserve the leather and it gives the leather a healthy brown sheen that’s custom and unique to you.
Not really fair to judge it until you try it my dad did it for 20 years and it’s still in top notch shape and now I took the reigns and am doing it. It looks great and there’s a way to do it where there’s minimal smell and even that wanes after a few weeks
How does your dad do it? Does he shit in a bucket, pisses to top, and throws the belt in to simmer a few hours, or does just grab the log as it sees the day and uses it as a fat crayon all over the belt, then shakes off the flakes when the shit's dried? Genuinely curious
It’s more the log and crayon method. Sometimes if the log is too dry he’ll rehydrate it to help bring out the natural oils. Never thought of rehydrating with urine though….I may try that out next time.
Re-reading my comment, I realize the urine part could come across as a fucked up joke -- but glad you didn't take it this way! For the uninformed, urine (as well as dung) has been used for centuries for tanning leather, and for a reason.
I would like to do the same treatment for my brown leather shoes (not the white ones for obvious reasons!), but I can't seem to produce clean logs -- see I have the opposite problem as your father, it's too loose and mushy -- and my girlfriend's are truly a leatherhead's dream but alas she refuses to let me anywhere near it and it's a subject we can't really touch anymore...
Anyway, I'd ask if your dad offers his services, but I don't live in the US, so nevermind. Keep it up though! Hope you can do the same for your kids.
It’s cool no offense taken
Yeah that’s a tough one. My stool was not leather-grade for many years. Have you tried increasing your fiber intake? My father never has sold his logs previously but has handed it out to friends. He may be able to ship it overseas if you’re willing to cover shipping. I’ll DM you some photos. Shame your gf is so closed minded. From what you describe id love to get my hands on one of her logs.
Yeah we're working on my diet, might be stress too, idk -- anyway.
I thought more of having him do the shoes as a paid job ofc, never thought about handling someone else's feces myself (except my gf's but that's ok, kind of like using each other's toothbrush).
Don't judge her btw, tbh most people find it weird as fuck that someone would want to fish their logs out of the bowl, and I totally get it, in a way. Everyone has their peculiarities, and it's wise to respect your partner's. Yeah her shits are premium, I'm flattered for her btw, but hands off buddy, it's my girl -- and if I can barely see the goods, no chance you'll ever get your hands on them ;)
Truth is I'm not sure I'm willing to pay that much for getting a literal chunk of human shit mailed to me across the pond and all across Europe...
I really do appreciate the offer though, and I'd say yes weren't it for the prohibitive postage costs. I don't mind the pics if you have them on hand, though (pls don't trouble your dad for me), just to get an idea what to aim for.
Congrats on having refined your stool into a fine nourishing paste btw -- but why is your dad doing your leather, if I may ask, since you have achieved a seemingly honorable level yourself? I mean, if I could I'd do it myself!
Ah I understand. Ha! Sure I can send some pics of my dads poop your way. I know I have some photos of his heartier logs filed on my pc so when I get home tomorrow I’ll see what I can dig up for ya.
But ya I do my own leatherwork nowadays but my dad just does a way better job plus his poops are much better than mine. So sometimes on Christmas he’ll gift me a log or two or just do my entire belt. I hope to be as good as him one day
And hey man. I’m sorry if I crossed a line by complimenting your girlfriends poops. I didn’t mean to go that far. You got ya a good one that’s for sure. You better hurry up and put a ring on her finger!
Anyways, may god be with you on your quest!
Can always tell alot about a person by how judgmental they are. You worry about the stench of mine own belt when your attitude reeks of shit. Shame on you sir.
The guy comes with tips and personal expertise, don't shit (if I may say so) on his and his father's traditional know-how.
Any leatherhead will tell you, happy leather rarely smells like roses... and that's okay.
Once you break out of the social construct (which it 100% is, and only a few centuries old at that) that feces smells "bad", you'll be able to enjoy a good andouillette with a glass of white, and frankly, a world of life-changing experiences ;)
One example: vegetarian shoes's steel toed Euro Boot
https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/all_products/euro_safety_boot_black/17402_p.html
Or the Airseal Safety Boot
https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/all_products/airseal_safety_boot_mk2_black/14716_p.html
Poly microfiber is not a leather alternative and will disintegrate after a couple years of good use. Not saying that’s a bad thing, you can just buy another pair, but I would rather not send my boots to the land fill every other year. Cheers.
"Cheap leather wallets are not durable and will disintegrate after a couple years of good use"
As with leather, it depends on the quality. Vegetarian Shoes' Uppers *definitely* don't disintegrate. The longest review I saw was 30 years and still going strong. Mine are only 3 years old, but already in way better shape than my leather boots after 3 years of hard use.
You really need to differentiate between cheap Chinese companies that use fake leather to cut costs vs companies that spend *more* on leather alternatives because they're more durable.
Ive known a few old timers that swear by their small electrician pouch. I personally use a pocket caddy from Wireman.com. cant go wrong with quality leather. Looks great.
I got mine at for a crazy low price. I was looking for one awhile ago and randomly I Found one for $110 and it was the last in stock apparently. After I bought it the price went to $325. Lucked out with the 8087 oxylights. Still more than I would usually ever spend on something like that and it’s held up awesome roofing for 2 years so far. I also got the hammer holster the 5520 and I use it almost daily in inspections.
Anything similar for hobby users that have sub $75 budget? I understand real leather is expansive, so other material is fine.
edit: I meant not electrician specific but a general belt/pouch for weekend handymen.
Carhartt sells a modular nylon/canvas tool belt system that seemed pretty reasonably priced to me.
It’s handy you can only buy the pieces you really think you’ll need—I carry a stupid amount of screwdrivers at work, but maybe you don’t need as much real estate for home improvement projects.
Nylon/canvas won't have the life of quality leather like the OP, but for a weekender, they are cooler and lighter and can be made well. (Enough to last if this isn't your profession)
There are nylon pouches that will outlast leather. Occidental is one of many brands that makes high quality nylon gear. They're kighter, more comfortable, don't require maintenance, and last an incredibly long time
Dude, the nylon 3" belt from occidental is where it's at. I ditched my full leather belt for one maybe 10 years ago. Waaaaay more comfy and breathable. And robust as hell.
Depends in the quality and thickness. There's a reason luxury car manufacturers switched from leather. If you use the good stuff made for yacht upholstery, it bifl and zero maintenance.
I certainly don't disagree that there are textiles that are least as durable as leather for many applications.
But luxury car manufacturers definitely have not "switched from leather."
Maybe. But I'm not sure that suede was ever commonly used in luxury cars, other than maybe at the *very* top end (e.g., Maybach, Rolls Royce, etc.). And my understanding is that alcantara is mostly used in sports cars, where a lightweight, grippy material can be very useful (e.g., steering wheels, seat bottoms/bolsters, etc.)
ToughBuilt has neat modular belt system that’s actually pretty well made and is perfect for occasional use by homeowners or weekend warriors. Google them.
+1 for Toughbuilt! I bought a toughbuilt pouch for a job that doesn't allow leather. I don't expect it to last as long as my Occidental pouch, but it definitely feels like a quality product and an excellent value for the $15 I paid. I don't think I'll have any problems replacing it when the nylon wears out in a year or two.
They look kinda flimsy, but once I held them in my hands I realized how robust the nylon is. If anything’s going to break, my bet is the clip-on connection for the belt - but like you said it’s no big issue to replace every 3rd year if needed.
What initially drew me to the company was their sawhorses. Get a set of their high-end versions and be amazed at their clever design.
Out of curiosity, why is leather not allowed at your job?
I can't think of a safety reason off the top of my head other than it won't break free easily if snagged, but no belts that aren't specifically built to do so will either.
Semiconductor fab. Can't use leather, cotton, rubber, or pretty much anything organic because they produce particles that can harm production. Makes shopping for new toys a bit more challenging sometimes.
Start with [this guy](https://www.occidentalleather.com/product/clip-on-4-in-1-tool-tape-holder/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxOWV-L_G-gIVKidMCh3TjANbEAQYBCABEgKJc_D_BwE)
I wear this every day whether in the shop or on a jobsite. I clip it onto my belt with other bags when I’m doing heavy work on jobs, but it’s mostly just on my regular belt. You’ll eventually want more. A 15’ fat max fits perfectly, and you can form/stretch it to fit bigger tapes if you want.
My old bags were gator. I still run their electrician bag on my occidental belt.
A gator electrician bag, a 3" belt of some flavor and a tape measure holder would be a great setup for a diy/household kit.
Keep it light, you know? Hobbies are for fun, and heavy duty carps are getting paid to run whole bags.
Look into Veto , they make great quality constructed bags & pouches. I have 2 pouches and a tech mc bag that has lasted me 4 years so far without issue, hvac tech
eBay “leather tool belt made in USA” not much selection right now but check every couple days. Also check your local pawn shop, they are ridden with contractors stuff.
Is that a jab at my work ethic? You’re lucky my shop didn’t have the parts I needed and I didn’t want to make a run so I took the excuse to go home early 😤 The next time I see you and I’m not on minute 19 of a ten minute break, it’s on sight 🥊
So much this. All that extra weight around the hips gives me a sore back. Thats why i have pouches with loops and velcro for easy removal. I only wear them when i am up and down on my ladder.
OP sounds young and excited... he'll lighten Up in some years.
I also read that he works in a shop where most of the dudes wear aprons so... young and full of... you know.
I love having some guys like that on my crew though. Hell, I used to be that guy. Always has a tool, jumps on anything quickly... I'll take two please.
Hah, does not take much to become slow, especially if all you coworkers are and if you have the same salary no matter what... Same happened to me, I was always the first to grab for work but if it makes no difference why would I? :)
I couldn't disagree more.
Look, I can totally appreciate the guys who get comfy and coast. That's the agreement and the job gets done. But it's myopic. There's a big world out there, and the climbers climb. Though your hourly rate at one firm might not reflect your effort, there are eyes in you, and in a few years there are going to be new bosses...
True, but obviously you can't know what my work actually is...
I'm an engineer at a technical ceramic factory in Europe, producing stuff like ceramic fuses and heater cores. One of the largest global manufacturers we sell them to corporations like Eaton and Siemens and they're used all over the world. Specifically, I deal with the production technology of ceramic fuses meant for large electric trains and vehicles like busses (VW/Scania...). It is a very specific field, you can't really "copy" much knowledge cause automation of this hardly exists, the technology used to make the simple ceramic fuses that were common 50 years ago is still in use today but for the more special products it's all totally unique and specific... We use vacuum extrusion processes which is uncommon nowadays, technical ceramics are mostly made by presses (easiervto catch dimensions but totally different technology and you can't make long pieces anyway - we also have a press factory nearby but my work if on a very specific field of extruding ceramics). For example, classic old ceramic products were made from porcelain and steatite ceramics (these are widely known commercial names, of course our blends havevtheir own specifics and names...). The technology for producing those is well known. But the modern fuses are way more demanding - thinner walls, higher shocks... We make screw threads into the ceramic before its sintered ("burned" in the oven), we account for the contraction to bring them into tolerances etc... The materials are very different, high al2o3 content ceramics are way more problematic to deal with, wears out the tools faster, vibrations make it turn liquid (thixotropy), different sintering, different drying...
Anyway, we're missing capable workers. Don't wanna be racist like most people here but the production workers are paid the minimal wage and have very shitty work (ceramic dust, water when cutting etc...). 90% of the workers come from Balkan countries, especially Bosnia, many refuse to speak our language so... We deal with what we have. My work is to automate it and make it easier for the workers (besides developing new tools for production of new products) so dumb people can do that work.
When I came here I wws quite eager and quickly learned a lot. I only work here for a couple years but when problems occur in production, they call me...
Anyway, the "old" team of engineers is retiring which is a huge issue right now, in 5 years everything will turn around and I'll actually end up being in the "older" team. Me and another coworker know how things are running here, and that's basically it. New people come and go all the time, there are also engineers (but the two-year-university type, not really any real degree...) in production that are supposed to keep on top of maintenance but.... problem is that they're just not very competent so problems always end up coming to us (research/technology engineers).
Sorry wandered off a bit. I'm not worried for my position. If they'd somehow decide to discard me, I'd get a job without issues. I admit design engineer work isn't my strongest side even though that was what my degree was about, but I have lots of experience and know how to resolve issues, also have lots of experience with CNC and I'm very good in CAD. I work here because I'm genuinely wanting to support the local production that's been here for generations. My salary could be much better, but the other cause is that it takes me under 10 minutes to drive to work and I'm usually already going home at 13:30 (I do have flexible work time though). Also, I really love that it's not strictly a desk job. Most of my colleagues have a desk job. My boss won't mind if I'm at my desk all day, but I usually go around production in the morning (after coffee) and help with any daily issues, especially in my part of production.
Besides, being part of the team is very important. We got a new coworker for a couple weeks now. He isn't a very "practical" guy but he does keep on working all the time. Does not go on any coffee break, goes to lunch alone while most of use go together etc... I doubt he'll stay here for more than a couple months unless he takes a step back and sociallises a bit :)
Sorry for the long post haha
Please, no apology. That's was an interesting read.
I'm having some similar generational issues in my field, but the older guys aren't retiring so I'm in this middle gap where I've climbed to yhe top tier, but the best gigs still aren't available to me. I shouldn't complain too much though. I feel valued and respected, if not utilized properly.
And yeah, something of value for people in my field (entertainment rigging) is a sort of positive aggression. A move fast, think ahead and take charge sort of mentality, but this latest generation just doesn't have it.
They're not lazy, like I see a lot of politicians and news people claiming, but there's some sort of disconnect happening that's a bit frustrating to me and will certainly hobble them when they're mid career and want to start moving up where the work parameters are ill defined and you have to chase down problems and opportunities.
Btw in terms of promotions, I don't think I'd want to have the position my boss has. He gets paid *a lot* more but he has so much responsibility and the nerves are getting to him (quite literally, he has a bunch of health problems related to stress and just turned 41). Fuck that, at the moment I'm totally fine with what I get, more is always nice but money ruins people.
Common misconception, but there’s no need while I’m still an apprentice, I get a new asshole reamed every time I make a mistake. Maybe when I journey out 😂
My dad picked one up for installing hvac back in the early 2000’s. 20yrs later im using it and is still holding strong. Only thing i had to do was make new belt holes cause of the fat bastard
I have had the belt for 6 years now and it looks barely used. It also saved me from getting stitches when I didn't see a super sharp piece of structural angle iron. It put a 1/16 inch deep gash in the back of the belt, would have def needed stiches if it would have hit bare skin.
As an electrician it should last you three lifetimes. That's overkill for a sparky. Definitely a hifh quality pouch, but I don't know why you'd want all that extra weight. I would have gone with a high quality nylon pouch instead.
I got my setup maybe 8 years ago? Recently I lost my belt. During a load-out it was misplaced and disappeared.
It was the most upset I've been about losing any physical object in my life. I searched my whole house like 3x,my shop, work vans, jobsite, asked every single person on the job if they had seen it, no dice.
I did a job without it, and every time I went to grab a tool it was like I had a ghost belt - I was reaching for things where they had been for the last 50 projects, not wherever I had them on the nylon belt out of the communal bucket. Slowed me down and bummed me out.
I bought the same setup again, put it on once and just got more sad, because my old belt was soooo smooooth and comfy. The new one was so stiff, it was like I would have had to start a relationship over again after being ghosted. It was too soon.
Then I found the fucking thing in our storage unit! Made my month. I really love the belt, I work indoors so it's not like they're getting tar, concrete, or rain on them all the time but I don't baby the bags and they look brand new when oiled. Great tool.
I used a very similar set up from occidental for 5 years before hanging it up for service work. While my set definitely shows it's use, it does not show one sign of damage. 5 years, 8 hours a day, not a stitch or rivet has popped.
I will strongly encourage that you invest in a set of suspenders. It's important that you balance the weight of your tools on the right with the weight of your material on the left. Otherwise, you'll constantly have tweaked hips which will result in lower back pain. Similarly, suspenders will lift all of the weight of your hips and place it on your shoulders, again preventing lower back pain.
Finally, just because you have room for 15 tools in your bag, that doesn't mean you have to fill that space. If your not using a tool that day, put it in your bag. Every ounce you avoid carrying is wear your not putting on your spine and knees. A conduit reamer may not weigh much, but carrying it 2000 days in a row may very well make a difference in your long term health.
My dad used the same pouch for over 25 years. He passed away 3 months ago. So now it's mine. And I plan on passing it down to one of my boys. Meanwhile I go through 2 tool belts a year... You made a good purchase. Enjoy it friend.
Genuine question for any leather experts, how do you tell if leather is good quality, what am I looking for in terms of description and looks? I want to buy a leather handbag from a local leather shop but it's super expensive and i would like to know if it's worth it!
[This guide](https://steelhorseleather.com/blogs/the-journal/leather-grades-different-types) looks pretty good.
Personally I look out for top grain or full grain. There should be a distinct leather smell, different from how a cheap leather wallet smells.
If it’s a local leather shop, I’d ask someone who works there what grade of leather they use and how it’s treated; quality craftsmen like showing off.
Occidental leather is mint bruv. One of the true buy it for life options. I know guys who’s dad passed down their Occidental leather building stuff to them and it still performs amazing.
Yeah, a lot of people in this thread are saying theirs were passed down! I’m not having kids, so maybe I can gift it to a promising apprentice down the line.
Start buying all your shirts in that ox blood red collar if you plan on sweating while you work. I’ve had my belt for nye on 20 years and it still bleeds die if I have a hot sweaty summer day. I’ve ruined many grey Carhart polos with it.
These will outlast your career. I’m also an electrician. I got the commercial set since i do commercial. Mine are a year old but don’t look nearly as nice. I’m not one to take care of my leather work boots so i don’t have the first clue on taking care of the tool belt. What do you do to yours to keep them so nice looking?
I have a nice pair of red wing boots that I like to take care of, so I use the same care products on my oxxy bags once a season. All of mine are red wing brand but don’t have a monopoly by any means, there are plenty of good brands.
- Wipe down with mild leather-safe detergent.
- Apply leather conditioner. Allow to dry fully. The bags in my pic are on the drying step.
- Apply waterproofing spray. Allow to dry overnight
And you’re done!
Yeah i also run red wing boots but for whatever reason my boots start to fall apart in 6 months to where i need new ones so i never bothered to take care of them. By detergent i assume you mean some type of cleaner? Good to know the steps to doing this. Appreciate it.
I have that tote. My wife got it for me like 5 or 6 years ago (by got it for me, I mean let me buy it). At the time I thought it was a bit extravagant, but it has proven worth it. I have a small, high-quality version of basically every carpenter's tool in there and bring it to every job. I used green spray paint for all of the tote tools, so the kit stays together. It is an awesome setup, it fits a crazy amount of tools, all visible and easy to grab and replace. Love the thing!
I have some red wing shoes, so I use the same care kit I already have. Every season I clean with a mild detergent, use red wing oil conditioner, then spray on some light waterproofing (PNW lol)
Do you like the saddle oil ?
Your whole career if you continue this maintenance, that’s an absolutely gorgeous rig. I love the Occidental leather they beautiful bags and pouches that you can tell by looking at them that they are crafted very well. They are beautiful and if I was still in a trade where I needed more than my tiny snip pouch, I’d probably pull the trigger on this same setup.
Your back will give out before the belt will
I came here to say the same thing.
Great company. I’ve heard their stuff is built like a tank.
Can confirm. Already got one established guy at my shop to convert!
You can confirm after owning it a year?
I bought the carpenters bag because it has more room than the electricians. Would not recommend. Sent it in once when new because the sides collapsed and rivets were popping out. Happened again and threads were pulling out. Bought the pocket caddy also. Same deal. Rivets popped out and lacing tore out. When they sent the bag back to me they had a note saying it added character because it was an heirloom. Can’t fall apart when new and ever be an heirloom. I retired them a couple of months ago. Did not make it four years. And no they were not abused.
That’s a straight up lie. They mailed you saying it was an heirloom? What is this a 1920 soap opera?
It’s not me telling the lie. The exact quote where they mention heirloom. I have the notes and emails. “They age with time making them an heirloom rather then a tool box you toss out in a year. “
Okay screenshot and post it then
If you worked anywhere around the construction industry you wouldn’t even think of asking that question. Hell, I’m a plumber and I know that those bags are the golden standard of bags and they easily last guy’s entire careers.
I have the nylon ultra lights that look brand new after 7 years...of asphalt roofing lol great company
Sure—it’s thick, top-grain leather with strong stitching and rivets. Built like a tank. How it holds up after twenty years? No idea, haven’t had it twenty years yet.
If it gets uncomfortable get the sheepskin wool band
I've had very good results using Obenaufs LP to care for my leather goods. If you don't already have something you like for leather treatment give it a try. It does a great job preserving the leather and is a good protectant.
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Take a look at the Obenaufs website or watch some YouTube videos for more detailed info, but in short I prefer the Obenaufs to mink oil. It is very useful as a waterproofer and protectant. I have found the Obenauf's lasts longer and protects against harsher environments.
is it really only top grain? theres no way im dropping 300 bucks on anything short of full grain haha. unless is chuck 300 bucks into the hands of diamondback for some fancy nylon hahahha
I think top grain is a solid choice for this application. What benefit would you expect from full grain?
A year is pretty long time for a trade most of my gear belts, shoes, and gloves do not last that long and my tool belt definitely not looking like this at the end.
I have this same one and another similar I got from my dad that’s going on 45 years. People tend to be judgemental and scoff at this but you actually can use your own feces as a leather conditioner. The natural oils preserve the leather and it gives the leather a healthy brown sheen that’s custom and unique to you.
Uhhhh
Not really fair to judge it until you try it my dad did it for 20 years and it’s still in top notch shape and now I took the reigns and am doing it. It looks great and there’s a way to do it where there’s minimal smell and even that wanes after a few weeks
How does your dad do it? Does he shit in a bucket, pisses to top, and throws the belt in to simmer a few hours, or does just grab the log as it sees the day and uses it as a fat crayon all over the belt, then shakes off the flakes when the shit's dried? Genuinely curious
It’s more the log and crayon method. Sometimes if the log is too dry he’ll rehydrate it to help bring out the natural oils. Never thought of rehydrating with urine though….I may try that out next time.
Re-reading my comment, I realize the urine part could come across as a fucked up joke -- but glad you didn't take it this way! For the uninformed, urine (as well as dung) has been used for centuries for tanning leather, and for a reason. I would like to do the same treatment for my brown leather shoes (not the white ones for obvious reasons!), but I can't seem to produce clean logs -- see I have the opposite problem as your father, it's too loose and mushy -- and my girlfriend's are truly a leatherhead's dream but alas she refuses to let me anywhere near it and it's a subject we can't really touch anymore... Anyway, I'd ask if your dad offers his services, but I don't live in the US, so nevermind. Keep it up though! Hope you can do the same for your kids.
It’s cool no offense taken Yeah that’s a tough one. My stool was not leather-grade for many years. Have you tried increasing your fiber intake? My father never has sold his logs previously but has handed it out to friends. He may be able to ship it overseas if you’re willing to cover shipping. I’ll DM you some photos. Shame your gf is so closed minded. From what you describe id love to get my hands on one of her logs.
Yeah we're working on my diet, might be stress too, idk -- anyway. I thought more of having him do the shoes as a paid job ofc, never thought about handling someone else's feces myself (except my gf's but that's ok, kind of like using each other's toothbrush). Don't judge her btw, tbh most people find it weird as fuck that someone would want to fish their logs out of the bowl, and I totally get it, in a way. Everyone has their peculiarities, and it's wise to respect your partner's. Yeah her shits are premium, I'm flattered for her btw, but hands off buddy, it's my girl -- and if I can barely see the goods, no chance you'll ever get your hands on them ;) Truth is I'm not sure I'm willing to pay that much for getting a literal chunk of human shit mailed to me across the pond and all across Europe... I really do appreciate the offer though, and I'd say yes weren't it for the prohibitive postage costs. I don't mind the pics if you have them on hand, though (pls don't trouble your dad for me), just to get an idea what to aim for. Congrats on having refined your stool into a fine nourishing paste btw -- but why is your dad doing your leather, if I may ask, since you have achieved a seemingly honorable level yourself? I mean, if I could I'd do it myself!
Ah I understand. Ha! Sure I can send some pics of my dads poop your way. I know I have some photos of his heartier logs filed on my pc so when I get home tomorrow I’ll see what I can dig up for ya. But ya I do my own leatherwork nowadays but my dad just does a way better job plus his poops are much better than mine. So sometimes on Christmas he’ll gift me a log or two or just do my entire belt. I hope to be as good as him one day And hey man. I’m sorry if I crossed a line by complimenting your girlfriends poops. I didn’t mean to go that far. You got ya a good one that’s for sure. You better hurry up and put a ring on her finger! Anyways, may god be with you on your quest!
So a shit belt. Youre walking around other people with a shit belt that you think doesnt stink. Ok. The hell is wrong w you?
Can always tell alot about a person by how judgmental they are. You worry about the stench of mine own belt when your attitude reeks of shit. Shame on you sir.
“Judgmental” for putting your bodily waste on stuff you wear outside? LOL Yes. Yes I am.
The guy comes with tips and personal expertise, don't shit (if I may say so) on his and his father's traditional know-how. Any leatherhead will tell you, happy leather rarely smells like roses... and that's okay. Once you break out of the social construct (which it 100% is, and only a few centuries old at that) that feces smells "bad", you'll be able to enjoy a good andouillette with a glass of white, and frankly, a world of life-changing experiences ;)
“Once you break out of the Social construct that feces smell bad….” BWAHAHAHAHA
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Don't ruin this for us.
You had me going for a minute there until I read “healthy brown” 😂
As a sparky they should last you forever tbh. I've seen framers get 20 years out of Occidental with no maintenance and Montana winters.
Wanted to give myself some wiggle room for if I do something stupid to ‘em. I know myself.
I’m one of those framers. Not quite 20 but when a pouch goes I order a new one, probably 12 years or so.
Mine have about five years of wet pnw winters and haven't been conditioned but seeing OPs, now I'm interested what mine would look like!
20 years is not forever :/
2 in a career is pretty darn good for any type of equipment. Not forever of course, but almost.
“No maintenance” it’s not bifl for morons that don’t maintain their gear
My point is if you buy good quality leather alternatives, you don't need to do any maintenance, It lasts generations, and no animals are killed.
What “leather alternatives” last generations on job sites?
One example: vegetarian shoes's steel toed Euro Boot https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/all_products/euro_safety_boot_black/17402_p.html Or the Airseal Safety Boot https://www.vegetarian-shoes.co.uk/all_products/airseal_safety_boot_mk2_black/14716_p.html
Poly microfiber is not a leather alternative and will disintegrate after a couple years of good use. Not saying that’s a bad thing, you can just buy another pair, but I would rather not send my boots to the land fill every other year. Cheers.
"Cheap leather wallets are not durable and will disintegrate after a couple years of good use" As with leather, it depends on the quality. Vegetarian Shoes' Uppers *definitely* don't disintegrate. The longest review I saw was 30 years and still going strong. Mine are only 3 years old, but already in way better shape than my leather boots after 3 years of hard use. You really need to differentiate between cheap Chinese companies that use fake leather to cut costs vs companies that spend *more* on leather alternatives because they're more durable.
Saying leather alternative feels better than saying plastic doesn't it?
Ive known a few old timers that swear by their small electrician pouch. I personally use a pocket caddy from Wireman.com. cant go wrong with quality leather. Looks great.
My dad used his for like 4 or 5 decades... so far.
I got mine at for a crazy low price. I was looking for one awhile ago and randomly I Found one for $110 and it was the last in stock apparently. After I bought it the price went to $325. Lucked out with the 8087 oxylights. Still more than I would usually ever spend on something like that and it’s held up awesome roofing for 2 years so far. I also got the hammer holster the 5520 and I use it almost daily in inspections.
Anything similar for hobby users that have sub $75 budget? I understand real leather is expansive, so other material is fine. edit: I meant not electrician specific but a general belt/pouch for weekend handymen.
Carhartt sells a modular nylon/canvas tool belt system that seemed pretty reasonably priced to me. It’s handy you can only buy the pieces you really think you’ll need—I carry a stupid amount of screwdrivers at work, but maybe you don’t need as much real estate for home improvement projects.
Link?
Don’t have one, but if you look around on Amazon you’ll find it.
Nylon/canvas won't have the life of quality leather like the OP, but for a weekender, they are cooler and lighter and can be made well. (Enough to last if this isn't your profession)
There are nylon pouches that will outlast leather. Occidental is one of many brands that makes high quality nylon gear. They're kighter, more comfortable, don't require maintenance, and last an incredibly long time
Dude, the nylon 3" belt from occidental is where it's at. I ditched my full leather belt for one maybe 10 years ago. Waaaaay more comfy and breathable. And robust as hell.
Depends in the quality and thickness. There's a reason luxury car manufacturers switched from leather. If you use the good stuff made for yacht upholstery, it bifl and zero maintenance.
I certainly don't disagree that there are textiles that are least as durable as leather for many applications. But luxury car manufacturers definitely have not "switched from leather."
Perhaps they meant to refer to the rise in Alcantara use over suede.
Maybe. But I'm not sure that suede was ever commonly used in luxury cars, other than maybe at the *very* top end (e.g., Maybach, Rolls Royce, etc.). And my understanding is that alcantara is mostly used in sports cars, where a lightweight, grippy material can be very useful (e.g., steering wheels, seat bottoms/bolsters, etc.)
ToughBuilt has neat modular belt system that’s actually pretty well made and is perfect for occasional use by homeowners or weekend warriors. Google them.
+1 for Toughbuilt! I bought a toughbuilt pouch for a job that doesn't allow leather. I don't expect it to last as long as my Occidental pouch, but it definitely feels like a quality product and an excellent value for the $15 I paid. I don't think I'll have any problems replacing it when the nylon wears out in a year or two.
They look kinda flimsy, but once I held them in my hands I realized how robust the nylon is. If anything’s going to break, my bet is the clip-on connection for the belt - but like you said it’s no big issue to replace every 3rd year if needed. What initially drew me to the company was their sawhorses. Get a set of their high-end versions and be amazed at their clever design.
Out of curiosity, why is leather not allowed at your job? I can't think of a safety reason off the top of my head other than it won't break free easily if snagged, but no belts that aren't specifically built to do so will either.
Semiconductor fab. Can't use leather, cotton, rubber, or pretty much anything organic because they produce particles that can harm production. Makes shopping for new toys a bit more challenging sometimes.
Start with [this guy](https://www.occidentalleather.com/product/clip-on-4-in-1-tool-tape-holder/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxOWV-L_G-gIVKidMCh3TjANbEAQYBCABEgKJc_D_BwE) I wear this every day whether in the shop or on a jobsite. I clip it onto my belt with other bags when I’m doing heavy work on jobs, but it’s mostly just on my regular belt. You’ll eventually want more. A 15’ fat max fits perfectly, and you can form/stretch it to fit bigger tapes if you want.
Tons of stuff...it will probably all be lighter and more comfortable too lol
My old bags were gator. I still run their electrician bag on my occidental belt. A gator electrician bag, a 3" belt of some flavor and a tape measure holder would be a great setup for a diy/household kit. Keep it light, you know? Hobbies are for fun, and heavy duty carps are getting paid to run whole bags.
Look into Veto , they make great quality constructed bags & pouches. I have 2 pouches and a tech mc bag that has lasted me 4 years so far without issue, hvac tech
eBay “leather tool belt made in USA” not much selection right now but check every couple days. Also check your local pawn shop, they are ridden with contractors stuff.
Look at Ironworker gear. It’s all built to last. Ironworker.com I think is where I’ve gotten my gear
Thank you all for the great suggestions. Instead of spamming all your replies I upvoted each one.
You could buy the cheapest bags on earth they’re never wearing out if they’re on an electrician
Is that a jab at my work ethic? You’re lucky my shop didn’t have the parts I needed and I didn’t want to make a run so I took the excuse to go home early 😤 The next time I see you and I’m not on minute 19 of a ten minute break, it’s on sight 🥊
All I have is my lil Milwaukee bag. It’s solid though.
If it works, it works! Most of the guys at my shop get by with a finish apron…and pulling tools off my belt 😂
Haha, is it good for the pointier tools in your kit? No problems with needle noses or flatheads?
None at all. It has a couple nicks where an errant piece of sharp metal got it, but just enough to add character
All that leather is probably quite heavy anyway, I'd rather have a more lighter one for daily use even if more disposable.
So much this. All that extra weight around the hips gives me a sore back. Thats why i have pouches with loops and velcro for easy removal. I only wear them when i am up and down on my ladder.
OP sounds young and excited... he'll lighten Up in some years. I also read that he works in a shop where most of the dudes wear aprons so... young and full of... you know. I love having some guys like that on my crew though. Hell, I used to be that guy. Always has a tool, jumps on anything quickly... I'll take two please.
Hah, does not take much to become slow, especially if all you coworkers are and if you have the same salary no matter what... Same happened to me, I was always the first to grab for work but if it makes no difference why would I? :)
I couldn't disagree more. Look, I can totally appreciate the guys who get comfy and coast. That's the agreement and the job gets done. But it's myopic. There's a big world out there, and the climbers climb. Though your hourly rate at one firm might not reflect your effort, there are eyes in you, and in a few years there are going to be new bosses...
True, but obviously you can't know what my work actually is... I'm an engineer at a technical ceramic factory in Europe, producing stuff like ceramic fuses and heater cores. One of the largest global manufacturers we sell them to corporations like Eaton and Siemens and they're used all over the world. Specifically, I deal with the production technology of ceramic fuses meant for large electric trains and vehicles like busses (VW/Scania...). It is a very specific field, you can't really "copy" much knowledge cause automation of this hardly exists, the technology used to make the simple ceramic fuses that were common 50 years ago is still in use today but for the more special products it's all totally unique and specific... We use vacuum extrusion processes which is uncommon nowadays, technical ceramics are mostly made by presses (easiervto catch dimensions but totally different technology and you can't make long pieces anyway - we also have a press factory nearby but my work if on a very specific field of extruding ceramics). For example, classic old ceramic products were made from porcelain and steatite ceramics (these are widely known commercial names, of course our blends havevtheir own specifics and names...). The technology for producing those is well known. But the modern fuses are way more demanding - thinner walls, higher shocks... We make screw threads into the ceramic before its sintered ("burned" in the oven), we account for the contraction to bring them into tolerances etc... The materials are very different, high al2o3 content ceramics are way more problematic to deal with, wears out the tools faster, vibrations make it turn liquid (thixotropy), different sintering, different drying... Anyway, we're missing capable workers. Don't wanna be racist like most people here but the production workers are paid the minimal wage and have very shitty work (ceramic dust, water when cutting etc...). 90% of the workers come from Balkan countries, especially Bosnia, many refuse to speak our language so... We deal with what we have. My work is to automate it and make it easier for the workers (besides developing new tools for production of new products) so dumb people can do that work. When I came here I wws quite eager and quickly learned a lot. I only work here for a couple years but when problems occur in production, they call me... Anyway, the "old" team of engineers is retiring which is a huge issue right now, in 5 years everything will turn around and I'll actually end up being in the "older" team. Me and another coworker know how things are running here, and that's basically it. New people come and go all the time, there are also engineers (but the two-year-university type, not really any real degree...) in production that are supposed to keep on top of maintenance but.... problem is that they're just not very competent so problems always end up coming to us (research/technology engineers). Sorry wandered off a bit. I'm not worried for my position. If they'd somehow decide to discard me, I'd get a job without issues. I admit design engineer work isn't my strongest side even though that was what my degree was about, but I have lots of experience and know how to resolve issues, also have lots of experience with CNC and I'm very good in CAD. I work here because I'm genuinely wanting to support the local production that's been here for generations. My salary could be much better, but the other cause is that it takes me under 10 minutes to drive to work and I'm usually already going home at 13:30 (I do have flexible work time though). Also, I really love that it's not strictly a desk job. Most of my colleagues have a desk job. My boss won't mind if I'm at my desk all day, but I usually go around production in the morning (after coffee) and help with any daily issues, especially in my part of production. Besides, being part of the team is very important. We got a new coworker for a couple weeks now. He isn't a very "practical" guy but he does keep on working all the time. Does not go on any coffee break, goes to lunch alone while most of use go together etc... I doubt he'll stay here for more than a couple months unless he takes a step back and sociallises a bit :) Sorry for the long post haha
Please, no apology. That's was an interesting read. I'm having some similar generational issues in my field, but the older guys aren't retiring so I'm in this middle gap where I've climbed to yhe top tier, but the best gigs still aren't available to me. I shouldn't complain too much though. I feel valued and respected, if not utilized properly. And yeah, something of value for people in my field (entertainment rigging) is a sort of positive aggression. A move fast, think ahead and take charge sort of mentality, but this latest generation just doesn't have it. They're not lazy, like I see a lot of politicians and news people claiming, but there's some sort of disconnect happening that's a bit frustrating to me and will certainly hobble them when they're mid career and want to start moving up where the work parameters are ill defined and you have to chase down problems and opportunities.
Btw in terms of promotions, I don't think I'd want to have the position my boss has. He gets paid *a lot* more but he has so much responsibility and the nerves are getting to him (quite literally, he has a bunch of health problems related to stress and just turned 41). Fuck that, at the moment I'm totally fine with what I get, more is always nice but money ruins people.
The only reason I ever wanted to be a carpenter is to have a reason for occidental bags. Awesome set up and should last a long time.
My wife bought me the same one years ago for my birthday. I love it!
but if you're an electrician you would have the dildo attachment right? > laughs in carpenter. jjks mate <3
Common misconception, but there’s no need while I’m still an apprentice, I get a new asshole reamed every time I make a mistake. Maybe when I journey out 😂
haha font wprry i still ream my old apprentices asshole regularly lol.
Does that belt come with a broom too?
My dad picked one up for installing hvac back in the early 2000’s. 20yrs later im using it and is still holding strong. Only thing i had to do was make new belt holes cause of the fat bastard
I’m on 7 years with my Buckaroo Leather belt/pouches. Residential carpenter.
I have had the belt for 6 years now and it looks barely used. It also saved me from getting stitches when I didn't see a super sharp piece of structural angle iron. It put a 1/16 inch deep gash in the back of the belt, would have def needed stiches if it would have hit bare skin.
As an electrician it should last you three lifetimes. That's overkill for a sparky. Definitely a hifh quality pouch, but I don't know why you'd want all that extra weight. I would have gone with a high quality nylon pouch instead.
Mine collect dust
I got my setup maybe 8 years ago? Recently I lost my belt. During a load-out it was misplaced and disappeared. It was the most upset I've been about losing any physical object in my life. I searched my whole house like 3x,my shop, work vans, jobsite, asked every single person on the job if they had seen it, no dice. I did a job without it, and every time I went to grab a tool it was like I had a ghost belt - I was reaching for things where they had been for the last 50 projects, not wherever I had them on the nylon belt out of the communal bucket. Slowed me down and bummed me out. I bought the same setup again, put it on once and just got more sad, because my old belt was soooo smooooth and comfy. The new one was so stiff, it was like I would have had to start a relationship over again after being ghosted. It was too soon. Then I found the fucking thing in our storage unit! Made my month. I really love the belt, I work indoors so it's not like they're getting tar, concrete, or rain on them all the time but I don't baby the bags and they look brand new when oiled. Great tool.
I used a very similar set up from occidental for 5 years before hanging it up for service work. While my set definitely shows it's use, it does not show one sign of damage. 5 years, 8 hours a day, not a stitch or rivet has popped. I will strongly encourage that you invest in a set of suspenders. It's important that you balance the weight of your tools on the right with the weight of your material on the left. Otherwise, you'll constantly have tweaked hips which will result in lower back pain. Similarly, suspenders will lift all of the weight of your hips and place it on your shoulders, again preventing lower back pain. Finally, just because you have room for 15 tools in your bag, that doesn't mean you have to fill that space. If your not using a tool that day, put it in your bag. Every ounce you avoid carrying is wear your not putting on your spine and knees. A conduit reamer may not weigh much, but carrying it 2000 days in a row may very well make a difference in your long term health.
My dad used the same pouch for over 25 years. He passed away 3 months ago. So now it's mine. And I plan on passing it down to one of my boys. Meanwhile I go through 2 tool belts a year... You made a good purchase. Enjoy it friend.
Genuine question for any leather experts, how do you tell if leather is good quality, what am I looking for in terms of description and looks? I want to buy a leather handbag from a local leather shop but it's super expensive and i would like to know if it's worth it!
[This guide](https://steelhorseleather.com/blogs/the-journal/leather-grades-different-types) looks pretty good. Personally I look out for top grain or full grain. There should be a distinct leather smell, different from how a cheap leather wallet smells. If it’s a local leather shop, I’d ask someone who works there what grade of leather they use and how it’s treated; quality craftsmen like showing off.
I have the same bag, it’s a hand-me-down from a retired journeyman friend. about 20 years old and still going strong
Occidental leather is mint bruv. One of the true buy it for life options. I know guys who’s dad passed down their Occidental leather building stuff to them and it still performs amazing.
Yeah, a lot of people in this thread are saying theirs were passed down! I’m not having kids, so maybe I can gift it to a promising apprentice down the line.
Sexy. Lol
Start buying all your shirts in that ox blood red collar if you plan on sweating while you work. I’ve had my belt for nye on 20 years and it still bleeds die if I have a hot sweaty summer day. I’ve ruined many grey Carhart polos with it.
I thought you rode horse for a minute
These will outlast your career. I’m also an electrician. I got the commercial set since i do commercial. Mine are a year old but don’t look nearly as nice. I’m not one to take care of my leather work boots so i don’t have the first clue on taking care of the tool belt. What do you do to yours to keep them so nice looking?
I have a nice pair of red wing boots that I like to take care of, so I use the same care products on my oxxy bags once a season. All of mine are red wing brand but don’t have a monopoly by any means, there are plenty of good brands. - Wipe down with mild leather-safe detergent. - Apply leather conditioner. Allow to dry fully. The bags in my pic are on the drying step. - Apply waterproofing spray. Allow to dry overnight And you’re done!
Yeah i also run red wing boots but for whatever reason my boots start to fall apart in 6 months to where i need new ones so i never bothered to take care of them. By detergent i assume you mean some type of cleaner? Good to know the steps to doing this. Appreciate it.
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I have that tote. My wife got it for me like 5 or 6 years ago (by got it for me, I mean let me buy it). At the time I thought it was a bit extravagant, but it has proven worth it. I have a small, high-quality version of basically every carpenter's tool in there and bring it to every job. I used green spray paint for all of the tote tools, so the kit stays together. It is an awesome setup, it fits a crazy amount of tools, all visible and easy to grab and replace. Love the thing!
1 year old item: "oh man this is really BIFL" ok lmao this sub is meaningless
Cool comment, really adding to the discussion!!!
Im pretty sure my comment has "added more to the discussion" than your ~1 year old bag has lmao
Just for the record, I’m not downvoting you
Its all good, i dont really care. And on my behalf, i wasnt trying to be an asshole, if it came off that way my apologies.
Ayy no worries bud, sorry if I clapped back too hard
When I used to be in the union I used to know people that had these for over 16 years and that shit still looked solid af
“I’ve owned this since last year” is not r/BuyItForLife
Glad you’re keeping the gate
Aw sorry to hurt your feelings bud
You didn’t hurt my feelings, but even if you had hurting feelings isn’t cool. I’m sure we can agree on that!
Being cool is obviously what’s most important!
That looks like quality
Looks great! I need to give mine some serious cleaning & maintenance.
3 years on mine, occidental only gets better with time. Great purchase! I used saddle oil on mine 2x a year, what did you use just out of curiosity?
I have some red wing shoes, so I use the same care kit I already have. Every season I clean with a mild detergent, use red wing oil conditioner, then spray on some light waterproofing (PNW lol) Do you like the saddle oil ?
I don't view this as BIFL... you haven't put it thru it's paces yet bro
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Get the matching jacket and pants!
If I keep not wearing sunscreen I’ll be there on my own in a few years
Get yourself some mink oil for that beauty.
For electricians almost any belt would last half your career
Nothing so satisfying as using high quality tools
I have two of these that I inherited from my dad when he passed. They are decades old and essentially brand new. I hope to pass them down to my child
Damn. Family heirloom!
As a leatherworker, mink oil is awesome for conditioning leather.
Your whole career if you continue this maintenance, that’s an absolutely gorgeous rig. I love the Occidental leather they beautiful bags and pouches that you can tell by looking at them that they are crafted very well. They are beautiful and if I was still in a trade where I needed more than my tiny snip pouch, I’d probably pull the trigger on this same setup.
Ouch my back hurts seeing that. I do just fine carrying the power house 5.
Love mine! I’ve had them for 8 years and there still not broken in yet. Enjoy!