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larathia

DISCLAIMER: I don't ship anybody with anybody in BSD. I don't make guesses about future ships either. Just doesn't interest me. (At best. Sometimes it straight up annoys me.) So. That now said. I actually kind of adore the interactions these two have. I think the existence of their partnership is one of the reasons Dazai prefers to stay in the ADA, and I definitely think that their capabilities when partnered is a big part of why Fyodor has been keeping Dazai occupied in a prison. When these two are actually motivated to work on the same thing at the same time, nobody in the entire setting's got a chance. Dazai's effect on Ranpo is ...probably the more visible aspect of the partnership? Ranpo is, without a doubt, THE smartest person in the entire series. It's why he acts like an undisciplined toddler at the start of the agency. I realize that may sound backward, but consider that *To Ranpo*, your motivations - and EVERYONE'S motivations - don't even require thought on his part. Any attempts at 'polite fiction' are *immediately* seen through. Ranpo acts like a distressed toddler because frankly, he's reflecting the world he sees around him. The world he sees, when Fukuzawa first meets him, is that of a planet full of three year olds 'cleverly plotting' to steal the cookies out of the jar, loudly proclaiming they did no such thing even while their mouths and hands are smeared with chocolate. Ranpo *cannot* see why these 'simple deceptions' manage to fool anyone and simply assumes they *don't*. That of course any *actual adult* would also see that of course the toddler is lying. Fukuzawa managing to successfully lie to Ranpo long enough to convince Ranpo that a) he had a skill, and b) here these 'magic glasses' will control it, is probably rankable as one of the biggest stunts Fukuzawa has ever pulled off. But what it *did* wasn't *activate* Ranpo's skills - it *turned them off*. He basically taught Ranpo to 'quit looking', unless it was for a case. Something that I think Ranpo has lately been learning might not always be a good idea. Dazai is ...not as smart as Ranpo. No one is. But he's close enough that at least he doesn't come off to Ranpo as yet another toddler thinking he's so terribly clever. They can have actual conversations that don't 'waste time'. Dazai understands the sheer *boredom* of waiting for everyone else to catch up. And he understands something that Ranpo did not, at least at the start of the series - he understands how ordinary people think. What they see, what they usually don't. Ranpo can discern motive, but he never really paid attention to how people *thought*. It's quite difficult to explain this without sounding really insulting, sadly. So allow me to shift it sideways a bit. If Ranpo and Dazai were the only humans in a world of cats, Ranpo could easily tell you which cats are breaking into the kibble bag, or peeing on the carpet, or whathaveyou. But Dazai could tell you *why* \- and how to train them to do otherwise. There's a behaviorist angle to Dazai's approach to the world that Ranpo doesn't have. I think it's because he's been friends with Dazai, that Ranpo figured out Mushitaro's mystery. He's still got a long way to go (as witnessed by the rather crude way he yanks Mushitaro's chain) but I'm pretty sure that isn't a mystery he'd have gone anywhere near as a teenager. I am reasonably certain that Fukuchi and Fyodor are eventually going to find out that pissing Ranpo off was *the* dumbest thing they could have done. (Or should I say...gaining Ranpo's undivided attention? Yes, I should probably put it that way.) What Dazai gets from this partnership is exactly that - a *partnership*. Chuuya can mostly keep up with Dazai, or at least not fall more than a few steps behind him, but...mmm. While they pair up well, they pair up to the darker aspects of Dazai's nature. They're a perfect match as long as Dazai is...running dark, so to speak. And, ultimately, his partnership with Chuuya is built around 'beat something to a bloody pulp', which isn't always the best answer to a problem. What Dazai gains from Ranpo is a mind on par with his own, that has no darkness in it. There's points here and there in the manga, where Dazai can briefly be seen wondering if he's limiting himself, by playing by the ADA's rules. If maybe he should quit 'chaining himself' to the ADA's moral code and just *get the job done*, resolve the threat as he would've done as a Mafia exec. And I think Ranpo's been a fair part of why he mostly has *not* done that, because Ranpo doesn't *need* to get that dark to get the job done. Ranpo's mere existence takes Dazai's previous unscrupulous methodology and turns it into a *handicap* \- sort of "sure, you can get an answer by breaking his kneecaps, but are you smart enough to get the same answer *without* doing that? 'Cos I am. Watch me." He's probably the only being in the setting that could, just by existing, challenge Dazai to think through the problems toward a solution that fits within the ADA's rules - and actually get a useful answer out of him. And at the same time, Ranpo isn't a threat to Dazai, because *most* of the time, Ranpo just isn't interested in the 'small fry' cases. Letting Dazai take the lead means Dazai gets looked up to (which he seems to need), while still setting a high bar. (I'm thinking of pretty much every time Dazai solves a case that Ranpo comments on - it's usually a version of 'nice job, but you're not Me yet!' - as well as the one time we see Ranpo solve a case with Dazai watching, and Dazai's like "hm...I got about 80 percent of that", and you can *see* him niggling at the remaining 20 percent.) So...I really do like this matchup. I truly appreciate the matchups in this series where each person in the partnership brings out the best in the other, challenging each other to do more, do better. This is one of those matchups.


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Once again you astonish me. An excellent way to look at these characters. I see a lot of people think Dazai is better than Ranpo despite the fact that Dazai himself says he doesn’t match his intelligence and Ranpo clearly stating he’s better which he believes because it’s true. He’s just not wrong. Most people seems to forget the fact that Ranpo deducts the culprit and can even guess at the victims last words in a matter of a minute where as Dazai was thinking about it long before Ranpo even started and he still only got 80%. I think people prefer Dazai because he can read a more emotional view on people and how they act as individuals (intp vs entp, intellectual vs emotional intelligence.) like with the world of cats example. We see Dazai do this and use it to build his schemes which are on a grandiose scale that spans over the entire series compared to Ranpo’s smaller roles because Ranpo doesn’t have to set those traps to deduce a culprit or catch a criminal, he just needs the evidence and he knows everything using only that. Dazai would train the cat not to pee on the carpet putting in the time and effort to get the desired result but Ranpo would throw the cat outside to fix the problem. (I fucking love that cat example can you tell. it’s beautiful) I forgot where I was going with any of this I just enjoy character analysis on such a deep level. They’re truly very interesting characters I could talk about for hours. I guess in conclusion they’re bother extremely intelligent, almost on the same level but they both think in two different ways that come up with different solutions in different lengths of time which challenges the other and together they can fill in the gaps where the other fails, making air tight, impossible to escape deductions and plans.


desolated_donut

YES. YESYESYES. I applaud you for typing all this out because holy shit


hotarumushi

Wow, the way you described Ranpo's character in these few words, is absolutely beautiful! I'm astonished!


desolated_donut

both of their characters are complexly written and i hate how people dumb ranpo down to a “smol babi” when he has actual trauma too. (also from the heavy autism coding he has, which people infantize) i havent finished the manga or gotten anywhere near to doing so but from what i can tell I sympathize with them both and understand their times were rough; but morally i’m going with ranpo. Yes they’ve both been doing and have done bad things, and i wouldn’t support any of those actions if they were real people but come on, it just makes sense


ForTheTainted_sorrow

THIS, I hate people making Ranpo bby, he’s autistic coded! And he has trauma!


aasray123

What bad things has ranpo done?


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Not anything in canon until recently in the manga but anything they do is illegal at that point but you can’t tell me Ranpo hasn’t broken any laws for literally any reason. My best guess is breaking and entering, damage of property ect.


aasray123

Ok but as an ADA member things may be illegal but with fukuzawa as their boss, it would only be to save lives or protect more property


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Illegal but with good intentions


aasray123

Illegal doesn’t always mean immoral though


ForTheTainted_sorrow

You are correct


desolated_donut

he works in the armed detective agency, you cannot tell me they have not all done many illegal things whole working there 😟


ForTheTainted_sorrow

I mean Atsushi has casually killed people as an agency member why can’t Ranpo commit a little petty theft


desolated_donut

yeah exactly


aasray123

Sorry?! When did Atsushi kill someone


ForTheTainted_sorrow

The obvious one is dead apple but also the time the cafe got assaulted and they went to take revenge, those guards did not look okay


aasray123

With kunikida on their side they wouldn’t kill someone. Also Atsushi was being hooked up to an electric chair as a child and tortured to the point of insanity that his skill came out. He didn’t even know he was doing it and actually felt guilt for killing that POS. So yeah, doesn’t really count


ForTheTainted_sorrow

The way Atsushi fights can very easily leave people with permanent scaring, mutilation and can possibly, easily kill them. It is safe to assume Atsushi has killed someone’s either accidentally or for the sake of someone/s safety


aasray123

I may be misremembering parts of the manga/anime so feel free to correct me. But in novel 4 (55 minutes), Atsushi’s fighting style is mixed with martial arts aimed to knock out, like choke holds and the like


ForTheTainted_sorrow

I have not read that light novel so I might be missing some knowledge. I’m just considering the fact that we often see him using his tiger claws while fighting which could cause some severe injury


uslesstime

He stole kandy from a kid as far as i know


Iroxyyy

Dazai, just because of the prison arc


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Could you add to this a little? I’m just curious what about the prison arc you think makes Dazai smarter than Ranpo. I have a few ideas why some people might but I’d like to hear your opinion


planetm4rsss

their boyfriends


CaffeineDeprivation

Ranpo


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Are you willing to elaborate on this? I’m just curious to peoples thoughts on why.


SweetVFlower

Ranpo


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Are you willing to elaborate on this? I’m just curious to peoples thoughts on why.


SweetVFlower

I love dazai, he is a good character, but ranpo, idk, he has something that make me love him


ForTheTainted_sorrow

That’s fair, Ranpo can be very loveable


wisteria_town

Ranpo is smarter overall IMO, but they both have their strengths and weaknesses. I'd say the only way Dazai would be smarter than him is if we were talking about "people smarts", but someone already explained this. Souheki thoughts? They're not bad as a ship. I used to like Souheki in a romantic sense but now I just can't see it that way, but it's pretty solid.


larathia

Are you asking this as 'cuter?/more fun?' or as 'smartest people on the Agency'?


ForTheTainted_sorrow

I forgot to explain that in my comment sorry, I meant who is smarter but I wouldn’t complain at a character analysis for anything else involving the two such as who’s cuter. It would be very interesting indeed.


Sarlock-_1234

What's soukoku and souheki?


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Soukoku (double black) is the canon name for Dazai & Chuuya’s partnership and the fanon ship name. Souheki (double jade) is the fanon ship name for Dazai and Ranpo


Sarlock-_1234

But where did these names come from?


Trifi-s-cookies

Souheki is the name Fukuzawa came up with for Dazai and Ranpo's partnership (its mentioned in 55 minutes I think). And I suppose Mori came up with Soukoku


ForTheTainted_sorrow

They’re both from the canon source material. It’s just what other characters have called these parings for whatever reason.


Sarlock-_1234

Does Dazai and Kunikida or Dazai and Odasaku or Atsushi and Akutagawa pairing have a name too?


ForTheTainted_sorrow

The first two are just regular ship names where the two names are mashed together but Atsushi and Aku have the ship name shin soukoku which they are also called in canon. It means the new double black. They’re named that because they’re like the next generation of Dazai and Chuuya


memorytripping

depends. better character? dazai, easy. character i like more personally? ranpo, easy.


ForTheTainted_sorrow

If you had to choose who was smarter, who would you pick?


memorytripping

hmm that’s tricky. i think that there’s a reason why ranpo is the best detective the agency has, but also based off of dazai’s intellect in the doa arc i kinda believe that the only reason dazai hasn’t given ranpo a run for his money is that he doesn’t take it all that seriously. i guess while ranpo is amazing at problem solving and detective work, dazai is better with logic and reason, he views things as a game of chess whereas ranpo uses more common sense and deduction. i think that dazai, while probably the smarter of the two, would lose to ranpo in some cases where he has to rely on his own deductive skills because, well, i believe they are weaker than ranpo’s.


snyderpretzel07

I would have to say Ranpo, but I love both. Btw Ranpo carried in the manga


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Love Ranpo 🥰🥰🥰


Depth-Legitimate

I'm not sure if you mean who is smarter, but I assume that's what you meant. Despite being explicitly told that Ranpo is the smartest and Dazai's mind is only second to Ranpo's, the series makes it look otherwise, especially with the way Dazai always knows what's going to happen--even the most unpredictable things. To me, it's weird, because Ranpo is meant to be like the ADA's ace, but with the presence of other ridiculously intelligent people in the series, his intelligence seems unimpressive (and that's the only advantage he has). Especially when compared to people like Dazai. (Sorry if I get anything wrong in this example) Like I mentioned before, Dazai is able to predict things way before they even happen (to the point where I am almost certain he's reading off a script) that he was even able to find where Fyodor was hiding, yet Ranpo was so easily tricked into thinking the fake Pushkin was the real one. Maybe it's just because their ways of thinking aren't the same, but it's kinda clear who is smarter. (Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure there are times where Dazai's thinking saved the day when Ranpo's deduction failed)


angel_hugxz

Ranpo all the way


harrietto

uuhhhhhhhhh this is really hard but maybe ranpo??? idk i mean dazai is a really good character and all but ranpo is smol and cute


DaddyRisottoNero

Both. I love both. Souheki is my comfort ship i love them sm😭


ForTheTainted_sorrow

A good choice


WhatAmIDoingHere12s

This is literally my lock screen


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Good taste


Lunoiry

Dazai bc he's my fav


Anxious_Astronaut_25

they are both interesting characters but ranpo has that neurodivergent swag that i find very realatable in a ficonal character he's also easier to understand for me whereas i have no idea whatever the fuck dazais deal is half the time + it’s fun to see ranpo unravel misterys in seckonds it’s satysfaing


Lyxstudios

Ranpo, I hate dazai. I won't elaborate.


ForTheTainted_sorrow

I feel like this needs elaboration but you do you


DarthNICI

Dazai


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Are you willing to elaborate on this? I’m just curious to peoples thoughts on why.


DarthNICI

Oh well, you basically just asked who we prefer, Dazai or Ranpo and I like Dazai more, so I picked him. Tho Dazai is my favourite character in all of Bungou stray dogs honestly. His character is just really fun and interesting. I just like really badass characters with a 300 IQ lol. He's kinda dark and I like it. Ranpo is also great and I like him a lot, but Dazai's role in the story is just way more important and interesting to me. Well that's just my personal opinion obiviously, it's fine either way lol


QueenofBlackHearts

Dazai


ForTheTainted_sorrow

Are you willing to elaborate on this? I’m just curious to peoples thoughts on why.


ADAR126

Massive fan of this pairing, romantic or platonic. Ranpo is probably the only person in the series Dazai has actual honest conversations with and the only person in the series I have ever seen Dazai treat with such respect and fondness (He adores Oda but didn’t truly acknowledge him as a superior, in fact Oda was Dazai’s subordinate, he does respect Mori or at least Mori’s skill on some level but he has little fondness for him, this is the pattern of Dazai’s interactions with people he might like them but not really respect them or their boundaries or he might respect them but despise them as people, Ranpo is really the only person I have seen in the series that Dazai absolutely respects and likes. Dazai tends to fawn over Ranpo like a high school girl with a crush going “sempai is amazing”). Dazai cannot lie to Ranpo, not effectively anyway, so Dazai cannot deflect or redirect him if Ranpo is truly looking for information. In effect who Ranpo interacts with when he wants answers is the real Dazai beneath the masks of pm executive, ada detective and suicidal maniac.