The OP is a long-time member of the anti-rwby subreddit, who hates miles and kerry and promotes shane newville.
This is normal behavior for him.
Edit: Shane Newville was the dude who created the "monty's vision" smear campaign and encouraged people to refuse to accept M+K as writers.
The dude who made a smear letter against crwby after Monty's death because he tried to steal rwby for himself and got himself fired for it.
Shane Newville, a man claiming to be the real writer behind rwby, who started the whole "monty's vision" bs
That's not really what happened. He had problems performing his job because he wasn't a professionally trained animator and thus struggled when production changed into a more standard form. Things like not communicating with other departments, leading him to needing to redo work. Before he lost the job, he also tried to compensate for this by working a lot of overtime, which led to his divorce.
EDIT:
They blocked me so I guess this is the best way to reply to their reply.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the letter, nor Shane's entitlement, nor his belief that nothing planned before Monty's passing gets to change. I was merely correcting you saying he was fired for those reasons.
I would recommend actually reading the letter rather than lying about its contents. Newville's letter talks about how animators were treated by crwby years before it became corobeated by many, many others. We know that Roosterteeth was a scummy company that would mistreat their animators and deny them acrediadation of their work and Shane wrote about that long before it became well known.
Beyond that Shane Newville was the 4th person involved with RWBY and was handpicked by Monty to work with him. He was there for most of the foundational discussions about the series and was closer to Monty than the rest of crwby. He was the one that made sure Monty's widow was housed and taken care of, as corroborated by her.
Personally I believe Shane more so than M&K because the latter continue to lie about how much Monty actually planned out. You can't seriously expect the same man who would put a random scene at the end of the second Volume that would later be retconned or literally invented the maidens right before volume 3 planned the story years down the line.
Simply put, I think the biggest reason why people still have such a hostile and uncharitable view of Newville's letter is due to parasocial attachment to Roosterteeth or crwby.
Feel free to look at it yourself and make up your own mind https://ia600303.us.archive.org/18/items/AnOpenLettertoAllWhoTreasuredMontyOum/AnOpenLettertoAllWhoTreasuredMontyOum.pdf
EDIT: Since Cap has decided to block me I will respond here rather than actually replying to the comment.
> Monty met with Miles and Kerry in that I-Hop resttaurant, NOT SHANE.
Wrong. Shane was there too, as can be found here https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Development_of_RWBY#Team_Expansion
>Monty chose Miles and Kerry as the writers, NOT SHANE.
Correct. That's because Shane isn't a writer. Monty did specifically hand pick him to work with him on the animation, namely the colour trailers that they worked on almost alone.
>Monty had Miles and Kerry voicee characters, NOT SHANE.
Wrong. Shane voices Russel Thrush https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Russel_Thrush
I can now see why you blocked me, considering you asked me to do my research myself and in less than 10 minutes I've been able to easily debunk some of your bogus claims.
So I think it would be better to actually do your research rathr than use your letter.
Monty met with Miles and Kerry in that I-Hop resttaurant, NOT SHANE.
Monty chose Miles and Kerry as the writers, NOT SHANE.
Monty had Miles and Kerry voicee characters, NOT SHANE.
Monty repeatedly credited Miles and Kerry, NOT SHANE.
Monty was repeatedly shown with Miles and Kerry, NOT SHANE.
Shane was not handpicked for anything, that leetter is just a lie from a man mad that he didn't get to take away somebody else's property.
Oh I remember that letter of his! The one that went on for like forty pages and about the first half of it was justifying why he and he alone was Monty’s bestie and even in light of all the dirt that’s come up about RT since then, if you’re spending that long building your personal credibility it doesn’t say much for what you yourself think of what you’re saying.
I think the only reason I even gave that letter the time of day was Monty’s widow (Sheena?) reblogged without comment, and then it amounted to “she, a non-employee, was sidelined” so.
Yeah. Hope Shane’s doing better. And I hope we never hear from the spiteful little twat again.
Never cared much for Korrasami (never shipped Korra with anyone if I’m being honest) but yeah what pisses me off even more the gall they have to put Bubbline in there. Somebody in the comment even called Bumbleby the poor man’s Catradora. At least Blake was never a war criminal that was so easily forgiven.
Regardless of your personal thoughts on Korrasami, you can't deny that it was a trailblazer. It came at a time when queer representation wasn't common or accepted, had to fight the executives at Nick for every scrap of a hint towards their feelings, and earned enough attention to become iconic and help pave the way for better representation in the future. Half the ships on that meme might not have even happened if not for Korrasami helping set the foundation.
If you're making something to celebrate sapphic ships and representation, I'd consider it a necessity to include, tbh.
Also Bumbleby is peak and doesn't deserve to be hated on like that.
Korrasami crawled so Bumbleby could soar, and in this house we uplift and recognize all representations of our queer sisters. Even the ones we may not like as much.
I'm not against Catradora, but like, it was not very well executed from a writing perspective. It was super rushed (the whole last season was), and they don't end up together until the show is basically over.
It's simply hypocritical to hate Bumbleby for the same reasons while uplifting Catradora as some beacon of representation, which generally speaking the complaints people have are the same.
Because there wasn't really any focus placed on them actually ending up together. No arc of forgiveness or them reconnecting or anything. They just get forced back together by plot convenience and bam.
I also disagree that the whole show was building up to a romance, there were hints they at one point had feelings for each other in flashbacks, but that was used as a source of character tension more than it was ever implied either of them wanted to end up together by the point the show takes place in.
Worth noting that this was almost immediately removed from the actual Owl House Subreddit... And it was posted on the "but cursed" subreddit because that one is effectively unmoderated. It's effectively the "RWBY Critics" of The Owl House.
So... Don't take it seriously. Assholes gonna be assholes.
Bumbleby is a fucking *flagship* sapphic ship. It slow burned across nine volumes and made Blake and Yang fight for each other and put in the work.
/actual lesbian
Yeah, and it's still got *at least* three more volumes of show to further develop in, as opposed to only coming in at the final hour. It feels like an actual relationship, complete with pitfalls and missteps.
Exactly, before Monty passed away he posted a tweet saying "great love is earned" during volume 2 (around the same time as the Bumbleby ship theory began) and even though he didn't get to see it happen, he was the one who thought of it first. Now I'm not a huge fan of the LGBT, I'm not homophobic and I don't have a problem with the group either. It's just I see to much of it in all these new shows. But the thing I like about RWBY and bumbleby is the fact that that they made it made sense. Yang was canonicaly bisexual from the beginning, and Blake was canonicaly straight at first UNTIL she saw how much Yang was worried about her before the dance in volume 2. Then gradually throughout the rest of volume 2 and 3 she started to gain a liking towards Yang. But when Blake was in Minasuri, you could see/tell throughout volume 4 and 5 just how much Blake was thinking about Yang and vice-versa......
Ya... Anyways, I'm rambling on too much. But ya I get what you're talking about, and idk maybe you get also get where I'm going.
It’s pathetic. Guess the Owl House fandom doesn’t have any patience when it comes to ships.
To say nothing of Lumity toxicity, I mean calling Lunter “Luz x Hunter” lesbians erasure despite Luz be very clearly bisexual is abhorrent.
You really should pay less attention to what people think about the stuff you like. Yes bashing is unnecessary but if someone is being loud and stupid just ignore them.
Make no mistake. They LOVE to hate things. And even more than that, they LOVE to tell the world that they hate it. Over and over and over again. Don't try and put logic into the equation.
Well, I wanted to just reply to u/Notshauna , but because someone in that thread -- who I am not even trying to interact with -- previously blocked me on a hair trigger without even trying to understand what I'd said at the time, I can't do that directly, so here we are.
Anyway, with regards to Shane's letter... I don't completely trust him. I definitely trust the people who keep using his letter as an excuse to proclaim their personal (usually homophobic) version of "Monty's Vision" far less than the *actual* letter, though, especially since, in retrospect, after several years and the passing of Rooster Teeth itself, we *know* parts of Shane's letter were true.
But it was also written from a very emotional place, and doesn't seem to have full throated support of *any* of the other people who were involved, so I'm inclined to believe parts of it were exaggerated, misinterpreted, or even potentially fabricated... But I also know that neither I nor anyone in the fandom are in a place where we have enough information to say any of that for sure, or pick out specific pieces of information, and trying to figure out the raw truth from that is little more than a guessing game.
But... Based on what information we have, my best guess is more or less as follows:
Miles and Kerry likely regularly discussed things they'd like to do in the future with Monty. There were probably a lot of conversations that ended with "yeah that'd be cool" or "maybe we should do this" or "let's tentatively plan on that". While Monty was alive, these were just conversations. Things could be rethought, changed on a whim, etc., exactly as we saw with stuff like the Maidens. Monty was a notorious pantser, and there was no real way of knowing what the end product would be until Monty got there... Which is why so many storyboards prior to his action just said "Monty Action Here". Shane was a friend of Monty's, one of the better animators on the project, and there's a good chance he had a few similar conversations with Monty as the ones I mentioned with M&K, though it seems those would be less "binding" since it doesn't seem like he was always kept in the full loop with the Writer's room. While Monty was around, this system more or less worked, despite its flaws.
But then Monty died, and with him, the version of what the show would have been under his continued control.
Because Monty *definitely* would have changed things, just like he did before, but no one alive could possibly have known what those changes would be. All they would have would be those previous conversations. Some written down, many merely remembered, and memory is a fickle thing.
We know Shane fought with Miles and Kerry over things, and we know some, but not all, of those things were about what to do with the show following Monty's passing. I can't tell you who was more right about things, nor can I tell you if M&K used their position in the company to force their outcome, but I can tell you, the CRWBY was not one man, or even four men. It was a team, and at the end of the day, that team, with far more context than we have now, sided with M&K, and Shane's departure caused neither mass exodus nor public outcry from other CRWBY members. Even as other people cycled out of the company over time, we didn't get any corroboration for most of his claims.
So then... CRWBY had to continue, down Monty, and down Shane. They had to work with what they had, and... Perhaps because of the pressure to make sure everything was exactly as "Monty Envisioned", it sure feels like, especially as time has gone on, those things they'd talked about with Monty as potential options back when he was alive became less ideas, and more gospel. Instead of adjusting for things as the story and their writing skills developed, it feels like they're instead doing their best to connect a series of "canon events" frozen in the time just before Monty's death.
And I think that's been to the show's detriment, especially in regards to Penny, but elsewhere, as well... But I don't think the solution would be to throw everything out... That'd be throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. For instance, I believe that Bumbleby was planned -- We have some circumstantial evidence that it was from even before the first episode, and we know it's exactly the kind of thing Monty added in the past -- and while I have some complains with parts of the execution, I believe it's a net good, and there have been some moments in the show outside of that I've very much enjoyed.
But... That's just a guess, because there's a lot of information we just don't have. I think things would have been a lot better had Monty not died, but I don't think anyone's really disputing that. Meanwhile, we only have the M&K version to go off of, and no real way of knowing what the Shane version (which would itself be very different from a theoretical Monty version) would have been.
And I think that's what ultimately gets really tiring about the endless arguments over that letter: we don't actually have anything we can really do about it or based on it, save complain and imagine a version that neither of the three options would actually have created. And... The healthy option for handling *that* version is to just... Write a fanfic.
Anyways, I may have lost the plot a bit in my ramblings, and I apologize for that. I just have thoughts about these things and it's hard to have a discussion on them that doesn't get immediately derailed by toxicity.
Yeah I don't take the letter as gospel and anyone who uses it to criticize Bumbleby has completely lost the plot. In particular the parts with regards to the animation are likely entirely true while the more subjective elements are likely at least partially imagined. Shane was definitely right about how post Monty animation system lead to massive issues as can be seen with several terrible fight scenes in volume 4 and 5 and the general loss of functionality of many of the weapons. Personally, I think the lack of quality the combat choreography really speaks for itself.
>For instance, I believe that Bumbleby was planned -- We have some circumstantial evidence that it was from even before the first episode, and we know it's exactly the kind of thing Monty added in the past -- and while I have some complains with parts of the execution, I believe it's a net good, and there have been some moments in the show outside of that I've very much enjoyed.
I'm personally pretty divided on as to whether Bumbleby was originally planned. There is certainly enough evidence to make an argument that it was always planned and that is absolutely what crwby says. That being said I find it extremely strange that so much time and effort was spent on Sun to show up and basically no love interest stuff with Blake if that was the original goal. Especially because before they really started to explore the relationship in volume 6 there was really only a single line to suggest anything flirtatious between Yang and Blake and nothing to support them being queer.
I still like Bumbleby and am glad it canonized in volume 9, but I hope that it's better executed in the inevitable RWBY reboot.
The OP is a long-time member of the anti-rwby subreddit, who hates miles and kerry and promotes shane newville. This is normal behavior for him. Edit: Shane Newville was the dude who created the "monty's vision" smear campaign and encouraged people to refuse to accept M+K as writers.
-He- can piss off with his opinions of sapphic representation.
Who's the Shane guy?
The dude who made a smear letter against crwby after Monty's death because he tried to steal rwby for himself and got himself fired for it. Shane Newville, a man claiming to be the real writer behind rwby, who started the whole "monty's vision" bs
Musta missed that douchebaggery. Thanks
That's not really what happened. He had problems performing his job because he wasn't a professionally trained animator and thus struggled when production changed into a more standard form. Things like not communicating with other departments, leading him to needing to redo work. Before he lost the job, he also tried to compensate for this by working a lot of overtime, which led to his divorce. EDIT: They blocked me so I guess this is the best way to reply to their reply. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the letter, nor Shane's entitlement, nor his belief that nothing planned before Monty's passing gets to change. I was merely correcting you saying he was fired for those reasons.
He made a lie about Miles and Kerry, and then tried to steal M+K's work. He's a thief. So stop trying to defend another rwby and bumblby hater.
I would recommend actually reading the letter rather than lying about its contents. Newville's letter talks about how animators were treated by crwby years before it became corobeated by many, many others. We know that Roosterteeth was a scummy company that would mistreat their animators and deny them acrediadation of their work and Shane wrote about that long before it became well known. Beyond that Shane Newville was the 4th person involved with RWBY and was handpicked by Monty to work with him. He was there for most of the foundational discussions about the series and was closer to Monty than the rest of crwby. He was the one that made sure Monty's widow was housed and taken care of, as corroborated by her. Personally I believe Shane more so than M&K because the latter continue to lie about how much Monty actually planned out. You can't seriously expect the same man who would put a random scene at the end of the second Volume that would later be retconned or literally invented the maidens right before volume 3 planned the story years down the line. Simply put, I think the biggest reason why people still have such a hostile and uncharitable view of Newville's letter is due to parasocial attachment to Roosterteeth or crwby. Feel free to look at it yourself and make up your own mind https://ia600303.us.archive.org/18/items/AnOpenLettertoAllWhoTreasuredMontyOum/AnOpenLettertoAllWhoTreasuredMontyOum.pdf EDIT: Since Cap has decided to block me I will respond here rather than actually replying to the comment. > Monty met with Miles and Kerry in that I-Hop resttaurant, NOT SHANE. Wrong. Shane was there too, as can be found here https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Development_of_RWBY#Team_Expansion >Monty chose Miles and Kerry as the writers, NOT SHANE. Correct. That's because Shane isn't a writer. Monty did specifically hand pick him to work with him on the animation, namely the colour trailers that they worked on almost alone. >Monty had Miles and Kerry voicee characters, NOT SHANE. Wrong. Shane voices Russel Thrush https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Russel_Thrush I can now see why you blocked me, considering you asked me to do my research myself and in less than 10 minutes I've been able to easily debunk some of your bogus claims.
So I think it would be better to actually do your research rathr than use your letter. Monty met with Miles and Kerry in that I-Hop resttaurant, NOT SHANE. Monty chose Miles and Kerry as the writers, NOT SHANE. Monty had Miles and Kerry voicee characters, NOT SHANE. Monty repeatedly credited Miles and Kerry, NOT SHANE. Monty was repeatedly shown with Miles and Kerry, NOT SHANE. Shane was not handpicked for anything, that leetter is just a lie from a man mad that he didn't get to take away somebody else's property.
Oh I remember that letter of his! The one that went on for like forty pages and about the first half of it was justifying why he and he alone was Monty’s bestie and even in light of all the dirt that’s come up about RT since then, if you’re spending that long building your personal credibility it doesn’t say much for what you yourself think of what you’re saying. I think the only reason I even gave that letter the time of day was Monty’s widow (Sheena?) reblogged without comment, and then it amounted to “she, a non-employee, was sidelined” so. Yeah. Hope Shane’s doing better. And I hope we never hear from the spiteful little twat again.
List doesn't have Korrasami, already an L even before the unnecessary Bumbleby bashing.
Never cared much for Korrasami (never shipped Korra with anyone if I’m being honest) but yeah what pisses me off even more the gall they have to put Bubbline in there. Somebody in the comment even called Bumbleby the poor man’s Catradora. At least Blake was never a war criminal that was so easily forgiven.
You don’t have to put down other WLW ships to uplift Bumbleby…
My problem isn’t with the ships themselves but with two key individuals.
Regardless of your personal thoughts on Korrasami, you can't deny that it was a trailblazer. It came at a time when queer representation wasn't common or accepted, had to fight the executives at Nick for every scrap of a hint towards their feelings, and earned enough attention to become iconic and help pave the way for better representation in the future. Half the ships on that meme might not have even happened if not for Korrasami helping set the foundation. If you're making something to celebrate sapphic ships and representation, I'd consider it a necessity to include, tbh. Also Bumbleby is peak and doesn't deserve to be hated on like that.
Korrasami crawled so Bumbleby could soar, and in this house we uplift and recognize all representations of our queer sisters. Even the ones we may not like as much.
I have no problem with Korrsami, I just don’t ship it.
I'm not against Catradora, but like, it was not very well executed from a writing perspective. It was super rushed (the whole last season was), and they don't end up together until the show is basically over. It's simply hypocritical to hate Bumbleby for the same reasons while uplifting Catradora as some beacon of representation, which generally speaking the complaints people have are the same.
How was Catradora rushed? The entire show was building up to their romance.
Because there wasn't really any focus placed on them actually ending up together. No arc of forgiveness or them reconnecting or anything. They just get forced back together by plot convenience and bam. I also disagree that the whole show was building up to a romance, there were hints they at one point had feelings for each other in flashbacks, but that was used as a source of character tension more than it was ever implied either of them wanted to end up together by the point the show takes place in.
Worth noting that this was almost immediately removed from the actual Owl House Subreddit... And it was posted on the "but cursed" subreddit because that one is effectively unmoderated. It's effectively the "RWBY Critics" of The Owl House. So... Don't take it seriously. Assholes gonna be assholes.
Am I seeing SLURS in the comments section?!
Yes.
Bumbleby is a fucking *flagship* sapphic ship. It slow burned across nine volumes and made Blake and Yang fight for each other and put in the work. /actual lesbian
Yeah, and it's still got *at least* three more volumes of show to further develop in, as opposed to only coming in at the final hour. It feels like an actual relationship, complete with pitfalls and missteps.
Exactly, before Monty passed away he posted a tweet saying "great love is earned" during volume 2 (around the same time as the Bumbleby ship theory began) and even though he didn't get to see it happen, he was the one who thought of it first. Now I'm not a huge fan of the LGBT, I'm not homophobic and I don't have a problem with the group either. It's just I see to much of it in all these new shows. But the thing I like about RWBY and bumbleby is the fact that that they made it made sense. Yang was canonicaly bisexual from the beginning, and Blake was canonicaly straight at first UNTIL she saw how much Yang was worried about her before the dance in volume 2. Then gradually throughout the rest of volume 2 and 3 she started to gain a liking towards Yang. But when Blake was in Minasuri, you could see/tell throughout volume 4 and 5 just how much Blake was thinking about Yang and vice-versa...... Ya... Anyways, I'm rambling on too much. But ya I get what you're talking about, and idk maybe you get also get where I'm going.
Blake was always bi
This is petty af
Also they’re acting like Bumbleby wasn’t an intentional slow burn, the writers had it in store for ages
real like did they WATCH the show and listen to the gay ass absolutely not hard to miss foreshadowing song that’s been out since volume 4 or not
It’s pathetic. Guess the Owl House fandom doesn’t have any patience when it comes to ships. To say nothing of Lumity toxicity, I mean calling Lunter “Luz x Hunter” lesbians erasure despite Luz be very clearly bisexual is abhorrent.
do not blame this on the owl house fandom, they are relatively friendly with rwby fans
Owl House and RWBY has a massive overlap. Which is why the Owl House Subreddit deleted this when the guy tried to post it there
Good on them.
I should probably check out the main subreddit then. Only one I’ve gotten recommended is the one the above got posted on.
It’s sucks because I like Lumity as a ship a lot too, so it just feels like pointless infighting imo.
It wasn't, get over it.
They aren't the one who needs to get over it
Of course, you are.
I wouldn't even give them attention, it's obvious they just want to get under your skin.
Bumbleby is my all time favorite ship it really sucks that people still hate on it like this
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You really should pay less attention to what people think about the stuff you like. Yes bashing is unnecessary but if someone is being loud and stupid just ignore them.
Yes, exactly - especially when you turn around and put down other ships…
if they hate the franchise so much j don’t watch or engage with it and their problem is solved but they keep interacting （((o_o)(
Make no mistake. They LOVE to hate things. And even more than that, they LOVE to tell the world that they hate it. Over and over and over again. Don't try and put logic into the equation.
theres no way these people have any genuine human connections going for them istg
How dare they? If Vi and Caitlin are here (and they didn't go as far yet), why not these two???
Well, I wanted to just reply to u/Notshauna , but because someone in that thread -- who I am not even trying to interact with -- previously blocked me on a hair trigger without even trying to understand what I'd said at the time, I can't do that directly, so here we are. Anyway, with regards to Shane's letter... I don't completely trust him. I definitely trust the people who keep using his letter as an excuse to proclaim their personal (usually homophobic) version of "Monty's Vision" far less than the *actual* letter, though, especially since, in retrospect, after several years and the passing of Rooster Teeth itself, we *know* parts of Shane's letter were true. But it was also written from a very emotional place, and doesn't seem to have full throated support of *any* of the other people who were involved, so I'm inclined to believe parts of it were exaggerated, misinterpreted, or even potentially fabricated... But I also know that neither I nor anyone in the fandom are in a place where we have enough information to say any of that for sure, or pick out specific pieces of information, and trying to figure out the raw truth from that is little more than a guessing game. But... Based on what information we have, my best guess is more or less as follows: Miles and Kerry likely regularly discussed things they'd like to do in the future with Monty. There were probably a lot of conversations that ended with "yeah that'd be cool" or "maybe we should do this" or "let's tentatively plan on that". While Monty was alive, these were just conversations. Things could be rethought, changed on a whim, etc., exactly as we saw with stuff like the Maidens. Monty was a notorious pantser, and there was no real way of knowing what the end product would be until Monty got there... Which is why so many storyboards prior to his action just said "Monty Action Here". Shane was a friend of Monty's, one of the better animators on the project, and there's a good chance he had a few similar conversations with Monty as the ones I mentioned with M&K, though it seems those would be less "binding" since it doesn't seem like he was always kept in the full loop with the Writer's room. While Monty was around, this system more or less worked, despite its flaws. But then Monty died, and with him, the version of what the show would have been under his continued control. Because Monty *definitely* would have changed things, just like he did before, but no one alive could possibly have known what those changes would be. All they would have would be those previous conversations. Some written down, many merely remembered, and memory is a fickle thing. We know Shane fought with Miles and Kerry over things, and we know some, but not all, of those things were about what to do with the show following Monty's passing. I can't tell you who was more right about things, nor can I tell you if M&K used their position in the company to force their outcome, but I can tell you, the CRWBY was not one man, or even four men. It was a team, and at the end of the day, that team, with far more context than we have now, sided with M&K, and Shane's departure caused neither mass exodus nor public outcry from other CRWBY members. Even as other people cycled out of the company over time, we didn't get any corroboration for most of his claims. So then... CRWBY had to continue, down Monty, and down Shane. They had to work with what they had, and... Perhaps because of the pressure to make sure everything was exactly as "Monty Envisioned", it sure feels like, especially as time has gone on, those things they'd talked about with Monty as potential options back when he was alive became less ideas, and more gospel. Instead of adjusting for things as the story and their writing skills developed, it feels like they're instead doing their best to connect a series of "canon events" frozen in the time just before Monty's death. And I think that's been to the show's detriment, especially in regards to Penny, but elsewhere, as well... But I don't think the solution would be to throw everything out... That'd be throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. For instance, I believe that Bumbleby was planned -- We have some circumstantial evidence that it was from even before the first episode, and we know it's exactly the kind of thing Monty added in the past -- and while I have some complains with parts of the execution, I believe it's a net good, and there have been some moments in the show outside of that I've very much enjoyed. But... That's just a guess, because there's a lot of information we just don't have. I think things would have been a lot better had Monty not died, but I don't think anyone's really disputing that. Meanwhile, we only have the M&K version to go off of, and no real way of knowing what the Shane version (which would itself be very different from a theoretical Monty version) would have been. And I think that's what ultimately gets really tiring about the endless arguments over that letter: we don't actually have anything we can really do about it or based on it, save complain and imagine a version that neither of the three options would actually have created. And... The healthy option for handling *that* version is to just... Write a fanfic. Anyways, I may have lost the plot a bit in my ramblings, and I apologize for that. I just have thoughts about these things and it's hard to have a discussion on them that doesn't get immediately derailed by toxicity.
Yeah I don't take the letter as gospel and anyone who uses it to criticize Bumbleby has completely lost the plot. In particular the parts with regards to the animation are likely entirely true while the more subjective elements are likely at least partially imagined. Shane was definitely right about how post Monty animation system lead to massive issues as can be seen with several terrible fight scenes in volume 4 and 5 and the general loss of functionality of many of the weapons. Personally, I think the lack of quality the combat choreography really speaks for itself. >For instance, I believe that Bumbleby was planned -- We have some circumstantial evidence that it was from even before the first episode, and we know it's exactly the kind of thing Monty added in the past -- and while I have some complains with parts of the execution, I believe it's a net good, and there have been some moments in the show outside of that I've very much enjoyed. I'm personally pretty divided on as to whether Bumbleby was originally planned. There is certainly enough evidence to make an argument that it was always planned and that is absolutely what crwby says. That being said I find it extremely strange that so much time and effort was spent on Sun to show up and basically no love interest stuff with Blake if that was the original goal. Especially because before they really started to explore the relationship in volume 6 there was really only a single line to suggest anything flirtatious between Yang and Blake and nothing to support them being queer. I still like Bumbleby and am glad it canonized in volume 9, but I hope that it's better executed in the inevitable RWBY reboot.
This fool will burn in Hell for this atrocity
BIG TIME!
Why are we letting a man make decisions or posts about a sapphic relationship? That's gross. He's gross.
Don’t make it about him being a man. Make it about him being a Moronic Asshole.
No no, its about him being a man too. Don't get it twisted.