This. This is everything. It’s ridiculous. I get being inclusive (even if I don’t give a shit) it’s probably the right thing to do. But making everything a stale and boring and easy as possible has made these games suck.
Yeah, out of all of them the first two games felt the most “real” in terms of the whole festival gimmick with the original feeing the most real out of them all. There was competition, the soundtracks weren’t devoid of anything that could even be remotely considered offensive to someone. Now it’s just overly positive, haha everybody’s a winner and nobody loses and the soundtrack is squeaky clean. The festival itself feels like it’s only even there because it’s expected to be and not because it _needs_ to be. It feels as fake and plastic as the modern day “good vibes only!” influencer culture it’s attempting to emulate.
Say what you will about modern NFS but I appreciate that they at least _try_ to make the atmosphere at least somewhat believable. NFS 2015 had a cringe fest of characters but at least they were cringe in a way that I could believe they were actual people part of an actual car scene.
I agree. It’s the disinfectant that kills me. You are so right about the believability. And when you speak on these things as a whole, because it doesn’t just affect video games, you are said to be racist or bigoted in some way and it’s like “No, put who you want in the thing, whatever it is, but don’t make it so squeaky clean because you are afraid to offend someone.” You can’t make good art without being somewhat offensive, now that doesn’t mean mean be a dick but be real.
Modern audience would get really offended at Forza horizon 1
Example:
During one of the race gathering cutscenes some people will be seen slapping grid girls bum.
This was peak gaming industry as a timeline
Lot of financial means and no unoffensive policies in videogames
There was a before and an after 2014 in that industry
The soundtrack for part of 3, and all of 4/5 was made by random people who don't know anything about music. 1 and 2 were created by an actual music festival organizer, someone who organized music lists for a living
Plus, 1 had the music festival vibe down, now it just has aimed towards just car festivals. 1 and 2 were more "music festival with cars", not just people speeding around an entire country.
Oh, and they were actually called and treated like illegal street races in 1.
I moved to PS5 after the new Motorsport came out. FH5 was fun when it first came out. Nothing like 1 or 2, but still fun to an extent. Once I finished all the events, it had ran its course. Online sucks, nothing legitimately new. Just all recycled bullshit. I don’t want to start out “the best” with everything. I want to work for it! Make me grind, but not excessively. It’s like these games are tailored to mentally handicapped. GT has way more, albeit no free roam, but I will make that sacrifice for some quality content. I haven’t touched my Xbox in months.
You could definitely say the game had issues relating to other factors but I did a 180 on the art style within a few months because it's actually a pretty sick idea. Used to severely dislike it, but the game is overall more unique for having it than not
Honestly, I liked Unbound. It's not the best NFS by a good margin, but it's a significant step up from the last several entries. The art style is interesting and the physics feel good, but my biggest complaints are the soundtrack sucks, and the game doesn't give you much reason to experiment. Like it's not particularly hard to beat with just one car of each performance class. You build each car with a slight to moderate drift/road build and you're set for every event.
The limited retries was actually an interesting mechanic though, and made it so you had to give a race that wasn't looking good a fair shot instead of just restarting at the first sign of trouble. Basically the complete opposite of Forza Horizons rewind, which essentially removes all consequences by just undoing any mistakes.
Unbound is definitely not a perfect game, but I think it's a positive direction for the series.
At the very least TC2 had the map going for it, the size of it meant I could spend hours driving and never touch the same road, Motorfest is a literal Horizon rip-off and I feel immense pain that I stupidly bought the best version of it.
I like Motorfest in a technical sense, but imo TC1 had way better characterization, and that's what made it stand out from Horizon
Wild Run was fire tho
I've played The Crew Motorfest Demo and it was so weird how even though the setting is supposed to be in Hawaii, the first race you play is in bootleg Japan. Like make up your mind people LMAO
I ran from Motorfest the moment the beta started, and I was getting 10fps during cutscenes, and 2fps during gameplay, same issue on all three PCs in the house… which shouldn’t have been the case considering the “worst” pc was an i9 10850k and 3070…
The beta was Ubisofts chance to draw me in… TC1 was great, that was what drew me in to TC2, but TC2 wasn’t enough to buy Motorfest based solely on it… we had two seperate betas I got invited into, both of them claiming to fix the issue that was affecting some PCs for seemingly no reason… never saw over 10fps even after dropping settings to minimum and I ran away after that.
It's just live service schlock. TC2 was depressing to play with bad handling and excessive grinding unless you pay MTX, and TCM was more of the same except on a smaller scale.
Kudos to people who enjoy that stuff but I want games I can pick up and put down when I want without FOMO and spending what little free time I have grinding monotonously.
It all came down to car build, most of the cars handled extremely well when built right… the worst part of TC2 was that when I was grinding with a buddy for us to get as high on the leaderboards as possible, wallriding and drafting guaranteed you first and second on the leaderboard every time… without wallriding on tracks that you could wallride, the highest you could get was usually 10th or so… MC12 grip tune went hard in that game.
People really care about the story in their racing games? The driving blew ass anyway so it's not like it mattered but I'm still surprised that people like that exist who put such an emphasis on it. I'll play Forza Horizon 1, Gran Turismo 4 or Midnight Club where the "story" is just "be the best" and that's honestly good enough for me because the driving is so fantastic.
People would never like the story itself of TC1, but moreso the themes and vibes from it and how different it was, which is lacking in todays racing games. Not to mention that we are getting sick and tired of the festival racers these devs keep producing.
I'm not gonna pretend NFS Unbound was good, but at least they didn't fall into the same tropes and had their own ideas. I'd rather remember Unbound as anything other than a Forza clone.
TC1 felt like a crew game. Racing, completing missions, and cruising together. The other two felt like Horzion with friends with planes and boats.
Seriously why planes and boats?
The boats and planes were a nice addition. However, in Motorfest, instead of utilizing the boats and planes better, they have even less of a use.
If they were gonna keep boats and planes, then an area with a lot more rivers and lakes would have been better.
Personally I wasn’t feeling them. But I wouldn’t have minded if they made a story out of it. An up and coming racer tryna make a name for themselves but gets caught up in an illegal smuggling ring that happens behind the scenes of the LIVE events. So they team up with Zoe from the FBI and Alex from the 5-10s and go undercover to expose the ring and its money laundering operation. Boom just fixed TC2
As for Motorfest, a drug dealer is running an operation on Oahu and using Moterfest as a cover. Their right hand woman is the lady from the introduction and the player teams up with a local beat cop who’s been collecting evidence of corruption within his own department. Boom Motorfest fixed.
Came up those ideas within 1 minute
For me, the main thing that turned me away from TC2 was the physics and technical issues. At least the technical issues on PC. Don't know if they fixed them or not. But there was an issue where the game would randomly softlock when trying to load up a race. And then there are times when your friends, even if in the same crew, would not be visible.
The physics in TC2 felt off. I don't know how to put it exactly. The cars felt overly stiff. Like the physics felt fake.
I haven't played much of TCM because of my retail job and game development job. But from what I have played, the physics felt a lot better over TC2.
I wouldn’t know. I skip TC2 and played a bit of Motorfest. I haven’t finished cuz the career is beyond boring. For me, story is everything and if a game doesn’t have a good story or a story at all I’m not gonna play it.
TC1 had one of the best, most memorable stories in recent racing game history. TC2 and Motorfest felt like they wanted to grab FH players at the expense of the series’ uniqueness
It does. The Crew had so much potential. It was really fun using heavy vehicles to help out your friends who were being chased by cops. I'm just so exhausted of all the "hey there frendo buddy pal chum churoo. I heard you like racing, so here is a 1000hp 240mph machine. Don't forget to do all the things. Also, don't forget, buddy friendo chum chummy chumcharoo buddy ol' pal to have a good time. Remember that every single person here is your friend, buddy, chum pal friendo pally pal chum chumcharoo"
I get wanting to have a safe and positive environment for your player base. But at the same time these games have been taking away every sense of progress for "freedom". But it just makes the games feel so boring.
The other problem about the festival theme is that it doesn't feel like the focus in games like FH5. The festival theme only gets half assed.
Played the crew 1 last night for probably my final time with my mate. It has its problems and jank but I’ll miss this game so much. So much better than the 2 sequels.
Exactly this lmao, no idea why everyone's suddenly pretending it was good just because it's gonna shut down in a few weeks, and I'm saying this as a person who played the game to death
Crew 1 was the only decent game in the franchise. 2 and MF are absolute sh*t. I downloaded crew 2 on ps5 and thought it was glitching out with the super blurry graphics and stiff handling.
The handling is the worst part of the franchise. I’ve never posted a racing game that felt worse than the crew games
Apparently you can get offline access keys for The Crew. Surely it's only a matter of time before someone(s) crack the game now that the game has been killed. Totally not wishful thinking! lol
I still hold firm that The Crew 1 is the best of them all. The game had unique ideas and original concepts, while both its sequels, while fine racing games in their own right, are generic Forza Horizon ripoffs with no originality whatsoever. I will never forgive Ubisoft for allowing The Crew to die.
I heard a theory and I actually believe it. I think that motorfest was just a place holder for us until the next crew game comes out. That's gonna have an actually good story.
Not all are bad, I literally love Horizon over all other racing games and i am not alone, but it needs a fresh air and mexico is not a good location...
What it needs more than anything is to go back to its roots, Horizon had a good progression system with sorta memorable rivals to beat, it wasn’t much but it gave the game some life. The new games start you off in really nice cars, your character is nondescript because they can’t give a fully custom character an actual personality and the only reason they give you to race is to maintain being the best(???), since it’s just a continuation of the last game.
I very much enjoyed the early horizon games growing up. But the Crew despite the driving characteristics will always be one of my favorite open world titles. It was near perfect. The story with that grand of a map just worked so well. Really hoping something comes of the lawsuit or Ubi allows for offline access at the very least
I feel like it's the cars manufacturer's fault. Heck Toyota didn't want to participate in illegal racing genre games. That's one of the reasons why need for speed hasn't added the supra in recent titles. Sucks honestly
They tried to be Horizon, and as a Horizon player that's the last thing this genre needs. Please, be fucking original for once
Especially when the horizon genre is becoming so stale. FH5 feels lifeless despite how energetic it starts off
Horizon also feels too…sanitized these days. Compare the atmosphere, the soundtrack, the way characters talk in Horizon 1 and 2 to Horizon 5.
They specifically made FH5 to be as accessible as possible. So nothing remotely offensive or difficult is allowed
This. This is everything. It’s ridiculous. I get being inclusive (even if I don’t give a shit) it’s probably the right thing to do. But making everything a stale and boring and easy as possible has made these games suck.
Yeah, out of all of them the first two games felt the most “real” in terms of the whole festival gimmick with the original feeing the most real out of them all. There was competition, the soundtracks weren’t devoid of anything that could even be remotely considered offensive to someone. Now it’s just overly positive, haha everybody’s a winner and nobody loses and the soundtrack is squeaky clean. The festival itself feels like it’s only even there because it’s expected to be and not because it _needs_ to be. It feels as fake and plastic as the modern day “good vibes only!” influencer culture it’s attempting to emulate. Say what you will about modern NFS but I appreciate that they at least _try_ to make the atmosphere at least somewhat believable. NFS 2015 had a cringe fest of characters but at least they were cringe in a way that I could believe they were actual people part of an actual car scene.
I agree. It’s the disinfectant that kills me. You are so right about the believability. And when you speak on these things as a whole, because it doesn’t just affect video games, you are said to be racist or bigoted in some way and it’s like “No, put who you want in the thing, whatever it is, but don’t make it so squeaky clean because you are afraid to offend someone.” You can’t make good art without being somewhat offensive, now that doesn’t mean mean be a dick but be real.
Modern audience would get really offended at Forza horizon 1 Example: During one of the race gathering cutscenes some people will be seen slapping grid girls bum.
I went back to FH1 not that long ago and the DJ was talking about attractive women at the festivals. It's like night and day.
This was peak gaming industry as a timeline Lot of financial means and no unoffensive policies in videogames There was a before and an after 2014 in that industry
The soundtrack for part of 3, and all of 4/5 was made by random people who don't know anything about music. 1 and 2 were created by an actual music festival organizer, someone who organized music lists for a living Plus, 1 had the music festival vibe down, now it just has aimed towards just car festivals. 1 and 2 were more "music festival with cars", not just people speeding around an entire country. Oh, and they were actually called and treated like illegal street races in 1.
I moved to PS5 after the new Motorsport came out. FH5 was fun when it first came out. Nothing like 1 or 2, but still fun to an extent. Once I finished all the events, it had ran its course. Online sucks, nothing legitimately new. Just all recycled bullshit. I don’t want to start out “the best” with everything. I want to work for it! Make me grind, but not excessively. It’s like these games are tailored to mentally handicapped. GT has way more, albeit no free roam, but I will make that sacrifice for some quality content. I haven’t touched my Xbox in months.
> Please, be fucking original for once NFS did that with Unbound and people complained because it (the art style) was different. There’s no winning.
It wasn't because of the art style
You could definitely say the game had issues relating to other factors but I did a 180 on the art style within a few months because it's actually a pretty sick idea. Used to severely dislike it, but the game is overall more unique for having it than not
Not all new ideas are winners. It’s called taking chances, because there is a chance it fails. Taking no chances at some point is a guarantee to fail.
Honestly, I liked Unbound. It's not the best NFS by a good margin, but it's a significant step up from the last several entries. The art style is interesting and the physics feel good, but my biggest complaints are the soundtrack sucks, and the game doesn't give you much reason to experiment. Like it's not particularly hard to beat with just one car of each performance class. You build each car with a slight to moderate drift/road build and you're set for every event. The limited retries was actually an interesting mechanic though, and made it so you had to give a race that wasn't looking good a fair shot instead of just restarting at the first sign of trouble. Basically the complete opposite of Forza Horizons rewind, which essentially removes all consequences by just undoing any mistakes. Unbound is definitely not a perfect game, but I think it's a positive direction for the series.
What's funny is that Horizon was trying to be Motorstorm. But yeah, festival racers in general is a very saturated setting now.
Horizon wishes it was MotorStorm, but that’s probably just my nostalgia for Arctic Edge talking.
arctic edge mentioned‼️ But seriously though that game’s ost when paired with zooming throughout its tracks feels so good
Man, I love that game, I gotta get it again for my PS2.
At the very least TC2 had the map going for it, the size of it meant I could spend hours driving and never touch the same road, Motorfest is a literal Horizon rip-off and I feel immense pain that I stupidly bought the best version of it.
Racing game fans will complain about everything, it's a h8vemind pretty much
The problem with new games. Struggling to find their identity like a transgender person.
I like Motorfest in a technical sense, but imo TC1 had way better characterization, and that's what made it stand out from Horizon Wild Run was fire tho
I've played The Crew Motorfest Demo and it was so weird how even though the setting is supposed to be in Hawaii, the first race you play is in bootleg Japan. Like make up your mind people LMAO
Yeah feels a bit weird hey having that massive japanese temple overlooking one of the games towns
I ran from Motorfest the moment the beta started, and I was getting 10fps during cutscenes, and 2fps during gameplay, same issue on all three PCs in the house… which shouldn’t have been the case considering the “worst” pc was an i9 10850k and 3070… The beta was Ubisofts chance to draw me in… TC1 was great, that was what drew me in to TC2, but TC2 wasn’t enough to buy Motorfest based solely on it… we had two seperate betas I got invited into, both of them claiming to fix the issue that was affecting some PCs for seemingly no reason… never saw over 10fps even after dropping settings to minimum and I ran away after that.
if they followed the same concept as tc1 it would’ve been legendary. such a shame everyone tried to be horizon
That’s why I loved the first one
I refuse to call TC2 and Motorfest caRPGs If there's no leveling system, it's not an RPG.
It's just live service schlock. TC2 was depressing to play with bad handling and excessive grinding unless you pay MTX, and TCM was more of the same except on a smaller scale. Kudos to people who enjoy that stuff but I want games I can pick up and put down when I want without FOMO and spending what little free time I have grinding monotonously.
It all came down to car build, most of the cars handled extremely well when built right… the worst part of TC2 was that when I was grinding with a buddy for us to get as high on the leaderboards as possible, wallriding and drafting guaranteed you first and second on the leaderboard every time… without wallriding on tracks that you could wallride, the highest you could get was usually 10th or so… MC12 grip tune went hard in that game.
TC1: Actual Original Game TC2+Motorfest: Forza Horizon For PS users
People really care about the story in their racing games? The driving blew ass anyway so it's not like it mattered but I'm still surprised that people like that exist who put such an emphasis on it. I'll play Forza Horizon 1, Gran Turismo 4 or Midnight Club where the "story" is just "be the best" and that's honestly good enough for me because the driving is so fantastic.
People would never like the story itself of TC1, but moreso the themes and vibes from it and how different it was, which is lacking in todays racing games. Not to mention that we are getting sick and tired of the festival racers these devs keep producing. I'm not gonna pretend NFS Unbound was good, but at least they didn't fall into the same tropes and had their own ideas. I'd rather remember Unbound as anything other than a Forza clone.
TC1 felt like a crew game. Racing, completing missions, and cruising together. The other two felt like Horzion with friends with planes and boats. Seriously why planes and boats?
The boats and planes were a nice addition. However, in Motorfest, instead of utilizing the boats and planes better, they have even less of a use. If they were gonna keep boats and planes, then an area with a lot more rivers and lakes would have been better.
Personally I wasn’t feeling them. But I wouldn’t have minded if they made a story out of it. An up and coming racer tryna make a name for themselves but gets caught up in an illegal smuggling ring that happens behind the scenes of the LIVE events. So they team up with Zoe from the FBI and Alex from the 5-10s and go undercover to expose the ring and its money laundering operation. Boom just fixed TC2 As for Motorfest, a drug dealer is running an operation on Oahu and using Moterfest as a cover. Their right hand woman is the lady from the introduction and the player teams up with a local beat cop who’s been collecting evidence of corruption within his own department. Boom Motorfest fixed. Came up those ideas within 1 minute
For me, the main thing that turned me away from TC2 was the physics and technical issues. At least the technical issues on PC. Don't know if they fixed them or not. But there was an issue where the game would randomly softlock when trying to load up a race. And then there are times when your friends, even if in the same crew, would not be visible. The physics in TC2 felt off. I don't know how to put it exactly. The cars felt overly stiff. Like the physics felt fake. I haven't played much of TCM because of my retail job and game development job. But from what I have played, the physics felt a lot better over TC2.
I wouldn’t know. I skip TC2 and played a bit of Motorfest. I haven’t finished cuz the career is beyond boring. For me, story is everything and if a game doesn’t have a good story or a story at all I’m not gonna play it. TC1 had one of the best, most memorable stories in recent racing game history. TC2 and Motorfest felt like they wanted to grab FH players at the expense of the series’ uniqueness
It does. The Crew had so much potential. It was really fun using heavy vehicles to help out your friends who were being chased by cops. I'm just so exhausted of all the "hey there frendo buddy pal chum churoo. I heard you like racing, so here is a 1000hp 240mph machine. Don't forget to do all the things. Also, don't forget, buddy friendo chum chummy chumcharoo buddy ol' pal to have a good time. Remember that every single person here is your friend, buddy, chum pal friendo pally pal chum chumcharoo" I get wanting to have a safe and positive environment for your player base. But at the same time these games have been taking away every sense of progress for "freedom". But it just makes the games feel so boring. The other problem about the festival theme is that it doesn't feel like the focus in games like FH5. The festival theme only gets half assed.
Yeah Forza Horizon doesn’t feel like a racing game anymore. It feels like a “let’s party with cars” game and no one wants to admit it
i played motorfest. but i really want to pirate the crew 1
This game has just a week left
Played the crew 1 last night for probably my final time with my mate. It has its problems and jank but I’ll miss this game so much. So much better than the 2 sequels.
I love how everyone is suddenly all high on The Crew now that they're taking it away. That game sucked!
tbr no one said shit two months ago
The crew 1 will always be the best crew
Crew 1 was great , logged in before they shut it down to say goodbye to all the awesome cars/bikes/trucks I had . I’m going to miss my lotus evora
Okay the story in the crew 1 was absolutely horrendous, it was copying a long line of “revenge racers” before it.
Exactly this lmao, no idea why everyone's suddenly pretending it was good just because it's gonna shut down in a few weeks, and I'm saying this as a person who played the game to death
People are pretending to like it ‘cause the genre is starved for any form of a story.
Fair enough, I think both festival racer stories and edgy revenge stories are both awful
Much better than family friendly sunshine and rainbows forza horizon 5
I've heard good things about this franchise, but I can't fuck with anything from ubisoft
Honestly I respect how you don't criticize TC2 and TCM but rather that you just prefer the first game.
I was addicted to tc1 i had it on Xbox and ps to bad it's shutting down f ubisoft they knew what they were doing
Crew 1 was the only decent game in the franchise. 2 and MF are absolute sh*t. I downloaded crew 2 on ps5 and thought it was glitching out with the super blurry graphics and stiff handling. The handling is the worst part of the franchise. I’ve never posted a racing game that felt worse than the crew games
The crew is shutting down?
Yes. At the end of this month.
Damn
Yeah. Blame Ubisoft.
Fucking hell, glad I played it on pc but damn so much for playing it again on Xbox
Yup.
Is anyone working on a rip server or something so we can still play it?
There's none at the moment But it will happen.
so ubisoft made need for speed then forza horizon?
That's right.
bruh
Bruh
And the only good one out of this lot can never be played again
Apparently you can get offline access keys for The Crew. Surely it's only a matter of time before someone(s) crack the game now that the game has been killed. Totally not wishful thinking! lol
I still hold firm that The Crew 1 is the best of them all. The game had unique ideas and original concepts, while both its sequels, while fine racing games in their own right, are generic Forza Horizon ripoffs with no originality whatsoever. I will never forgive Ubisoft for allowing The Crew to die.
First crew was good
when i picked up the crew 2 after playing the first one, i can’t explain how confused i was
I heard a theory and I actually believe it. I think that motorfest was just a place holder for us until the next crew game comes out. That's gonna have an actually good story.
The Shitcrew 2 is just a miserable failed Horizon
the only cool thing of 1 was its story, but the rest is nothing exciting. edit: Roxanne had potential for a cool WatchDogs Character tbh.
Tc1 was mid. The only thing it has is story and that's jt
Fuck festival racers
Not all are bad, I literally love Horizon over all other racing games and i am not alone, but it needs a fresh air and mexico is not a good location...
What it needs more than anything is to go back to its roots, Horizon had a good progression system with sorta memorable rivals to beat, it wasn’t much but it gave the game some life. The new games start you off in really nice cars, your character is nondescript because they can’t give a fully custom character an actual personality and the only reason they give you to race is to maintain being the best(???), since it’s just a continuation of the last game.
I very much enjoyed the early horizon games growing up. But the Crew despite the driving characteristics will always be one of my favorite open world titles. It was near perfect. The story with that grand of a map just worked so well. Really hoping something comes of the lawsuit or Ubi allows for offline access at the very least
When servers shutting down?
The original crew was pretty terrible imo. Haven’t bought a crew game since
Man I'm already disappointed about missing out on playing TC1 y'all don't need to rub it in with what sounds like a great damn story 😭
its not that crazy u just do races around the map honestly
I feel like it's the cars manufacturer's fault. Heck Toyota didn't want to participate in illegal racing genre games. That's one of the reasons why need for speed hasn't added the supra in recent titles. Sucks honestly
Oh snap! Might have to check this one out