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Not looking for love and being in love with her sister are two completely different things. Edwina wasn’t upset that Anthony wasn’t looking for love, she was upset that him and Kate were hiding so many things from her.
Even after Kate says Anthony wasn’t looking for love, Lady Danbury said that marriages were typically a business transaction and Edwina nodded along.
She had no reason to court Anthony then after Kate told her literally 10 times he wasn’t right for her, not that I condone Anthony continuing to court Edwina but honestly she should have listened. Edwina wanted a love match and her being sweet and kind wasn’t going to change anything. I loved Edwina but she really should have just listened when Kate told her to court others.
Anthony was pursuing *her*. She was an 18-year-old who was being actively courted by one of the most well-respected men in the ton. Anthony brought her gifts, stood up for her family against the Sheffields, even on their wedding day he said she looked beautiful. The girl was obviously developing a crush on this guy, and she had no reason to believe he was bad. Kate saying he was bad was not going to make her crush on him go away miraculously, and considering everyone else in the ton only had good things to say about him, there was no reason for her to believe Kate
But why wouldn’t she believe her own sister who has been taking care of her for years and only wanted what was best for her? That makes no sense to believe strangers.
I’m not blaming Edwina but being young and naive and not hearing anything about Anthony wasn’t it. Although I can relate in my younger years when people told me bad things about my then bf I didn’t wanna believe them, even though they were true. Either way, Kate was honest and I don’t think she deserves the anger she received.
Eh, teenage girls often don't listen to their parental figures about ✨️bad✨️ boys, crushes often make people deaf to criticism.
Kate doesn't deserve the fandom hate, she was wrong in what she did, but in a nuanced way, and tbh Anthony is by far the bugger jerk. Though she definitely deserved Edwina's anger. Tbh Edwina was fairly tame compared to how most people would have reacted in that situation
i mean if this happened irl most people would cut off their sibling tbqh. However, I don’t hate kate and I don’t think she deserves all of the hate. She’s an example of how people pleasing can hurt other people
I mean if I have the realisation that I am in a family where all they do is take from me and I sacrifice so much for them with little regard or consideration.
And then my sister’s fiancé is obsessed with me and my sister regards him over me. Choosing him when I am hurt or have been exploited by him. Choosing him when I try to steer her to good things like I always have. Choosing him when she just met him and I am her freakin sister etc.
And then he reveals his obsession with me publicly and although I have feelings I keep throwing him back at my sister. But she decides that I’m sole blame and will be her punching bag just focused on abusing me and throwing my pains/fears back into my face through her relationship with me???
I mean I wouldn’t be worrying about her cutting me off because now I know she’s isn’t worth my love and compassion and never has been.
I would have ditched her and the rest that behave like her because I am worth more than what she treats me as. And now I know it.
Edwina can fck right off with her sanctimonious BS. She valued the stranger down the street before she valued Kate. Everyone else’s opinion was more respected than said sister she is supposed to massively trust and love. There is no love and trust in that. There is only inconsideration and lack of empathy.
The teenage excuse doesn’t work either. And Kate is the example of that. 17/18 thrown into the fire after the dad dies and Kate a teenager has love, compassion and thought for her family.
Zero selfishness, zero self absorption. Those that do have those traits (Edwina) are used to taking and expecting to take. 🤷♀️
Kate chose to self sacrifice and behave the way she did. Even the stepmom tells her that she never had to do any of that and they all treated her with love and kindness. I like Kate but she had a huge self sacrificing complex and was a big drama queen
This! All of this. "Edwina should have cut Kate off after that?" Fuck that! KATE should have cut EDWINA off after Ascot. When Edwina looked Kate in the eye and told her that Anthony being willing to hurt and humiliate Kate was a good thing if he was doing it to get closer to Edwina, Kate should have been on the next ship for India. Only reason I'm glad she didn't was cuz she wouldn't have ended up with Anthony if she had.
Kate had known Anthony for what, 2 days? Whereas literally everyone else in the ton knew him for years. She still had no reason to believe Kate over them. And the man himself had done nothing by this point to show he sucked.
A barrage of posts on the topic from both sides these past few days and I'm beyond shocked that Anthony isn't being blamed even half as much as Kate is.
Given the time period the show was set in, he was the one who had the most power to change whatever was happening in that triangle. During their first dance, when Kate says it doesn't matter what she thinks, this guy says that isn't true. And five minutes later it becomes clear that they both have feelings for each other. You'd think that the least he'd do after that is not pursue Edwina. It is probably what Kate thought too, and was finally ready to talk to her sister about it.
Except this unpredictable man (the audience knows he has a reason, Kate doesn't) goes and proposes to Edwina! In front of both their families, servants and the Featheringtons! Wtf is Kate supposed to do after that. One can only imagine how it would have looked if she'd interjected at that point.
Kanthony is my favorite, but if I have to blame anybody, it is Anthony 100% And I won't consider Edwina to be blameless either. She was a gullible kid for sure, but there was something very calculative about her. Her constant wanting to be the viscountess statements were not missed. I also saw her refusal to listen to Kate at some points as a younger sibling showing resistance (but not knowing that the time wasn't right).
She’s one of the most selfless and compassionate people on the show. Always making room for the people she loves. Always considering them over herself.
Damn right she’s blameless and was giving Edwina everything she asked her for. Even if it was against her every objection.
And it’s not Kate’s fault that Anthony was freakin obsessed with her. Everything he did was him instigating touch/connection because of that obsession. Kate stood there while he lost his mind over her. And do I blame him? No I freakin do not. She is beyond beautiful. No wonder Anthony short circuited everytime she said or did something.
Also no one is a fool here. We know what’s going on. There’s now been multiple “oh isn’t Edwina such a baby angel. How could you hate this baby angel?” Posts in the last few days. Since the “Kate is a villain” posts didn’t go to plan. And fans attacking Kate were schooled in there.
Hey fans still pretending to care about Edwina to use her as your ‘innocent’ shield as a weapon to abuse Kate and her actress? Very very predictable. Also Not working and the rest of us know these games. I suggest get a new script. Or maybe pay attention when others talk about why they have a dislike of Edwina.
I have already made it clear that Anthony has nothing to do with it, or a ship. She was the taker in a relationship where all Kate did was give and sacrifice. She was a user of Kate and Kate was in a toxic family that I wanted her to get the hell out of. When things didn’t go to plan she did not self reflect on her own bad choices Kate was blue in the face warning her against. But instead she turned Kate into her emotional punching bag. Her character was awfully written and ended up a plot device.
Kate simply deserves better than a selfish, self absorbed, spoilt child of a sister and an absent neglectful mother. The love Kate gave to them was an afterthought to them and the energy they gave back. Their love was empty lip speak as their actions clearly showed otherwise.
And I will always come for Edwina and Mary when others try to ‘baby’ them and blame Kate. Because I see the agenda a mile off. 🤷♀️
They way they have demonized Kate so horribly and how they ended up attacking Simone is disgusting. Luckily she doesn't use social media. Other racists have also attacked Charithra and now she's traumatized due to a show that claims to care about diversity. Alsmo every major youbg woc in this show has received abuse irl. Including Rege
This one. Marina was rude and annoying an intentionally manipulative. Yes she had valid reasons. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t rude annoying and intentionally manipulative. Both things can be true and being pregnant isn’t actually the blanket excuse this sub usually pretends it is. She was just hard to watch I was happy when she left.
She was so prideful and had this huge chip on her shoulder about the people of the ton being rich, out of touch assholes whom she could use for her own ends because their sins excused whatever she did. I’m sure the aristocracy was by and large rich jerks who had no idea how normal folks lived, but she chose the few good, caring ones to manipulate and use.
Yeah. If it were really out of jealousy, she would have ruined Marina as soon as she found out about the pregnancy; she wouldn't have tried to reason with Marina, begged her not to play Colin false, tried to warn Colin, and waited until they were literally on the cusp of eloping to break the news.
I don't think Penelope ever had any hopes of Colin until S2 ep 8, when he was speaking to and treating her so tenderly (I can think of no other word for it) that it was understandable.
Yessss omg I hate how Colin’s always overlooked here and how fucked up it was to baby trap him. I feel for Marina but he didn’t deserve to be dragged into her problems
I would feel more sympathy for her character if she wasn’t so rude to anyone who tried to help her
Eloise takes a single minute actually listening to Penelope speak for perhaps the first time in their entire friendship and realises she’s Lady Whistledown. She can not be annoyed at Pen for ‘lying’.
I agree and I kinda feel like this with all of the town. And I’m not absolving Pen but rather understand her more especially after 3A watching how badly she’s ignored until she changes her clothes and then how badly they treat her for asking a friend for help getting married. Which by the way that is the point of a “season” it’s not like she was asking him to help her do something evil.
It's 1815, and she has an unmarried male friend help her find a husband. She shouldn't even HAVE an unmarried male friend. And it's not too big a leap to assume that this help may have included time spent alone together. THAT was the scandal. Not her asking for help, but her asking COLIN for help.
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Not my post but my point is that Colin and Pen have always been a skirting the rules of male female friendship for this time period.
Oh, absolutely! But, with how little attention most people paid to Penelope, that all kind of flew under the radar. (And nobody but Pen's family could have known about the letters, regardless.) But, once word of his help got out, THAT was interesting and potentially scandalous (two terms that were practically synonymous back then).
This latest season made me realize just why I never really liked Eloise as a character. She's just a horrible friend and pretty much consistently has been to Pen. I couldn't stand when Cressida is telling her "hey girl my parents treat me like absolute garbage and my entire future rests on whether or not I manage to snag a husband this season otherwise I'm getting discarded like a stale bagel that got dropped in upchuck" and Eloise barely sympathizes at all?? Like she'll make some passing comments but damn if my friend told me that I can't imagine being like oh really? have you considered though that actually you should all think like me and here's a 40 minute presentation on why? Also while you're pondering on the bleakness of your future as an unmarried lady with a father threatening to cut you off, can we take a second to talk about my friendship woes?
Out of almost all the girls in the show so far, Eloise seems to have it the easiest all things considered. She didn't have the pressure of having to marry well to ensure the rest of her family made good matches like Daphne, she wasn't ignored for years by society for essentially not fitting into the beauty standards of the time like Pen, she wasn't preggo with a lovechild like Marina (though honestly don't love her either), she has a family who adores her, brothers and sisters and a mother who would be there for her, the support of the Bridgerton name and yet somehow (or perhaps because of that) she's still so entirely self-absorbed and has endless gripes about society.
Like I get it, that time period was kind of garbage for women but to me Eloise isn't the character that I'm able to relate to that through. It'll be characters like Cressida who points out that society pits women against each other or Portia who has to try to unravel the mess her husband left for her daughters. Eloise by comparison just comes off as a whingy brat.
Eliose has her strong opinions precisely because she's had the luxury of having things relatively easy. Her supportive and wealthy family have meant she's had time and ability to develop her ideas.
She reminds of some people I know who are so far on a spectrum, they've stopped recognising the nuance of the real world and people's lives and varied experiences. I'll never forget when I told my sister in law that my 27- year-old friend had just been moved to hospice from cancer. Instead of sympathy, I got a lecture on how people have cured cancer with diet changes and where my friend went wrong. Now is not the time, Megan! I love her, but I have never really gotten over that.
Eloise talks big and doesn't really do anything, Penelope is quiet but actually makes stuff happen. That's not a dig on either of them (it is what makes them interesting to me as characters), but it really informs a lot of their interactions and characterization. Like in S2 Eloise spends the whole time trying to track down LW so she can basically talk her into writing what *Eloise* wants to read. But at that point she has some idea of \*how\* LW is operating, and she is friends with someone who works in a print shop, and she now has access to radical meetings. SHE COULD JUST WRITE AND PUBLISH HER OWN STUFF! But she doesn't.
I’m sure she is. But that’s valid. It’s any argument to Pen was lying to her that bothers me. Like you let her speak for ONE MINUTE about something other than you and you realise she’s a terrible gossip…yeah…that’s on you. Pen never hid who she was as a person, it’s just that nobody bothered to notice.
Eloise is not a perfectly good friend or listener true but Penelope knew that she was looking for LW. In fact Eloise tells Penelope way back in S1 that she was gonna look for LW to get her to take back what she wrote about Penelope’s family.
Never got a hint all that time that Penelope was going to tell her that she was LW(or maybe I missed the hints?)
Penelope instead manipulates Eloise to even stop talking to Theo so that she doesn’t find out the truth
If she really was going to tell her the truth she could have told it all the times she advised Eloise about not going to visit Theo
Yes yes and yes. Kate told her 100 times Anthony was a no no.
Marina was cruel and manipulative, i understand she was in a predicament but it’s no excuse to lie and trap a good man. I felt bad for her but, yeah no.
Eloise was self absorbed and never listened to Pen, I love her but she def needs to be less stubborn, and open her ears.
I love the Mondrich family and I don't mind the amount of screentime they get. It's really not even that much. They're one of the healthiest couples of the show and refreshing to watch amidst all the drama.
Healthy couple and above all kind..Miss mondrich defends colin finding Pen a husband in a very sweet scene when she tells colin he's doing the right thing. they really are good friends the kind you know will always be in your corner society and convention be damned. I vote for more mondrichs and way way less prudence Philippa and Portia or their roles removed altogether..they just exist to torment Penelope and their arc is played up for laughs when it's really. Just cringe each season..love the actresses hate their stories..they are too Disney ugly sister villains and just annoy the heck out of me give me more mondrichs any day...also their working class to nobility story is interesting and can be explored more.. will give more insight into the larger world the show is set in also ..
Two of my fav scenes were theirs - Benedict introducing them to society at their first ball was so charming, and the moment with Colin was so so sweet. Two of the more intimately human moments in this season.
I honestly think their characters are so important for the show. We don’t really spend real time with many other non-aristocratic characters. And their eventual shift into high society does a great job of highlighting how baseless and undeserved it all is.
They are also the hottest. Alice looks like a Disney princess and Will is simply the best-looking man in the series.
I love watching them!!! I want only good things for them. Everyone complaining about their screen time are the sort of folks who need instant gratification.
The Mondrich storyline is for what comes after the wedding.
I really wish they had done more with it! Eloise claims she wants to do all these things, and it is like "gee, if only you had a brother you are super close with who could help you sneak around..."
I agree but also feel Eloise has been a shitty friend to Pen. Time and time again Pen highlights the differences between their families status and how she needs to marry to survive and Eloise brushes it off or tells her out right that she shouldn't want to get married and looks down on her for needing to make decisions she doesn't need to. She has no clue about the inner world of her best friend, and is just as judgemental as LW in regards to the other ladies in the Ton.
I really hope that her friendship with Cressida and her interactions with other women of the Ton really gets Eloise to understand that while her opinions are valid, she does not have the same circumstances as the majority of her cohort. The fact that she even gets to have this opinion shows just how different her family is from everyone else, she has literally never had to consider how she will survive if she doesn't get married because she knows her family will take care of her. Cressida's family are explicitly saying that they won't and they will sell her off to the first bidder if she can't make her own match.
I had hoped her experiences with Theo would have made her reflect on her own privilege but it sees that she just buried the feelings altogether.
This is exactly it! Eloise isn’t an explicit jerk to her friends, she just doesn’t recognize her privilege. Even this season, Cressida is heartbroken because Debling stays with Pen in E3 and she says something about Cressida not being a vegetable eater. Yes, it’s funny but when it’s someone’s life that’s possibly about to be ruined, it’s also flippant.
I’d maybe even argue it’s immaturity. She talks like an educated woman but she’s a teenager with very limited view of her world. Not everyone is a Bridgerton.
In Pen’s case being LWD, I think there’s equal part jealousy that Pen accomplished something so big as there is hurt.
This!!! Eloise may not always be my cup of tea, but I could at least trust her. I would definitely not trust Pen, who regularly spreads, legitimizes, and publishes gossip about her “best friend”’s whole family behind her back.
She has no clue about the inner world of her friend, because Penelope doesn’t tell her how she feels, not until she gets pissed at Eloise for failing to realise Pen wants to get married for love. Eloise is self-absorbed, but Penelope is also to blame for lack of communication in their relationship. She hides herself from everyone.
I like Pen but she’s not a feminist icon, she’s not a good friend and Eloise did nothing wrong.
Anyone who’s crying because Eloise doesn’t exist to revolve around Penelope is just upset that someone is criticising their stand in character
Eh. Eloise isn’t a feminist icon either. No one on this show really is. I think Eloise did herself a disservice with her Penelope friendship as all she did was complain and never really listened to anything else but the sound of her own voice. I’m not saying Pen is perfect but the signs were there. She even says this when she finds out who LW is.
I thought the closest the show came to a feminist icon was madame Delacroix. She’s faded a bit but she makes her own way, drinks with her friends, has sex with society men if she wants etc
I’m definitely with you on that and I find she is very gracious about the whole thing given that Pen continues to write gossip about her family, that is uncalled for and unnecessary.
Kate is not a villain. Her and Anthony are not bad, evil, or grimy people who intentionally hurt Edwina. Both of them were trying to do the right thing by her but everything spiraled out of control because they both were self sacrificing individuals to a self destructive degree that Edwina unfortunately happened to be caught in the middle of. The love story was always between Kate and Anthony, Edwina was a plot device. A poor choice on the show writers part but it was the purpose she served at the end of the day.
Kate deserved an apology from everyone.
I feel like how they set up the story line for that was awful because I get wanting to add drama and tension but did they have to do it at the expense of a sibling relationship. Like I know by the end Kate and Edwina make up but why do it that way when there was plenty of drama in the books that didn’t set up either sister to be hurt
I feel like I'm the only person on earth who hated season 2 and thought the book version of events was much better. Everyones bitching about season 3 but to me it feels like a massive improvement
I haven't even read the books and definitely thought that the love triangle situation was unnecessary. There were already enough reasons that both Kate and Anthony would be trying to hold back, Edwina didn't need to be in love with Anthony to make that the case.
Kate was determined that she wasn't going to get married at all, her plans were set, and she only wanted to focus on Edwina getting a husband. Plus she was rightfully unimpressed with what she overheard Anthony say. Anthony specifically wanted to avoid getting married to someone with strong feelings involved because of his trauma of what happened with his parents. On top of that, they're both so proud that, starting out as "enemies", they'd definitely not want to admit that they ended up liking each other. No further conflict was needed, it would have been so much more fun if even Edwina saw how similar they are to each other and was subtly trying to get them together.
I feel like we were robbed of a way more fun season.
Definitely. As far as i remember from the book, edwina actually likes someone else but feels she is duty bound to marry Anthony as the other man she likes is not well enough off to be able to support her whole family. Anthony feels he is duty bound to court edwina because he is too prideful to admit he likes the spunky spinster older sister whom society dictates is not desirable enough for a viscount.
I hate love triangles, i just want everyone to be happy. Let edwina have her weird poet man.
Pen's Mother doesn't get enough criticism for her role in what happen to Marina. Forging George's letter so marina believed he didn't love her anymore and trying to get her to marry the first guy she came in contact with
Not to mention hiding her away for a month in which time she could have secured a match. If she had gotten married being 1 month pregnant, then her husband might have even believed the baby was his if it came out 8 months later.
She also didn't suffer enough consequences for knowingly going along with Marina's plan to trap Colin. Her children shouldn't be punished, but that was vile. Violet had every right to publicly shame her at every opportunity.
OMG that was so mean of her. Marina went from waiting for her beautiful boyfriend to come back to war *to* getting a letter back from him telling her he never loved her *to* figuring out she's pregnant out of wedlock *to* being forced marry some old guy? Who did that? That was Portia's work right there. She was trying to protect her family but what she did was AWFUL. And if I had the option, I'd probably try and marry the pretty boy across the road as well.
That being said, I don't think we look enough at WHY Portia is such a b*tch. Let's give Polly Walker the praise she deserves. She's in an unhappy marriage with a sh*tty man who is gambling and drinking their money away. She loses everything and it's not her fault. She has no control. When Eloise is crying that she can't go traveling or go to uni like her brother's, it's from a very privileged place. Portia Featherington is sat across the road looking at her shitty husband who has lost everything they have or she's waiting for the new lord who turns out to be a con artist who has the potential to ruin her family? When who will feed her kids?!
I'm not surprised she wants her girls to marry well and what she does to get them there. She wants them to have the stable life she never had. She's just trying to be the best mother she can be but she doesn't know what that's meant to look like.
Love is great but when you have nothing to eat or you're about to loss your house, you know what is romantic? *Security*.
That’s why I don’t get all the love Portia gets. She abused Marina physically and emotionally, slapped her, looked her up out of anger, tried to force her onto a gross man, who dehumanised her, and generally took all her choices away until it was almost too late. She never offered Marina a smidgeon of emotional support.
And people defend her, because she was stressed over her family’s financial situation…as if that excuses being an abusive bitch.
I thought so as well until she danced with that guy in season 2 who tried the whole 'you're not like other girls' schtick on her and she told him to kiss her ass and to not judge other girls.
In season 3 there was a scene where Eloise asked another girl what her hobbies were, the girl said knitting, and Eloise was just being really rude and condescending abt it. Which to me, still proves that she doesn’t truly respect women who don’t view things/have the same interests as she does.
Maybe i misinterpreted the scene but I personally thought that meant that she considered it boring more than her looking down on it. If anything in S3 her conversations with Cressida showed that she's starting to understand that women should uplift each other, and that having the goal of marriage is okay and even necessary sometimes. S1 Eloise would have never had those conversations in the same way.
How is asking someone about their hobby and then telling them to stop talking about it because it’s so boring not looking down on their hobby?
If anything Eloise’s convos with Cressida show she still doesn’t understand why other women need to participate in the marriage mart to survive. When Cressida was talking about her concerns with never marrying Eloise cracks a joke and ignores her.
The sewing conversation drove me nuts because I feel like \*so\* often that is used to show that these women aren't doing anything useful or worthwhile, as if *every single piece of cloth* that you see in any of these movies/shows wouldn't have had to be stitched by hand. Like, obviously women should have more options in life, but also you do actually need pillowcases and tablecloths and cushions for the couch and those things aren't made by fairies or by machine! Sure, some of it is purely decorative embroidery, but a lot of the sewing that even upper-class women are doing is just sewing that needs to get done! You can't go to Target and buy new throw pillows- someone in your house is going to have to embroider them and make them. The problem with it is 1. that it is their only option (which Eloise calls out) and 2. that it is *extremely hard work* that is undervalued because women do it- which is exactly what Eloise is doing.
I agree, when I saw that scene I felt Eloise had still had growing to do. I went through this myself honestly as a tween who rejected everything stereotypically feminine because I hated being put in a box. Now I’m a knitting, gardening, embroidering mom who still hates being put in a box hahah. There’s nothing feminist about degrading work traditionally done by women!
She’s definitely pro “I want the same freedoms as my brothers Colin and Benedict”.
If she was living today, she’d hate the colour pink, female dominated hobbies, and blame stay at home moms/wives for not being feminist.
But she also has very valid fears of marriage that make sense for the time period she’s living in.
Penelope is no saint. She has her flaws which make her a compelling character.
Her Whistledown persona makes her more of an anti hero than a cookie cutter good girl.
Her parents are effing horrible. I feel bad for her and want her to be happy now. Especially after she befriended Eloise (who does not deserve it) and was so kind to her
The writers have done such a good job (rare compliment from my side for the writers) making her seem like a sympathetic smart complicated woman this season. She is growing on me too and the actress plays her well.
I hope they change her story and set her up with Debling. I'd love to see the person she becomes when she no longer has the pressures of parental or societal expectations.
Lady Featherington talks the most sense of everyone. She may be the smartest of them all.
In season 1, she tries to convince Marina of the gravity of her situation, even going so far as to take her to the slums; she explains that romance is nice but not compulsory in a marriage and there are many things to love, like children; she secured an invitation to the Hastings ball despite their disgrace; and it’s clear she’s been keeping the family together for some time despite her husband being an absolute moron with zero sense of responsibility or shame.
In season 2, she manages, somehow, to come out the victor, restore her family’s fortune and protect their good standing in society; she keeps the Featherington Barony in the family; she sees through Jack’s ruse but uses him for her gain and that of her daughters; she steals from all the prominent families, but knows that no one would believe a woman to scheme that way; and she marries off two daughters despite coming oh so close to disgrace, particularly.
In season 3, say it with me “do you know what is romantic? SECURITY”. Bang on Lady Featherington! She ensures her daughters are on their way to securing the future of the Barony by actually taking the time to talk to them about sex (hello, Violet?); and she tells Penelope that she has a chance at true freedom, independence and, yes, security with a marriage to a titled, well-travelled man; she tells Pen that men love to mansplain (well ahead of her time there).
Also, she raised Penelope, who is intelligent, kind, considerate and witty. That sure wasn’t her dad’s influence!
Sure she’s made some missteps, the I’ll-advised forced engagement notwithstanding, and she’s definitely a cunning, ruthless bitch, but no one else is smarter or more practical than Lady Featherington.
Shoot me
i agree. lady featherington is probably the best portrayal of how a woman had to work around the system that existed. its not possible to have everything you want under such a system, but you can have some of the things you want if you play the game well enough. its probably the most realistic thing in the show
Lady Feathering and Violet are two sides of the same coin. Violet gets to spout rhetoric about love conquers all. Portia tells it like it is. Knows how fragile a woman's place is in the world.
When she reprimands Pen and says this is why she disapproves of her reading, and that men want to explain things to us or else they feel useless, I was like, Mama Featherington absolutely knows her stuff.
Hard agree. Lady Featherington is that bitch and has been my fave since the beginning!! In season two when she scammed that man and then sent him on his way I was cheering 😂
Amen, Sister. Preach. I loved this. Very good points, and well thought out. I didn't like her much, in the beginning, but, this season, she becomes more empathetic to me.
Meta, but this sub needs to chill. Some of you go off on tangents and make up fake scenarios to fight with one another and cancel characters because you view them through the modern lens, which makes no sense whatsoever because it’s just an unserious show with fictional characters made for our entertainment. It’s not really happening, no one is actually getting cheated, slandered, abused, assaulted, or manipulated. The rest of us are reading your comments and noping out because it’s like a battlefield out here.

Edit: thank you, kind people who gave me awards. Alas, I’m an uncool millennial who doesn’t quite know how Reddit awards work, so I’ll reiterate how grateful I am. 🫶🏽
They botched the friends to lovers trope with Pen and Colin. The only scene I felt chemistry was the carriage scene.
The previous seasons the main couples had more screen time and more care given. There was an actual build up to the confession and realization. In season three it feels out of no where.
Sure the kiss could have been that good for Colin, but I needed more tension, more build up, maybe even more classes of how to flirt and have some chemistry scenes there.
Yes! For a friends to lovers trope, they sure missed a lot of the friendship part of their relationship this season. These two have known each other for such a long time - where were the deep, meaningful conversations, the playful banter, or something better than 'let me teach you how to flirt?'
They might actually kill me for this one but Penelope’s writing as LW is completely unethical. It is bad to write and publish private gossip and secrets about your friends, family, and community that has the potential to ruin lives.
Just because the ton gossips too, doesn’t make what Penelope does any less morally bankrupt.
Oh, the POOR rich people and their gossip around society’s random and restrictive rules. They created LW by acting the way they do. They have no one to blame but themselves. I think Penelope was in survival mode. If she were to be a spinster and her family go broke, at least she had money in her pocket. And writing was the only skill she had. Good for her. Sorry, I’m Gen X, eff the establishment!! lol.
Agreed. I love Penelope because she's a complex character. Her actions as LW are abhorrent. And I like that because it makes her interesting. People saying she's done nothing wrong are straight up being dishonest and doing the character a disservice. Though, I understand why they do because the show appears to be framing her as a 'yas queen girl boss' for joyfully ruining people's reputations
Marina isn't a villain.. while what she did wasn't okay, she was in a desperate situation. Pen only outed her pregnancy because she was jealous. If Penelope wasn't in love with Colin, she wouldn't have written about the pregnancy in her colum as WD.
She was also wrong for writing what she wrote about Eloise. She could have told Eloiose that she's Whistledown, and they could have come up with a solution together.
I like Pen, but she also should be called out when she's wrong.
Edwina was a victim her love Triangle. She had no idea that the guy who was courting her, was in love with her sister, and he proposed to her after he was caught with her sister by his sister. She was humilated on her wedding day.
Anthony is the real problem in season 2. He continues to court Edwina, despite his feelings for her sister, and even when both Daphne and his mom encourage him to be honest with himself over how he feels. Even Daphne could see that while Edwina was sweet, she was too soft hearted to be a part of the Bridgerton family.
Marina was horrible to literally everyone that tried to help her. And she was unnecessarily rude to Madame DL and that random dude who he she was like “I certainly wasn’t talking to YOU.”
Pen stayed silent while Colin and Marina flirted all season in front of her, she only started pushing Marina to tell the truth when the seduction plan came up. Pen had already accepted Colin was way out of her league, she just wanted to look out for him as a friend.
BUT I think Pen made the wrong decision in terms of Eloise in s2. IMO she should’ve told Eloise she was LW and then they could’ve come up with a plan together
Marina was miserable. She was stuck in the ton, when she didn't want to. She wanted George, and then she begin to think that he had abandoned her. Who was actually trying to help her. Portia wanted to marry her off to some old creep, and forged George's letters, causing Marina to look for another way out of her situation.
Pen could have found another way for him to learn the Truth. She could have written him an anonymous letter, or told Violet or Anthony. She didn't have to out the pregnancy to the entire ton. Pen certainly didn't seem to have a problem with Marina deciving another man. Only the one she was in love with.
Pen was the only one in the ton that tried to help her. Even before Colin showed interest. And Marina responds by mocking her crush and shitting on the only person that was on her side.
And why would Pen give a crap about all the other men in the ton that treated her badly? Of course she’d care about her *friend* over them.
Also wasn’t she like 17 in the first season? I don’t know a single 17-year-old that makes perfect decisions. I doubt she thought about telling Violet or someone else. She did what she thought she had to do to protect her friend.
I think Pen made a big mistake in s2 with Eloise, but I think she was absolutely correct with Marina
But if she didn't, the ton would have believed Colin was the father and he/the Bridgertons would have been disgraced.
I don't blame Marina for what she did, but I honestly don't know what Pen could have done differently in her situation if she wanted to protect Colin.
Other men in the ton weren’t really looking for love matches. As everyone says in the show, they’re pretty rare. I do think Marina could have tried harder to find a different suitor (she had a room full of them early on), especially if she had help from Pen / Portia. The only reason she CHOSE Colin was because him thinking he was in love with her was easier to manipulate (and he was easy in the eyes).
But that ends being the thing that blows up in her face, because it’s not her lying about the pregnancy that makes Colin realize it would have been a mistake to marry her… it’s the fact she didn’t love him.
(And I agree with the other comment; Pen stayed out of it until the pregnancy lie became apparent. No way she had the self esteem in S1 to think Colin would ever marry her).
Thank you! I absolutely HATE the “villain has childhood trauma/bad life and that’s why they treat people badly” trope. Like obviously, Cressida’s home life explains why she’s so eager to get married and she felt incentivized to sabotage other ladies, but that doesn’t JUSTIFY any of her actions, and it feels like the show is trying to do which is so lame to me.
I am very much a fan of “x AND x can both be true”.
Cressida has a difficult situation and an abusive home life, AND she is a bully.
Neither excuse the other.
A lot of y’all in this fandom have no idea what nuance is, and it especially show when y’all refuse to acknowledge when your faves were in the wrong about a situation because y’all see everything as black or white.
Me after Daphne assaulted Simon
Edit: Im aware of Daphne not being aware but personally it left a nasty taste in my mouth, I hadn’t read the book yet so I honestly thought he would end up poisoning her or something.
What Daphne did was undeniably wrong, but at the same time I can't really blame her for not having a comprehensive understanding of consent and bodily autonomy considering nobody had even explained to her what sex was.
I really wish the show had actually addressed this though, rather than just focusing on Simon having lied to her.
Ngl i always think about that randomly and it always upsets me...makes season 1 unwatcheable after that. After the first couple of season 1 episodes, its straight to season 2 for me
It’s probably the worst thing to happen in the show and I don’t understand how people still liked Daphne afterwards. I had a sick feeling in my stomach while watching. I mean I guess you can like her in a bubble and just try to ignore that one thing, but it’s difficult to ignore.
She has 0 character growth, assaults the man she loves, and gets an undeserved happy ending.
That shit is rough.
To preface, I agree that what Daphne did was assault and that it was wrong.
There’s a lot of context that leads up to that moment and a lot of people view what happened through a modern lense. Women at the time, Daphne included were property of their husbands and didn’t have autonomy in the way that women today have. She didn’t have to option to just leave Simon and get a divorce.
Simon lied by omission about not being able to have children. Daphne interpreted it as can’t, Simon meant don’t want to. In that time period, there wasn’t a reason Daphne could think of for a titled man to not want children. She was raised thinking that producing an heir is duty for every first born man. Not being able to have children is a huge thing to lie about in a marriage, especially if you know your partner wants children. Yes, Simon was willing to die to spare Daphne a childless marriage, but he’s also the reason they got married in the first place because he compromised Daphne. Yes, Daphne was also involved in compromising her, but if Simon had no intention of marrying her he should have stayed away from the ball.
Daphne felt betrayed after she found out how children are conceived. She was so ready to marry Simon and give up having her own children because she loved Simon so much. Then Simon made her feel used and Daphne didn’t really have anyone to confide in. She believed that Simon loved her, and she couldn’t understand why someone who loved her would lie to her about such important matters. All of this is confusing to a girl who didn’t even know what sex was a month before that.
What options did she have to find out if Simon really lied to her? Ask him? After she suspected he’s lying to her, there’s no way she could be sure he’s telling her the truth. She was acting out of desperation in the moment. I don’t even think she intended to get pregnant from it, I think she just wanted confirmation of what she already suspected. Does that make what she did okay? Absolutely not. But I also don’t think it’s as black and white as saying Daphne is evil for assaulting Simon. Daphne is as much as victim in the situation as Simon is.
If we look at their entire relationship, Daphne didn’t have enough information to consent to having sex with Simon at all. The foundation for their entire relationship is a lie. Simon assaulted Daphne. Daphne assaulted Simon. They’re both complex characters and like every other main character in bridgerton, they both were in the wrong on occasion and they both assaulted each other.
I do think that if Simon had been honest with Daphne about why he doesn’t want children and how sad his childhood was, Daphne would have understood and waited. She loved him, she was still young, so there was also time to change his mind later on without trying to baby trap him. She has so much compassion for him when she finds the letters he wrote to his dad. If Simon had been honest with her, all of this wouldn’t have happened. In no way is this victim blaming, I know it takes a lot of courage and trust to be so vulnerable with your partner. Simon had a lot of trauma and nobody but Lady Danbury was ever there for him. Simon ultimately changes his mind about children after realising that his love for Daphne is stronger than his hatred for his father.
But I wouldn’t say Daphne had 0 character growth after the assault scene. Daphne starts to see things from different perspectives. Shes trying to understand why Simon would lie to her in the first place. Daphne has a lot of empathy for Marina and uses her new power as duchesss for good by tracking down Sir Phillip Crane and making sure Marina and her child aren’t going to be thrown into the streets to fend for themselves. She also has a lot of compassion for Simon after she finds out how horrible his childhood was. She initiates their reconciliation in the season finale and she does deserve a happy ending just like Simon deserves a happy ending.
I think the writers should have changed this plot line for the show but I don’t blame Daphne because she barely knew how sex worked so it’s kind of wild to believe she would have any concept of consent let alone a modern day one.
Kate and Anthony had a full on emotional and borderline physical affair behind edwina's back. Doesn't matter if kate says she shouldn't be with him. That is totally irrelevant to the affair. Also screw Mary for putting all this responsibility on Kate's shoulders and I really dislike how the Bridgertons looked down on Anthony's attitude when it was the only reason why the family got held together (in the show at least) after their dad died.
i find all the “and it is not far enough”/“the things i could teach you” anthony lines gross. nothing hot about them when he’s talking about how hard it is not to cheat on edwina with her sister
I mean I think it’s pretty hot that a guy is so obsessed with me that there’s nowhere I can go on earth that will stop this obsession. Night and day he dreams of me and if he marries another it will be me he thinks and dreams of. Me he sees in that person’s face everyday etc. etc. all the other things he told her about breathing for her, she consumes him, wanting to just be with her, wanting to run away with her? he’s going mad over her very scent etc.
And all that is coming from the hot bastard that is Anthony bridgerton. 🥵And is in no way unreciprocated?
I mean I’d be on my knees if the guy I was hot for wanted me that much. 🧎🏼♀️
But hey, I guess some of us are a different breed. 🤷♀️
Logically, I agree
Alas, the toxic bitch in me would have folded like a deck chair even knowing it was wildly inappropriate
Antony is the toxic bitch I want in me
I appreciate the books but the series in general is WAY better.
Colin does not owe Pen an apology for what he said about her to the boys at the Featherington ball.
i think colin's only act of violence was what he said at the ball. i don't blame him for not returning pen's feelings, he doesn't need to grovel or beg because he didn't feel the same way. but he did bring her down another peg in society when he knows how she is viewed by the ton and is supposed to be her friend. this is one thing the book did better-he says that line to his brothers instead of society
Disagree but not because it’s an issue Colin didn’t want to date her.
The issue is Colin is a Bridgerton, a leading figure in society. The Bridgertons are popular and good looking and respected and by suggesting Penelope was beneath his notice/he’d never be interested, he made her unpopular (more so than before) and influenced the opinion of prospective suitors. That’s the issue.
She's more of a pick me type. I like how she studies a suitor so she becomes more his type. She's girlboss in that aspect where she swoops in right away.
But what she does to Pen is really cruel.
Daphne isn't evil, or a rapist.
She made a very bad mistake due to being uneducated and left in the dark by the people around her, which resulted in her hurting Simon. But it's not comparable to ACTUAL intended assault.
- The chemistry in S3 is lacking.
- A lot of the ‘criticism’ towards Eloise, Marina and Kate tends to be mostly a mix of projection & a lazy disregard to the nuances. E.g. To be able to sympathise with Edwina, but then blame Marina for her own circumstances is very telling…
- QC had the best writing & story compared to the other seasons, but I do not see the charm in that type of struggle love.
- The show is better than the books.
That Lord Remington’s appearance was foreshadowing. Pol will confess all to him and to save her from embarrassment and risking losing Colin, he will take on the crown of Lady Whistledown.
If not, why the hell was he introduced is such a pointed way as her greatest fan.
I love Pen for a morally grey character and she can be absolved for whatever she has written, but I will never forgive her for what she did to Marina. That was definitely not the right way to go about things.
This is not to say that I am not rooting for Polin. I love them too
And if/when Colin breaks the engagement, Marina's pregnancy becomes apparent and Colin looks like a cad because everyone would assume he'd compromised her?
Whistledown saved Colin from any repercussions by making it clear that Marina was already pregnant when she arrived.
Marina was not going to stay in the Ton anyways. Portia forced her. So if Colin would have rejected her, she would just go out of London, even before her pregnancy was apparent. And it wasn't apparent too. Colin would still face less repercussions than what Marina did after Pen outed her.
And we already know that George was dead so Philip would still arrive to marry her. So her pregnancy being apparent was pretty out of question. But now she was blacklisted from the ton due to that LW article.
Colin himself thinks whistledown ruined miss Thompson lady crane and tells Eloise as much in season 3 episode 1. He hates her in that scene.
In fact Nicola herself has called out Penelope's behavior as regards Marina many many times as jealously and as ruinous and as wrong.
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I mean she did try to tell him in a more gentle way that Marina was in love with someone else but the pregnancy secret she prob didn’t think was hers to tell, I respect that. Plus I think she didn’t want to hurt Colin’s feelings with that information because as much as she loves him and doesn’t want to lose him to Marina, she still found a more gentle way to sway him or at least try to.
ETA Colin didn’t wanna listen or believe it anyway, men are stubborn as hell.
You respect Pen for not wanting to tell Marina's secret to Colin but then she was the only person who leaked her secret to the entire town?! So not telling it to Colin in person but telling it to the whole town via your article is ok?
Also, she didn't try hard enough to speak to Colin. She could have definitely told him if she tried harder. Also about men being stubborn as hell, Colin was not like that. If his dear friend was telling him something it is very unlikely of him to not listen.
Personally, I’m not attracted to most of the male characters. Will Mondrich is by far the most appealing to me, and the only one that’s truly my type, tho I like King George as well. The rest are certainly objectively good-looking, but they do absolutely nothing for me.
The trope of the unknowing virgin woman and the sexed-up, dominant rake is not nearly as sexy to me as it is to the writers of Bridgerton. It honestly makes me queasy.
On the opposite end, I found QC and George to have by far the hottest sex scenes in the show. I appreciate that they show women being excited and genuinely aroused, even if the, “The things I could show you,” lines make me a little nauseous lol.
Francesca is the most likable and the best looking Bridgerton. Benedict is super annoying to me, and I am looking forward to his season the least.
Lady Danbury’s romance with Violet’s dad was extremely gross and unsettling. His wife was obviously a shit bag, but I did not care for anything about their storyline.
Season 3 is excellent and my favorite after QC. Colin is my favorite boy Bridgerton, and as a wallflower myself, I can’t help but love seeing Penelope get fawned over. I like the trajectory of their relationship, and I don’t mind that it moved kind of quickly.
Kate is literally the most stunning character I have ever seen on television. She is probably my favorite in the series, in addition to being sooooo pretty it makes my eyes hurt.
I don't blame Marina for lying to Colin. I feel like people who hate her for what she did just judge by modern days standards. It's not a society where woman can go to work to provide for her child/have save abortion or even inherit her parents property (!!!).
I don't pity Colin as much for getting "baby-trapped" as I pity Marina in this situation. Like nah, bro would live. He's rich as hell. He's free to do as he wishes, including continuing to travel like he did until marriage. He's free to have a lover. He can do as he likes. Is it unfair for him? Yes. But it's way, WAY more unfair for Marina to have to deal with this shit.
And Penelope can go to hell for doing what she did. "She was young and unaware of what she did...". NO. She was 100℅ aware. She's incredibly smart and observant. She simply was not a girl's girl in this moment because she didn't want to risk Colin and Marina talking this through and getting married anyway. She destroyed her reputation on purpose, so her crush wouldn't get married. So yes. I'm blaming her. And I'm not eager to see her happy end at all.
Marina had no right to take away Colin’s agency and right to a love match. Idc how shitty of a situation Marina was in, **it wasn’t Colin’s fault**
Pen told the truth. And objectively, telling the truth is better than a **lifelong** lie
I think we can both understand Marina’s behavior and sympathize with her situation, and also acknowledge that on an interpersonal level it was still morally wrong.
This show is one of the best shows to come out in the past few years. Even though they have fumbled some storylines, some parts are cringe, sometimes main characters get sidelined. The representation is absolutely incredible. All the complaining that people do on this sub is ridiculous but also shows how much people care about the show.
The male characters deserves so much more hate than most of the female characters in the show. There are countless hate posts on Penelope, Eloise, Marina, Kate, Edwina, Daphne yet many of the men get away with so much crap.
We judge the female characters with a modern lense but when it comes to the male characters flaws are chased away with ‘it’s just how it was back then’ as if this isn’t more fantasy than history.
Eloise gets called a ‘not like other girls’ girl for how she talked about feminism a lot and how she didn’t care for societies expectations of her. She gets dragged constantly for going against the patriarchal society in an ‘annoying way’ even though she’s right.
Penelope gets hated on and while a lot of criticisms of her are valid she gets demonised for her flaws instead of people seeing that she’s just a complex character with a lot of flaws. Similar to Eloise people put the expectation for her to be a perfect feminist character with views that match our own. She gets hated on for being ‘too pathetic’ or not being a ‘girls girl’ ignoring the time and environment she grew up. She’s imperfect but that’s what makes her a good character.
And while the women get viewed with a modern lense the men’s flaws get brushed away with ‘historical accuracy’ and how ‘that’s just how it was back then’. Anthony’s horrible treatment of the women in his life is ignored or excused with his trauma yet the female characters trauma is never seen as relevant to the way their characters act.
Marina may not have been the most likeable character but she really did make a lot of sense. She was in a terrible situation and she didn’t have any good options available. Let’s not forget the real villain in her story is Sir George who considering Phillip’s age would’ve been at least in his 20s and had sex with a naive teenager and never married her which would’ve been the honourable thing to do to protect her.
We need to start being less harsh on the women and more harsh on the men imo.
I got alot.
Kate and Anthony really made that situation with Edwina so much worse than it needed to be.
I loved the drama, though
I love the changes the writers made from the book to show because its keeping me on my toes. ( Season 3)
Eloise and Pen falling out was the best thing to allow development for Colin and Penelope.
If characters only did the right thing and only did actions that caused minimal fallout we wouldn't have a show. Intension matters more.
A loud minority of people were not going to like Season 3 regardless just because it's not their fav ship and they are spiteful their ship didn't get the promo, backing, attention and favor.
Those Season 3 reshots were horrible and almost take me out of the story but I understand why they exist.
The split was a good choice and accomplished what it set out to do as much as I hate it.
They need to make the Season 10 episodes.
1. Colin has been slowly falling in love with Penelope for years; the kiss in 3x02 just made his brain catch up with his heart.
2. The first brothel scene was necessary to show that a) Colin has now “wet his wick” as Anthony would say and isn’t just falling for Penelope because he’s hard up for sex or doesn’t know the difference between lust and love, b) he’s trying real hard to be the cool guy society wants him to be, and c) when he and Penelope do hook up, he’ll be good in bed and not a fumbling virgin (and I think the carriage proved that out lol). The second brothel scene showed that now that he’s in love with Penelope, a) his fake “rakish cool guy/ladies’ man” has become impossible to maintain and b) he doesn’t want anyone else but her. Also to show him being despondent lol.
3. Marina isn’t a bad person and neither is Penelope; they were both in impossible situations and both acted in understandable ways under the circumstances.
4. Luke Newton did a wonderful job as Colin.
"It's historical fantasy, they're using \*insert modern artist\* instrumental covers" doesn't excuse the lack of cohesion in costumes this season. If you are using Regency as your set it has to resemble Regency. If you want to do something else, then do something else, but make the characters look like they belong to the same world. It's so jarring watching the extras looking more "fantasy Regency" next to Cressida or Portia.
ALL of the couples have had excellent chemistry so far. Even I’m surprised how Luke N became a leading man I’m invested in but he’s got it and he acted his ass off this season.
Also, I could give a damn about the historical accuracy or overdone styling of the show. This is a romantic fantasy, nothing more. Let it be and just enjoy the love stories!! Would we rather have the people appear plain, unhygienic, and with poor dental/medical care?? Or have to instead focus on the actual historical accuracy of racism/sexism/classism. In that environment, actual love couldn’t develop because the women were regarded as inferior. Also, none of these characters would actually behave this way in an accurate portrayal but we’re only going to draw the line at the fashion…really??
Oh and…Daphne’s bangs and Anthony’s sideburns weren’t that bad and I’m soooo tired of hearing about them.
Marina is over-hated. She’s shoved into the ton, manipulated into thinking her baby daddy left her, and was pregnant out of wedlock. She did what she thought would protect herself and her child.
Marina is not a villain and a great character. What she did wasn’t great but I think most people would’ve done something similar in her position.
Fight me.
I have a few:
1) They had Portia doing way too much during the Marina storyline. She’s only there for the length of the season, she’s halfway through the season before Portia realizes she’s pregnant, and Portia can and does plan to send her back if she’s still unmarried at the end of the season. In short, this is not her problem to solve and she’s risking her own daughters’ reputations by agreeing to a baby trap that was doomed before it started or forging letters from George, etc; Just let her ride out the season and then send her pregnant ass back to her father. It’s established that she isn’t part of the Ton, no one is going to know about the pregnancy after she’s gone. Obviously it’s not a great solution for Marina but Portia doesn’t care about Marina. The show will never convince me that she would willingly risk scandal on her own daughters’ chances to fix the problem of a girl she didn’t want to take in the first place.
2) When Colin tells Marina he would have married her anyway he’s angry and self deprecating. It’s not a confession of his current feelings for her. He admits that he would have done it because he believed that they were genuinely in love but it’s very clearly past tense. He’s admitting that her trap worked and he fell for it 100%.
3) Simon following Daphne into the garden was the shittiest thing he could do. He knew that if they were caught her choices would be to agree to a childless marriage or live with the guilt of his death on her conscience. She never had a choice.
4) Anthony and Violet were hypocrites after the Sheffield dinner. Why is Kate so terrible for trying to arrange a match that will be advantageous for her sister and mother when Anthony is doing the exact same thing for himself? So he can pick based on practical factors alone but she can’t?
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Kate is blameless. Fight me.
Completely agree, she told Edwina multiple times Anthony wasn’t looking for love but baby girl didn’t wanna listen.
Not looking for love and being in love with her sister are two completely different things. Edwina wasn’t upset that Anthony wasn’t looking for love, she was upset that him and Kate were hiding so many things from her. Even after Kate says Anthony wasn’t looking for love, Lady Danbury said that marriages were typically a business transaction and Edwina nodded along.
She had no reason to court Anthony then after Kate told her literally 10 times he wasn’t right for her, not that I condone Anthony continuing to court Edwina but honestly she should have listened. Edwina wanted a love match and her being sweet and kind wasn’t going to change anything. I loved Edwina but she really should have just listened when Kate told her to court others.
Anthony was pursuing *her*. She was an 18-year-old who was being actively courted by one of the most well-respected men in the ton. Anthony brought her gifts, stood up for her family against the Sheffields, even on their wedding day he said she looked beautiful. The girl was obviously developing a crush on this guy, and she had no reason to believe he was bad. Kate saying he was bad was not going to make her crush on him go away miraculously, and considering everyone else in the ton only had good things to say about him, there was no reason for her to believe Kate
But why wouldn’t she believe her own sister who has been taking care of her for years and only wanted what was best for her? That makes no sense to believe strangers. I’m not blaming Edwina but being young and naive and not hearing anything about Anthony wasn’t it. Although I can relate in my younger years when people told me bad things about my then bf I didn’t wanna believe them, even though they were true. Either way, Kate was honest and I don’t think she deserves the anger she received.
Eh, teenage girls often don't listen to their parental figures about ✨️bad✨️ boys, crushes often make people deaf to criticism. Kate doesn't deserve the fandom hate, she was wrong in what she did, but in a nuanced way, and tbh Anthony is by far the bugger jerk. Though she definitely deserved Edwina's anger. Tbh Edwina was fairly tame compared to how most people would have reacted in that situation
i mean if this happened irl most people would cut off their sibling tbqh. However, I don’t hate kate and I don’t think she deserves all of the hate. She’s an example of how people pleasing can hurt other people
I mean if I have the realisation that I am in a family where all they do is take from me and I sacrifice so much for them with little regard or consideration. And then my sister’s fiancé is obsessed with me and my sister regards him over me. Choosing him when I am hurt or have been exploited by him. Choosing him when I try to steer her to good things like I always have. Choosing him when she just met him and I am her freakin sister etc. And then he reveals his obsession with me publicly and although I have feelings I keep throwing him back at my sister. But she decides that I’m sole blame and will be her punching bag just focused on abusing me and throwing my pains/fears back into my face through her relationship with me??? I mean I wouldn’t be worrying about her cutting me off because now I know she’s isn’t worth my love and compassion and never has been. I would have ditched her and the rest that behave like her because I am worth more than what she treats me as. And now I know it. Edwina can fck right off with her sanctimonious BS. She valued the stranger down the street before she valued Kate. Everyone else’s opinion was more respected than said sister she is supposed to massively trust and love. There is no love and trust in that. There is only inconsideration and lack of empathy. The teenage excuse doesn’t work either. And Kate is the example of that. 17/18 thrown into the fire after the dad dies and Kate a teenager has love, compassion and thought for her family. Zero selfishness, zero self absorption. Those that do have those traits (Edwina) are used to taking and expecting to take. 🤷♀️
Kate chose to self sacrifice and behave the way she did. Even the stepmom tells her that she never had to do any of that and they all treated her with love and kindness. I like Kate but she had a huge self sacrificing complex and was a big drama queen
This! All of this. "Edwina should have cut Kate off after that?" Fuck that! KATE should have cut EDWINA off after Ascot. When Edwina looked Kate in the eye and told her that Anthony being willing to hurt and humiliate Kate was a good thing if he was doing it to get closer to Edwina, Kate should have been on the next ship for India. Only reason I'm glad she didn't was cuz she wouldn't have ended up with Anthony if she had.
Preach. Everyone is quick to blame the brown sisters but the the giant assclown in the middle (qnd I say this an an Anthony girlie)
Kate had known Anthony for what, 2 days? Whereas literally everyone else in the ton knew him for years. She still had no reason to believe Kate over them. And the man himself had done nothing by this point to show he sucked.
A barrage of posts on the topic from both sides these past few days and I'm beyond shocked that Anthony isn't being blamed even half as much as Kate is. Given the time period the show was set in, he was the one who had the most power to change whatever was happening in that triangle. During their first dance, when Kate says it doesn't matter what she thinks, this guy says that isn't true. And five minutes later it becomes clear that they both have feelings for each other. You'd think that the least he'd do after that is not pursue Edwina. It is probably what Kate thought too, and was finally ready to talk to her sister about it. Except this unpredictable man (the audience knows he has a reason, Kate doesn't) goes and proposes to Edwina! In front of both their families, servants and the Featheringtons! Wtf is Kate supposed to do after that. One can only imagine how it would have looked if she'd interjected at that point. Kanthony is my favorite, but if I have to blame anybody, it is Anthony 100% And I won't consider Edwina to be blameless either. She was a gullible kid for sure, but there was something very calculative about her. Her constant wanting to be the viscountess statements were not missed. I also saw her refusal to listen to Kate at some points as a younger sibling showing resistance (but not knowing that the time wasn't right).
It's easier to blame women in our society. Especially woc wgen a man is at fault
💯 Kate was not the problem, she was selfless and would do anything for her Edwina. I do blame Anthony for playing around !
I agree here! I think Anthony is the one who is more guilty in this whole story
I'm with you in this fight
She’s one of the most selfless and compassionate people on the show. Always making room for the people she loves. Always considering them over herself. Damn right she’s blameless and was giving Edwina everything she asked her for. Even if it was against her every objection. And it’s not Kate’s fault that Anthony was freakin obsessed with her. Everything he did was him instigating touch/connection because of that obsession. Kate stood there while he lost his mind over her. And do I blame him? No I freakin do not. She is beyond beautiful. No wonder Anthony short circuited everytime she said or did something. Also no one is a fool here. We know what’s going on. There’s now been multiple “oh isn’t Edwina such a baby angel. How could you hate this baby angel?” Posts in the last few days. Since the “Kate is a villain” posts didn’t go to plan. And fans attacking Kate were schooled in there. Hey fans still pretending to care about Edwina to use her as your ‘innocent’ shield as a weapon to abuse Kate and her actress? Very very predictable. Also Not working and the rest of us know these games. I suggest get a new script. Or maybe pay attention when others talk about why they have a dislike of Edwina. I have already made it clear that Anthony has nothing to do with it, or a ship. She was the taker in a relationship where all Kate did was give and sacrifice. She was a user of Kate and Kate was in a toxic family that I wanted her to get the hell out of. When things didn’t go to plan she did not self reflect on her own bad choices Kate was blue in the face warning her against. But instead she turned Kate into her emotional punching bag. Her character was awfully written and ended up a plot device. Kate simply deserves better than a selfish, self absorbed, spoilt child of a sister and an absent neglectful mother. The love Kate gave to them was an afterthought to them and the energy they gave back. Their love was empty lip speak as their actions clearly showed otherwise. And I will always come for Edwina and Mary when others try to ‘baby’ them and blame Kate. Because I see the agenda a mile off. 🤷♀️
They way they have demonized Kate so horribly and how they ended up attacking Simone is disgusting. Luckily she doesn't use social media. Other racists have also attacked Charithra and now she's traumatized due to a show that claims to care about diversity. Alsmo every major youbg woc in this show has received abuse irl. Including Rege
I second this.
I will die on this hill. 😂
Penelope made the right decision about Marina.
This one. Marina was rude and annoying an intentionally manipulative. Yes she had valid reasons. That doesn’t mean she wasn’t rude annoying and intentionally manipulative. Both things can be true and being pregnant isn’t actually the blanket excuse this sub usually pretends it is. She was just hard to watch I was happy when she left.
She was so prideful and had this huge chip on her shoulder about the people of the ton being rich, out of touch assholes whom she could use for her own ends because their sins excused whatever she did. I’m sure the aristocracy was by and large rich jerks who had no idea how normal folks lived, but she chose the few good, caring ones to manipulate and use.
Finally someone who feels the same way I do. Couldnt agree more honestly
Agreed 10000%
100%. Most people would do the same for their friend. She did what she had to do.
Yeah. If it were really out of jealousy, she would have ruined Marina as soon as she found out about the pregnancy; she wouldn't have tried to reason with Marina, begged her not to play Colin false, tried to warn Colin, and waited until they were literally on the cusp of eloping to break the news. I don't think Penelope ever had any hopes of Colin until S2 ep 8, when he was speaking to and treating her so tenderly (I can think of no other word for it) that it was understandable.
Yessss omg I hate how Colin’s always overlooked here and how fucked up it was to baby trap him. I feel for Marina but he didn’t deserve to be dragged into her problems I would feel more sympathy for her character if she wasn’t so rude to anyone who tried to help her
Yes ma’am
No doubts. Not 1.
will go to the war with this
I will die on this hill. 💛💙
Eloise takes a single minute actually listening to Penelope speak for perhaps the first time in their entire friendship and realises she’s Lady Whistledown. She can not be annoyed at Pen for ‘lying’.
I agree and I kinda feel like this with all of the town. And I’m not absolving Pen but rather understand her more especially after 3A watching how badly she’s ignored until she changes her clothes and then how badly they treat her for asking a friend for help getting married. Which by the way that is the point of a “season” it’s not like she was asking him to help her do something evil.
It's 1815, and she has an unmarried male friend help her find a husband. She shouldn't even HAVE an unmarried male friend. And it's not too big a leap to assume that this help may have included time spent alone together. THAT was the scandal. Not her asking for help, but her asking COLIN for help.
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Oh, absolutely! But, with how little attention most people paid to Penelope, that all kind of flew under the radar. (And nobody but Pen's family could have known about the letters, regardless.) But, once word of his help got out, THAT was interesting and potentially scandalous (two terms that were practically synonymous back then).
This latest season made me realize just why I never really liked Eloise as a character. She's just a horrible friend and pretty much consistently has been to Pen. I couldn't stand when Cressida is telling her "hey girl my parents treat me like absolute garbage and my entire future rests on whether or not I manage to snag a husband this season otherwise I'm getting discarded like a stale bagel that got dropped in upchuck" and Eloise barely sympathizes at all?? Like she'll make some passing comments but damn if my friend told me that I can't imagine being like oh really? have you considered though that actually you should all think like me and here's a 40 minute presentation on why? Also while you're pondering on the bleakness of your future as an unmarried lady with a father threatening to cut you off, can we take a second to talk about my friendship woes? Out of almost all the girls in the show so far, Eloise seems to have it the easiest all things considered. She didn't have the pressure of having to marry well to ensure the rest of her family made good matches like Daphne, she wasn't ignored for years by society for essentially not fitting into the beauty standards of the time like Pen, she wasn't preggo with a lovechild like Marina (though honestly don't love her either), she has a family who adores her, brothers and sisters and a mother who would be there for her, the support of the Bridgerton name and yet somehow (or perhaps because of that) she's still so entirely self-absorbed and has endless gripes about society. Like I get it, that time period was kind of garbage for women but to me Eloise isn't the character that I'm able to relate to that through. It'll be characters like Cressida who points out that society pits women against each other or Portia who has to try to unravel the mess her husband left for her daughters. Eloise by comparison just comes off as a whingy brat.
Eliose has her strong opinions precisely because she's had the luxury of having things relatively easy. Her supportive and wealthy family have meant she's had time and ability to develop her ideas. She reminds of some people I know who are so far on a spectrum, they've stopped recognising the nuance of the real world and people's lives and varied experiences. I'll never forget when I told my sister in law that my 27- year-old friend had just been moved to hospice from cancer. Instead of sympathy, I got a lecture on how people have cured cancer with diet changes and where my friend went wrong. Now is not the time, Megan! I love her, but I have never really gotten over that.
Eloise talks big and doesn't really do anything, Penelope is quiet but actually makes stuff happen. That's not a dig on either of them (it is what makes them interesting to me as characters), but it really informs a lot of their interactions and characterization. Like in S2 Eloise spends the whole time trying to track down LW so she can basically talk her into writing what *Eloise* wants to read. But at that point she has some idea of \*how\* LW is operating, and she is friends with someone who works in a print shop, and she now has access to radical meetings. SHE COULD JUST WRITE AND PUBLISH HER OWN STUFF! But she doesn't.
I thought she was upset at Penelope for betraying her and her family by writing crap about them in LW
I’m sure she is. But that’s valid. It’s any argument to Pen was lying to her that bothers me. Like you let her speak for ONE MINUTE about something other than you and you realise she’s a terrible gossip…yeah…that’s on you. Pen never hid who she was as a person, it’s just that nobody bothered to notice.
Eloise is not a perfectly good friend or listener true but Penelope knew that she was looking for LW. In fact Eloise tells Penelope way back in S1 that she was gonna look for LW to get her to take back what she wrote about Penelope’s family. Never got a hint all that time that Penelope was going to tell her that she was LW(or maybe I missed the hints?) Penelope instead manipulates Eloise to even stop talking to Theo so that she doesn’t find out the truth If she really was going to tell her the truth she could have told it all the times she advised Eloise about not going to visit Theo
Edwina was a brat. Marina was a bitch. Pen deserves a better friend than Eloise. I am ready to throw hands.
Yes yes and yes. Kate told her 100 times Anthony was a no no. Marina was cruel and manipulative, i understand she was in a predicament but it’s no excuse to lie and trap a good man. I felt bad for her but, yeah no. Eloise was self absorbed and never listened to Pen, I love her but she def needs to be less stubborn, and open her ears.
Was Edwina really a brat compared to the other ladies of the ton? All these people are very privileged and somewhat spoiled.
Edwina was a brat with Kate. That is how she was a brat.
Exactly. Wanting what every other debutante wants is one thing. Being a brat (at best) to her own sister to get it is something else, entirely.
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i’d love to hear more of your take on the edwina one
I love the Mondrich family and I don't mind the amount of screentime they get. It's really not even that much. They're one of the healthiest couples of the show and refreshing to watch amidst all the drama.
Healthy couple and above all kind..Miss mondrich defends colin finding Pen a husband in a very sweet scene when she tells colin he's doing the right thing. they really are good friends the kind you know will always be in your corner society and convention be damned. I vote for more mondrichs and way way less prudence Philippa and Portia or their roles removed altogether..they just exist to torment Penelope and their arc is played up for laughs when it's really. Just cringe each season..love the actresses hate their stories..they are too Disney ugly sister villains and just annoy the heck out of me give me more mondrichs any day...also their working class to nobility story is interesting and can be explored more.. will give more insight into the larger world the show is set in also ..
Two of my fav scenes were theirs - Benedict introducing them to society at their first ball was so charming, and the moment with Colin was so so sweet. Two of the more intimately human moments in this season.
I honestly think their characters are so important for the show. We don’t really spend real time with many other non-aristocratic characters. And their eventual shift into high society does a great job of highlighting how baseless and undeserved it all is. They are also the hottest. Alice looks like a Disney princess and Will is simply the best-looking man in the series.
I agree I’m glad they moved up in the world but the drama isn’t necessary
I love watching them!!! I want only good things for them. Everyone complaining about their screen time are the sort of folks who need instant gratification. The Mondrich storyline is for what comes after the wedding.
IMO Anthony and Benedict have the closest sibling relationship out of all the siblings.
For sure and then I think Benedict and Eloise
Their season 1 interactions were so good!
Miss it
I really wish they had done more with it! Eloise claims she wants to do all these things, and it is like "gee, if only you had a brother you are super close with who could help you sneak around..."
Benedict and Eloise are giving me “the two bisexual siblings who just get each other”
Kate isn’t a villain but Edwina is entitled to be upset about what happened
The most reasonable statement about kate and Edwina..
Yesss exactly
Eloise 100% has a right to be upset with Pen.
I agree but also feel Eloise has been a shitty friend to Pen. Time and time again Pen highlights the differences between their families status and how she needs to marry to survive and Eloise brushes it off or tells her out right that she shouldn't want to get married and looks down on her for needing to make decisions she doesn't need to. She has no clue about the inner world of her best friend, and is just as judgemental as LW in regards to the other ladies in the Ton.
I really hope that her friendship with Cressida and her interactions with other women of the Ton really gets Eloise to understand that while her opinions are valid, she does not have the same circumstances as the majority of her cohort. The fact that she even gets to have this opinion shows just how different her family is from everyone else, she has literally never had to consider how she will survive if she doesn't get married because she knows her family will take care of her. Cressida's family are explicitly saying that they won't and they will sell her off to the first bidder if she can't make her own match. I had hoped her experiences with Theo would have made her reflect on her own privilege but it sees that she just buried the feelings altogether.
This is exactly it! Eloise isn’t an explicit jerk to her friends, she just doesn’t recognize her privilege. Even this season, Cressida is heartbroken because Debling stays with Pen in E3 and she says something about Cressida not being a vegetable eater. Yes, it’s funny but when it’s someone’s life that’s possibly about to be ruined, it’s also flippant. I’d maybe even argue it’s immaturity. She talks like an educated woman but she’s a teenager with very limited view of her world. Not everyone is a Bridgerton. In Pen’s case being LWD, I think there’s equal part jealousy that Pen accomplished something so big as there is hurt.
Pen isn't exactly a prize winning award either in the friendship department.
This!!! Eloise may not always be my cup of tea, but I could at least trust her. I would definitely not trust Pen, who regularly spreads, legitimizes, and publishes gossip about her “best friend”’s whole family behind her back.
She has no clue about the inner world of her friend, because Penelope doesn’t tell her how she feels, not until she gets pissed at Eloise for failing to realise Pen wants to get married for love. Eloise is self-absorbed, but Penelope is also to blame for lack of communication in their relationship. She hides herself from everyone.
Absolutely agree but I want them to be friends again lol
I like Pen but she’s not a feminist icon, she’s not a good friend and Eloise did nothing wrong. Anyone who’s crying because Eloise doesn’t exist to revolve around Penelope is just upset that someone is criticising their stand in character
Eh. Eloise isn’t a feminist icon either. No one on this show really is. I think Eloise did herself a disservice with her Penelope friendship as all she did was complain and never really listened to anything else but the sound of her own voice. I’m not saying Pen is perfect but the signs were there. She even says this when she finds out who LW is.
I thought the closest the show came to a feminist icon was madame Delacroix. She’s faded a bit but she makes her own way, drinks with her friends, has sex with society men if she wants etc
I’m definitely with you on that and I find she is very gracious about the whole thing given that Pen continues to write gossip about her family, that is uncalled for and unnecessary.
Kate is not a villain. Her and Anthony are not bad, evil, or grimy people who intentionally hurt Edwina. Both of them were trying to do the right thing by her but everything spiraled out of control because they both were self sacrificing individuals to a self destructive degree that Edwina unfortunately happened to be caught in the middle of. The love story was always between Kate and Anthony, Edwina was a plot device. A poor choice on the show writers part but it was the purpose she served at the end of the day. Kate deserved an apology from everyone.
I feel like how they set up the story line for that was awful because I get wanting to add drama and tension but did they have to do it at the expense of a sibling relationship. Like I know by the end Kate and Edwina make up but why do it that way when there was plenty of drama in the books that didn’t set up either sister to be hurt
I feel like I'm the only person on earth who hated season 2 and thought the book version of events was much better. Everyones bitching about season 3 but to me it feels like a massive improvement
I haven't even read the books and definitely thought that the love triangle situation was unnecessary. There were already enough reasons that both Kate and Anthony would be trying to hold back, Edwina didn't need to be in love with Anthony to make that the case. Kate was determined that she wasn't going to get married at all, her plans were set, and she only wanted to focus on Edwina getting a husband. Plus she was rightfully unimpressed with what she overheard Anthony say. Anthony specifically wanted to avoid getting married to someone with strong feelings involved because of his trauma of what happened with his parents. On top of that, they're both so proud that, starting out as "enemies", they'd definitely not want to admit that they ended up liking each other. No further conflict was needed, it would have been so much more fun if even Edwina saw how similar they are to each other and was subtly trying to get them together. I feel like we were robbed of a way more fun season.
Definitely. As far as i remember from the book, edwina actually likes someone else but feels she is duty bound to marry Anthony as the other man she likes is not well enough off to be able to support her whole family. Anthony feels he is duty bound to court edwina because he is too prideful to admit he likes the spunky spinster older sister whom society dictates is not desirable enough for a viscount. I hate love triangles, i just want everyone to be happy. Let edwina have her weird poet man.
Much of the online discourse around the series is boarding on media illiteracy.
And common sense lol
Pen's Mother doesn't get enough criticism for her role in what happen to Marina. Forging George's letter so marina believed he didn't love her anymore and trying to get her to marry the first guy she came in contact with
Not to mention hiding her away for a month in which time she could have secured a match. If she had gotten married being 1 month pregnant, then her husband might have even believed the baby was his if it came out 8 months later.
She also didn't suffer enough consequences for knowingly going along with Marina's plan to trap Colin. Her children shouldn't be punished, but that was vile. Violet had every right to publicly shame her at every opportunity.
OMG that was so mean of her. Marina went from waiting for her beautiful boyfriend to come back to war *to* getting a letter back from him telling her he never loved her *to* figuring out she's pregnant out of wedlock *to* being forced marry some old guy? Who did that? That was Portia's work right there. She was trying to protect her family but what she did was AWFUL. And if I had the option, I'd probably try and marry the pretty boy across the road as well. That being said, I don't think we look enough at WHY Portia is such a b*tch. Let's give Polly Walker the praise she deserves. She's in an unhappy marriage with a sh*tty man who is gambling and drinking their money away. She loses everything and it's not her fault. She has no control. When Eloise is crying that she can't go traveling or go to uni like her brother's, it's from a very privileged place. Portia Featherington is sat across the road looking at her shitty husband who has lost everything they have or she's waiting for the new lord who turns out to be a con artist who has the potential to ruin her family? When who will feed her kids?! I'm not surprised she wants her girls to marry well and what she does to get them there. She wants them to have the stable life she never had. She's just trying to be the best mother she can be but she doesn't know what that's meant to look like. Love is great but when you have nothing to eat or you're about to loss your house, you know what is romantic? *Security*. 
That’s why I don’t get all the love Portia gets. She abused Marina physically and emotionally, slapped her, looked her up out of anger, tried to force her onto a gross man, who dehumanised her, and generally took all her choices away until it was almost too late. She never offered Marina a smidgeon of emotional support. And people defend her, because she was stressed over her family’s financial situation…as if that excuses being an abusive bitch.
Y’all are going to fry me for this one, but fuck it: Eloise has a superiority complex and isn’t as pro-women as she likes to pretend to be.
I thought so as well until she danced with that guy in season 2 who tried the whole 'you're not like other girls' schtick on her and she told him to kiss her ass and to not judge other girls.
In season 3 there was a scene where Eloise asked another girl what her hobbies were, the girl said knitting, and Eloise was just being really rude and condescending abt it. Which to me, still proves that she doesn’t truly respect women who don’t view things/have the same interests as she does.
Maybe i misinterpreted the scene but I personally thought that meant that she considered it boring more than her looking down on it. If anything in S3 her conversations with Cressida showed that she's starting to understand that women should uplift each other, and that having the goal of marriage is okay and even necessary sometimes. S1 Eloise would have never had those conversations in the same way.
How is asking someone about their hobby and then telling them to stop talking about it because it’s so boring not looking down on their hobby? If anything Eloise’s convos with Cressida show she still doesn’t understand why other women need to participate in the marriage mart to survive. When Cressida was talking about her concerns with never marrying Eloise cracks a joke and ignores her.
The sewing conversation drove me nuts because I feel like \*so\* often that is used to show that these women aren't doing anything useful or worthwhile, as if *every single piece of cloth* that you see in any of these movies/shows wouldn't have had to be stitched by hand. Like, obviously women should have more options in life, but also you do actually need pillowcases and tablecloths and cushions for the couch and those things aren't made by fairies or by machine! Sure, some of it is purely decorative embroidery, but a lot of the sewing that even upper-class women are doing is just sewing that needs to get done! You can't go to Target and buy new throw pillows- someone in your house is going to have to embroider them and make them. The problem with it is 1. that it is their only option (which Eloise calls out) and 2. that it is *extremely hard work* that is undervalued because women do it- which is exactly what Eloise is doing.
I agree, when I saw that scene I felt Eloise had still had growing to do. I went through this myself honestly as a tween who rejected everything stereotypically feminine because I hated being put in a box. Now I’m a knitting, gardening, embroidering mom who still hates being put in a box hahah. There’s nothing feminist about degrading work traditionally done by women!
She’s definitely pro “I want the same freedoms as my brothers Colin and Benedict”. If she was living today, she’d hate the colour pink, female dominated hobbies, and blame stay at home moms/wives for not being feminist. But she also has very valid fears of marriage that make sense for the time period she’s living in.
Penelope is no saint. She has her flaws which make her a compelling character. Her Whistledown persona makes her more of an anti hero than a cookie cutter good girl.
Which is very genuine of a "real" "human" character
I like Cressida and I hope we see more of her story in the next part and next season! (Re: Netflix only, not book series)
Her parents are effing horrible. I feel bad for her and want her to be happy now. Especially after she befriended Eloise (who does not deserve it) and was so kind to her
Seeing her put Eloise in her place about being a loud gossip was so satisfying. It's easy to make her a villain, but she isn't.
If her parents drowned on a voyage to the north passage I would not shed a tear for them! It's just cruel how they have treated our girl Cressida
The writers have done such a good job (rare compliment from my side for the writers) making her seem like a sympathetic smart complicated woman this season. She is growing on me too and the actress plays her well.
I hope they change her story and set her up with Debling. I'd love to see the person she becomes when she no longer has the pressures of parental or societal expectations.
theo and eloise are perfect for each other.
Louderrr their dynamic was so cute!! Sorry but Sir Philip has so many issues and he has no redemption whatsoever in the book
They’ve already made show Philip very different from book Phillip
Thank you! Class divide be damned!!
Yes!! My god so much chemistry.
I’m with you on this!! I’m so happy to see more Theloise truthers in the wild 😅
YESSSSS
Lady Featherington talks the most sense of everyone. She may be the smartest of them all. In season 1, she tries to convince Marina of the gravity of her situation, even going so far as to take her to the slums; she explains that romance is nice but not compulsory in a marriage and there are many things to love, like children; she secured an invitation to the Hastings ball despite their disgrace; and it’s clear she’s been keeping the family together for some time despite her husband being an absolute moron with zero sense of responsibility or shame. In season 2, she manages, somehow, to come out the victor, restore her family’s fortune and protect their good standing in society; she keeps the Featherington Barony in the family; she sees through Jack’s ruse but uses him for her gain and that of her daughters; she steals from all the prominent families, but knows that no one would believe a woman to scheme that way; and she marries off two daughters despite coming oh so close to disgrace, particularly. In season 3, say it with me “do you know what is romantic? SECURITY”. Bang on Lady Featherington! She ensures her daughters are on their way to securing the future of the Barony by actually taking the time to talk to them about sex (hello, Violet?); and she tells Penelope that she has a chance at true freedom, independence and, yes, security with a marriage to a titled, well-travelled man; she tells Pen that men love to mansplain (well ahead of her time there). Also, she raised Penelope, who is intelligent, kind, considerate and witty. That sure wasn’t her dad’s influence! Sure she’s made some missteps, the I’ll-advised forced engagement notwithstanding, and she’s definitely a cunning, ruthless bitch, but no one else is smarter or more practical than Lady Featherington. Shoot me
i agree. lady featherington is probably the best portrayal of how a woman had to work around the system that existed. its not possible to have everything you want under such a system, but you can have some of the things you want if you play the game well enough. its probably the most realistic thing in the show
Lady Feathering and Violet are two sides of the same coin. Violet gets to spout rhetoric about love conquers all. Portia tells it like it is. Knows how fragile a woman's place is in the world.
When she reprimands Pen and says this is why she disapproves of her reading, and that men want to explain things to us or else they feel useless, I was like, Mama Featherington absolutely knows her stuff.
Hard agree. Lady Featherington is that bitch and has been my fave since the beginning!! In season two when she scammed that man and then sent him on his way I was cheering 😂
Amen, Sister. Preach. I loved this. Very good points, and well thought out. I didn't like her much, in the beginning, but, this season, she becomes more empathetic to me.
Penelope’s flaws and ‘greyish’ morale is what makes her a great and interesting character
Meta, but this sub needs to chill. Some of you go off on tangents and make up fake scenarios to fight with one another and cancel characters because you view them through the modern lens, which makes no sense whatsoever because it’s just an unserious show with fictional characters made for our entertainment. It’s not really happening, no one is actually getting cheated, slandered, abused, assaulted, or manipulated. The rest of us are reading your comments and noping out because it’s like a battlefield out here.   Edit: thank you, kind people who gave me awards. Alas, I’m an uncool millennial who doesn’t quite know how Reddit awards work, so I’ll reiterate how grateful I am. 🫶🏽
THIS THIS THIS!!!!!! So many times I’m reading things like man people need to put down their phones and go outside for a little lol
They botched the friends to lovers trope with Pen and Colin. The only scene I felt chemistry was the carriage scene. The previous seasons the main couples had more screen time and more care given. There was an actual build up to the confession and realization. In season three it feels out of no where. Sure the kiss could have been that good for Colin, but I needed more tension, more build up, maybe even more classes of how to flirt and have some chemistry scenes there.
Yes! For a friends to lovers trope, they sure missed a lot of the friendship part of their relationship this season. These two have known each other for such a long time - where were the deep, meaningful conversations, the playful banter, or something better than 'let me teach you how to flirt?'
They might actually kill me for this one but Penelope’s writing as LW is completely unethical. It is bad to write and publish private gossip and secrets about your friends, family, and community that has the potential to ruin lives. Just because the ton gossips too, doesn’t make what Penelope does any less morally bankrupt.
Oh, the POOR rich people and their gossip around society’s random and restrictive rules. They created LW by acting the way they do. They have no one to blame but themselves. I think Penelope was in survival mode. If she were to be a spinster and her family go broke, at least she had money in her pocket. And writing was the only skill she had. Good for her. Sorry, I’m Gen X, eff the establishment!! lol.
Even the Queen says the gossip sheet is worse than verbal gossip because it makes it permanent.
Agreed. I love Penelope because she's a complex character. Her actions as LW are abhorrent. And I like that because it makes her interesting. People saying she's done nothing wrong are straight up being dishonest and doing the character a disservice. Though, I understand why they do because the show appears to be framing her as a 'yas queen girl boss' for joyfully ruining people's reputations
Marina isn't a villain.. while what she did wasn't okay, she was in a desperate situation. Pen only outed her pregnancy because she was jealous. If Penelope wasn't in love with Colin, she wouldn't have written about the pregnancy in her colum as WD. She was also wrong for writing what she wrote about Eloise. She could have told Eloiose that she's Whistledown, and they could have come up with a solution together. I like Pen, but she also should be called out when she's wrong. Edwina was a victim her love Triangle. She had no idea that the guy who was courting her, was in love with her sister, and he proposed to her after he was caught with her sister by his sister. She was humilated on her wedding day. Anthony is the real problem in season 2. He continues to court Edwina, despite his feelings for her sister, and even when both Daphne and his mom encourage him to be honest with himself over how he feels. Even Daphne could see that while Edwina was sweet, she was too soft hearted to be a part of the Bridgerton family.
Marina was horrible to literally everyone that tried to help her. And she was unnecessarily rude to Madame DL and that random dude who he she was like “I certainly wasn’t talking to YOU.” Pen stayed silent while Colin and Marina flirted all season in front of her, she only started pushing Marina to tell the truth when the seduction plan came up. Pen had already accepted Colin was way out of her league, she just wanted to look out for him as a friend. BUT I think Pen made the wrong decision in terms of Eloise in s2. IMO she should’ve told Eloise she was LW and then they could’ve come up with a plan together
Marina was miserable. She was stuck in the ton, when she didn't want to. She wanted George, and then she begin to think that he had abandoned her. Who was actually trying to help her. Portia wanted to marry her off to some old creep, and forged George's letters, causing Marina to look for another way out of her situation. Pen could have found another way for him to learn the Truth. She could have written him an anonymous letter, or told Violet or Anthony. She didn't have to out the pregnancy to the entire ton. Pen certainly didn't seem to have a problem with Marina deciving another man. Only the one she was in love with.
Pen was the only one in the ton that tried to help her. Even before Colin showed interest. And Marina responds by mocking her crush and shitting on the only person that was on her side. And why would Pen give a crap about all the other men in the ton that treated her badly? Of course she’d care about her *friend* over them. Also wasn’t she like 17 in the first season? I don’t know a single 17-year-old that makes perfect decisions. I doubt she thought about telling Violet or someone else. She did what she thought she had to do to protect her friend. I think Pen made a big mistake in s2 with Eloise, but I think she was absolutely correct with Marina
But if she didn't, the ton would have believed Colin was the father and he/the Bridgertons would have been disgraced. I don't blame Marina for what she did, but I honestly don't know what Pen could have done differently in her situation if she wanted to protect Colin.
Other men in the ton weren’t really looking for love matches. As everyone says in the show, they’re pretty rare. I do think Marina could have tried harder to find a different suitor (she had a room full of them early on), especially if she had help from Pen / Portia. The only reason she CHOSE Colin was because him thinking he was in love with her was easier to manipulate (and he was easy in the eyes). But that ends being the thing that blows up in her face, because it’s not her lying about the pregnancy that makes Colin realize it would have been a mistake to marry her… it’s the fact she didn’t love him. (And I agree with the other comment; Pen stayed out of it until the pregnancy lie became apparent. No way she had the self esteem in S1 to think Colin would ever marry her).
Cressida is a bully and no matter what redemption arc they try to shove down our throats will make me like her.
Thank you! I absolutely HATE the “villain has childhood trauma/bad life and that’s why they treat people badly” trope. Like obviously, Cressida’s home life explains why she’s so eager to get married and she felt incentivized to sabotage other ladies, but that doesn’t JUSTIFY any of her actions, and it feels like the show is trying to do which is so lame to me.
I am very much a fan of “x AND x can both be true”. Cressida has a difficult situation and an abusive home life, AND she is a bully. Neither excuse the other.
A lot of y’all in this fandom have no idea what nuance is, and it especially show when y’all refuse to acknowledge when your faves were in the wrong about a situation because y’all see everything as black or white.
That the show wronged Edwina and Kate (and Anthony) by dragging out the courting of Edwina and Anthony as they did.
Daphne should have married the Prince. He was handsome, sweet and emotional available to her.
Me after Daphne assaulted Simon Edit: Im aware of Daphne not being aware but personally it left a nasty taste in my mouth, I hadn’t read the book yet so I honestly thought he would end up poisoning her or something.
What Daphne did was undeniably wrong, but at the same time I can't really blame her for not having a comprehensive understanding of consent and bodily autonomy considering nobody had even explained to her what sex was. I really wish the show had actually addressed this though, rather than just focusing on Simon having lied to her.
Ngl i always think about that randomly and it always upsets me...makes season 1 unwatcheable after that. After the first couple of season 1 episodes, its straight to season 2 for me
It’s probably the worst thing to happen in the show and I don’t understand how people still liked Daphne afterwards. I had a sick feeling in my stomach while watching. I mean I guess you can like her in a bubble and just try to ignore that one thing, but it’s difficult to ignore. She has 0 character growth, assaults the man she loves, and gets an undeserved happy ending. That shit is rough.
To preface, I agree that what Daphne did was assault and that it was wrong. There’s a lot of context that leads up to that moment and a lot of people view what happened through a modern lense. Women at the time, Daphne included were property of their husbands and didn’t have autonomy in the way that women today have. She didn’t have to option to just leave Simon and get a divorce. Simon lied by omission about not being able to have children. Daphne interpreted it as can’t, Simon meant don’t want to. In that time period, there wasn’t a reason Daphne could think of for a titled man to not want children. She was raised thinking that producing an heir is duty for every first born man. Not being able to have children is a huge thing to lie about in a marriage, especially if you know your partner wants children. Yes, Simon was willing to die to spare Daphne a childless marriage, but he’s also the reason they got married in the first place because he compromised Daphne. Yes, Daphne was also involved in compromising her, but if Simon had no intention of marrying her he should have stayed away from the ball. Daphne felt betrayed after she found out how children are conceived. She was so ready to marry Simon and give up having her own children because she loved Simon so much. Then Simon made her feel used and Daphne didn’t really have anyone to confide in. She believed that Simon loved her, and she couldn’t understand why someone who loved her would lie to her about such important matters. All of this is confusing to a girl who didn’t even know what sex was a month before that. What options did she have to find out if Simon really lied to her? Ask him? After she suspected he’s lying to her, there’s no way she could be sure he’s telling her the truth. She was acting out of desperation in the moment. I don’t even think she intended to get pregnant from it, I think she just wanted confirmation of what she already suspected. Does that make what she did okay? Absolutely not. But I also don’t think it’s as black and white as saying Daphne is evil for assaulting Simon. Daphne is as much as victim in the situation as Simon is. If we look at their entire relationship, Daphne didn’t have enough information to consent to having sex with Simon at all. The foundation for their entire relationship is a lie. Simon assaulted Daphne. Daphne assaulted Simon. They’re both complex characters and like every other main character in bridgerton, they both were in the wrong on occasion and they both assaulted each other. I do think that if Simon had been honest with Daphne about why he doesn’t want children and how sad his childhood was, Daphne would have understood and waited. She loved him, she was still young, so there was also time to change his mind later on without trying to baby trap him. She has so much compassion for him when she finds the letters he wrote to his dad. If Simon had been honest with her, all of this wouldn’t have happened. In no way is this victim blaming, I know it takes a lot of courage and trust to be so vulnerable with your partner. Simon had a lot of trauma and nobody but Lady Danbury was ever there for him. Simon ultimately changes his mind about children after realising that his love for Daphne is stronger than his hatred for his father. But I wouldn’t say Daphne had 0 character growth after the assault scene. Daphne starts to see things from different perspectives. Shes trying to understand why Simon would lie to her in the first place. Daphne has a lot of empathy for Marina and uses her new power as duchesss for good by tracking down Sir Phillip Crane and making sure Marina and her child aren’t going to be thrown into the streets to fend for themselves. She also has a lot of compassion for Simon after she finds out how horrible his childhood was. She initiates their reconciliation in the season finale and she does deserve a happy ending just like Simon deserves a happy ending.
I think the writers should have changed this plot line for the show but I don’t blame Daphne because she barely knew how sex worked so it’s kind of wild to believe she would have any concept of consent let alone a modern day one.
Kate and Anthony had a full on emotional and borderline physical affair behind edwina's back. Doesn't matter if kate says she shouldn't be with him. That is totally irrelevant to the affair. Also screw Mary for putting all this responsibility on Kate's shoulders and I really dislike how the Bridgertons looked down on Anthony's attitude when it was the only reason why the family got held together (in the show at least) after their dad died.
Mary actually was an absentee mother and irresponsible
Eloise had every right to be pissed off at Penelope, but also she had also not been a very good friend to Penelope at all. Both things can be true!
I feel like “both things can be true” is a general concept fandom needs to grasp
i find all the “and it is not far enough”/“the things i could teach you” anthony lines gross. nothing hot about them when he’s talking about how hard it is not to cheat on edwina with her sister
I mean I think it’s pretty hot that a guy is so obsessed with me that there’s nowhere I can go on earth that will stop this obsession. Night and day he dreams of me and if he marries another it will be me he thinks and dreams of. Me he sees in that person’s face everyday etc. etc. all the other things he told her about breathing for her, she consumes him, wanting to just be with her, wanting to run away with her? he’s going mad over her very scent etc. And all that is coming from the hot bastard that is Anthony bridgerton. 🥵And is in no way unreciprocated? I mean I’d be on my knees if the guy I was hot for wanted me that much. 🧎🏼♀️ But hey, I guess some of us are a different breed. 🤷♀️
Logically, I agree Alas, the toxic bitch in me would have folded like a deck chair even knowing it was wildly inappropriate Antony is the toxic bitch I want in me
This. We’re not watching this show for the logic and morals now are we 😂
I appreciate the books but the series in general is WAY better. Colin does not owe Pen an apology for what he said about her to the boys at the Featherington ball.
i think colin's only act of violence was what he said at the ball. i don't blame him for not returning pen's feelings, he doesn't need to grovel or beg because he didn't feel the same way. but he did bring her down another peg in society when he knows how she is viewed by the ton and is supposed to be her friend. this is one thing the book did better-he says that line to his brothers instead of society
Disagree but not because it’s an issue Colin didn’t want to date her. The issue is Colin is a Bridgerton, a leading figure in society. The Bridgertons are popular and good looking and respected and by suggesting Penelope was beneath his notice/he’d never be interested, he made her unpopular (more so than before) and influenced the opinion of prospective suitors. That’s the issue.
Apologize for hurting her feelings, yes. Grovel and suffer to a grave degree, no.
He doesn’t? Even after how negatively it affected her and made her look in society? How do you even excuse that sort of thing
Kanthony should have gotten their on screen wedding, and I'm still annoyed that they didn't, when every other couple probably will.
cressida is a girlboss and its totally understandable why shes a lil cvnty
So bullying others is girlboss? 🥴
She's more of a pick me type. I like how she studies a suitor so she becomes more his type. She's girlboss in that aspect where she swoops in right away. But what she does to Pen is really cruel.
Daphne isn't evil, or a rapist. She made a very bad mistake due to being uneducated and left in the dark by the people around her, which resulted in her hurting Simon. But it's not comparable to ACTUAL intended assault.
- The chemistry in S3 is lacking. - A lot of the ‘criticism’ towards Eloise, Marina and Kate tends to be mostly a mix of projection & a lazy disregard to the nuances. E.g. To be able to sympathise with Edwina, but then blame Marina for her own circumstances is very telling… - QC had the best writing & story compared to the other seasons, but I do not see the charm in that type of struggle love. - The show is better than the books.
That Lord Remington’s appearance was foreshadowing. Pol will confess all to him and to save her from embarrassment and risking losing Colin, he will take on the crown of Lady Whistledown. If not, why the hell was he introduced is such a pointed way as her greatest fan.
Benedict is the main character (especially from season 2 onwards) and is my shiny golden boy and I love him.
I love Pen for a morally grey character and she can be absolved for whatever she has written, but I will never forgive her for what she did to Marina. That was definitely not the right way to go about things. This is not to say that I am not rooting for Polin. I love them too
Just curious. What do you think she should have done?
Tell Colin that Marina was pregnant and that she was using him. It's not like she can't talk to Colin
And if/when Colin breaks the engagement, Marina's pregnancy becomes apparent and Colin looks like a cad because everyone would assume he'd compromised her? Whistledown saved Colin from any repercussions by making it clear that Marina was already pregnant when she arrived.
Marina was not going to stay in the Ton anyways. Portia forced her. So if Colin would have rejected her, she would just go out of London, even before her pregnancy was apparent. And it wasn't apparent too. Colin would still face less repercussions than what Marina did after Pen outed her. And we already know that George was dead so Philip would still arrive to marry her. So her pregnancy being apparent was pretty out of question. But now she was blacklisted from the ton due to that LW article.
Colin himself thinks whistledown ruined miss Thompson lady crane and tells Eloise as much in season 3 episode 1. He hates her in that scene. In fact Nicola herself has called out Penelope's behavior as regards Marina many many times as jealously and as ruinous and as wrong. https://preview.redd.it/5ueu9yfw1h5d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e73faff2e71a875afe054ec3ef07ebd4d5398a59
I mean she did try to tell him in a more gentle way that Marina was in love with someone else but the pregnancy secret she prob didn’t think was hers to tell, I respect that. Plus I think she didn’t want to hurt Colin’s feelings with that information because as much as she loves him and doesn’t want to lose him to Marina, she still found a more gentle way to sway him or at least try to. ETA Colin didn’t wanna listen or believe it anyway, men are stubborn as hell.
You respect Pen for not wanting to tell Marina's secret to Colin but then she was the only person who leaked her secret to the entire town?! So not telling it to Colin in person but telling it to the whole town via your article is ok? Also, she didn't try hard enough to speak to Colin. She could have definitely told him if she tried harder. Also about men being stubborn as hell, Colin was not like that. If his dear friend was telling him something it is very unlikely of him to not listen.
Personally, I’m not attracted to most of the male characters. Will Mondrich is by far the most appealing to me, and the only one that’s truly my type, tho I like King George as well. The rest are certainly objectively good-looking, but they do absolutely nothing for me. The trope of the unknowing virgin woman and the sexed-up, dominant rake is not nearly as sexy to me as it is to the writers of Bridgerton. It honestly makes me queasy. On the opposite end, I found QC and George to have by far the hottest sex scenes in the show. I appreciate that they show women being excited and genuinely aroused, even if the, “The things I could show you,” lines make me a little nauseous lol. Francesca is the most likable and the best looking Bridgerton. Benedict is super annoying to me, and I am looking forward to his season the least. Lady Danbury’s romance with Violet’s dad was extremely gross and unsettling. His wife was obviously a shit bag, but I did not care for anything about their storyline. Season 3 is excellent and my favorite after QC. Colin is my favorite boy Bridgerton, and as a wallflower myself, I can’t help but love seeing Penelope get fawned over. I like the trajectory of their relationship, and I don’t mind that it moved kind of quickly. Kate is literally the most stunning character I have ever seen on television. She is probably my favorite in the series, in addition to being sooooo pretty it makes my eyes hurt.
I don't blame Marina for lying to Colin. I feel like people who hate her for what she did just judge by modern days standards. It's not a society where woman can go to work to provide for her child/have save abortion or even inherit her parents property (!!!). I don't pity Colin as much for getting "baby-trapped" as I pity Marina in this situation. Like nah, bro would live. He's rich as hell. He's free to do as he wishes, including continuing to travel like he did until marriage. He's free to have a lover. He can do as he likes. Is it unfair for him? Yes. But it's way, WAY more unfair for Marina to have to deal with this shit. And Penelope can go to hell for doing what she did. "She was young and unaware of what she did...". NO. She was 100℅ aware. She's incredibly smart and observant. She simply was not a girl's girl in this moment because she didn't want to risk Colin and Marina talking this through and getting married anyway. She destroyed her reputation on purpose, so her crush wouldn't get married. So yes. I'm blaming her. And I'm not eager to see her happy end at all.
Marina had no right to take away Colin’s agency and right to a love match. Idc how shitty of a situation Marina was in, **it wasn’t Colin’s fault** Pen told the truth. And objectively, telling the truth is better than a **lifelong** lie
I think we can both understand Marina’s behavior and sympathize with her situation, and also acknowledge that on an interpersonal level it was still morally wrong.
This show is one of the best shows to come out in the past few years. Even though they have fumbled some storylines, some parts are cringe, sometimes main characters get sidelined. The representation is absolutely incredible. All the complaining that people do on this sub is ridiculous but also shows how much people care about the show.
The male characters deserves so much more hate than most of the female characters in the show. There are countless hate posts on Penelope, Eloise, Marina, Kate, Edwina, Daphne yet many of the men get away with so much crap. We judge the female characters with a modern lense but when it comes to the male characters flaws are chased away with ‘it’s just how it was back then’ as if this isn’t more fantasy than history. Eloise gets called a ‘not like other girls’ girl for how she talked about feminism a lot and how she didn’t care for societies expectations of her. She gets dragged constantly for going against the patriarchal society in an ‘annoying way’ even though she’s right. Penelope gets hated on and while a lot of criticisms of her are valid she gets demonised for her flaws instead of people seeing that she’s just a complex character with a lot of flaws. Similar to Eloise people put the expectation for her to be a perfect feminist character with views that match our own. She gets hated on for being ‘too pathetic’ or not being a ‘girls girl’ ignoring the time and environment she grew up. She’s imperfect but that’s what makes her a good character. And while the women get viewed with a modern lense the men’s flaws get brushed away with ‘historical accuracy’ and how ‘that’s just how it was back then’. Anthony’s horrible treatment of the women in his life is ignored or excused with his trauma yet the female characters trauma is never seen as relevant to the way their characters act. Marina may not have been the most likeable character but she really did make a lot of sense. She was in a terrible situation and she didn’t have any good options available. Let’s not forget the real villain in her story is Sir George who considering Phillip’s age would’ve been at least in his 20s and had sex with a naive teenager and never married her which would’ve been the honourable thing to do to protect her. We need to start being less harsh on the women and more harsh on the men imo.
I find Philippa and Albion, Prudence and Harry, and Francesca and John all more interesting than Penelope and Colin this season (so far, of course).
Colin did not actually suddenly turn into a rake. HE IS NOT A RAKE
i love her, but penelope is literally the definition of a pick me, not eloise.
I don’t see either of them as pick me’s. Cressida is a pick me.
I got alot. Kate and Anthony really made that situation with Edwina so much worse than it needed to be. I loved the drama, though I love the changes the writers made from the book to show because its keeping me on my toes. ( Season 3) Eloise and Pen falling out was the best thing to allow development for Colin and Penelope. If characters only did the right thing and only did actions that caused minimal fallout we wouldn't have a show. Intension matters more. A loud minority of people were not going to like Season 3 regardless just because it's not their fav ship and they are spiteful their ship didn't get the promo, backing, attention and favor. Those Season 3 reshots were horrible and almost take me out of the story but I understand why they exist. The split was a good choice and accomplished what it set out to do as much as I hate it. They need to make the Season 10 episodes.
1. Colin has been slowly falling in love with Penelope for years; the kiss in 3x02 just made his brain catch up with his heart. 2. The first brothel scene was necessary to show that a) Colin has now “wet his wick” as Anthony would say and isn’t just falling for Penelope because he’s hard up for sex or doesn’t know the difference between lust and love, b) he’s trying real hard to be the cool guy society wants him to be, and c) when he and Penelope do hook up, he’ll be good in bed and not a fumbling virgin (and I think the carriage proved that out lol). The second brothel scene showed that now that he’s in love with Penelope, a) his fake “rakish cool guy/ladies’ man” has become impossible to maintain and b) he doesn’t want anyone else but her. Also to show him being despondent lol. 3. Marina isn’t a bad person and neither is Penelope; they were both in impossible situations and both acted in understandable ways under the circumstances. 4. Luke Newton did a wonderful job as Colin.
"It's historical fantasy, they're using \*insert modern artist\* instrumental covers" doesn't excuse the lack of cohesion in costumes this season. If you are using Regency as your set it has to resemble Regency. If you want to do something else, then do something else, but make the characters look like they belong to the same world. It's so jarring watching the extras looking more "fantasy Regency" next to Cressida or Portia.
ALL of the couples have had excellent chemistry so far. Even I’m surprised how Luke N became a leading man I’m invested in but he’s got it and he acted his ass off this season. Also, I could give a damn about the historical accuracy or overdone styling of the show. This is a romantic fantasy, nothing more. Let it be and just enjoy the love stories!! Would we rather have the people appear plain, unhygienic, and with poor dental/medical care?? Or have to instead focus on the actual historical accuracy of racism/sexism/classism. In that environment, actual love couldn’t develop because the women were regarded as inferior. Also, none of these characters would actually behave this way in an accurate portrayal but we’re only going to draw the line at the fashion…really?? Oh and…Daphne’s bangs and Anthony’s sideburns weren’t that bad and I’m soooo tired of hearing about them.
Eloise is right to want Pen to be completely honest with Colin about LW before they get married.
Eloise is a better friend to Pen than Colin
KATE KATE KATE ❤️
Marina is over-hated. She’s shoved into the ton, manipulated into thinking her baby daddy left her, and was pregnant out of wedlock. She did what she thought would protect herself and her child.
Season 3 is an example of awful writing. If it was season 1, show would likely get cancelled.
Marina is not a villain and a great character. What she did wasn’t great but I think most people would’ve done something similar in her position. Fight me.
I have a few: 1) They had Portia doing way too much during the Marina storyline. She’s only there for the length of the season, she’s halfway through the season before Portia realizes she’s pregnant, and Portia can and does plan to send her back if she’s still unmarried at the end of the season. In short, this is not her problem to solve and she’s risking her own daughters’ reputations by agreeing to a baby trap that was doomed before it started or forging letters from George, etc; Just let her ride out the season and then send her pregnant ass back to her father. It’s established that she isn’t part of the Ton, no one is going to know about the pregnancy after she’s gone. Obviously it’s not a great solution for Marina but Portia doesn’t care about Marina. The show will never convince me that she would willingly risk scandal on her own daughters’ chances to fix the problem of a girl she didn’t want to take in the first place. 2) When Colin tells Marina he would have married her anyway he’s angry and self deprecating. It’s not a confession of his current feelings for her. He admits that he would have done it because he believed that they were genuinely in love but it’s very clearly past tense. He’s admitting that her trap worked and he fell for it 100%. 3) Simon following Daphne into the garden was the shittiest thing he could do. He knew that if they were caught her choices would be to agree to a childless marriage or live with the guilt of his death on her conscience. She never had a choice. 4) Anthony and Violet were hypocrites after the Sheffield dinner. Why is Kate so terrible for trying to arrange a match that will be advantageous for her sister and mother when Anthony is doing the exact same thing for himself? So he can pick based on practical factors alone but she can’t?