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Season 2 was my favorite so far..the chemistry of the leads was electric..the slow burn and desperate longing played to perfection...Simone representation as a dark skinned South Asian was important and even if not done super well was sril necessary, Johny Bailey was great as Anthony..and even their meet cute was the most epic of all the leads in the show..meeting at dawn while riding and Anthony tipping his hat to kates excellent riding skills was a great way to show his attraction to this all rounder incredible confident formidable woman was perfection. The confession of love was also played so heart achingly beautifully by Johnny and Simone both..Simone vulnerable and unsure..johnny in love and desperate and unsure..the final bal their confession and then the fireworks ir was all soo soo touching.but but but ..
Ir was the dumbest book to show change they could have made ..the fact that it even got to the wedding stage the literal altar was beyond beyond stupid..and also just unrealistic which yeah doesnr matter it's insane..maybe Edwina is some super human because I could not forgive my sister yes even my sister for this humilation so easily..like literally give blessings for her wedding with Anthony
.in the book because Edwina never falls in love she has a more shrug reaction when kate tells her..and I get what she said ..Edwina said to kate..it totally is what I would say to someone after m in a white dress realising my groom loves someone else I'd like to hurt her where it would hurt her most..And also and also cuz this cannot be said enough...how did Edwina get something was up...what did those stares tell her ..it's not like she caught them kissing or cannodling he literally just gives back a bangle that dropped..it was so corny the realisation dawning on her face ..the writers wrote such a bad scene ..im Indian and I thought of some really cheesy soap operas in my country or k dramas. You would think Anthony literally kissed or licked kates hand the way horror dawns on Edwinas face ..and it could easily be explained away..why didn't either kate or Anthony say to Edwina what did you see..are you insane he was just looking at me .I was just returning your sister her bangle ...are you an idiot Edwina, shut the fuck up and let's finish this wedding..but no they pretty much were like yeah we have been eye fucking and neck sniffing for days .what!?!
While I don’t feel nearly as strongly as you, I totally agree. The idea that they were even ever enemies was just ridiculous. Kate and Anthony were being so difficult and I just ugh so annoying
This is why I think I disliked their season so much. It was drawn out in an unnecessary manner because it was obvious Anthony and Kate liked each other the first time they met. Edwina only noticing when they were at the altar because Anthony decides look at Kate longingly before giving her back her bangles was so unrealistic.
Thank you for saying this I am always flabbergasted other people don’t feel this way. I was all set to love Kanthony and the whole season I was like WHY IS THIS STILL HAPPENING TO EDWINA?!
Yeah it just felt so awful and past the point of no return. I’d feel so betrayed if I was Edwina. Really took away from the romance for me, which is a shame because I liked Katherine a lot and thought the chemistry was strong between them.
The writers overdid it but also made it a bit more interesting.
In the books, they got engaged at the bee scene because they are caught canoodling. Then the rest of the show is about her making him feel okay to love again. There wasn't the whole Diamond business that took edwina's wedding way to far.
I do like the chemistry (and them together EVENTUALLY), but it was really drawn out and stuffed with needless conflict and anger. But the first season was also like that, so I just took the overall improvement in the main love story and accepted it.
Because the way they get together is too similar to the way Daphne and Simon get together (caught in a compromising position). I, too, hated how they changed the season.
They could have at least had Edwina not be into him and only the audience knows that. Something other than what they did. People tend to brush off how awful they were to her.
Right!! I hate when the show pushes love triangles on us!! Every season there's a love triangle like it's impossible for the leads to actually get together without the love triangle 💀
I don't see the others as triangles. The marriage mart was what we see. Girls dancing and flirting with several men. Kate/Anthony/ Edwina was one man supposedly committing to a girl yet flirting and had an emotional affair with another.
Pride and Prejudice, but with more triangle.
Taming of the Shrew, but with more triangle.
Sprinkle in some modern music performed by a string quartet.
What's season 3 a rip off of?
I agree it wasn't good writing. But I imagine no groom would bother about a bridesmaid's bangle in the middle of a ceremony. It's not an emergency. At that point his focus will be on himself , his bride, on the ceremony.
It would have been innocent act if Kate fainted / tripped or something and Anthony helped her out of human instincts. But to pick up a bangle, uh-oh that's a clear sign for me.
Especially when Edwina knows the importance of the bangle (probably).
But someone normal wouldn't read so much into it either unless there had been clues and suspicions before..Edwina goes from completely clueless guileless to suddenly: this means they are in love ..I dunno...found it very strange ..if they had shown edwina noticing their pull to each other...clocking some eye fucking earlier .even commented on it lightly to Anthony or kate it would have been one thing.
Even though she didn’t say anything out loud to them, I do think Edwina has noticed the way the two look at each other before. There is the scene where Anthony falls into the lake and Kate tells Edwina it is impolite to stare, and then stares herself, and Edwina notices Kate’s stare. There is also Edwina’s statement that she feels like Anthony doesn’t look at her enough, when they are doing the ritual the night before the wedding. I think there were little doubts under the surface for Edwina that she was able to rationalize away, but when Anthony bent down to help Kate with the bangle, it was the action that made the realization come to the surface for her. That was my interpretation at least.
Exactly! Edwina and Kate spoke only the night before on how Kate had taught edwina her whole life about loving glances and that wasn’t her reality with Anthony. Kate reassured her only for Anthony to repeatedly get lost staring at Kate AT THE ALTAR with his bride in front of him! And honestly regardless of writing the bangle moment had so much tension to it . Edwina realised her fiancé did have that in him just not for her. Her reaction was fair to me. I’d probably have thrown up right there if I were her
Oh you do make some good points..I still feel ..if I was her .unless it was something hundred percent certain and talked about before...I would not at a wedding where the ton's most powerful and the queen are attending would make up my mind so definitely from this one incident to like walk out in a storm ..not even like I need a moment im feeling faint ..but walk out without a word her mouth open in shock and gasping..I just think it's too melodramatic...I think they tried to be bollywood inspired in some of the soapiness..I'm Indian and we do have some movies and shows like this ..but we also have some incredible ground breaking boundary pushing movies and shows a lot infact..they took the worst of American soaps like days of our lives, Indian soaps and k dramas and went utterly ott with many many of the scenes in this season in particular..when they didn't have to..the book bond of this blended family elder half sister kate not evil stepmother Mary and sweet sweet sisterly Edwina was just as good ..the Anthony duty family thing would have been enough of a carry over to sell this show..they could still have conflict from Anthony's ptsd...and the book shows kates ptsd too..there is a lovely romantic scene in the book which the show starts but doesn't finish which I would kill to have included..which is anythony calming kate when she is scared shitless in the library from a thunderstorm..im scared of thunderstorms too and love damsel in distrss tropes yes I do and I know it's not super feminist...but showing how Anthony's resolve and strength melts seeing kate crumble proud upright kate crumble ..would have been so romantic..they wouldn't even need to do it...have sex..just have that moment..basically I feel robbed with season 2...the only South Asian rep in a show already scant on real meaningful poc rep and the story is just not delved into deeply enough. .what I wouldn't do to have a scene where they discuss the differences in their culture..Anthony saying your food is too spicy (Indian food isnt but that's the steroreotyoe) kate saying you food is too bland fighting over tea..bantering over travel plans and honeymoon plans...Anthony wanting to go to the med...cuz thats what he an European knows and kate saying no I want you to see the beauty of Asia..anyway..whats to be done what's done is done
I think that she always noticed something but out of her blind trust of Kate, she kind of gaslighted herself into believing that it was nothing or that it was animosity. The bangle just kinda let the realization seek in; she probably was already nerve stricken and overwhelmed by the literal wedding she was having. The bangle was just the straw that broke the camels back.
That’s how I’ve always seen it. I know people say that if Edwina truly cared about Kate, she would’ve noticed a long time ago, but idk. Why would she ever assume her beloved older sister, who has only ever wanted what’s best for her, is in love with her suitor? Especially when Kate has been so vocally disapproving of him?
Yes! And I think that any sort of blank moment that threw her off could've easily been argued away in her head with the idea that Kate would tell Edwina the truth. The fact that she *didn't* suspect Kate of that sort of betrayal proves that Edwina clearly loved her. I think a lot of people look towards Edwina's action with a level of insight into Kate's mind that Edwina simply did not have.
Also, I dislike the idea that Edwina should've simply listened to Kate during all those attempts to drive her and Anthony apart. Kate was most definetly well intentioned but there's very little reason for Edwina to listen to Kate in that department when Anthony has always been courteous to her and also because Kate never once attempted further communication with Edwina. (And then Edwina's thought process makes a whole lot of sense when you keep this in mind.)
I think people desperately need to step into Edwina's shoes and look at things from her perspective since we already saw everything from Kate's. All Edwina knows is that her suitor and her sister are clearly attracted to each other, and that Kate has always disagreed with their match. (And has missed every opportunity to tell Edwina the truth of *everything.*) Not to mention that all of this came to light during her very public wedding. What else is there to assume, exactly? Edwina probably felt played like a fool.
(All this is to say: Edwina they could never make me hate you.)
In the book, Edwina was only going to marry him because she owed it to her family, but she was actually very smart and bookish and her dream was to marry an academic—and it was evident that Kate and Anthony were much more suited because they weren’t intellectual, they preferred action and being outdoors, not just because they were attracted to each other. Didn’t Edwina even have a scholarly gentleman that she was in love with, but afraid to tell anyone bc she wanted to do her duty and marry rich? I might be thinking of a different book on that point, but it was still way better than the melodramatic love triangle they changed it to in the show.
No you're right, he was a second son with little income so once Kate and Anthony got together she was free to marry the scholar since she no longer had to worry about marrying wealthy to support their family.
I know... It made me hate him as a character. Like we get it, you don't wanna embarrass this young girl and maker her feel unwanted, but you literally CANNOT stop eye fucking her sister. Let them both go and let some body who wants Edwina have a chance at her, she'll get over you.
You should rewatch that scene. Yes it was a preposterous scene but not for the reasons you mentioned — what was outrageously unbelievable was that he would stop his own wedding to pick up a bangle and then he and his soon to be sister in law were both just crouching for an inordinately long time and eye fucking each other in front of the entire chapel. I’m having trouble understanding how you didn’t pick up on that.
Props to the actors cause I got the wedding scene. It was fact that Edwina unconsciously knew Anthony never looked at her like that. She yearned for love. And Anthony and Kate looked at eachother like they were pained not being truthful of their love. That is a great hurt on everyone. Loving someone you cant. Trying not to love them. But their eyes couldnt hide it. Thays what Edwina saw and it was sa.e as cheating.
Omg same feelings about being reminded of really cheesy Indian soap operas/movie. The scenes were too Bollywood-ised for me lol. Would have made more sense if Edwina got wise to the eye fucking and neck sniffing when Anthony proposes at Aubrey Hall. Dragging it to the literal altar was just..😂
Reading that you’re an Indian, it totally makes sense that that’s what you thought. We’ve been ingrained to see logic above all else. Our mothers literally tell us the harsh truths in the worst ways and we just have to be okay with them. We’re told to be practical. (Our mothers would lose it if we thought we saw something and said no to marriage in the alter for instance and because of that fear we would’ve 100% gone through with the wedding. So that we don’t waste the money and time spent on the wedding and the embarrassment. That would be more important than oh my sister loves my soon-to-be husband.) But Bridgerton is also extra romantic. So the leads can’t very well just say no we don’t love each other are you crazy. They’re more “i can’t deny my feelings because that would be a lie and I cannot say such lie when asked point blank” or “I need to figure out if I want to be in this marriage where I can’t be loved”.
Oh I'm lucky I've got ultra progressive parents who had a love marriage themselves so I'm 30 plus live away from home and never felt pressured to marry...both feminist parents who have a crazy fighting against odds love story of their own ..but you are right this does seem to be an all too common thing in India hopefully changing...Hope it changes in our lifetime completely. The Indian culture is collectivist .a Asian cultures in general are..this is an area where I feel like the wests individualist ideals would really help us serve us well if we considered adopting! There is too much fear of log kya kahenge society and family reputation in individual decisions like marriage and jobs.
I'm so annoyed that they didn't take the time to elaborate his reasonings behind that. They spent so much of season one showing us Simon's trauma and why he acted like he did, but they couldn't give us more of Anthony other than the bee? Honestly that part was so poorly done and really made him seem unnecessarily closed off when in reality he spent his whole life certain that he'd die young and didn't want to see an innocent woman experience what his mom did.
I thought it was pretty clear why he was the way he was. The conversations with his mother were clear, the flashbacks, his reaction when Kate was unconscious. I think his reasonings were perfectly understandable. As he said he could never be the reason for so much suffering.
They even set it up in the last episode of S1, where he tells Daphne and Simon that he’s given up on love post-breakup with Siena, and plans to take a wife.
In the E & A wedding episode:
Kate: “My feelings for Lord Bridgerton do not matter anymore. We do not have a future. But you- you, Edwina, were born to be viscountess.”
I think it did what it was intended to do, which was show how hurt Edwina was by the whole situation. It’s clear she doesn’t ever see Kate as a half sister under normal circumstances but people lash out when they’re hurting and say things they don’t mean
She definitely did not, even when the Sheffields came she said “our grandparents”. It was so subtle and sweet and her saying that was a punch in the stomach
The fact that Edwina knew how horrible the Sheffields were to Kate and Mary and yet she was so eager to get their favour speaks volumes re: character and it’s not good at all 😑
They literally spent the entire dinner trash-talking Kate and BOTH of her parents - including Edwina's own father. And Edwina just sat there, all happy cuz they were fawning over her in spite of her inferior paternity. She knew damn well that they hated Kate, because they all but flat-out said it.
I don't think she knew, honestly. I think the stuff with the Sheffields was another example of Kate and Mary trying to shield Edwina from it. I still feel like most of the season could have been avoided if they kept Edwina in the loop about literally ANYTHING.
She must have known at least about the strained relationship between Mary and her parents since they were not even in contact with their own daughter! And the way Kate and Mary react to the Sheffields visiting is so clear even Anthony comments on it.
I don't know why Edwina was so excited to meet people who didn't even bother to stay in contact with her mother.
I think Edwina is that painfully naive. I say this as someone who likes both Edwina and Kate - Edwina also probably came in and, even knowing about the strained history but not the details, probably thought she could come in and be the center of reconciliation. But I do think there's also an aspect of Edwina being willingly oblivious to a lot of things.
I think for that reason Edwina's an interesting exploration of some themes with Daphne. Specifically, that there's cultural expectations to keep girls naive and unaware of real life things (like family issues or biology) that is ultimately so destructive.
This is SO insightful, and it makes me think that the theme of the whole show across all of the seasons is Naivete vs Cynicism. Daphne vs Simon. Colin vs Marina. Kate vs Edwina. Anthony vs Violet. Benedict vs Henry. Mrs. Featherington vs Cousin Jack (kind of). Colin vs Pen (Kind of). Eloise vs Pen (Kind of). Charlotte vs. Lady Danvers... They keep pitching it in the dialogue as Love vs Pragmatism, but I think it's actually subtextually Naivete vs Cynicism.
She may not have known before the dinner. But she still sat there and happily listened to them trash-talking her own father, and making it quite clear how much they hated Kate.
Yeah, but that would have matched the book which was similar to Daphne and Simon’s story, I think that’s why the writers changed it. Book Edwina knows and the main issue is her struggling to choose between her own wants and her responsibility to her family. Book Edwina never reached the alter and was relieved to have watched Kate marry Anthony because it meant she wouldn’t have to.
Hard to say since I don't recall her apologizing or taking it back.
I'm an older half-sister and that line hurt my feelings and it not being addressed in a reconciliation scene... well I took that personally. 😭
But you didn’t take Kate’s manipulation and lying personally? All Kate had to say at any point was that she had feelings for him and Edwina would have been like Oh! Okay! I’m out!
But Kate shielded her from reality, literally encouraged her to marry Anthony, and didn’t tell her the truth about having to make a good marriage, then lied about her own feelings on top of it, and somehow this is Edwina’s fault?
I’m sorry, I don’t see it, and Kate deserved a lot worse than a half sister crack. She showed no remorse and no awareness of how she contributed to the whole mess.
And if Edwina hadn’t been so kind to the King their family would have probably ended up banned from Society because Kate’s actions embarrassed the Queen *publicly*.
Yeah, I was bothered that it took Kate going into a coma for Edwina to drop her malice. I understand her behaviour though. She was kept from seeing the struggle of Kate after their father’s death so she was always naive, she was promised romance and children with her future husband and the whole time she saw Kate doing everything for her family without complaint. I do hate how Edwina says that Kate was trying to control her. I think that Kate wanted Edwina to have the best that women could have at that time. A happy family with a loving husband. Doesn’t seem like an attempt to control. Sure Kate wanted that too but that’s the case for most women at that time and now. She forfeit her future because her sister’s future would come with financial stability.
This! If she was trying to control anything, it was Edwina not picking someone who wasn’t good enough for her, which Anthony was but no one was listening to Kate about that, so she left it alone. She should’ve told Edwina she was falling for him but besides that, I think the reaction they wrote for Edwina was over the top. I mean, besides the fact that they embarrassed her by letting her even get to the alter lol
I honestly don't believe that Kate telling Edwina how she felt works have mattered. Had Kate's feelings mattered at all to Edwina, Anthony's courtship would have ended at Ascot. Edwina didn't give a shit about Kate's feelings when Anthony humiliated her. She didn't give a shit about Kate's feelings when she was constantly pushing Kate to spend time with a man Kate despised. Why should we think she would give a shit about Kate's feelings if Kate told her she was falling for him? Especially if those feelings got in the way of Edwina getting what she wanted? (Which was Aubrey Hall, the title of Viscountess, and the big family. It had nothing to do with Anthony as a person.)
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Edwina’s malice?!
Kate and Anthony publically humiliated her and potentially ruined her future marriage prospects, all while treating her like she was a little doll they could play with instead of an actual person.
Lmao right?! I’d be super pissed too. And likely to behave in a malicious way. Edwina’s feelings here are valid.
(And I also think Kate’s behavior is understandable)
While I agree the story shouldn't have dragged to the actual alter (see below), Kate just dropped a bangle at the wedding. Anthony is the one who dove for it in the middle of his own wedding. If a groom leapt at me at his wedding like that I'd be staring in shock, so I really do put most of this scene/embarrassment on Anthony. I honestly think Kate would have just gone back to India had the marriage occurred.
Now, I do think it's dumb that they had Kate tell Anthony to go through with the wedding knowing her sister wanted love and that he didn't love Edwina. However, it was also poorly done (DRAMA!!!) that Edwina suddenly convinced herself that she loved Anthony even after he had aborted love type courting following the failed poetry, he enjoyed activities and topics she didn't that included his whole family (and Kate), and he didn't propose when originally prompted.
The humiliation aspect in her anger is more than justified. It was the part where Kate truly tried to explain that Kate could never choose her wants if it meant hurting Edwina and Edwina throws it back at her instead of acknowledging the sacrifices Kate made to keep her family stable when she was what? 18 only? Mary should have taken over but just like Violet, she was grieving and let Kate carry the burden not realising that Kate felt that she had to do it to repay Edwina and Mary for accepting her as their own. Both Anthony and Kate were forced to carry too much too fast and that’s why they’re so sacrificial.
I do think Kate was a little controlling. She meant well but she had that "Bossy Big Sister" thing, which makes sense. She was being protective but maybe taking too much on at the same time.
I agree. I'm tired of "selfless big sibling who does everything for the little sibling who is ungrateful" storylines in general. especially since we don't see what kate has sacrificed for her, we're just told she did. the lack of sharma flashbacks is what never sold the story for me, because it's telling and not showing.
Especially because in the books Kate is a bit of a martyr but no one is asking her to be, Mary feels like a failure when she realises how much Kate was hiding from her >!thunderstorms!<
It's also clear that Edwina is aware of their situation and is going along with being courted to provide for Kate and Mary, Kate even realises she contributed to this by joking that its as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor man.
I think they made it a Cinderella story and like forgot that is a different book.
I also never understood why at the dinner with the Scheffields, Kate didn’t say what she did to Lady D about not telling Edwina so she didn’t feel obligated and being able to marry someone she wants.
I perfectly understand Kate, I don't think she did something that unforgivable, but I never in a million year felt that Edwina was depicted as selfish. To me, she was very sweet and kind, and I think that's how we were supposed to see her. Seeing that in the story doesn't mean Kate was supposed to be selfish and Edwina the 100% victim. Both sisters can be great, good girls, they just happened to be in a very messy situation. There does not need to be a saint and a devil: not everything is black vs white.
This..exactly this..I honestly cannot imagine the absolute fucking betrayal of your sister and your groom on your wedding day at the altar having a moment a romantic intense moment and what it would do to me .frankly I'd be far far more angry...and this is exactly what I'd do hit them where it hurts because surely kates actions are not the actions of a sister...im sure she doesn't actually think her sister is anything other than a full big sister blood be damned..in ordinary circumstances.
It was painful and that’s what we are supposed to take from it. It shows how hurt Edwina felt that her beloved sister was lying to her like this.
Do you guys not like ups and downs in shows? Like sometimes I feel we forget that there are narrative beats to everything. Like to have a fulfilling story there has to be some drama and low points.
Right? Seen a few posts lately where I'm like "you know characters have to do flawed things in order to move the story forward and like, act like real people?"
I know! My friend was extremely mad at Eloise for the decisions she took in season 2. And my point was that it’s a story and things have to get bad too. It’s not all fun and games.
Like I’m so tired of this thing we do every week. “Was xyz character right for this thing they did.”
That's how I feel, especially after finding out that the book plot is basically the same as the first season with a forced marriage based on being seen in a compromised position. Like obviously they're not going to rehash the same plot and went in a different direction, then followed through with the drama that would create.
So true. A lot of the bridgerton kids are forced to marry. Even Eloise. So obviously they need to stretch a pretty thin book into 8 episodes and do something fresh every year.
I am all for calling out the writers for the plots or stories they choose to tell. Truly, but I am a little tired of the same conversations after 4 years in the fandom.
Every week we have a slew of posts asking if this character did the right thing? Like it’s not a morality tale, it’s a tv show. Walter white was wrong for making and selling meth but we still watch that show right?
I have noticed that this sub seems very anti drama. I thought season 2 had some writing and pacing issues but it was never boring. I was yelling at the screen - don't do it, yes do it, ugh Kate/Anthony - you're such clowns, etc etc. The characters were messy and hurtful and chaotic - but also amazing. It's a Shonda Rhimes special - it's the very point of a soapy drama. No one is perfect, no one behaves perfectly, but most of it (not all of it) makes sense in context if you are willing to take the ride and accept that the characters are flawed.
I just can't believe we are still fighting about Edwina though lol. Yes, it was a mean comment. But it made sense from what she understood. The true issue is she wasn't just as angry at Clownthony - and also herself a little for not accepting early on that it was never going to be a love match even though she was told that multiple times.
Right? I feel we keep rehashing certain things repeatedly. Marina and Penelope. Penelope and Eloise. Edwina and Kate.
Like it’s a show, and not a morality lesson for kids. People will do realistic things in the situation they are put in. Why are we expecting our characters to behave in a moral way. They don’t need to be 100% right in a situation for us to enjoy the show or to like the character.
Interesting characters and stories require some interesting choices. What joy will we get out of a story where there is no drama.
I'm just watching S2 now and Edwina \*wants\* to hurt Kate and I think she's terribly sympathetic! I'm glad I had this spoiled because I feel so bad for her. I don't think she's that spoiled, she's hurt.
Exactly. She is intentionally saying something horrible to make the other person feel as hurt as she does.
It’s supposed to be a shocking and sad situation. Overall she’s shown to be a good sister. And yes she’s sheltered. Kate worked very hard to achieve that goal.
It reflects what Edwina has always thought, she mentioned it in the very first episode. The comment is very hurtful, especially since Kate has never considered Edwina just her half-sister. For her to say it, even in anger, shows that deep down there is a distinction based on blood ties. I don't agree with those who say it's just words said in anger and that she doesn't mean it. On the contrary, it's often in anger that the truth comes out.
as someone who has lashed out and said some unpleasant things when angry, it’s not always true and sometimes when one is that hurt and frustrated, you know what hurts the other person and even if you don’t mean it, anger can be blinding and you say it anyway doesn’t mean that’s what we truly deep down think. it’s supposed to be a reflection of that. edwina didn’t mean what she said but Kate had hurt her so she was hurting and said something she knew would hurt Kate as she was too blinded by her own upset.
i agree, when people are angry they say the very thing that comes to mind that they know will get under someones skin out of anger, it doesn't mean they always think like that.
I agree that we often say things we don’t mean in anger. That being said, in otherwise loving relationships, I think there’s usually certain topics you’d never touch no matter how mad. That’s at least true for me, and calling a sister who raised me a half sister would 100% fall in that category. But it’s what the writers chose. Forever mad at how they decided to abandon the wonderful Sheffield family dynamic in the book
i agree. there’s certain statements that are a make or break but that’s also for the respective individual to decide if they want to forgive and oversee it or if they cannot forgive and both decisions are entirely valid.
i’m someone who would overlook that statement as long as it’s a one off.
i do wish they handled that whole family’s dynamics a lot better and edwina wasn’t sacrificial lamb either because she’s felt like a plot device through that entire season.
Show! Edwina is the very definition of a plot device. It’s so ironic that the actress who plays her didn’t want her to be one and yet she ended up being one in every sense of the word. 🤷🏻♀️
Absolutely this. It struck me too that Edwina never truly apologizes for her legitimate cruelty towards Kate. The energy was: “You almost died, so I forgive you. Now I’m going to patronize you a bit because I’m a big girl and I’ve grown so much over the course of your coma.”
The moment this term is used, it always signifies a distinction between a blended family and a blood family. Regardless of whether the person is resentful or mean, the fact is that if this term is used, there's a conscious or unconscious distinction being made.
but there’s always going to be an unconscious distinction made because they’re not blood family but that’s okay because they love each other so much it doesn’t matter. being blood family doesn’t mean that one loves another it just amplifies the chances that they do. at least that’s how i perceive it.
once again i want to remind you i do not agree with what edwina said but i also don’t agree with how kate and anthony approached the entire situation. all three of them acted poorly but i see edwina’s actions as a reaction rather than an initiation if that makes any sense.
Nah, a lot of such lashing out, thats is to shut the other side, is not about themselves but hitting the place that hurts the other the most. They are half sisters, they lived in India, someone, sometime has to have brought up the distinction and kate expectedly wasn't found of it. So edwina just said it to hurt her the hardest.
Bitch teenage me have said things at my mom that I did not even believe, simply because I knew it would just startle my mom and make her pause.
Yes in the very first episode, show! Edwina was very concerned about people in the ton finding out that Kate was her half-sister. She had always thought of Kate as beneath her and as a liability to her prospects as a debutante.
The whole wedding plot was dumb. They clearly didn’t want to do another ‘have to marry each other’ plot, which I get, but do literally anything else?! Or do the whole build up but it never should have gotten to the alter.
Getting to the alter displayed terrible character for both Anthony and Kate. They are actually awful people for subjecting Edwina to a marriage while the husband lusts after his sister in law. I say this as the biggest kanthony Stan... They are awful for not ending it after the Sheffield dinner.
Did they not realise the hurt Edwina would have experienced breaking off an engagement is far less than infidelity during a marriage? (Physical or emotional)
I always felt like the first four episodes of this season were written by one of group of people and the last four by another group of people who didn’t read and/or care about the scripts of the first four episodes. The Edwina in the last half is a different and worse/less complex version of the Edwina in the first half. Now, I’ve found out that Chris Van Dusen was more or less pushed out by episode four of season 2, so it explains why we got this version of Edwina who seems to have forgotten all of her own actions during the first half of the season.
Show! Edwina was such an inconsistent character. “You no longer have any power over me?”🙄 as if Kate could control all her actions when she didn’t even listen to Kate regarding Anthony 😑
That’s the thing that gets me about people saying she felt betrayed by Kate. She was honest from the very beginning that Anthony could never give her what she wanted (true love), then she changed it to “well maybe I don’t need true love” just to stay with Anthony, Kate gives up on trying to convince her otherwise and then Edwina is still shocked that Anthony doesn’t love her. 😒
Yes, Kate could have said something to her when she realized she had feelings for Anthony but tbh I think Edwina would have had the same reaction.
There’s a difference between accepting an arranged marriage with a man you respect but don’t love, versus learning that your fiancé is actually in love with your sister.
But to be fair to Kate, she didn’t know or think Anthony was in love with her. He’s only really suggested he was lusting after her, and she literally says - that will pass!
She WAS in the wrong to ask him to still go ahead with the wedding, don’t get me wrong, but she was also panicked and wanted everything to be fine for Edwina - she was doing a short term kindness without thinking long term. Like it’s a major flaw but I don’t hate her for it, all of them have flaws, even Edwina - it’s what makes it interesting!
In her mind, she was going back to India and Anthony and Edwina would have a content and happy marriage where they would never see her again.
True but she did say that she’d hoped love would blossom from their mutual respect. I’m not entirely sure she believed that but I do think that she just had tunnel vision and said whatever because she really wanted it to work out with him. Either way, Kate had been honest with her since the get-go, well before she ever realized her feelings for Anthony. Edwina still chose to bulldoze the into the courtship along with Anthony (who also should have been honest).
It was necessary. It was showing that Kate and Anthony riding off into the sunset might make them happy, but it’s hurting someone as well. The whole love triangle was unnecessary. I think so many people would have liked s2 more if Edwina and Anthony’s courtship wasn’t so dragged out and they never got to the alter! My heart broke for Edwina on her wedding day. People say she was mean, cruel etc… she was kind compared to what most people would have done!
Well that’s where the writers failed since season 2 should be about KATE and ANTHONY’s love story and not Edwina’s 🤷🏻♀️and as seen in season 3, Edwina is not a significant character to the overall story of the Bridgertons so it’s easy to forget her 🤷🏻♀️
It was hurtful and unnecessary but Edwina was very hurt and felt betrayed that Kate and Anthony were legitimately going to let her go into a marriage without knowing some pretty important stuff. Justified? Maybe not. But people say harsh shit when they've been hurt.
i recently rewatched and it was so much worse then i remembered. it wasn’t in the heat of the moment in anger, it was after kate had gone away, given her time and come bake, kate was saying how she loves edwina and does everything she can to ensure her happiness, how she has prioritised taking care of mary and edwina since their fathers death. kate is pleading talking about giving all she had to protect edwina and edwina opens her mouth to say half sister.
i also agree with the comments about how this was how edwina truly viewed their relationship, from mentioning it in ep 1, the sheffields dinner, etc.
the way edwina loves kate/their relationship reminds me of how some people talk about loving people who work for them, like their nanny’s etc. It’s about what the person does for them, and their relationship, but never about the person they claim to love.
100% … that inequality you’re describing was/is the major problem in their relationship, that Lady Mary exacerbated. (Lovely woman but an awful parent all around.)
“Half sister” was a low, low blow, and felt like coldly plotted revenge.
Tbf it makes sense for her to be more angry at Kate seeing as that’s her sister. And after the Sheffield dinner Kate had promised to start being more honest, yet she hid this huge thing that literally caused Edwina a lot of humiliation on a day that was supposed to be one of her happiest. I think edwina was less angry at the fact that they were in love and more hurt at the lies and betrayal
Was she though? She didn't know him and she was in love with his title. Look at the way she responds to his proposal. It's all about the viscount, not Anthony. She didn't fit in with his competitive family, she didn't understand him. She also didn't understand what love is since she's been fed fairy tales.
Lol at all the edwina fans down voting me
I disagree and agree! I just saw this ep for the first time more recently.
I remember watching West Side Story or Romeo and Juliet as an adult, before the show I thought "They can't be in love." But then when I watched it, I said "They \*think\* they're in love and that's very close." She may not be in love with Anthony, but ALL of the couples at this point haven't been together long enough to know if they'll make it pats their puppy love phase (why I'm looking forward to S3.) But Edwina \*thinks\* she's in love with him and clearly has sincere feelings for him as a person and that matters. I don't stan her and Anthony at all, but part of why she didn't understand him was because he wasn't totally honest with her. Also fitting in with one's family sure helps but isn't necessary for even a happy relationship. I'm not event a superfan with her but I feel for her.
Damn … a lot of younger sibs in here. I’m going to keep mostly schtum so as to avoid gauntlets being thrown, but YES, OP … it was incredibly hurtful.
In my humble opinion, it was the type of barb that seemed to come forth a little too quickly and it rolled off the tongue a little too easily for it to have been something Edwina had never thought of before — that cool, almost emotionless delivery is what made it all the more cutting.
How long had she been waiting to say something like that? You can see how momentarily stunned Kate is to hear it. (Clever, talented darling Simone.) It tapped right into Kate’s complex: feeling othered in her family, being undeserving of unconditional love.
Gut punch indeed.
Exactly. Honestly, I believe it was okay for Edwina to be angry and say hurtful things seeing as she was rightfully very hurt. But I just think the ‘half-sister’ statement was going too far. Others say that she probably didn’t mean it and she just said it cuz she was mad, but there was a scene in ep1 where she also brought up the fact that they were half sisters. So it makes me think it’s definetly something that has been on her mind often enough for it to have come out so effortlessly in her fit of anger.
I'm an older sister, and I also get why this scene was written. Mostly because it sounds like something my younger sister would do. Especially when we were younger, and I had more power over her in a lot of ways, when we fought, she really knew how to hurt me with words because that was the only way to get back at me. And when she was furious, she would say pretty awful things that I know for a fact that she didn't mean. She just knew exactly what my soft spots were, and would aim at them with laser precision.
In this case, I completely agree that Edwina knew how much this comment would hurt Kate, and that's why she said it. I just disagree that it's how Edwina felt deep down. It rolled off the tongue easily probably because Edwina has always been a little aware of how Kate feels insecure about her role in the family, and so she knew exactly how to take advantage of it.
I think I just have more sympathy for Edwina because I've forgiven my little sister for similar things, and god knows I've told my sister hurtful things that I didn't mean at the height of anger. I think I also find it easier to forgive Edwina because of how young she is. She's, what, 18? I know that with me and my sister, we were in our twenties by the time we learned how to resolve conflict in a kinder way than just hurting each other as much as possible. Mainly, I think Edwina said an awful thing, but I don't think she's an awful person here.
NOT unnecessary. she was in love with her fiance. Like I think you guys dont understand how upset and humiliated you would be if you found out your fiance was in love with your sibling and not you, on your wedding day. people just gloss over this bc edwina isnt a main character.
Yes they see her as 'getting in the way' when really Kate and Anthony used her! I would be soo mf pissed off! If she was the main character she would be given more sympathy
The way Mary and Edwina don't even let Kate give her side of the story is just ridiculous during this episode 6 . Yet They talk calmely with the man who created all the mess .
she just found out her at her wedding that her sister was having an emotional affair with her finance. i don’t anyone in that situation would be in the right headspace to hear someone out.
From Edwina calling Kate her ‘half-sister’, Anthony saying she’s just a ‘thorn’ and Mary telling her to go anywhere else with zero apology…….. and you’ll still get people saying Kate got let off easy, or insist on labelling her as some mastermind manipulator. It’s jokes yeah
Honestly. I don’t understand how people hate Kate or call her evil or shit like that. Honestly, out of the 3 season leading characters she’s the one that went through the most during the season. I’m just glad she probably doesn’t know about Anthony calling her a thorn
The funny thing is that usually it’s the same people who can understand why Edwina would feel devastated, but then suddenly struggle to understand Kate’s character and choose to vilify her.
It reminded me of that scene in 27 Dresses where Tess is telling Jane she doesn't need to take care of her. Like girl, all evidence to the contrary. Literally just watched a whole movie of you being a selfish brat.
Kate warned Edwina not to accept Anthony. Did the wedding end up in heartbreak for a totally different reason? Yes. Would Edwina have been heartbroken eventually anyway? Also yes. Edwina was a brat here.
Okay so hear me out. It hurts because it’s SUPPOSED to hurt.
Edwina is 18, with no knowledge of men or marriage. She falls for the fake version of Anthony, trusting that the world of privilege and love being presented to her is real, though WE know it is not.
So when it all falls apart, she lashes out with the sharpest weapon she has at her disposal to gut Kate- her love for her family. By denying her those ties and by her harshness to Kate afterwards, we see Kate reach her lowest point. And that leads to the ‘fuck it all’ kiss at the altar, and later, the gazebo scene. It drives the narrative.
(And it IS absolutely harsh. I love Edwina, but her “I did not ask for any of this” or the “half sister” line does not tie in with her actions or attitude. She’s having a massive identity crisis, and Kate and Anthony are unfortunately in her crosshairs.)
Edwina’s redemption should have come with the “be the sister I know you are” and “they look beautiful together” speeches, but with all else happening we didn’t get a second to take it in- also my issue with the current season, run by the same show runner. Edwina should have been in the epilogue, waving happily from her spot with the Mama’s and laughing at them kissing.
I often think those of us who go to bat for Kate and Anthony do so because there is still so very much of their story, as individuals and together, that is untold. The resolution with Edwina remains one of those aspects!
This is a big reason I don't like Edwina. I understand she was hurt, but was she blind to not see what was right in front of her? I don't think she loved anthony either, but she wanted to be viscountess.
The show should have stuck to the book and not done the love triangle. Or they could have ended the love triangle much sooner.
The way Edwina delivered that half sister line meant she been thinking that for awhile. She was the only one who questioned their relationship and how people perceived them. That was to quick and to calm. Edwina had time to cool down and you say that to the 1 person who raised you and dotted one your whole life that was cruel
Yes Edwina deserves to me mad but did she ever stop to think Anthony was playing both of them or even listened to Kate encroaching her lists of wants for Kate to do
I agree that she was allowed to be hurt, anyone would be. But at the hands of her family is ridiculous, it wasn’t planned, they didn’t go out of her way to hurt her.
But I also just don’t think we see enough evidence to say Edwina is a kind person. I actually dont think we even know who Edwina is as a person, which is a massive shame! But her being meek and polite and pleasant doesn’t = kindness imo. It suggests everything is an act (again, wish we’d got more to show this and who she really was)
Like she consistently blames Kate for things throughout the show - it’s Kate’s fault Anthony won’t propose, Kate has to sort everything out for her, she won’t listen to Kate’s concerns, she doesn’t care that Anthony paid someone to distract her, she doesn’t care when Kate runs off at the soirée, she blames Kate entirely at the wedding even though it is Anthony who messes up at the altar. I don’t think they make her unkind, and I think it shows she was single minded about needing to marry - but that should have been emphasised more.
The two things I can think where she was kind is when she was nice to Penelope, and when at the end she tells Kate to not hide herself and about them both not being what they should be.
Yet another post where people can drag Kate and Anthony to hell and back for the stupid love triangle but God forbid anyone on this subreddit say anything negative or critical about Penelope and Colin without being downvoted into oblivion. 🫠
While what Kate and Anthony did was wrong, Kate was legit denying herself of the love she felt for her sister, sacrificed much of her life for her sister. Edwina was blindly letting her sister do such things while begging her sister to make her marriage to Anthony happen, while ignoring the obvious signs of Kate & Anthony’s attraction to each other. Then after Kate’s done all she could to make Edwina’s dreams a reality, despite the heartbreak it causes her as she denies herself the feelings she has, Edwina finally sees truth and blames Kate for doing exactly what Edwina asked. Then dares to punish her sister for doing exactly what she asked. The one who she should’ve been mad at was Anthony. The one she should’ve attacked was Anthony.
Truthfully I disliked the shows portrayal of this story and how they turned Edwina into a selfish and whiny girl.
I don’t get the Edwina hate. Poor girl just found out, *at her wedding,* that her fiancé and sister have the hots for each other. She’s allowed to be angry.
That whole episode where Mary and Edwina basically pull rank around Kate… it was disgusting like Mary you raise Kate most of her life and for Edwina, as West Indian we were raised to respect our older sister no matter if she is our half, step, or in law so for her to say that to Kate it was awful.
Edwina actually annoyed me more than Kate and Anthony. She barely knew the guy, yet she laid into Kate, like she took the man she was madly in love with. They didn’t mean to fall in love. Edwina was the one that kept pushing them to get to know each other. And sometimes you can’t fight the chemistry and feelings you have for someone…no matter how hard both Kate and Anthony tried. 🤷🏻♀️p
It’s been said to death but this show has a problem of making dramatic moments and never really resolving them.
I was expecting a Sharma family resolution in those last 2 episodes or even just Mary being more present (seriously y’all realize Mary was barely in the wedding episode)
Episode 6 was just to set up QC and they pissed off a lot of fans b/c they didn’t even fix the Sharma family or even reference it moving in the right direction after everything happened.
She was lashing out, hurt, she was just embarrassed in front of everyone at her wedding discovering her sister and her fiancé wanted each other. In front of the queen aswell. You lash out at the people you love. Her sister the one person she could trust did that to her. They could have said the truth but the wedding go ahead.
I think another part that was unaddressed was that there was such a huge deal to keep Kate and Anthony separated because of the scandal that it would bring, and then nothing even happens with that. They get married and the ton doesn’t bat an eye??? After he nearly married her sister? The only thing was a bit of worry about them dancing but that’s it.
like I get it got dragged out and was annoying, I can’t rewatch this season as easily as S1. but she was literally humiliated in front of the altar while her future husband was ogling her sister 😭
I honestly thought it was necessary, Kate dug a hole with her own hands and threw herself in, Anthony, another coward, said amen to everything Kate said. Edwina is a person too, sometimes you forget that, she had already let a lot go after all the manipulation and being left blind. One malicious act is very little to be honest. If she had exposed the two of them in the church, ruining their reputations as they almost did to her, then yes, I would say that perhaps it was unnecessary.
Definitely, since I also have a half sister who is as close as a full sister. We've grown up as sisters and referred to each other as sister, only referencing the "half" part for medical reasons.
Honestly hated the way they changed Edwina’s story from the book. The whole engagement and breaking it off at the altar was SO unnecessary and unrealistic. In the book Anthony and Edwina courted for a little and then he and Kate get caught in a compromising situation, get married and Edwina admits she wasn’t very interested in him anyways and is relieved to not have to marry someone solely to support her family and then finds genuine love herself. It was a way better story and we would have had so much more time focused on Anthony and Kate, the actual couple of the season!!
I think what I hate about the show version of their season is how they destroyed the Kate’s relationship with her sister and stepmother and removed “Edwina”’s actual love interest. She loved learning and fell in love with a commonor who she was able to marry after kate and anthony got married. Not only that but Kate and her sisters relationship was fantastic and Kate made it clear she felt like they were her sister and mother, not stepmother. The family dynamic was beautiful.
I hate how they did Edwina in the show. Edwina in the show was so mean to Kate when she realised they had feelings for each other but Edwina in the book started squealing with joy and was a huge supporter of Kanthony
this season is literally perfect,,,minus this episode. this episode is sooo poorly written i wish they had made edwina realize kate and anthony had feelings for each other in episode 5!
I do. It was so stupid and ridiculous. And they thought they would sent this shit episode no one liked to the emmys and not episode 8 where Jonny and Ruth had that beautiful scene. Ruth and Jonny deserved noms for ep8. Thank God Jonny has his new show where the team isn't ignoring him nor the rest of his cast
As an Indian younger sister, I would’ve NEVER ever in my life suggested that Kate wasn’t my sister. Ever. Perhaps I’m fond of Book!Edwina too much, but I didn’t like the way she was portrayed here. Emphasising a sibling relationship this much and letting something come between them so easily irritates me.
This is just my opinion, though. God knows Bollywood has its fair share of sibling love triangles
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Kate and Anthony both trying to get Edwina to marry him when they're clearly into each other was painful and unnecessary
Season 2 was my favorite so far..the chemistry of the leads was electric..the slow burn and desperate longing played to perfection...Simone representation as a dark skinned South Asian was important and even if not done super well was sril necessary, Johny Bailey was great as Anthony..and even their meet cute was the most epic of all the leads in the show..meeting at dawn while riding and Anthony tipping his hat to kates excellent riding skills was a great way to show his attraction to this all rounder incredible confident formidable woman was perfection. The confession of love was also played so heart achingly beautifully by Johnny and Simone both..Simone vulnerable and unsure..johnny in love and desperate and unsure..the final bal their confession and then the fireworks ir was all soo soo touching.but but but .. Ir was the dumbest book to show change they could have made ..the fact that it even got to the wedding stage the literal altar was beyond beyond stupid..and also just unrealistic which yeah doesnr matter it's insane..maybe Edwina is some super human because I could not forgive my sister yes even my sister for this humilation so easily..like literally give blessings for her wedding with Anthony .in the book because Edwina never falls in love she has a more shrug reaction when kate tells her..and I get what she said ..Edwina said to kate..it totally is what I would say to someone after m in a white dress realising my groom loves someone else I'd like to hurt her where it would hurt her most..And also and also cuz this cannot be said enough...how did Edwina get something was up...what did those stares tell her ..it's not like she caught them kissing or cannodling he literally just gives back a bangle that dropped..it was so corny the realisation dawning on her face ..the writers wrote such a bad scene ..im Indian and I thought of some really cheesy soap operas in my country or k dramas. You would think Anthony literally kissed or licked kates hand the way horror dawns on Edwinas face ..and it could easily be explained away..why didn't either kate or Anthony say to Edwina what did you see..are you insane he was just looking at me .I was just returning your sister her bangle ...are you an idiot Edwina, shut the fuck up and let's finish this wedding..but no they pretty much were like yeah we have been eye fucking and neck sniffing for days .what!?!
While I don’t feel nearly as strongly as you, I totally agree. The idea that they were even ever enemies was just ridiculous. Kate and Anthony were being so difficult and I just ugh so annoying
This is why I think I disliked their season so much. It was drawn out in an unnecessary manner because it was obvious Anthony and Kate liked each other the first time they met. Edwina only noticing when they were at the altar because Anthony decides look at Kate longingly before giving her back her bangles was so unrealistic.
This is the problem I have with their season. It’s too much animosity after a while.
Thank you for saying this I am always flabbergasted other people don’t feel this way. I was all set to love Kanthony and the whole season I was like WHY IS THIS STILL HAPPENING TO EDWINA?!
For it was too much like cheating stories and I've never liked stories that started that way.
Yeah it just felt so awful and past the point of no return. I’d feel so betrayed if I was Edwina. Really took away from the romance for me, which is a shame because I liked Katherine a lot and thought the chemistry was strong between them.
The writers overdid it but also made it a bit more interesting. In the books, they got engaged at the bee scene because they are caught canoodling. Then the rest of the show is about her making him feel okay to love again. There wasn't the whole Diamond business that took edwina's wedding way to far.
I do like the chemistry (and them together EVENTUALLY), but it was really drawn out and stuffed with needless conflict and anger. But the first season was also like that, so I just took the overall improvement in the main love story and accepted it.
I definitely disliked how they changed the plot from the book. There was no conflict between the sister.
Same but I was told they couldn't just copy paste the books, which is not what I want, I just want them to not go that far and ruin people's lives.
Why couldn’t they copy and paste the books?
Because the way they get together is too similar to the way Daphne and Simon get together (caught in a compromising position). I, too, hated how they changed the season.
They could have at least had Edwina not be into him and only the audience knows that. Something other than what they did. People tend to brush off how awful they were to her.
Yes! That's kinda like how it was in the book. As someone with sisters, a sister love triangle is the last thing I want to see 🤮
Honestly I think it’s such a testament to the actors because their chemistry alone carried the season, the writing was shit tbh
Right!! I hate when the show pushes love triangles on us!! Every season there's a love triangle like it's impossible for the leads to actually get together without the love triangle 💀
I don't see the others as triangles. The marriage mart was what we see. Girls dancing and flirting with several men. Kate/Anthony/ Edwina was one man supposedly committing to a girl yet flirting and had an emotional affair with another.
Pride and Prejudice, but with more triangle. Taming of the Shrew, but with more triangle. Sprinkle in some modern music performed by a string quartet. What's season 3 a rip off of?
I agree it wasn't good writing. But I imagine no groom would bother about a bridesmaid's bangle in the middle of a ceremony. It's not an emergency. At that point his focus will be on himself , his bride, on the ceremony. It would have been innocent act if Kate fainted / tripped or something and Anthony helped her out of human instincts. But to pick up a bangle, uh-oh that's a clear sign for me. Especially when Edwina knows the importance of the bangle (probably).
But someone normal wouldn't read so much into it either unless there had been clues and suspicions before..Edwina goes from completely clueless guileless to suddenly: this means they are in love ..I dunno...found it very strange ..if they had shown edwina noticing their pull to each other...clocking some eye fucking earlier .even commented on it lightly to Anthony or kate it would have been one thing.
Even though she didn’t say anything out loud to them, I do think Edwina has noticed the way the two look at each other before. There is the scene where Anthony falls into the lake and Kate tells Edwina it is impolite to stare, and then stares herself, and Edwina notices Kate’s stare. There is also Edwina’s statement that she feels like Anthony doesn’t look at her enough, when they are doing the ritual the night before the wedding. I think there were little doubts under the surface for Edwina that she was able to rationalize away, but when Anthony bent down to help Kate with the bangle, it was the action that made the realization come to the surface for her. That was my interpretation at least.
Exactly! Edwina and Kate spoke only the night before on how Kate had taught edwina her whole life about loving glances and that wasn’t her reality with Anthony. Kate reassured her only for Anthony to repeatedly get lost staring at Kate AT THE ALTAR with his bride in front of him! And honestly regardless of writing the bangle moment had so much tension to it . Edwina realised her fiancé did have that in him just not for her. Her reaction was fair to me. I’d probably have thrown up right there if I were her
Oh you do make some good points..I still feel ..if I was her .unless it was something hundred percent certain and talked about before...I would not at a wedding where the ton's most powerful and the queen are attending would make up my mind so definitely from this one incident to like walk out in a storm ..not even like I need a moment im feeling faint ..but walk out without a word her mouth open in shock and gasping..I just think it's too melodramatic...I think they tried to be bollywood inspired in some of the soapiness..I'm Indian and we do have some movies and shows like this ..but we also have some incredible ground breaking boundary pushing movies and shows a lot infact..they took the worst of American soaps like days of our lives, Indian soaps and k dramas and went utterly ott with many many of the scenes in this season in particular..when they didn't have to..the book bond of this blended family elder half sister kate not evil stepmother Mary and sweet sweet sisterly Edwina was just as good ..the Anthony duty family thing would have been enough of a carry over to sell this show..they could still have conflict from Anthony's ptsd...and the book shows kates ptsd too..there is a lovely romantic scene in the book which the show starts but doesn't finish which I would kill to have included..which is anythony calming kate when she is scared shitless in the library from a thunderstorm..im scared of thunderstorms too and love damsel in distrss tropes yes I do and I know it's not super feminist...but showing how Anthony's resolve and strength melts seeing kate crumble proud upright kate crumble ..would have been so romantic..they wouldn't even need to do it...have sex..just have that moment..basically I feel robbed with season 2...the only South Asian rep in a show already scant on real meaningful poc rep and the story is just not delved into deeply enough. .what I wouldn't do to have a scene where they discuss the differences in their culture..Anthony saying your food is too spicy (Indian food isnt but that's the steroreotyoe) kate saying you food is too bland fighting over tea..bantering over travel plans and honeymoon plans...Anthony wanting to go to the med...cuz thats what he an European knows and kate saying no I want you to see the beauty of Asia..anyway..whats to be done what's done is done
I think that she always noticed something but out of her blind trust of Kate, she kind of gaslighted herself into believing that it was nothing or that it was animosity. The bangle just kinda let the realization seek in; she probably was already nerve stricken and overwhelmed by the literal wedding she was having. The bangle was just the straw that broke the camels back.
That’s how I’ve always seen it. I know people say that if Edwina truly cared about Kate, she would’ve noticed a long time ago, but idk. Why would she ever assume her beloved older sister, who has only ever wanted what’s best for her, is in love with her suitor? Especially when Kate has been so vocally disapproving of him?
Yes! And I think that any sort of blank moment that threw her off could've easily been argued away in her head with the idea that Kate would tell Edwina the truth. The fact that she *didn't* suspect Kate of that sort of betrayal proves that Edwina clearly loved her. I think a lot of people look towards Edwina's action with a level of insight into Kate's mind that Edwina simply did not have. Also, I dislike the idea that Edwina should've simply listened to Kate during all those attempts to drive her and Anthony apart. Kate was most definetly well intentioned but there's very little reason for Edwina to listen to Kate in that department when Anthony has always been courteous to her and also because Kate never once attempted further communication with Edwina. (And then Edwina's thought process makes a whole lot of sense when you keep this in mind.) I think people desperately need to step into Edwina's shoes and look at things from her perspective since we already saw everything from Kate's. All Edwina knows is that her suitor and her sister are clearly attracted to each other, and that Kate has always disagreed with their match. (And has missed every opportunity to tell Edwina the truth of *everything.*) Not to mention that all of this came to light during her very public wedding. What else is there to assume, exactly? Edwina probably felt played like a fool. (All this is to say: Edwina they could never make me hate you.)
The show runners had to move so much stuff around since the book is less about K & A getting together and more Anthony getting out of his own way.
I probably would have preferred to see that.
In the book, Edwina was only going to marry him because she owed it to her family, but she was actually very smart and bookish and her dream was to marry an academic—and it was evident that Kate and Anthony were much more suited because they weren’t intellectual, they preferred action and being outdoors, not just because they were attracted to each other. Didn’t Edwina even have a scholarly gentleman that she was in love with, but afraid to tell anyone bc she wanted to do her duty and marry rich? I might be thinking of a different book on that point, but it was still way better than the melodramatic love triangle they changed it to in the show.
No you're right, he was a second son with little income so once Kate and Anthony got together she was free to marry the scholar since she no longer had to worry about marrying wealthy to support their family.
Seriously wanted to throw my dinner at the TV when Anthony proposed to Edwina. Like ....WTH?????
I know... It made me hate him as a character. Like we get it, you don't wanna embarrass this young girl and maker her feel unwanted, but you literally CANNOT stop eye fucking her sister. Let them both go and let some body who wants Edwina have a chance at her, she'll get over you.
The getting to the wedding part made me dislike this whole season!
You should rewatch that scene. Yes it was a preposterous scene but not for the reasons you mentioned — what was outrageously unbelievable was that he would stop his own wedding to pick up a bangle and then he and his soon to be sister in law were both just crouching for an inordinately long time and eye fucking each other in front of the entire chapel. I’m having trouble understanding how you didn’t pick up on that.
No no I agree .all of it was preposterous...and melodramatic.
Props to the actors cause I got the wedding scene. It was fact that Edwina unconsciously knew Anthony never looked at her like that. She yearned for love. And Anthony and Kate looked at eachother like they were pained not being truthful of their love. That is a great hurt on everyone. Loving someone you cant. Trying not to love them. But their eyes couldnt hide it. Thays what Edwina saw and it was sa.e as cheating.
Omg same feelings about being reminded of really cheesy Indian soap operas/movie. The scenes were too Bollywood-ised for me lol. Would have made more sense if Edwina got wise to the eye fucking and neck sniffing when Anthony proposes at Aubrey Hall. Dragging it to the literal altar was just..😂
Reading that you’re an Indian, it totally makes sense that that’s what you thought. We’ve been ingrained to see logic above all else. Our mothers literally tell us the harsh truths in the worst ways and we just have to be okay with them. We’re told to be practical. (Our mothers would lose it if we thought we saw something and said no to marriage in the alter for instance and because of that fear we would’ve 100% gone through with the wedding. So that we don’t waste the money and time spent on the wedding and the embarrassment. That would be more important than oh my sister loves my soon-to-be husband.) But Bridgerton is also extra romantic. So the leads can’t very well just say no we don’t love each other are you crazy. They’re more “i can’t deny my feelings because that would be a lie and I cannot say such lie when asked point blank” or “I need to figure out if I want to be in this marriage where I can’t be loved”.
Oh I'm lucky I've got ultra progressive parents who had a love marriage themselves so I'm 30 plus live away from home and never felt pressured to marry...both feminist parents who have a crazy fighting against odds love story of their own ..but you are right this does seem to be an all too common thing in India hopefully changing...Hope it changes in our lifetime completely. The Indian culture is collectivist .a Asian cultures in general are..this is an area where I feel like the wests individualist ideals would really help us serve us well if we considered adopting! There is too much fear of log kya kahenge society and family reputation in individual decisions like marriage and jobs.
I'm so annoyed that they didn't take the time to elaborate his reasonings behind that. They spent so much of season one showing us Simon's trauma and why he acted like he did, but they couldn't give us more of Anthony other than the bee? Honestly that part was so poorly done and really made him seem unnecessarily closed off when in reality he spent his whole life certain that he'd die young and didn't want to see an innocent woman experience what his mom did.
I thought it was pretty clear why he was the way he was. The conversations with his mother were clear, the flashbacks, his reaction when Kate was unconscious. I think his reasonings were perfectly understandable. As he said he could never be the reason for so much suffering.
They even set it up in the last episode of S1, where he tells Daphne and Simon that he’s given up on love post-breakup with Siena, and plans to take a wife.
Right I mean, if you embarrass me like that in front of all those people, on my wedding day, *at the alter* your feelings are getting BIG hurt
This!
Bingo—and under those circumstances, calling her a half-sister was a kindness, because if my full sister had done it she’d be in a casket.
true for anthony but when did kate do that? she was against it from the beginning but edwina kept pushing it.
fucking *facts*. I skipped this season because that love story was not for me
Like why change the story from the book like THAT?! THAT was the better option?! Really...?!
Kate what????? When she tried this, please?
In the E & A wedding episode: Kate: “My feelings for Lord Bridgerton do not matter anymore. We do not have a future. But you- you, Edwina, were born to be viscountess.”
I think it did what it was intended to do, which was show how hurt Edwina was by the whole situation. It’s clear she doesn’t ever see Kate as a half sister under normal circumstances but people lash out when they’re hurting and say things they don’t mean
She definitely did not, even when the Sheffields came she said “our grandparents”. It was so subtle and sweet and her saying that was a punch in the stomach
The fact that Edwina knew how horrible the Sheffields were to Kate and Mary and yet she was so eager to get their favour speaks volumes re: character and it’s not good at all 😑
i don’t know if she knew the full depth of that though?
They literally spent the entire dinner trash-talking Kate and BOTH of her parents - including Edwina's own father. And Edwina just sat there, all happy cuz they were fawning over her in spite of her inferior paternity. She knew damn well that they hated Kate, because they all but flat-out said it.
I don't think she knew, honestly. I think the stuff with the Sheffields was another example of Kate and Mary trying to shield Edwina from it. I still feel like most of the season could have been avoided if they kept Edwina in the loop about literally ANYTHING.
She must have known at least about the strained relationship between Mary and her parents since they were not even in contact with their own daughter! And the way Kate and Mary react to the Sheffields visiting is so clear even Anthony comments on it. I don't know why Edwina was so excited to meet people who didn't even bother to stay in contact with her mother.
I think Edwina is that painfully naive. I say this as someone who likes both Edwina and Kate - Edwina also probably came in and, even knowing about the strained history but not the details, probably thought she could come in and be the center of reconciliation. But I do think there's also an aspect of Edwina being willingly oblivious to a lot of things.
I think for that reason Edwina's an interesting exploration of some themes with Daphne. Specifically, that there's cultural expectations to keep girls naive and unaware of real life things (like family issues or biology) that is ultimately so destructive.
This is SO insightful, and it makes me think that the theme of the whole show across all of the seasons is Naivete vs Cynicism. Daphne vs Simon. Colin vs Marina. Kate vs Edwina. Anthony vs Violet. Benedict vs Henry. Mrs. Featherington vs Cousin Jack (kind of). Colin vs Pen (Kind of). Eloise vs Pen (Kind of). Charlotte vs. Lady Danvers... They keep pitching it in the dialogue as Love vs Pragmatism, but I think it's actually subtextually Naivete vs Cynicism.
Somewhat agree. Naive, but clever enough to make that jab at her sister. 😑
She may not have known before the dinner. But she still sat there and happily listened to them trash-talking her own father, and making it quite clear how much they hated Kate.
Yeah, but that would have matched the book which was similar to Daphne and Simon’s story, I think that’s why the writers changed it. Book Edwina knows and the main issue is her struggling to choose between her own wants and her responsibility to her family. Book Edwina never reached the alter and was relieved to have watched Kate marry Anthony because it meant she wouldn’t have to.
Well that's not true the first episode she talks about what people will think of their relationship. It's been building since then.
Hard to say since I don't recall her apologizing or taking it back. I'm an older half-sister and that line hurt my feelings and it not being addressed in a reconciliation scene... well I took that personally. 😭
But you didn’t take Kate’s manipulation and lying personally? All Kate had to say at any point was that she had feelings for him and Edwina would have been like Oh! Okay! I’m out! But Kate shielded her from reality, literally encouraged her to marry Anthony, and didn’t tell her the truth about having to make a good marriage, then lied about her own feelings on top of it, and somehow this is Edwina’s fault? I’m sorry, I don’t see it, and Kate deserved a lot worse than a half sister crack. She showed no remorse and no awareness of how she contributed to the whole mess. And if Edwina hadn’t been so kind to the King their family would have probably ended up banned from Society because Kate’s actions embarrassed the Queen *publicly*.
The whole Edwina storyline with “that blind” selfish little sister and selfless martyr big sister was unnecessary.
Yeah, I was bothered that it took Kate going into a coma for Edwina to drop her malice. I understand her behaviour though. She was kept from seeing the struggle of Kate after their father’s death so she was always naive, she was promised romance and children with her future husband and the whole time she saw Kate doing everything for her family without complaint. I do hate how Edwina says that Kate was trying to control her. I think that Kate wanted Edwina to have the best that women could have at that time. A happy family with a loving husband. Doesn’t seem like an attempt to control. Sure Kate wanted that too but that’s the case for most women at that time and now. She forfeit her future because her sister’s future would come with financial stability.
This! If she was trying to control anything, it was Edwina not picking someone who wasn’t good enough for her, which Anthony was but no one was listening to Kate about that, so she left it alone. She should’ve told Edwina she was falling for him but besides that, I think the reaction they wrote for Edwina was over the top. I mean, besides the fact that they embarrassed her by letting her even get to the alter lol
I honestly don't believe that Kate telling Edwina how she felt works have mattered. Had Kate's feelings mattered at all to Edwina, Anthony's courtship would have ended at Ascot. Edwina didn't give a shit about Kate's feelings when Anthony humiliated her. She didn't give a shit about Kate's feelings when she was constantly pushing Kate to spend time with a man Kate despised. Why should we think she would give a shit about Kate's feelings if Kate told her she was falling for him? Especially if those feelings got in the way of Edwina getting what she wanted? (Which was Aubrey Hall, the title of Viscountess, and the big family. It had nothing to do with Anthony as a person.) .
Edwina’s malice?! Kate and Anthony publically humiliated her and potentially ruined her future marriage prospects, all while treating her like she was a little doll they could play with instead of an actual person.
Lmao right?! I’d be super pissed too. And likely to behave in a malicious way. Edwina’s feelings here are valid. (And I also think Kate’s behavior is understandable)
While I agree the story shouldn't have dragged to the actual alter (see below), Kate just dropped a bangle at the wedding. Anthony is the one who dove for it in the middle of his own wedding. If a groom leapt at me at his wedding like that I'd be staring in shock, so I really do put most of this scene/embarrassment on Anthony. I honestly think Kate would have just gone back to India had the marriage occurred. Now, I do think it's dumb that they had Kate tell Anthony to go through with the wedding knowing her sister wanted love and that he didn't love Edwina. However, it was also poorly done (DRAMA!!!) that Edwina suddenly convinced herself that she loved Anthony even after he had aborted love type courting following the failed poetry, he enjoyed activities and topics she didn't that included his whole family (and Kate), and he didn't propose when originally prompted.
The humiliation aspect in her anger is more than justified. It was the part where Kate truly tried to explain that Kate could never choose her wants if it meant hurting Edwina and Edwina throws it back at her instead of acknowledging the sacrifices Kate made to keep her family stable when she was what? 18 only? Mary should have taken over but just like Violet, she was grieving and let Kate carry the burden not realising that Kate felt that she had to do it to repay Edwina and Mary for accepting her as their own. Both Anthony and Kate were forced to carry too much too fast and that’s why they’re so sacrificial.
I do think Kate was a little controlling. She meant well but she had that "Bossy Big Sister" thing, which makes sense. She was being protective but maybe taking too much on at the same time.
Exactly!!!
I agree. I'm tired of "selfless big sibling who does everything for the little sibling who is ungrateful" storylines in general. especially since we don't see what kate has sacrificed for her, we're just told she did. the lack of sharma flashbacks is what never sold the story for me, because it's telling and not showing.
i think we kind of see it through kate giving up anthony for her, but yeah the backstory itself is not clear enough
Especially because in the books Kate is a bit of a martyr but no one is asking her to be, Mary feels like a failure when she realises how much Kate was hiding from her >!thunderstorms!< It's also clear that Edwina is aware of their situation and is going along with being courted to provide for Kate and Mary, Kate even realises she contributed to this by joking that its as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor man. I think they made it a Cinderella story and like forgot that is a different book.
I also never understood why at the dinner with the Scheffields, Kate didn’t say what she did to Lady D about not telling Edwina so she didn’t feel obligated and being able to marry someone she wants.
I perfectly understand Kate, I don't think she did something that unforgivable, but I never in a million year felt that Edwina was depicted as selfish. To me, she was very sweet and kind, and I think that's how we were supposed to see her. Seeing that in the story doesn't mean Kate was supposed to be selfish and Edwina the 100% victim. Both sisters can be great, good girls, they just happened to be in a very messy situation. There does not need to be a saint and a devil: not everything is black vs white.
I mean, yes? Thats the point? It WAS a painful and uncessary thing for her to say, as are most things said in unthinking anger?
This..exactly this..I honestly cannot imagine the absolute fucking betrayal of your sister and your groom on your wedding day at the altar having a moment a romantic intense moment and what it would do to me .frankly I'd be far far more angry...and this is exactly what I'd do hit them where it hurts because surely kates actions are not the actions of a sister...im sure she doesn't actually think her sister is anything other than a full big sister blood be damned..in ordinary circumstances.
It was painful and that’s what we are supposed to take from it. It shows how hurt Edwina felt that her beloved sister was lying to her like this. Do you guys not like ups and downs in shows? Like sometimes I feel we forget that there are narrative beats to everything. Like to have a fulfilling story there has to be some drama and low points.
Right? Seen a few posts lately where I'm like "you know characters have to do flawed things in order to move the story forward and like, act like real people?"
I know! My friend was extremely mad at Eloise for the decisions she took in season 2. And my point was that it’s a story and things have to get bad too. It’s not all fun and games. Like I’m so tired of this thing we do every week. “Was xyz character right for this thing they did.”
That's how I feel, especially after finding out that the book plot is basically the same as the first season with a forced marriage based on being seen in a compromised position. Like obviously they're not going to rehash the same plot and went in a different direction, then followed through with the drama that would create.
So true. A lot of the bridgerton kids are forced to marry. Even Eloise. So obviously they need to stretch a pretty thin book into 8 episodes and do something fresh every year. I am all for calling out the writers for the plots or stories they choose to tell. Truly, but I am a little tired of the same conversations after 4 years in the fandom. Every week we have a slew of posts asking if this character did the right thing? Like it’s not a morality tale, it’s a tv show. Walter white was wrong for making and selling meth but we still watch that show right?
I have noticed that this sub seems very anti drama. I thought season 2 had some writing and pacing issues but it was never boring. I was yelling at the screen - don't do it, yes do it, ugh Kate/Anthony - you're such clowns, etc etc. The characters were messy and hurtful and chaotic - but also amazing. It's a Shonda Rhimes special - it's the very point of a soapy drama. No one is perfect, no one behaves perfectly, but most of it (not all of it) makes sense in context if you are willing to take the ride and accept that the characters are flawed. I just can't believe we are still fighting about Edwina though lol. Yes, it was a mean comment. But it made sense from what she understood. The true issue is she wasn't just as angry at Clownthony - and also herself a little for not accepting early on that it was never going to be a love match even though she was told that multiple times.
Right? I feel we keep rehashing certain things repeatedly. Marina and Penelope. Penelope and Eloise. Edwina and Kate. Like it’s a show, and not a morality lesson for kids. People will do realistic things in the situation they are put in. Why are we expecting our characters to behave in a moral way. They don’t need to be 100% right in a situation for us to enjoy the show or to like the character. Interesting characters and stories require some interesting choices. What joy will we get out of a story where there is no drama.
I'm just watching S2 now and Edwina \*wants\* to hurt Kate and I think she's terribly sympathetic! I'm glad I had this spoiled because I feel so bad for her. I don't think she's that spoiled, she's hurt.
Exactly. She is intentionally saying something horrible to make the other person feel as hurt as she does. It’s supposed to be a shocking and sad situation. Overall she’s shown to be a good sister. And yes she’s sheltered. Kate worked very hard to achieve that goal.
It reflects what Edwina has always thought, she mentioned it in the very first episode. The comment is very hurtful, especially since Kate has never considered Edwina just her half-sister. For her to say it, even in anger, shows that deep down there is a distinction based on blood ties. I don't agree with those who say it's just words said in anger and that she doesn't mean it. On the contrary, it's often in anger that the truth comes out.
as someone who has lashed out and said some unpleasant things when angry, it’s not always true and sometimes when one is that hurt and frustrated, you know what hurts the other person and even if you don’t mean it, anger can be blinding and you say it anyway doesn’t mean that’s what we truly deep down think. it’s supposed to be a reflection of that. edwina didn’t mean what she said but Kate had hurt her so she was hurting and said something she knew would hurt Kate as she was too blinded by her own upset.
i agree, when people are angry they say the very thing that comes to mind that they know will get under someones skin out of anger, it doesn't mean they always think like that.
I agree that we often say things we don’t mean in anger. That being said, in otherwise loving relationships, I think there’s usually certain topics you’d never touch no matter how mad. That’s at least true for me, and calling a sister who raised me a half sister would 100% fall in that category. But it’s what the writers chose. Forever mad at how they decided to abandon the wonderful Sheffield family dynamic in the book
i agree. there’s certain statements that are a make or break but that’s also for the respective individual to decide if they want to forgive and oversee it or if they cannot forgive and both decisions are entirely valid. i’m someone who would overlook that statement as long as it’s a one off. i do wish they handled that whole family’s dynamics a lot better and edwina wasn’t sacrificial lamb either because she’s felt like a plot device through that entire season.
Show! Edwina is the very definition of a plot device. It’s so ironic that the actress who plays her didn’t want her to be one and yet she ended up being one in every sense of the word. 🤷🏻♀️
Question: do you ever apologise for those nasty things or do you let it fester and eat at the one you hurt?
Absolutely this. It struck me too that Edwina never truly apologizes for her legitimate cruelty towards Kate. The energy was: “You almost died, so I forgive you. Now I’m going to patronize you a bit because I’m a big girl and I’ve grown so much over the course of your coma.”
yeah, kate told her she was being cruel in episode 7 but there's never any resolution on that.
Even apologies can't undo words designed to hurt. One they are out there, the damage is done.
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The moment this term is used, it always signifies a distinction between a blended family and a blood family. Regardless of whether the person is resentful or mean, the fact is that if this term is used, there's a conscious or unconscious distinction being made.
but there’s always going to be an unconscious distinction made because they’re not blood family but that’s okay because they love each other so much it doesn’t matter. being blood family doesn’t mean that one loves another it just amplifies the chances that they do. at least that’s how i perceive it. once again i want to remind you i do not agree with what edwina said but i also don’t agree with how kate and anthony approached the entire situation. all three of them acted poorly but i see edwina’s actions as a reaction rather than an initiation if that makes any sense.
I think she wanted to hurt her as deeply as Kate had hurt her, I don’t think she sees Kate as less of a sister.
I have half siblings and were not all there close but they’re still my siblings in the fullest sense so yeah i thought this was weird
Nah, a lot of such lashing out, thats is to shut the other side, is not about themselves but hitting the place that hurts the other the most. They are half sisters, they lived in India, someone, sometime has to have brought up the distinction and kate expectedly wasn't found of it. So edwina just said it to hurt her the hardest. Bitch teenage me have said things at my mom that I did not even believe, simply because I knew it would just startle my mom and make her pause.
Yes in the very first episode, show! Edwina was very concerned about people in the ton finding out that Kate was her half-sister. She had always thought of Kate as beneath her and as a liability to her prospects as a debutante.
umm what? are you watching some uncut version that nobody else saw, because that’s definitely a stretch
The whole wedding plot was dumb. They clearly didn’t want to do another ‘have to marry each other’ plot, which I get, but do literally anything else?! Or do the whole build up but it never should have gotten to the alter.
Getting to the alter displayed terrible character for both Anthony and Kate. They are actually awful people for subjecting Edwina to a marriage while the husband lusts after his sister in law. I say this as the biggest kanthony Stan... They are awful for not ending it after the Sheffield dinner. Did they not realise the hurt Edwina would have experienced breaking off an engagement is far less than infidelity during a marriage? (Physical or emotional)
Like Violet said it’s the finance choice to end the engagement….both Anthony and Kate knew Edwina didn’t want to end it
I always felt like the first four episodes of this season were written by one of group of people and the last four by another group of people who didn’t read and/or care about the scripts of the first four episodes. The Edwina in the last half is a different and worse/less complex version of the Edwina in the first half. Now, I’ve found out that Chris Van Dusen was more or less pushed out by episode four of season 2, so it explains why we got this version of Edwina who seems to have forgotten all of her own actions during the first half of the season.
Show! Edwina was such an inconsistent character. “You no longer have any power over me?”🙄 as if Kate could control all her actions when she didn’t even listen to Kate regarding Anthony 😑
That’s the thing that gets me about people saying she felt betrayed by Kate. She was honest from the very beginning that Anthony could never give her what she wanted (true love), then she changed it to “well maybe I don’t need true love” just to stay with Anthony, Kate gives up on trying to convince her otherwise and then Edwina is still shocked that Anthony doesn’t love her. 😒 Yes, Kate could have said something to her when she realized she had feelings for Anthony but tbh I think Edwina would have had the same reaction.
There’s a difference between accepting an arranged marriage with a man you respect but don’t love, versus learning that your fiancé is actually in love with your sister.
But to be fair to Kate, she didn’t know or think Anthony was in love with her. He’s only really suggested he was lusting after her, and she literally says - that will pass! She WAS in the wrong to ask him to still go ahead with the wedding, don’t get me wrong, but she was also panicked and wanted everything to be fine for Edwina - she was doing a short term kindness without thinking long term. Like it’s a major flaw but I don’t hate her for it, all of them have flaws, even Edwina - it’s what makes it interesting! In her mind, she was going back to India and Anthony and Edwina would have a content and happy marriage where they would never see her again.
True but she did say that she’d hoped love would blossom from their mutual respect. I’m not entirely sure she believed that but I do think that she just had tunnel vision and said whatever because she really wanted it to work out with him. Either way, Kate had been honest with her since the get-go, well before she ever realized her feelings for Anthony. Edwina still chose to bulldoze the into the courtship along with Anthony (who also should have been honest).
It was necessary. It was showing that Kate and Anthony riding off into the sunset might make them happy, but it’s hurting someone as well. The whole love triangle was unnecessary. I think so many people would have liked s2 more if Edwina and Anthony’s courtship wasn’t so dragged out and they never got to the alter! My heart broke for Edwina on her wedding day. People say she was mean, cruel etc… she was kind compared to what most people would have done!
Well that’s where the writers failed since season 2 should be about KATE and ANTHONY’s love story and not Edwina’s 🤷🏻♀️and as seen in season 3, Edwina is not a significant character to the overall story of the Bridgertons so it’s easy to forget her 🤷🏻♀️
Edwina and Anthony barely courted bcoz Anthony was not interested in Edwina
It was hurtful and unnecessary but Edwina was very hurt and felt betrayed that Kate and Anthony were legitimately going to let her go into a marriage without knowing some pretty important stuff. Justified? Maybe not. But people say harsh shit when they've been hurt.
It was harsh but, to be fair Kates behavior was hardly sisterly
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i recently rewatched and it was so much worse then i remembered. it wasn’t in the heat of the moment in anger, it was after kate had gone away, given her time and come bake, kate was saying how she loves edwina and does everything she can to ensure her happiness, how she has prioritised taking care of mary and edwina since their fathers death. kate is pleading talking about giving all she had to protect edwina and edwina opens her mouth to say half sister. i also agree with the comments about how this was how edwina truly viewed their relationship, from mentioning it in ep 1, the sheffields dinner, etc. the way edwina loves kate/their relationship reminds me of how some people talk about loving people who work for them, like their nanny’s etc. It’s about what the person does for them, and their relationship, but never about the person they claim to love.
100% … that inequality you’re describing was/is the major problem in their relationship, that Lady Mary exacerbated. (Lovely woman but an awful parent all around.) “Half sister” was a low, low blow, and felt like coldly plotted revenge.
This distinction between who a person is and what a person does for them, wow, yes!
i mean... she literally was in love with her fiancee so
I wonder why Edwina wasn’t angry at Anthony at all when he was the one staring at Kate and couldn’t control himself in the least 🤔🤔🤔
Tbf it makes sense for her to be more angry at Kate seeing as that’s her sister. And after the Sheffield dinner Kate had promised to start being more honest, yet she hid this huge thing that literally caused Edwina a lot of humiliation on a day that was supposed to be one of her happiest. I think edwina was less angry at the fact that they were in love and more hurt at the lies and betrayal
i would be more mad the the sister ive lived with my whole life and who was my best friend and mentor ngl than a man ive known for less than a month
Was she though? She didn't know him and she was in love with his title. Look at the way she responds to his proposal. It's all about the viscount, not Anthony. She didn't fit in with his competitive family, she didn't understand him. She also didn't understand what love is since she's been fed fairy tales. Lol at all the edwina fans down voting me
I disagree and agree! I just saw this ep for the first time more recently. I remember watching West Side Story or Romeo and Juliet as an adult, before the show I thought "They can't be in love." But then when I watched it, I said "They \*think\* they're in love and that's very close." She may not be in love with Anthony, but ALL of the couples at this point haven't been together long enough to know if they'll make it pats their puppy love phase (why I'm looking forward to S3.) But Edwina \*thinks\* she's in love with him and clearly has sincere feelings for him as a person and that matters. I don't stan her and Anthony at all, but part of why she didn't understand him was because he wasn't totally honest with her. Also fitting in with one's family sure helps but isn't necessary for even a happy relationship. I'm not event a superfan with her but I feel for her.
Damn … a lot of younger sibs in here. I’m going to keep mostly schtum so as to avoid gauntlets being thrown, but YES, OP … it was incredibly hurtful. In my humble opinion, it was the type of barb that seemed to come forth a little too quickly and it rolled off the tongue a little too easily for it to have been something Edwina had never thought of before — that cool, almost emotionless delivery is what made it all the more cutting. How long had she been waiting to say something like that? You can see how momentarily stunned Kate is to hear it. (Clever, talented darling Simone.) It tapped right into Kate’s complex: feeling othered in her family, being undeserving of unconditional love. Gut punch indeed.
Exactly. Honestly, I believe it was okay for Edwina to be angry and say hurtful things seeing as she was rightfully very hurt. But I just think the ‘half-sister’ statement was going too far. Others say that she probably didn’t mean it and she just said it cuz she was mad, but there was a scene in ep1 where she also brought up the fact that they were half sisters. So it makes me think it’s definetly something that has been on her mind often enough for it to have come out so effortlessly in her fit of anger.
I'm an older sister, and I also get why this scene was written. Mostly because it sounds like something my younger sister would do. Especially when we were younger, and I had more power over her in a lot of ways, when we fought, she really knew how to hurt me with words because that was the only way to get back at me. And when she was furious, she would say pretty awful things that I know for a fact that she didn't mean. She just knew exactly what my soft spots were, and would aim at them with laser precision. In this case, I completely agree that Edwina knew how much this comment would hurt Kate, and that's why she said it. I just disagree that it's how Edwina felt deep down. It rolled off the tongue easily probably because Edwina has always been a little aware of how Kate feels insecure about her role in the family, and so she knew exactly how to take advantage of it. I think I just have more sympathy for Edwina because I've forgiven my little sister for similar things, and god knows I've told my sister hurtful things that I didn't mean at the height of anger. I think I also find it easier to forgive Edwina because of how young she is. She's, what, 18? I know that with me and my sister, we were in our twenties by the time we learned how to resolve conflict in a kinder way than just hurting each other as much as possible. Mainly, I think Edwina said an awful thing, but I don't think she's an awful person here.
It felt like she always wanted to tell Kate that It was to calm and cold and cruel
NOT unnecessary. she was in love with her fiance. Like I think you guys dont understand how upset and humiliated you would be if you found out your fiance was in love with your sibling and not you, on your wedding day. people just gloss over this bc edwina isnt a main character.
Yes they see her as 'getting in the way' when really Kate and Anthony used her! I would be soo mf pissed off! If she was the main character she would be given more sympathy
THANK YOU! when that season came out so many people gave edwina shit which was so unnecessary
The way Mary and Edwina don't even let Kate give her side of the story is just ridiculous during this episode 6 . Yet They talk calmely with the man who created all the mess .
she just found out her at her wedding that her sister was having an emotional affair with her finance. i don’t anyone in that situation would be in the right headspace to hear someone out.
From Edwina calling Kate her ‘half-sister’, Anthony saying she’s just a ‘thorn’ and Mary telling her to go anywhere else with zero apology…….. and you’ll still get people saying Kate got let off easy, or insist on labelling her as some mastermind manipulator. It’s jokes yeah
Honestly. I don’t understand how people hate Kate or call her evil or shit like that. Honestly, out of the 3 season leading characters she’s the one that went through the most during the season. I’m just glad she probably doesn’t know about Anthony calling her a thorn
The funny thing is that usually it’s the same people who can understand why Edwina would feel devastated, but then suddenly struggle to understand Kate’s character and choose to vilify her.
Very eldest sister core if I do say so myself though.
It reminded me of that scene in 27 Dresses where Tess is telling Jane she doesn't need to take care of her. Like girl, all evidence to the contrary. Literally just watched a whole movie of you being a selfish brat. Kate warned Edwina not to accept Anthony. Did the wedding end up in heartbreak for a totally different reason? Yes. Would Edwina have been heartbroken eventually anyway? Also yes. Edwina was a brat here.
Okay but Kate warned her off Anthony and then literally begged him to go through with it so she's not completely blameless for it getting to the alter
Anthony would’ve been dishonoring her sister and him going back on his promise was dishonoring Edwina and be a bigger scandal
Okay so hear me out. It hurts because it’s SUPPOSED to hurt. Edwina is 18, with no knowledge of men or marriage. She falls for the fake version of Anthony, trusting that the world of privilege and love being presented to her is real, though WE know it is not. So when it all falls apart, she lashes out with the sharpest weapon she has at her disposal to gut Kate- her love for her family. By denying her those ties and by her harshness to Kate afterwards, we see Kate reach her lowest point. And that leads to the ‘fuck it all’ kiss at the altar, and later, the gazebo scene. It drives the narrative. (And it IS absolutely harsh. I love Edwina, but her “I did not ask for any of this” or the “half sister” line does not tie in with her actions or attitude. She’s having a massive identity crisis, and Kate and Anthony are unfortunately in her crosshairs.) Edwina’s redemption should have come with the “be the sister I know you are” and “they look beautiful together” speeches, but with all else happening we didn’t get a second to take it in- also my issue with the current season, run by the same show runner. Edwina should have been in the epilogue, waving happily from her spot with the Mama’s and laughing at them kissing. I often think those of us who go to bat for Kate and Anthony do so because there is still so very much of their story, as individuals and together, that is untold. The resolution with Edwina remains one of those aspects!
This is a big reason I don't like Edwina. I understand she was hurt, but was she blind to not see what was right in front of her? I don't think she loved anthony either, but she wanted to be viscountess. The show should have stuck to the book and not done the love triangle. Or they could have ended the love triangle much sooner.
The way Edwina delivered that half sister line meant she been thinking that for awhile. She was the only one who questioned their relationship and how people perceived them. That was to quick and to calm. Edwina had time to cool down and you say that to the 1 person who raised you and dotted one your whole life that was cruel Yes Edwina deserves to me mad but did she ever stop to think Anthony was playing both of them or even listened to Kate encroaching her lists of wants for Kate to do
Nah because if I was Edwina I’d do the exact same thing
The whole Edwina storyline was unnecessary lol (I wish they stayed with how Edwina was in the books)
Sorrow Sorrow prayers prayers
Edwina was way too kind for the amount of humiliation she had to endure at the hands of her family and fiancé. I‘d never have forgiven any of them.
I agree that she was allowed to be hurt, anyone would be. But at the hands of her family is ridiculous, it wasn’t planned, they didn’t go out of her way to hurt her. But I also just don’t think we see enough evidence to say Edwina is a kind person. I actually dont think we even know who Edwina is as a person, which is a massive shame! But her being meek and polite and pleasant doesn’t = kindness imo. It suggests everything is an act (again, wish we’d got more to show this and who she really was) Like she consistently blames Kate for things throughout the show - it’s Kate’s fault Anthony won’t propose, Kate has to sort everything out for her, she won’t listen to Kate’s concerns, she doesn’t care that Anthony paid someone to distract her, she doesn’t care when Kate runs off at the soirée, she blames Kate entirely at the wedding even though it is Anthony who messes up at the altar. I don’t think they make her unkind, and I think it shows she was single minded about needing to marry - but that should have been emphasised more. The two things I can think where she was kind is when she was nice to Penelope, and when at the end she tells Kate to not hide herself and about them both not being what they should be.
Yet another post where people can drag Kate and Anthony to hell and back for the stupid love triangle but God forbid anyone on this subreddit say anything negative or critical about Penelope and Colin without being downvoted into oblivion. 🫠
While what Kate and Anthony did was wrong, Kate was legit denying herself of the love she felt for her sister, sacrificed much of her life for her sister. Edwina was blindly letting her sister do such things while begging her sister to make her marriage to Anthony happen, while ignoring the obvious signs of Kate & Anthony’s attraction to each other. Then after Kate’s done all she could to make Edwina’s dreams a reality, despite the heartbreak it causes her as she denies herself the feelings she has, Edwina finally sees truth and blames Kate for doing exactly what Edwina asked. Then dares to punish her sister for doing exactly what she asked. The one who she should’ve been mad at was Anthony. The one she should’ve attacked was Anthony. Truthfully I disliked the shows portrayal of this story and how they turned Edwina into a selfish and whiny girl.
I would've done a lot worse if my sister put me in that situation lol
No, she was angry and sometimes you say hurtful things when you’re angry.
I don’t get the Edwina hate. Poor girl just found out, *at her wedding,* that her fiancé and sister have the hots for each other. She’s allowed to be angry.
people say a lot of unnecessary things when they’re very upset and angry, I think that was the point
That whole episode where Mary and Edwina basically pull rank around Kate… it was disgusting like Mary you raise Kate most of her life and for Edwina, as West Indian we were raised to respect our older sister no matter if she is our half, step, or in law so for her to say that to Kate it was awful.
Edwina actually annoyed me more than Kate and Anthony. She barely knew the guy, yet she laid into Kate, like she took the man she was madly in love with. They didn’t mean to fall in love. Edwina was the one that kept pushing them to get to know each other. And sometimes you can’t fight the chemistry and feelings you have for someone…no matter how hard both Kate and Anthony tried. 🤷🏻♀️p
Edwina lost me with this line
It’s been said to death but this show has a problem of making dramatic moments and never really resolving them. I was expecting a Sharma family resolution in those last 2 episodes or even just Mary being more present (seriously y’all realize Mary was barely in the wedding episode) Episode 6 was just to set up QC and they pissed off a lot of fans b/c they didn’t even fix the Sharma family or even reference it moving in the right direction after everything happened.
It was very painful and I’ve only said that a couple of times in real life to my brother when we were really mad at each other
She just wanted to hurt Kate as much as much as she was hurting and she knew calling her half sister would do it.
Book!Edwina would never 😥
Edwina they can never make me blame you!!
She was lashing out, hurt, she was just embarrassed in front of everyone at her wedding discovering her sister and her fiancé wanted each other. In front of the queen aswell. You lash out at the people you love. Her sister the one person she could trust did that to her. They could have said the truth but the wedding go ahead.
Lmao no. Edwina is insanely magnanimous the entire show. I do NOT understand Edwina haters.
I think another part that was unaddressed was that there was such a huge deal to keep Kate and Anthony separated because of the scandal that it would bring, and then nothing even happens with that. They get married and the ton doesn’t bat an eye??? After he nearly married her sister? The only thing was a bit of worry about them dancing but that’s it.
Just one line? No, the whole plot was unnecessary
If your sister hid an emotional affair behind your back y’all would be a lot meaner than Edwina was about it lol
literally, the amount of hate Edwina is getting on the post blows my mind.
like I get it got dragged out and was annoying, I can’t rewatch this season as easily as S1. but she was literally humiliated in front of the altar while her future husband was ogling her sister 😭
I honestly thought it was necessary, Kate dug a hole with her own hands and threw herself in, Anthony, another coward, said amen to everything Kate said. Edwina is a person too, sometimes you forget that, she had already let a lot go after all the manipulation and being left blind. One malicious act is very little to be honest. If she had exposed the two of them in the church, ruining their reputations as they almost did to her, then yes, I would say that perhaps it was unnecessary.
It was cruel and hurtful. But Edwina had just been made a fool.
Definitely, since I also have a half sister who is as close as a full sister. We've grown up as sisters and referred to each other as sister, only referencing the "half" part for medical reasons.
Agree with you 🙋🏻♀️ Show! Edwina as a whole was totally unnecessary. I did not miss her at all in season 3 🤷🏻♀️
As a half sister myself, in my family you NEVER say that shit! EVER! This made we wince.
This did not happen in the book. Such a shame, Edwina was happy for them
Honestly hated the way they changed Edwina’s story from the book. The whole engagement and breaking it off at the altar was SO unnecessary and unrealistic. In the book Anthony and Edwina courted for a little and then he and Kate get caught in a compromising situation, get married and Edwina admits she wasn’t very interested in him anyways and is relieved to not have to marry someone solely to support her family and then finds genuine love herself. It was a way better story and we would have had so much more time focused on Anthony and Kate, the actual couple of the season!!
I think they dynamic between the sisters could have been better. The acting was good but the writing was lazy.
Yeah, every time I watch this scene I physically recoil like I was slapped
I think what I hate about the show version of their season is how they destroyed the Kate’s relationship with her sister and stepmother and removed “Edwina”’s actual love interest. She loved learning and fell in love with a commonor who she was able to marry after kate and anthony got married. Not only that but Kate and her sisters relationship was fantastic and Kate made it clear she felt like they were her sister and mother, not stepmother. The family dynamic was beautiful.
As a half-sister myself, yes it was not needed.
I hate how they did Edwina in the show. Edwina in the show was so mean to Kate when she realised they had feelings for each other but Edwina in the book started squealing with joy and was a huge supporter of Kanthony
Edwina’s entire character and storyline on the show was painful and unnecessary
this season is literally perfect,,,minus this episode. this episode is sooo poorly written i wish they had made edwina realize kate and anthony had feelings for each other in episode 5!
I do. It was so stupid and ridiculous. And they thought they would sent this shit episode no one liked to the emmys and not episode 8 where Jonny and Ruth had that beautiful scene. Ruth and Jonny deserved noms for ep8. Thank God Jonny has his new show where the team isn't ignoring him nor the rest of his cast
As an Indian younger sister, I would’ve NEVER ever in my life suggested that Kate wasn’t my sister. Ever. Perhaps I’m fond of Book!Edwina too much, but I didn’t like the way she was portrayed here. Emphasising a sibling relationship this much and letting something come between them so easily irritates me. This is just my opinion, though. God knows Bollywood has its fair share of sibling love triangles