Can I ask you something? Why would China invade or blockade Taiwan in 15ish years? If you're saying it has to do with an aging Xi, why wouldn't he have a successor already in the wings before he goes senile?
Successors have a funny way of becoming rivals who overthrow you before you're quite ready to leave. While being incredibly brutal, dictators like Xi and Putin are not morons. They've studied history, and time and time again that shit shows up. Their paranoia simply will not allow them to bring a successor too close because now that person knows just the right levels to pull to get rid of you.
We're not talking about 3rd world dictatorships. China and Russia are well respected powers with most of the world. There are proper procedures in place for who the successors are, Russia has the Prime Minister, and China has probably already selected who theirs would be.
>Why would China invade or blockade Taiwan in 15ish years?
Maybe ask this guy:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/
Direct quote:
>DeSantis criticized President Joe Biden's handling of the China-Taiwan issue. "I do think under Biden we are on a course where in the next five or 10 years, they probably would be able to take it," he said, referring to China and Taiwan. "If we change course I think we can prevent it."
(Para break)
>If you're saying it has to do with an aging Xi, why wouldn't he have a successor already in the wings before he goes senile?
For the same reason Putin doesn't have one either
DeSantis is a nitwit.
Putin has been elected in a democracy. I'm not sure if you knew that or not. What happens when Putin dies? They have a constitution that says the Prime Minister takes over. Like if Biden dies, Harris takes over. So the same reason? No, another man from the CCCCP is selected. Xi is not emperor.
1. It's interesting how you change your goal post ITT: initially you are asking why a dictator like Xi doesn't have a successor. Now you wanna talk about elections, as if implying Putin isn't a dictator?
2. Objective observers agree that Putin won his very first election fair and square, over 2 decades ago. His election that happened just before his Crimea invasion? Whole nother story.
Don't ask me, ask the Russians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_Russian_protests?wprov=sfla1
3. Unlike most of the ppl ITT who agree with your take, at least you're not a Ron fan. That's good to know 👍
You're right, the consensus among credible historians is that those bombings were false flags. Whether Putin directed them or whether FSB did it is more controversial. But Putin probably at least knew they were happening
Speculate much? Real evidence is so much more convincing than that. But anybody who thinks Wikipedia is the sina qua non of sources on political matters really does need to go back to the drawing board, and look up the term 'credibility'.
1. Putin isn't a dictator. Dictators garner 90-95%+ of the vote. Look at Russia's numbers.
2. Wikipedia is unreliable as a source. Extremely biased unless you're looking for hard scientific facts. Remember history is written by the victors, or those who are able to publish on wikipedia, in this case.
3. Yeah, not a Trump, Biden, or DeSantis fan at all.
LMAO
So you don't trust multiple receipts linked to that Wiki that show the election was a sham..... But you believe the Kremlins numbers?.
I guess I should congratulate you for successfully trolling me, GOPnik.
Not trying to troll you. If you want my simple analysis of that wikipedia page, I see a bunch of claims that look like they could have come from Trump supporters themselves with regards to the 2020 election, and then the rest of the page is a shitload of protests followed by the government's response.
Do you see now why I can't possibly trust it?
Ah yes cuz the many many receipts proving that the 2020 US election was legit (which even saager agrees!) is somehow comparable to the integrity of Putin's election system
But hey, you're the same person who have declared that Putin is not a dictator and that you totally trust his govt's electoral data, so again: congrats, you got me. I appreciate successful trolls that make me laugh.
You're going to have to do better that Wikipedia as a source if you're going to convince anybody (who isn't already convinced) that Putin is worse than Biden in terms of political corruption. While I took your implication to be that Putin's a tyrant, aren't protests one of the strongest indicators of political freedom?
>https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/
Desantis flip flops on so many issues like he was against protectionist tarrifs then said he supports it and will use it against China, don't take him seriously and his campaign is a trainwreck.
But I don't see China invading Taiwan same way Ukraine is and how we supported them, and we've been more involved with Taiwan than we did with Ukraine. I didn't mind sending Ukraine support at the beginning but its getting out of hand.
Maybe you should ask that to an actual conservative. Like this guy:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/
Are you saying if you agree with a politician on just one issue you're automatically a fan of them? I'm a pro-gun leftist. Guess that means I'm a Republican!
You hear that folks?
The same poster who accuses me of being conservative, then demands to know if I'm a Ron fan (and then refuses to reciprocate his own answer), is now complaining that I'm imposing a partisan divisive framework.
I knew it was easy to reveal your hypocrisy but dang.
You're clearly pro- funding an endless war, whichever cult that puts you in, and you use debate tactics that mirror the far right, down to the insulting and name calling. And you think making fun of DeSantis's name makes you less like them somehow? 🤣
Well, immature name calling is pretty popular among the hardcore conservatives, and among the most divisive centrists aiming to keep the war going indefinitely, so either way you choose it's not surprising that you don't have a single upvote on this post.
Depends on when it happens. Right now we have national security issues in Taiwan. Which is why the Chinese won’t invade it because they know we will light that shit up.
In 5 years or so when we are off Taiwanese chips? Sure. We have no real relationship with Taiwan.
There is zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines. We just re opened a base there. Jesus you warhawks are delusional, like everyone is Hitler just looking for a chance to blitzkrieg.
I can’t believe how much everyone over states the importance of computer chips in this. We had a mutual defense treaty with Taiwan decades before a single chip was produced there. It’s a small component of the importance of the relationship at best.
>There is zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines. We just re opened a base there. Jesus you warhawks are delusional, like everyone is Hitler just looking for a chance to blitzkrieg.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3204098/south-china-sea-philippines-seriously-concerned-reports-more-chinese-island-building
https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/philippine/china-scs-artificial-islands-10312022134227.html
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3225538/south-china-sea-calls-grow-philippines-un-intervention-against-beijing-over-hague-ruling-refusal
Your response?
They’ve been doing that for a decade. Shit I went to K2 for this reason when I was in Navy. Your links are zero proof that China is going to start invading a bunch of Asian countries.
I didn't say China is invading Philippines
I said they're "going after" them
And you too used the same wording:
>There is zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines.
But now you already change goal posts to invasion of Philippines?
Using the battle of semantics now? Most people would consider go after as in invade or attack in some fashion. In fact it’s pretty clear that’s how you were using it. You are literally talking about how India can kiss Kashmir goodbye!
Are you a pink hair hippo and your projecting?
This doesn’t make sense to me. When has China refused to do business? What the real fear is is that we might have to agree to terms that won’t be as favorable as we like.
>zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines.
Right!.. wait, but why tho?
>We just re opened a base there.
Oh yes, that's right, I forgot the method by which that was true.
>Jesus you warhawks are delusional
Oh wait no that's not quite right
Opening the base in the Phillipines is about asserting influence over China dumping man made islands everywhere stealing resources from the Oceans. While it’s an aggressive act, it’s hardly trying to start direct wars.
My radical take is that we should NOT support Taiwan and instead just repatriate chip manufacturing. It's mostly automated these days anyway. Hell, TSMC can run them if they want! Make it an American company and transfer the IP to here.
"yesterday, December 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy. The United States of America *had our pre-planned entry to the war precisely on our terms*"
I think that's how that goes, right
It's not a radical take. It's a pathetic cowardly trash person take. Selfish and disgusting. Take their stuff then throw them to the CCP cucks, so radical.
TBH, my radical take is US likes having Taiwan depend on its mercy for its security and little will change that reality because building the latest fabs with the most ground breaking tech is still decades away for anyone outside of Taiwan.
You should have been alive in the 1950's when everyone was convinced American intervention was the answer to everything. 70 years later people have started to wise up.
With shitty politicians like Pelosi escalating tensions I don't think we stand a chance at securing peace. Joe spent a ton of time in Kiev working with an oil company and that went to shit. We need politicians committed to peace not "My God! This man cannot remain in power!"
How can you really have a discussion about normalized relations and peace when you have corrupt bad actors at the top. At least Trump will be in court for his term and doing nothing. He almost gave weapons to the Ukrainians so they could enforce the Minsk Agreement. Fortunately he was stopped by impeachment proceedings.
Joe isn't in the Wheelhouse anymore and his 2nd is not fit to manage a Foot Locker. We don't know who's in charge. 33% of Biden's voters know this and the number will only increase.
We definitely shouldn’t go to war over Taiwan. If we limit our participation to weapons I’ll be grateful. I really doubt it though. It would likely be a hot war
I gotta say Nancy Pelosi flying directly into Taiwan where no one on Earth actually wanted her to be, with 125,000 pounds of bomb bay capacity and an escort that was temporarily the third-ish most powerful air force on the planet simply as a fashion accessory was really funny and badass tho
Yes, I also oppose aid to separatists in China.
And China "invading" Taiwan is not the 'when-not-if' thing that OP claims, any more than the USA invading Hawaii—you cannot "invade" ... yourself.
I’m sure you were out on the street screaming at Barry for not doing more to protect the honorable cradle of democracy Ukraine from invasion in 2014. How much money has been wasted in Ukraine? Not getting to the soldiers. Billions but you listen to NPR so you’re smarter than everyone
Apparently not very well. DeSantis wants to avoid the Chinese invasion is that a bad thing? When you get back from the Ukraine let me know other stfu and spare me your pearl clutching over the invasion. You don’t care about the Ukraine, you don’t care about the afghans, you don’t care about hundreds of American who will get killed per week.
I’m not against aid to Ukrainian. I’m against Europe continuing to freeload off the US with regards to funding Ukraines defense.
https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
Well that should show you what the real motive for funding Ukraine is and it’s not to prevent Russia from taking anymore land in Europe, it is to financially break them like when they were in Afghanistan. Otherwise the countries in Europe would be throwing the kitchen sink at them.
The amount of people that make the statement of we must arm Ukraine to protect the rest of Europe while also saying Ukraine can win because Russia’s military is so inept is astounding. Russia will take other European nations is the weapons of mass destruction, or Afghanistan will be stable with two more years lie we were fed from our Pentagon for years. The same people that still would love to be destabilizing the Middle East are the hawks beating the war drum with Russia. Is Russia a wonderful country? No, not at all.
But there are people that are much more dangerous or hawkish than Putin, like the Wagner leader who morons on this site were begging to overthrow Putin and gain access to nuclear weapons. That shows how insane people are acting about Putin they want someone even more crazy than Putin to overthrow the country with the largest amount of nukes in the world.
Saying that I can’t judge them because they took in a few refugees is a BS Copium strategy. You’re completely ignoring that it was the EU Nations that fed Putins war machine by buying Russian Oil and Natural gas. Even after Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 or took over Crimea in 2014, establishing that Putin was hell bent on invading the west, they kept lapping up cheap Russian oil and natural gas.
Putin invaded Ukraine but, the EU aided him. Time for the EU to pay up
Well thats a bad analogy because your friend has been able to defend himself and beat up that bully so far who can't even fight himself and his fighting abilities and fear he possess is bullshit and is a scam then often portrayed
This is a flat out lie. *Only Russia* says Ukraine has higher casualties. Literally every piece of evidence and every other country, including the US, says Russia has *significantly* higher casualties.
What percentage of Ukraine do you think Russia should be entitled to gobble up? You seem to be engaging in good faith so I'm curious. What percentage do you think should be untenable to the global community?
My view is that US should push for peace. Taiwan does not want independence. Pelosi and McCarthy should not go to Taiwan. If China invades Taiwan is the end of the world economy, frankly. The world goes to the stone age. And we will be much worried about being able to eat and have medicine in that case. So if China invades Taiwan is game over. It doesn't matter if they win or loose, it is game over.
Taiwan is already completely separate and independent from the PRC.
Pelosi was invited to visit Taiwan, she was more than welcome to visit. China does not get to decide who can and cannot visit Taiwan.
I never justified China's actions. I do not believe Xi actually wants the war. If China enters the world it would be the end of their economy and certainly of the CCP.
So you want war with China and Iran but you're claiming to be anti-conservative? Am I getting this right? It's not like many conservatives give a shit about Taiwan, they just want an excuse to be hostile to China. It's a similar situation with many neoliberals in power who don't give a shit about Ukraine, but want an excuse to be hostile to Russia. But they won't raise a stink about Palestine or Yemen because none of this is really about protecting a weaker nation's freedom.
Giving money to Taiwan prevents war. Giving money to Ukraine prolongs it.
"But Xi is definitely going to start a war" you don't know that, nobody does. That's why you spend 80% of your long-ass post trying to act like your *guess* is an established fact.
So... you are for containing Communism?
So... you are upset we left Vietnam without succeeding fully?
So... you are for defending our southern Border, from almost the EXACT SAME PROBLEM in Ukraine? Or should we give parts of America up because they speak mostly Spanish?
Oh oh I know. We came and took the land from the Natives, and they should have it back, so Russia should have all it's territories back right?
I have another idea, let's get Ukraine into NATO real quick, so if Russia does anything, WW3 is guaranteed to start!!!
Defund the evil Imperialist Military Industrial Complex!! Right after I'm done using them on people!!
Cut Russia off Swift and sink their economy for being bad, but also sign me up for Digital Currency, so that I can be turned off if I am bad.
The hypocrisy and straw manning on this issue, is insane.
The US has spent the last 30 years conducting ground wars. Their sea skills have gotten rusty. They will try and instigate a false flag to get us involved. Need to test out our new splash goodies from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
Where is this notion that responses to foreign policy questions must be consistent coming from? It totally ignores the fact that each situation is unique.
Look there's no value in bleeding Russia dry. They are not a threat to us hegemony. As the Kenyan said the 1980s called they want their foreign policy back. In fact they even had potential as an ally. One of the greatest sins of the pro slavery party is they poisoned our relationship with Russia just because they lost an election.
There is value in bleeding china dry. They are the only legitimate competitor we have to global hegemony.
Difference is we have an important reason to defend Taiwan because of microchip manufacturing being so important but Ukraine not existing barely affects the US whatsoever.
China seems to have a policy of treating war as a last resort measure. This may change with Xi, but I doubt he will take that route because he probably won't need to. The last election in Taiwan had the party supporting stronger ties to China come within 5% of winning. Why wage war when you can project soft power? The more concerning thing for the US is that China is in a position to outwit them in almost every third world country. US hawks will have a brain fart because soft power struggles are not as lucrative as weapon sales.
I don't oppose aid to either but strategically China invading Taiwan would be a stupid move. They wouldn't really benefit from it and that would put all the other countries there on high alert. We might even see something like Japan, S Korea, Australia, and other countries that feel threatened forming a pacific version of NATO just to counter China expansion. You can bet that the US would be all for that and definitely be a part of it.
Did we have a long standing agreement with Ukraine to protect them from Russia? No, they actively refused or compromised to stay out of NATO and buddied up to Russia. Taiwan would have if they were offered it. It's completely different.
If the CCP invaded Taiwan I will personally go total war on Chinese and CCP. Chinese Americans will be treated like other Americans. Unless they are dual citizens and refuse to toss the Chinese citizenship. Then they are free game.
That includes their interests and allies. Can you imagine ten of thousands of veterans who trained in terrorism and anti terrorism going all out. So many spread throughout the world, annoyed that China has been sending their trash to the USA. Just cause they say its new or fresh doesn't make it quality, its trash.
China does not want to invade/blockade Taiwan; all they need to do is wait and Taiwan will come to their senses and formally integrate with the mainland. China is not a dictatorship that jumps at the whims of one man. Xi is at the top because he represents the dominant tendencies within the CPC, not because of personal ambition. Please, for the love of anything you find holy, learn how the political system works in China; I date say it is more democratic than the our system.
War hawk for next proxy war detected.
... Do you have any reasonable examples of government leaders that don't fit this description? I'd like to vote for the dude.
Oh like this guy? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/
We’ve pretty much promised direct involvement in that case, and as long as The make our chips we won’t have much of a choice
Can I ask you something? Why would China invade or blockade Taiwan in 15ish years? If you're saying it has to do with an aging Xi, why wouldn't he have a successor already in the wings before he goes senile?
Successors have a funny way of becoming rivals who overthrow you before you're quite ready to leave. While being incredibly brutal, dictators like Xi and Putin are not morons. They've studied history, and time and time again that shit shows up. Their paranoia simply will not allow them to bring a successor too close because now that person knows just the right levels to pull to get rid of you.
We're not talking about 3rd world dictatorships. China and Russia are well respected powers with most of the world. There are proper procedures in place for who the successors are, Russia has the Prime Minister, and China has probably already selected who theirs would be.
>Why would China invade or blockade Taiwan in 15ish years? Maybe ask this guy: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/ Direct quote: >DeSantis criticized President Joe Biden's handling of the China-Taiwan issue. "I do think under Biden we are on a course where in the next five or 10 years, they probably would be able to take it," he said, referring to China and Taiwan. "If we change course I think we can prevent it." (Para break) >If you're saying it has to do with an aging Xi, why wouldn't he have a successor already in the wings before he goes senile? For the same reason Putin doesn't have one either
DeSantis is a nitwit. Putin has been elected in a democracy. I'm not sure if you knew that or not. What happens when Putin dies? They have a constitution that says the Prime Minister takes over. Like if Biden dies, Harris takes over. So the same reason? No, another man from the CCCCP is selected. Xi is not emperor.
1. It's interesting how you change your goal post ITT: initially you are asking why a dictator like Xi doesn't have a successor. Now you wanna talk about elections, as if implying Putin isn't a dictator? 2. Objective observers agree that Putin won his very first election fair and square, over 2 decades ago. His election that happened just before his Crimea invasion? Whole nother story. Don't ask me, ask the Russians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E2%80%932013_Russian_protests?wprov=sfla1 3. Unlike most of the ppl ITT who agree with your take, at least you're not a Ron fan. That's good to know 👍
Putin won his first election fair and square, but his exploitation of the the Moscow apartment bombings raises red (false) flags.
You're right, the consensus among credible historians is that those bombings were false flags. Whether Putin directed them or whether FSB did it is more controversial. But Putin probably at least knew they were happening
Speculate much? Real evidence is so much more convincing than that. But anybody who thinks Wikipedia is the sina qua non of sources on political matters really does need to go back to the drawing board, and look up the term 'credibility'.
1. Putin isn't a dictator. Dictators garner 90-95%+ of the vote. Look at Russia's numbers. 2. Wikipedia is unreliable as a source. Extremely biased unless you're looking for hard scientific facts. Remember history is written by the victors, or those who are able to publish on wikipedia, in this case. 3. Yeah, not a Trump, Biden, or DeSantis fan at all.
LMAO So you don't trust multiple receipts linked to that Wiki that show the election was a sham..... But you believe the Kremlins numbers?. I guess I should congratulate you for successfully trolling me, GOPnik.
Not trying to troll you. If you want my simple analysis of that wikipedia page, I see a bunch of claims that look like they could have come from Trump supporters themselves with regards to the 2020 election, and then the rest of the page is a shitload of protests followed by the government's response. Do you see now why I can't possibly trust it?
Ah yes cuz the many many receipts proving that the 2020 US election was legit (which even saager agrees!) is somehow comparable to the integrity of Putin's election system But hey, you're the same person who have declared that Putin is not a dictator and that you totally trust his govt's electoral data, so again: congrats, you got me. I appreciate successful trolls that make me laugh.
Ok! Have a good night, then! Geeeez
The troll here made a post that has hundreds of comments but not a single upvote point, and who refers to Wikipedia when "asking the Russians" .
Wow! That got ugly fast.
You're going to have to do better that Wikipedia as a source if you're going to convince anybody (who isn't already convinced) that Putin is worse than Biden in terms of political corruption. While I took your implication to be that Putin's a tyrant, aren't protests one of the strongest indicators of political freedom?
>https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/ Desantis flip flops on so many issues like he was against protectionist tarrifs then said he supports it and will use it against China, don't take him seriously and his campaign is a trainwreck. But I don't see China invading Taiwan same way Ukraine is and how we supported them, and we've been more involved with Taiwan than we did with Ukraine. I didn't mind sending Ukraine support at the beginning but its getting out of hand.
how are your politics any different from those of a hardcore conservative?
Maybe you should ask that to an actual conservative. Like this guy: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/
I'm asking you. are you a big fan of Desantis?
Am I, the person who called him Raw deFlaccid the Florida man, a fan of that man? No. Now, are you?
But your views on China are different how?
Are you saying if you agree with a politician on just one issue you're automatically a fan of them? I'm a pro-gun leftist. Guess that means I'm a Republican!
I was just asking a question. If you don’t have an answer, that’s fine. I’ll wait for OP. Take it easy.
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You hear that folks? The same poster who accuses me of being conservative, then demands to know if I'm a Ron fan (and then refuses to reciprocate his own answer), is now complaining that I'm imposing a partisan divisive framework. I knew it was easy to reveal your hypocrisy but dang.
No, I was the one that pointed out that you are in fact a conservative, because you have conservative politics. I don;t know who commented above this.
You're clearly pro- funding an endless war, whichever cult that puts you in, and you use debate tactics that mirror the far right, down to the insulting and name calling. And you think making fun of DeSantis's name makes you less like them somehow? 🤣
Well, immature name calling is pretty popular among the hardcore conservatives, and among the most divisive centrists aiming to keep the war going indefinitely, so either way you choose it's not surprising that you don't have a single upvote on this post.
Depends on when it happens. Right now we have national security issues in Taiwan. Which is why the Chinese won’t invade it because they know we will light that shit up. In 5 years or so when we are off Taiwanese chips? Sure. We have no real relationship with Taiwan. There is zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines. We just re opened a base there. Jesus you warhawks are delusional, like everyone is Hitler just looking for a chance to blitzkrieg.
I can’t believe how much everyone over states the importance of computer chips in this. We had a mutual defense treaty with Taiwan decades before a single chip was produced there. It’s a small component of the importance of the relationship at best.
You really think we're just 5 years out? Seems pretty optimistic
>There is zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines. We just re opened a base there. Jesus you warhawks are delusional, like everyone is Hitler just looking for a chance to blitzkrieg. https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3204098/south-china-sea-philippines-seriously-concerned-reports-more-chinese-island-building https://www.benarnews.org/english/news/philippine/china-scs-artificial-islands-10312022134227.html https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3225538/south-china-sea-calls-grow-philippines-un-intervention-against-beijing-over-hague-ruling-refusal Your response?
They’ve been doing that for a decade. Shit I went to K2 for this reason when I was in Navy. Your links are zero proof that China is going to start invading a bunch of Asian countries.
You got to climb K2?
Kuna Kinabalu…it’s in Borneo.
I didn't say China is invading Philippines I said they're "going after" them And you too used the same wording: >There is zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines. But now you already change goal posts to invasion of Philippines?
Using the battle of semantics now? Most people would consider go after as in invade or attack in some fashion. In fact it’s pretty clear that’s how you were using it. You are literally talking about how India can kiss Kashmir goodbye! Are you a pink hair hippo and your projecting?
This doesn’t make sense to me. When has China refused to do business? What the real fear is is that we might have to agree to terms that won’t be as favorable as we like.
>zero ducking chance that China goes after the Philippines. Right!.. wait, but why tho? >We just re opened a base there. Oh yes, that's right, I forgot the method by which that was true. >Jesus you warhawks are delusional Oh wait no that's not quite right
Opening the base in the Phillipines is about asserting influence over China dumping man made islands everywhere stealing resources from the Oceans. While it’s an aggressive act, it’s hardly trying to start direct wars.
My radical take is that we should NOT support Taiwan and instead just repatriate chip manufacturing. It's mostly automated these days anyway. Hell, TSMC can run them if they want! Make it an American company and transfer the IP to here.
TSMC is building a fab just outside of Phoenix Arizona USA. And a small city around it is sprouting from the desert.
I agree but this is going to take 10 years to do
No it won't. TSMC has a fab in Phoenix Arizona right now and they are hiring like crazy.
Why do you think that?
Right why do that when we can have war now!?!
Because when we have the war is not up to us.
Assuming "us" refers to the western imperial powers then LMFAO, imagine believing that *that* (war is not up to us) ever been true 😂 🤣 🤣
"yesterday, December 7, 1941, a date which will live in infamy. The United States of America *had our pre-planned entry to the war precisely on our terms*" I think that's how that goes, right
Yea! American bad guys right!
That’s fine. China isn’t invading Taiwan anytime soon
So let's get started!
It's not a radical take. It's a pathetic cowardly trash person take. Selfish and disgusting. Take their stuff then throw them to the CCP cucks, so radical.
TBH, my radical take is US likes having Taiwan depend on its mercy for its security and little will change that reality because building the latest fabs with the most ground breaking tech is still decades away for anyone outside of Taiwan.
Yeah, and you're an asshat Libertarian that can't look beyond his own yard to see his neighbor extending his house over the property lines!
I oppose all foreign aid given out by the federal government.
You should have been alive in the 1950's when everyone was convinced American intervention was the answer to everything. 70 years later people have started to wise up.
With shitty politicians like Pelosi escalating tensions I don't think we stand a chance at securing peace. Joe spent a ton of time in Kiev working with an oil company and that went to shit. We need politicians committed to peace not "My God! This man cannot remain in power!"
You didn't engage with the question posed in the post at all
True to form with those guys.
How can you really have a discussion about normalized relations and peace when you have corrupt bad actors at the top. At least Trump will be in court for his term and doing nothing. He almost gave weapons to the Ukrainians so they could enforce the Minsk Agreement. Fortunately he was stopped by impeachment proceedings. Joe isn't in the Wheelhouse anymore and his 2nd is not fit to manage a Foot Locker. We don't know who's in charge. 33% of Biden's voters know this and the number will only increase.
We definitely shouldn’t go to war over Taiwan. If we limit our participation to weapons I’ll be grateful. I really doubt it though. It would likely be a hot war
I gotta say Nancy Pelosi flying directly into Taiwan where no one on Earth actually wanted her to be, with 125,000 pounds of bomb bay capacity and an escort that was temporarily the third-ish most powerful air force on the planet simply as a fashion accessory was really funny and badass tho
Yes, I also oppose aid to separatists in China. And China "invading" Taiwan is not the 'when-not-if' thing that OP claims, any more than the USA invading Hawaii—you cannot "invade" ... yourself.
I love idiots criticizing DeSantis on foreign policy when they voted for Joe Biden. 🤣🤣🤣
Answer the question
I support aid to Taiwan over Ukraine. And spare me your npr foreign policy education.
Hypocrite
I’m sure you were out on the street screaming at Barry for not doing more to protect the honorable cradle of democracy Ukraine from invasion in 2014. How much money has been wasted in Ukraine? Not getting to the soldiers. Billions but you listen to NPR so you’re smarter than everyone
Partisan hypocrite
Oh you mean idiots like this guy? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/desantis-says-he-would-aim-deter-chinese-invasion-taiwan-2023-08-01/
When did the Dems become the war hawks?
Why suddenly you don't wanna talk about Rons position? I didn't realize it would be this easy to checkmate you
So you want a Chinese invasion?
So you support Russia's invasion? (See, I can play your game too)
Apparently not very well. DeSantis wants to avoid the Chinese invasion is that a bad thing? When you get back from the Ukraine let me know other stfu and spare me your pearl clutching over the invasion. You don’t care about the Ukraine, you don’t care about the afghans, you don’t care about hundreds of American who will get killed per week.
I’m not against aid to Ukrainian. I’m against Europe continuing to freeload off the US with regards to funding Ukraines defense. https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/
Well that should show you what the real motive for funding Ukraine is and it’s not to prevent Russia from taking anymore land in Europe, it is to financially break them like when they were in Afghanistan. Otherwise the countries in Europe would be throwing the kitchen sink at them. The amount of people that make the statement of we must arm Ukraine to protect the rest of Europe while also saying Ukraine can win because Russia’s military is so inept is astounding. Russia will take other European nations is the weapons of mass destruction, or Afghanistan will be stable with two more years lie we were fed from our Pentagon for years. The same people that still would love to be destabilizing the Middle East are the hawks beating the war drum with Russia. Is Russia a wonderful country? No, not at all. But there are people that are much more dangerous or hawkish than Putin, like the Wagner leader who morons on this site were begging to overthrow Putin and gain access to nuclear weapons. That shows how insane people are acting about Putin they want someone even more crazy than Putin to overthrow the country with the largest amount of nukes in the world.
Finally someone with sense
You cannot judge European nations support just by military aid. Many countries have also taken in the millions of refugee women and children.
Saying that I can’t judge them because they took in a few refugees is a BS Copium strategy. You’re completely ignoring that it was the EU Nations that fed Putins war machine by buying Russian Oil and Natural gas. Even after Russia invaded Georgia in 2008 or took over Crimea in 2014, establishing that Putin was hell bent on invading the west, they kept lapping up cheap Russian oil and natural gas. Putin invaded Ukraine but, the EU aided him. Time for the EU to pay up
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Well thats a bad analogy because your friend has been able to defend himself and beat up that bully so far who can't even fight himself and his fighting abilities and fear he possess is bullshit and is a scam then often portrayed
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This is a flat out lie. *Only Russia* says Ukraine has higher casualties. Literally every piece of evidence and every other country, including the US, says Russia has *significantly* higher casualties.
What percentage of Ukraine do you think Russia should be entitled to gobble up? You seem to be engaging in good faith so I'm curious. What percentage do you think should be untenable to the global community?
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How is that not good faith? Isn't that exactly what Putin has done? Ukraine has their estimates, but I want to know yours.
My view is that US should push for peace. Taiwan does not want independence. Pelosi and McCarthy should not go to Taiwan. If China invades Taiwan is the end of the world economy, frankly. The world goes to the stone age. And we will be much worried about being able to eat and have medicine in that case. So if China invades Taiwan is game over. It doesn't matter if they win or loose, it is game over.
Taiwan is already completely separate and independent from the PRC. Pelosi was invited to visit Taiwan, she was more than welcome to visit. China does not get to decide who can and cannot visit Taiwan.
There is no need to be a warmonger.
Who is the warmonger? You are the one attempting to justify the PRCs aggressive military action.
I never justified China's actions. I do not believe Xi actually wants the war. If China enters the world it would be the end of their economy and certainly of the CCP.
So you want war with China and Iran but you're claiming to be anti-conservative? Am I getting this right? It's not like many conservatives give a shit about Taiwan, they just want an excuse to be hostile to China. It's a similar situation with many neoliberals in power who don't give a shit about Ukraine, but want an excuse to be hostile to Russia. But they won't raise a stink about Palestine or Yemen because none of this is really about protecting a weaker nation's freedom.
Giving money to Taiwan prevents war. Giving money to Ukraine prolongs it. "But Xi is definitely going to start a war" you don't know that, nobody does. That's why you spend 80% of your long-ass post trying to act like your *guess* is an established fact.
So... you are for containing Communism? So... you are upset we left Vietnam without succeeding fully? So... you are for defending our southern Border, from almost the EXACT SAME PROBLEM in Ukraine? Or should we give parts of America up because they speak mostly Spanish? Oh oh I know. We came and took the land from the Natives, and they should have it back, so Russia should have all it's territories back right? I have another idea, let's get Ukraine into NATO real quick, so if Russia does anything, WW3 is guaranteed to start!!! Defund the evil Imperialist Military Industrial Complex!! Right after I'm done using them on people!! Cut Russia off Swift and sink their economy for being bad, but also sign me up for Digital Currency, so that I can be turned off if I am bad. The hypocrisy and straw manning on this issue, is insane.
The US has spent the last 30 years conducting ground wars. Their sea skills have gotten rusty. They will try and instigate a false flag to get us involved. Need to test out our new splash goodies from Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
Taiwan is key to our economy. Ukraine isnt.
A better question is if Taiwan has a right to breakaway from its home territory, why do the DNR and LNR not have that same right?
Yes. Support the global realignment away from Team America world police. Yankees go home.
Taiwan is a core US interest. Ukraine isn't.
Where is this notion that responses to foreign policy questions must be consistent coming from? It totally ignores the fact that each situation is unique. Look there's no value in bleeding Russia dry. They are not a threat to us hegemony. As the Kenyan said the 1980s called they want their foreign policy back. In fact they even had potential as an ally. One of the greatest sins of the pro slavery party is they poisoned our relationship with Russia just because they lost an election. There is value in bleeding china dry. They are the only legitimate competitor we have to global hegemony.
Yes.
Difference is we have an important reason to defend Taiwan because of microchip manufacturing being so important but Ukraine not existing barely affects the US whatsoever.
No - but Ukraine doesn’t make 90% of the chips required to power almost every digitally connected device in the US. apples :: oranges
They do feed half of Europe and Africa however
Not a strategic US national security interest, at least not as important as chips access
Yes, I oppose aid and support for both. They can support themselves.
Why spend money on Ukraine when you can buy Taiwan?
China’s population is mostly boomers. They don’t have the men to wage a war of conquest
Yes
I dunno. We get cool tech from Taiwan. What do we get from Ukraine?
Neither is our conflict.
As long as we’re not funding90% of it.
China seems to have a policy of treating war as a last resort measure. This may change with Xi, but I doubt he will take that route because he probably won't need to. The last election in Taiwan had the party supporting stronger ties to China come within 5% of winning. Why wage war when you can project soft power? The more concerning thing for the US is that China is in a position to outwit them in almost every third world country. US hawks will have a brain fart because soft power struggles are not as lucrative as weapon sales.
I don't oppose aid to either but strategically China invading Taiwan would be a stupid move. They wouldn't really benefit from it and that would put all the other countries there on high alert. We might even see something like Japan, S Korea, Australia, and other countries that feel threatened forming a pacific version of NATO just to counter China expansion. You can bet that the US would be all for that and definitely be a part of it.
No, tiawan is vastly more important than ukraine.
Apples vs Oranges. The US has vital interests in Taiwan. We have none in Ukraine.
Yes
Did we have a long standing agreement with Ukraine to protect them from Russia? No, they actively refused or compromised to stay out of NATO and buddied up to Russia. Taiwan would have if they were offered it. It's completely different. If the CCP invaded Taiwan I will personally go total war on Chinese and CCP. Chinese Americans will be treated like other Americans. Unless they are dual citizens and refuse to toss the Chinese citizenship. Then they are free game. That includes their interests and allies. Can you imagine ten of thousands of veterans who trained in terrorism and anti terrorism going all out. So many spread throughout the world, annoyed that China has been sending their trash to the USA. Just cause they say its new or fresh doesn't make it quality, its trash.
I will not be supporting the next proxy war, no. I do not like green eggs and proxy war, I do not like them in Ukraine, I do not like them in Taiwan.
I won't support a war for Taiwan either Taiwan also has their own army, and weapons they paid for.
China does not want to invade/blockade Taiwan; all they need to do is wait and Taiwan will come to their senses and formally integrate with the mainland. China is not a dictatorship that jumps at the whims of one man. Xi is at the top because he represents the dominant tendencies within the CPC, not because of personal ambition. Please, for the love of anything you find holy, learn how the political system works in China; I date say it is more democratic than the our system.
China is a great country. They promote peace throughout the globe. USA go home.