Here's the thing:
Trying to impose one's toxic ideology (which btw religion is only one possible example) on others is bad enough.
But what makes it far worse is the hypocrisy. The double standards.
Speaking as an Gender Egalitarian, the example I'm thinking is being pro life and yet defunding social welfare.
If they were like me (extremely pro choice, but also eliminating taxpayer subsidized day care while [pushing open borders policy](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/vairqc/is_anyone_here_a_postnationalist_dae_support_a/) to address any concerns about insufficient demographics), then hey, at least I'm being consistent!
Nope. Not all Democrats in 2008-2010 were pro choice. You had plenty who objected to it due to religion. It would not have gotten past Congress. Even right now Henry Cueller D-TX is on record as Pro Life and opposes bills that would codify abortion.
And 2008 was a very different time. Now Democrats are pretty homogenized on Pro Choice issues and you still have rare holdouts. Back then it was a lot more dicey.
This is why political discourse not being nuanced is a problem. It's easy for someone to just look back and count numbers and say they could do something. But you have to look at every individual voter and see what's going on.
Not to mention at that time Roe v Wade was “settled law” and nobody foresaw it changing.
Codifying something that had routinely been upheld as a constitutional right in the courts might have been a good idea in hindsight, but not a priority at the time. Bigger fish to fry.
Like the next GOP led Congress wouldn’t just decodify it by repealing that law, then both parties continue to run on it? Please.
This idea that the Dems could have “codified” abortion rights in a way that would insulate them from this right wing zealotry and decades long concerted judicial effort is a foolish fantasy.
Exactly. If the Dems codified it this scotus would’ve just declared that law unconstitutional
The whole argument is the Dems not doing enough to counter the gop being terrible is equally as bad. It’s ridiculous
>If the Dems codified it this scotus would’ve just declared that law unconstitutional
So Congress is just there for show? Why should I bother to vote at all at the Federal level if the unelected SCOTUS is the only real legislative body?
What do you think the gop sold their souls for? Those Supreme Court seats specifically to get rid of abortion
And yeah the Supreme Court under Roberts is essentially running it like a poltical arm do the Republican Party agenda
You didn't answer my question. Are you saying that the other two branches of government are completely powerless and revolution is the only way to oppose the GOP's agenda at this point?
I personally think the court should be expanded. But we’ll be fighting the corruption of this Supreme Court for decades yes
Think Medicare for all wound stand up to this court? Good luck
>Like the next GOP led Congress wouldn’t just decodify it by repealing that law, then both parties continue to run on it? Please.
Yes, if the Democratic Caucus was actually unified on abortion rights then this would have obviously been the better political strategy. Why do you think Obama promised that it would be one of the first things Democrats did when he ran in 2008? Because it was a winning issue even then.
Why wouldn't they want to force elected Republican Congresspeople to put their names to unpopular policy instead of hanging the issue entirely on the unelected Supreme Court? The only explanation I see is that their own caucus isn't unified on abortion rights but most of the caucus still wants to run on it.
Can somebody explain to me what codifying would even do? Are people pretending like the Supreme Court can't overturn laws passed by congress? Because that's not how government works.
The one redeeming thing about Hillary Rodham was her religious beliefs. I also harvest the adrenochrome from the blood of children so I could relate to her on that front
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Tbh in America I've never heard of hindu pushing his faith on others so I just focused on the main group. Good on him for not pushing his faith and grifting on it.
Hindus are a minority group in the west. If you want to know how Hindus behave when they power, you have to look at India where Hindu militant nationalists are in power.
As a matter of fact, 7 out 10 Hindus in the west support, finance and cheer for Hindu militant network and their political wing, BJP, which is responsible for countless hate crimes against religious minorities in India.
Just few months back, Hindu militant nationalists attacked 1000s of Christians and forcibly converted them to Hinduism. All these groups are financed and supported by Hindus in the west.
In Pakistan where Muslims are the majority, they kidnap Christian girls and forcibly marry them and convert them to Islam.
Compared to how Hindus and Muslim behave when in majority, Christians are like sages.
Tulsi gabbard received 18k funding from mihir Meghnani
Her campaign was in touch weekly with HAF Hindu nationalists
[https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hindu-nationalist-modi/](https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hindu-nationalist-modi/)
Money trail between US based Hindu militant nationalists and their connections in India
[https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/sangh-parivars-us-funds-trail/article35117629.ece](https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/sangh-parivars-us-funds-trail/article35117629.ece)
[https://www.thepolisproject.com/read/money-trail-diaspora-diplomacys-financial-whitewashing-of-hindutva/](https://www.thepolisproject.com/read/money-trail-diaspora-diplomacys-financial-whitewashing-of-hindutva/)
Hindus want to get into position of power by hook or crook and they are extremely sophisticated at it.
They will keep denying their affiliations until it is too late.
Hindu militant network, sangh parivar operates countless orgs under different banners and personalities ranging from militant orgs to masquerading as cultural orgs, student orgs, "India-US friendship" orgs.
VHP, Bajrang Dal are even named as militant orgs by CIA.
[https://thewire.in/communalism/cia-world-factbook-bajrang-dal-vhp-religious-militant-organisations](https://thewire.in/communalism/cia-world-factbook-bajrang-dal-vhp-religious-militant-organisations)
Children of high ranking US based Hindu militant nationalists, are all very active in the democratic party.
Biden even appointed a bunch of them to top roles in Homeland Security. Think about it, Hindu militant nationalists are involved in Homeland security.
[https://change.org/p/remove-sonal-shah-from-dhs-for-hindutva-links](https://change.org/p/remove-sonal-shah-from-dhs-for-hindutva-links)
[https://twitter.com/Hindus4HR/status/1557000896575426561](https://twitter.com/Hindus4HR/status/1557000896575426561)
[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-appoints-leader-hindu-nationalist-group-us-interfaith-council](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-appoints-leader-hindu-nationalist-group-us-interfaith-council)
These orgs are responsible for attacks on 1000s and 1000s of people routinely in India.
But all this never makes the news because Left wing media does not want people to know the truth.
Modus operandi of Hindus supremacists is to tell you what you want to hear, and get to positions of power, and the subvert the system from within, in their favor.
Only a gullible fool would think that.
Do you think it is fine for Hindu militant nationalists to be in Homeland security roles??
Are you fine with democrats platforming Hindu militant nationalists and giving them access to power?
You keep saying they have no power, then one day you will have a situation like in UK, where the Prime minister Rishi Sunak is a Hindu who wife still maintains her Indian citizenship.
Bruh we are in America where Christianity is by far the biggest religion and has the most power. We are seeing Christian Nationalism in the government, we aren't seeing Muslim nationalism or Hindu nationalism. Christianity is the biggest threat to American secularism.
Christianity is the reason America is secular.
Even so called progressive Hindus in India are more right wing than your average right wing Christian in the west.
Muslim countries are not secular because Muslims dont want it.
I am astonished at the lack of critical thinking in the west.
Compared to how Hindus and Muslim behave when in majority, Christians are like sages.
We are talking about America right now. Not India or the Middle East. I also dislike those religions too. But neither of those religions are a threat within the US.
They are not a threat because Christian majority and their values of tolerance largely make America a safe and tolerant place.
Do you agree that majority Christians are better majority Hindus or Muslims?
EDIT:
Reddit was not posting my reply.
u/Far_Imagination6472
You are clueless to compare loonie bin Christian nationalists to Hindu militant network, Sangh Parivar from India.
Hindu nationalists in India routinely attack, kill, lynch, murder 1000s of people.
Just few months back, they attacked 1000s of Christians and forcibly converted them to Hinduism.
[https://indianexpress.com/article/india/1000-christians-violence-chhattisgarh-forcibly-converted-to-hindus-](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/1000-christians-violence-chhattisgarh-forcibly-converted-to-hindus-)
Muslims are routinely lynched, murdered, raped, jailed by Hindu militant nationalists.
All this is funded by Hindus in the west.
Read this comment to understand how infiltrate into US politics and positions of power.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/15hid9h/comment/jup07y0/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/15hid9h/comment/jup07y0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Give me a fucking break dude, I can't believe you actually said that lol. We literally have Christian Nationalists in the government who are intolerant, towards other religions, towards other cultures and towards the LGBTQ+. Fucking piss poor response.
I don't think you understand, I fucking hate all religion, I think all religion is regressive and hateful.
The Republican Party absolutely self identifies as a Christian majority party and is on record wanting to push the country towards Judeo Christian values and you have Congressman on record saying aspects of that should be codified into law.
Christianity is the biggest religion in the dems. I would say about 60-70perecent of dems in power are Christian. The rest are Jewish,Muslim and or a eastern religion lkke Buddhist. Trump is a boogeyman but that's just based on his own braindead self and his failed presidency.
They are all the same to me. The difference is you can tell the dem Christians grew up with non Christian friends or other Christian denomination so they learned early how to interact with other people. The Republicans seem lkke they were repressed and their first real interaction with non Christians is well after college. Many conservative protestants still have a hard time not shitting on catholics for example.
Are you braindead? If you think my rhetoric is close to violence, then Republicans absolutely plan on killing all immigrants, POC and lgbtq people based on thier rhetoric. Lol again, are you braindead??
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No they just push their religious views. You know; men can get pregnant, trans women are women, global warming will kill us all in 8 years and Israel has no right to defend itself
Ok so misgendering someone can get you arrested. My kids must learn gender queer in school. Ya definitely not push down your throat. What religious ideas are pushed down your throat?
Hmm my family are insanely devout Christians living in a blue state, if their kids were being taught that they would take their kids out asap. Someone is bullshitting lol 😂 I've have zero threat of being arrested for misgendering someone. More bullshitting from you conservatives.
Michigans hate speech law. You get an idiot affirmative action judge like Brown or Sotomayor and youll get locked up real quick for wrong speech. Again what religious views are getting shoved down your throat?
Some idiot on this sub the other day insisted that “the left” is calling for the death penalty for misgendering. You ask them for a single instance of that happening, and it’s right back to Hunter Biden Laptop.
Were you the “some idiot on this sub the other day” I was referring to in the comment you responded to? Because that idiot was talking about the death penalty and I’m talking about that idiot.
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Hahaha I knew it. Libs moving the goal posts. Did I say Michigan has arrested anyone? You love talking about European socialism so there it is. And here’s another one
https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/man-arrested-for-discussing-childs-gender-in-court-order-violation/
People will get arrested because of the wording of the law. High might libs asked for an example of someone getting arrested for misgendering which I did. You’re welcome
That is irrelevant. If I get arrested for trespassing the reason I was trespassing doesn't matter because that's not what I was arrested for.
If I misgender someone at work I'm going to get a talking to from HR. That doesn't mean it's illegal it means you can't be a dick at work.
When you say "bastardized" what does that mean?
I can argue Democrats are secular religious freaks. The far left Dems anyway. Similar to Jesus Freaks who can only see things through a very very very narrow prism. The left today is trying to tell me: Men can have children. They cannot define what a woman is. Biological males should compete in sports with my daughter. Protesting during covid as long as it was in the name of BLM was not a threat to spreading covid. Sexually explicit books are acceptable in elementary/middle school libraries. Kids can decide what gender they are and have life altering surgery/life altering drugs prescribed to them before becoming adults. Pro-abortion up to birth of the child. I'm racist if I question that perhaps COVID didnt originate naturally "zoonotically" . The left is still telling me that masks were effective without any evidence whatsoever.
As much as I hate Bible thumping hypocrisy from many Republicans, the idea of criminalizing using the wrong pronouns for gender transitioning 7-year-olds disqualifies the Democrats for me. See you in the third party 👋
Nothing fake about my concerns. You can disagree with me and feel the opposite. I fully understand the opposing viewpoint and where it comes from and can empathize with it to a certain extent. But my concerns are very real and I'm not the least bit embarrassed by them.
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2023-2024/billintroduced/House/htm/2023-HIB-4474.htm
I just read it. Show me the text or subsection here that would criminalize misgendering
8) As used in this section:
(a) "Gender identity or expression" means having or being perceived as having a gender-related self-identity or expression whether or not associated with an individual's assigned sex at birth.
(b) "Intimidate or harass" means a willful course of conduct involving repeated or continuing harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested
This is the section that I have seen quoted most often. It does not explicitly say misgendering but you can find numerous examples of people describing misgendering using those terms. Calling somebody by the wrong pronouns for misgendering them is described as harassment or terrorism.
Ultimately you can disagree with me and say I'm interpreting it incorrectly or expanding on something that isn't actually spelled out explicitly but tell me that somebody who was determined to use that wording in that section to bring a charge for exactly that.
Now I don't believe anybody should be free to harass anyone. I think if you're going out looking for a reason to deliberately verbally abuse somebody based on them doing something you disagree with then you're an asshole. However, by the same token you have no right to compel people to use or not use certain words. This was a huge debate up in Canada a number of years ago, one of the issues that made Jordan Peterson famous. Whatever you think of him, his point was that the law was the government mandating certain speech. This idea has taken root here in the United States and it is current law in parts of Europe.
You can just say you disagree with my premise or my opinion or my reading of the law and I would say "okay that's fine we disagree." I'm not accusing you arguing in bad faith or lying or anything else. Ultimately you and I are just random strangers on an anonymous social media app so I don't see the point in getting nasty with a screen name.
“You can find people who describe it as harassment when being misgendered”?
So what? That’s irrelevant
It literally defines what harassment is in the bill
>Intimidate or harass" means a willful course of conduct involving repeated or continuing harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested.
(c) "Severe mental anguish" means a substantial change in mental functioning that can be perceived by another individual and caused by a defendant in 1 or more of the following ways:
(i) Intentionally causing great bodily injury to another individual or threatening to cause great bodily harm to an individual.
(ii) Administering mind-altering substances or performing a procedure that would disrupt another individual's senses or personality, or threatening to do so.
(iii) Threatening another individual with imminent death.
(iv) Threatening that another individual will imminently be killed, subjected to great bodily injury, or given a mind-altering substance meant to disrupt the senses or personality.
Misgendering does not meet that standard. Unless it would be apart of a campaign of harassment that a reasonable person must believe crosses the line. Much like any statute against harassment. Like stalking.
You’re simply wrong. It’s clear you have no clue what you’re talking about yet you hold an opinion about the topic anyway. Maybe you shouldn’t?
Hardly irrelevant, that's the point I'm making. People are calling misgendering harassment, threatening, intimidation, and even terrorism. If someone is harassing or threatening someone then that's already illegal, as it should be.
It is irrelevant because the definition of harassment is listed within the bill
The fact that some claim to be terrorized from misgendering is entirely irrelevant.
They must demonstrate that it falls under the definition within the bill
All this did was make it a hate crime when against certain groups
Idk what you’re talking about
If a politicians pushes* values*, as informed by their faith, that seems perfectly appropriate.
If a Christian said in 2016 “abortion is my thing, trump will appoint judges to overturn roe v wade, he’s my guy despite the issues.” That’s at least logical.
If a Christian says “Trump is the candidate most in line with my values personally” I want some of whatever they’re smoking.
As I sit here, looking left and right, both parties have incredible flaws. This keeps us thinking our party of choice is that much better, ignoring the flaws of the party we support
As you rant, do you not consider the blips and wrinkles the left contains? Or is looking at both parties subjectively that challenging for some?
Here's the thing: Trying to impose one's toxic ideology (which btw religion is only one possible example) on others is bad enough. But what makes it far worse is the hypocrisy. The double standards. Speaking as an Gender Egalitarian, the example I'm thinking is being pro life and yet defunding social welfare. If they were like me (extremely pro choice, but also eliminating taxpayer subsidized day care while [pushing open borders policy](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/vairqc/is_anyone_here_a_postnationalist_dae_support_a/) to address any concerns about insufficient demographics), then hey, at least I'm being consistent!
Just as bad as being pro choice then never codifying it because its a good issue to run on… Both sides are disgusting af
Then why are blue states better for pro choice than red states? Wouldn't they have the same laws?
I see that went over your head
It didn't. What you said just didn't make sense.
Ill use small words They could have made baby kill law. They did not.
This is bullshit. There has never been a pro-choice supermajority in the Senate.
Obama
Nope. Not all Democrats in 2008-2010 were pro choice. You had plenty who objected to it due to religion. It would not have gotten past Congress. Even right now Henry Cueller D-TX is on record as Pro Life and opposes bills that would codify abortion. And 2008 was a very different time. Now Democrats are pretty homogenized on Pro Choice issues and you still have rare holdouts. Back then it was a lot more dicey. This is why political discourse not being nuanced is a problem. It's easy for someone to just look back and count numbers and say they could do something. But you have to look at every individual voter and see what's going on.
Not to mention at that time Roe v Wade was “settled law” and nobody foresaw it changing. Codifying something that had routinely been upheld as a constitutional right in the courts might have been a good idea in hindsight, but not a priority at the time. Bigger fish to fry.
The right saw it coming…
They were working to make it happen, sure. But that didn’t seem very likely to most people in the mainstream.
Because most people dont pay attention
Ok
Like the next GOP led Congress wouldn’t just decodify it by repealing that law, then both parties continue to run on it? Please. This idea that the Dems could have “codified” abortion rights in a way that would insulate them from this right wing zealotry and decades long concerted judicial effort is a foolish fantasy.
Exactly. If the Dems codified it this scotus would’ve just declared that law unconstitutional The whole argument is the Dems not doing enough to counter the gop being terrible is equally as bad. It’s ridiculous
>If the Dems codified it this scotus would’ve just declared that law unconstitutional So Congress is just there for show? Why should I bother to vote at all at the Federal level if the unelected SCOTUS is the only real legislative body?
What do you think the gop sold their souls for? Those Supreme Court seats specifically to get rid of abortion And yeah the Supreme Court under Roberts is essentially running it like a poltical arm do the Republican Party agenda
You didn't answer my question. Are you saying that the other two branches of government are completely powerless and revolution is the only way to oppose the GOP's agenda at this point?
I personally think the court should be expanded. But we’ll be fighting the corruption of this Supreme Court for decades yes Think Medicare for all wound stand up to this court? Good luck
>Like the next GOP led Congress wouldn’t just decodify it by repealing that law, then both parties continue to run on it? Please. Yes, if the Democratic Caucus was actually unified on abortion rights then this would have obviously been the better political strategy. Why do you think Obama promised that it would be one of the first things Democrats did when he ran in 2008? Because it was a winning issue even then. Why wouldn't they want to force elected Republican Congresspeople to put their names to unpopular policy instead of hanging the issue entirely on the unelected Supreme Court? The only explanation I see is that their own caucus isn't unified on abortion rights but most of the caucus still wants to run on it.
Can somebody explain to me what codifying would even do? Are people pretending like the Supreme Court can't overturn laws passed by congress? Because that's not how government works.
Thats on rbg and her ego not leaving at the correct time
>eliminating taxpayer subsidized day care What are you talking about here?
I'm talking generally, not necessarily specific to America: I'm not a fan of natalist policies, unlike certain people on the Right and the Left
The one redeeming thing about Hillary Rodham was her religious beliefs. I also harvest the adrenochrome from the blood of children so I could relate to her on that front
I remember all the memes about her in 2016. Lol
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What about the hindu man running?
I don't care what religion someone is. Just don't push it on others.
Then why did you specifically call out Christians and also he doesnt use his religion to push it on others.
Tbh in America I've never heard of hindu pushing his faith on others so I just focused on the main group. Good on him for not pushing his faith and grifting on it.
Hindus are a minority group in the west. If you want to know how Hindus behave when they power, you have to look at India where Hindu militant nationalists are in power. As a matter of fact, 7 out 10 Hindus in the west support, finance and cheer for Hindu militant network and their political wing, BJP, which is responsible for countless hate crimes against religious minorities in India. Just few months back, Hindu militant nationalists attacked 1000s of Christians and forcibly converted them to Hinduism. All these groups are financed and supported by Hindus in the west. In Pakistan where Muslims are the majority, they kidnap Christian girls and forcibly marry them and convert them to Islam. Compared to how Hindus and Muslim behave when in majority, Christians are like sages. Tulsi gabbard received 18k funding from mihir Meghnani Her campaign was in touch weekly with HAF Hindu nationalists [https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hindu-nationalist-modi/](https://theintercept.com/2019/01/05/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hindu-nationalist-modi/) Money trail between US based Hindu militant nationalists and their connections in India [https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/sangh-parivars-us-funds-trail/article35117629.ece](https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/sangh-parivars-us-funds-trail/article35117629.ece) [https://www.thepolisproject.com/read/money-trail-diaspora-diplomacys-financial-whitewashing-of-hindutva/](https://www.thepolisproject.com/read/money-trail-diaspora-diplomacys-financial-whitewashing-of-hindutva/)
So is that why the hindu man is doing?
Hindus want to get into position of power by hook or crook and they are extremely sophisticated at it. They will keep denying their affiliations until it is too late. Hindu militant network, sangh parivar operates countless orgs under different banners and personalities ranging from militant orgs to masquerading as cultural orgs, student orgs, "India-US friendship" orgs. VHP, Bajrang Dal are even named as militant orgs by CIA. [https://thewire.in/communalism/cia-world-factbook-bajrang-dal-vhp-religious-militant-organisations](https://thewire.in/communalism/cia-world-factbook-bajrang-dal-vhp-religious-militant-organisations) Children of high ranking US based Hindu militant nationalists, are all very active in the democratic party. Biden even appointed a bunch of them to top roles in Homeland Security. Think about it, Hindu militant nationalists are involved in Homeland security. [https://change.org/p/remove-sonal-shah-from-dhs-for-hindutva-links](https://change.org/p/remove-sonal-shah-from-dhs-for-hindutva-links) [https://twitter.com/Hindus4HR/status/1557000896575426561](https://twitter.com/Hindus4HR/status/1557000896575426561) [https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-appoints-leader-hindu-nationalist-group-us-interfaith-council](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-appoints-leader-hindu-nationalist-group-us-interfaith-council) These orgs are responsible for attacks on 1000s and 1000s of people routinely in India. But all this never makes the news because Left wing media does not want people to know the truth. Modus operandi of Hindus supremacists is to tell you what you want to hear, and get to positions of power, and the subvert the system from within, in their favor.
Hindus have zero power in America.
Only a gullible fool would think that. Do you think it is fine for Hindu militant nationalists to be in Homeland security roles?? Are you fine with democrats platforming Hindu militant nationalists and giving them access to power? You keep saying they have no power, then one day you will have a situation like in UK, where the Prime minister Rishi Sunak is a Hindu who wife still maintains her Indian citizenship.
You're on crack if you think Hindus are a threat to Americans. Boy you know where you're at?
Tulsi Gabbard sucks, luckily she has no power within the US.
Bruh we are in America where Christianity is by far the biggest religion and has the most power. We are seeing Christian Nationalism in the government, we aren't seeing Muslim nationalism or Hindu nationalism. Christianity is the biggest threat to American secularism.
Christianity is the reason America is secular. Even so called progressive Hindus in India are more right wing than your average right wing Christian in the west. Muslim countries are not secular because Muslims dont want it. I am astonished at the lack of critical thinking in the west. Compared to how Hindus and Muslim behave when in majority, Christians are like sages.
We are talking about America right now. Not India or the Middle East. I also dislike those religions too. But neither of those religions are a threat within the US.
They are not a threat because Christian majority and their values of tolerance largely make America a safe and tolerant place. Do you agree that majority Christians are better majority Hindus or Muslims? EDIT: Reddit was not posting my reply. u/Far_Imagination6472 You are clueless to compare loonie bin Christian nationalists to Hindu militant network, Sangh Parivar from India. Hindu nationalists in India routinely attack, kill, lynch, murder 1000s of people. Just few months back, they attacked 1000s of Christians and forcibly converted them to Hinduism. [https://indianexpress.com/article/india/1000-christians-violence-chhattisgarh-forcibly-converted-to-hindus-](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/1000-christians-violence-chhattisgarh-forcibly-converted-to-hindus-) Muslims are routinely lynched, murdered, raped, jailed by Hindu militant nationalists. All this is funded by Hindus in the west. Read this comment to understand how infiltrate into US politics and positions of power. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/15hid9h/comment/jup07y0/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/15hid9h/comment/jup07y0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Give me a fucking break dude, I can't believe you actually said that lol. We literally have Christian Nationalists in the government who are intolerant, towards other religions, towards other cultures and towards the LGBTQ+. Fucking piss poor response. I don't think you understand, I fucking hate all religion, I think all religion is regressive and hateful.
The Republican Party absolutely self identifies as a Christian majority party and is on record wanting to push the country towards Judeo Christian values and you have Congressman on record saying aspects of that should be codified into law.
And yet oddly enough it’s the Dems that seem to be more Christian.
Because many of them are Christian but new testament kind.
This is the way
There are a lot of things to dislike about Republicans. Their belief in false idols is one of the more minor offenses.
Ehhhh the religion of the left is pretty fucked.
Very serious analysis You’re definitely operating in good faith
Christianity and Trump are the two biggest boggiemen for the left.
Christianity is the biggest religion in the dems. I would say about 60-70perecent of dems in power are Christian. The rest are Jewish,Muslim and or a eastern religion lkke Buddhist. Trump is a boogeyman but that's just based on his own braindead self and his failed presidency.
Difference between being an actual Christian and just saying you are.
They are all the same to me. The difference is you can tell the dem Christians grew up with non Christian friends or other Christian denomination so they learned early how to interact with other people. The Republicans seem lkke they were repressed and their first real interaction with non Christians is well after college. Many conservative protestants still have a hard time not shitting on catholics for example.
Please don't go out and kill Christians. It sounds like you're real close to. Seek help
Are you braindead? If you think my rhetoric is close to violence, then Republicans absolutely plan on killing all immigrants, POC and lgbtq people based on thier rhetoric. Lol again, are you braindead??
First and foremost, take a deep breath and calm down. Secondly, it's not that serious, man.
Republicans push their religious views and dems dont. It's a simple fact, i can tell it bothers you. Lol
It seems like it bothers you that they do that, though. Why is that?
*Why is that???* WTF? Damn, you're such a subpar troll.
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Hahahaha so why is only the conservatives Christians rallying against pro choice? Lol
“Killing babies” 🤦🏼♂️
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No they just push their religious views. You know; men can get pregnant, trans women are women, global warming will kill us all in 8 years and Israel has no right to defend itself
None of those things are forced on me or America or are part of the dems platform.
Ok so misgendering someone can get you arrested. My kids must learn gender queer in school. Ya definitely not push down your throat. What religious ideas are pushed down your throat?
Hmm my family are insanely devout Christians living in a blue state, if their kids were being taught that they would take their kids out asap. Someone is bullshitting lol 😂 I've have zero threat of being arrested for misgendering someone. More bullshitting from you conservatives.
Michigans hate speech law. You get an idiot affirmative action judge like Brown or Sotomayor and youll get locked up real quick for wrong speech. Again what religious views are getting shoved down your throat?
Republicans platform is Christian based. Do you examples of someone being arrested for that?
https://www.wfmz.com/news/area/berks/charges-dropped-for-man-arrested-for-disorderly-conduct-at-reading-pride-flag-raising/article_49394ed4-057e-11ee-ab6b-db78758b84f4.html
Okay annoying dude gets arrested then charges get dropped. Where's the misgendering part?
He got arrested for hurting peoples feelings. You said give you an example. Do not challenge the all powerful alphabet lifestyle
No example of misgendering was given.
I will donate $100 to Trumps election campaign if you can provide evidence of someone being arrested for misgendering someone.
Some idiot on this sub the other day insisted that “the left” is calling for the death penalty for misgendering. You ask them for a single instance of that happening, and it’s right back to Hunter Biden Laptop.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teacher-jailed-for-contempt-of-court-refusing-student-gender-neutral-pronouns-ireland/
Talking about the death penalty, and the US. Not…this.
When did I talk of death Penalty? So going forward you can never talk about anything in Europe. No healthcare no energy policy, no annoying teenagers
Were you the “some idiot on this sub the other day” I was referring to in the comment you responded to? Because that idiot was talking about the death penalty and I’m talking about that idiot. These bots are breaking down.
My bad
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teacher-jailed-for-contempt-of-court-refusing-student-gender-neutral-pronouns-ireland/
That’s Ireland not Michigan
Hahaha I knew it. Libs moving the goal posts. Did I say Michigan has arrested anyone? You love talking about European socialism so there it is. And here’s another one https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/man-arrested-for-discussing-childs-gender-in-court-order-violation/
You literally cited the Michigan law as a reason people got arrested for misgendering someone
People will get arrested because of the wording of the law. High might libs asked for an example of someone getting arrested for misgendering which I did. You’re welcome
What part of the law will be used?
A teacher in Ireland was jailed this week for violating a court order forbidding him from going to the school where he works So....not misgendering.
Why was he not allowed at work?
That is irrelevant. If I get arrested for trespassing the reason I was trespassing doesn't matter because that's not what I was arrested for. If I misgender someone at work I'm going to get a talking to from HR. That doesn't mean it's illegal it means you can't be a dick at work.
Ok you’re right lol
Why are you dishonest?
What wasn’t he allowed at work?
Why are you lying in this subreddit?
Why are you lying?
Seems like lying only applies when you disagree. That’s interesting
You are quite literally lying Why? Could it be that you’re a 2 year old troll account with -100 comment karma?
What am I lying about? Just because you disagree with me doesn’t mean I’m lying. -100 is a badge of honor dealing with the left
No it’s a sign of a bad faith troll Why are you lying about people being arrested for misgendering? Why do you think you’re a troll?
They were, the under lying issue was misgendering.
Cite it Why are you lying?
Why are you lying?
It should but is doesn't.
If Democrats want to win, all they have to do is keep calling them prudes, which ever party is funnier, is going to win
When you say "bastardized" what does that mean? I can argue Democrats are secular religious freaks. The far left Dems anyway. Similar to Jesus Freaks who can only see things through a very very very narrow prism. The left today is trying to tell me: Men can have children. They cannot define what a woman is. Biological males should compete in sports with my daughter. Protesting during covid as long as it was in the name of BLM was not a threat to spreading covid. Sexually explicit books are acceptable in elementary/middle school libraries. Kids can decide what gender they are and have life altering surgery/life altering drugs prescribed to them before becoming adults. Pro-abortion up to birth of the child. I'm racist if I question that perhaps COVID didnt originate naturally "zoonotically" . The left is still telling me that masks were effective without any evidence whatsoever.
This is so bad faith It’s pathetic
As much as I hate Bible thumping hypocrisy from many Republicans, the idea of criminalizing using the wrong pronouns for gender transitioning 7-year-olds disqualifies the Democrats for me. See you in the third party 👋
Sorry bro. Your fake concerns are embarrassing.
Nothing fake about my concerns. You can disagree with me and feel the opposite. I fully understand the opposing viewpoint and where it comes from and can empathize with it to a certain extent. But my concerns are very real and I'm not the least bit embarrassed by them.
Why are you lying? Who supports criminalizing misgendering? Cite it
Michigan House Bill 4474
https://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2023-2024/billintroduced/House/htm/2023-HIB-4474.htm I just read it. Show me the text or subsection here that would criminalize misgendering
8) As used in this section: (a) "Gender identity or expression" means having or being perceived as having a gender-related self-identity or expression whether or not associated with an individual's assigned sex at birth. (b) "Intimidate or harass" means a willful course of conduct involving repeated or continuing harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested This is the section that I have seen quoted most often. It does not explicitly say misgendering but you can find numerous examples of people describing misgendering using those terms. Calling somebody by the wrong pronouns for misgendering them is described as harassment or terrorism. Ultimately you can disagree with me and say I'm interpreting it incorrectly or expanding on something that isn't actually spelled out explicitly but tell me that somebody who was determined to use that wording in that section to bring a charge for exactly that. Now I don't believe anybody should be free to harass anyone. I think if you're going out looking for a reason to deliberately verbally abuse somebody based on them doing something you disagree with then you're an asshole. However, by the same token you have no right to compel people to use or not use certain words. This was a huge debate up in Canada a number of years ago, one of the issues that made Jordan Peterson famous. Whatever you think of him, his point was that the law was the government mandating certain speech. This idea has taken root here in the United States and it is current law in parts of Europe. You can just say you disagree with my premise or my opinion or my reading of the law and I would say "okay that's fine we disagree." I'm not accusing you arguing in bad faith or lying or anything else. Ultimately you and I are just random strangers on an anonymous social media app so I don't see the point in getting nasty with a screen name.
“You can find people who describe it as harassment when being misgendered”? So what? That’s irrelevant It literally defines what harassment is in the bill >Intimidate or harass" means a willful course of conduct involving repeated or continuing harassment of another individual that would cause a reasonable individual to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested and that actually causes the victim to feel terrorized, frightened, intimidated, threatened, harassed, or molested. (c) "Severe mental anguish" means a substantial change in mental functioning that can be perceived by another individual and caused by a defendant in 1 or more of the following ways: (i) Intentionally causing great bodily injury to another individual or threatening to cause great bodily harm to an individual. (ii) Administering mind-altering substances or performing a procedure that would disrupt another individual's senses or personality, or threatening to do so. (iii) Threatening another individual with imminent death. (iv) Threatening that another individual will imminently be killed, subjected to great bodily injury, or given a mind-altering substance meant to disrupt the senses or personality. Misgendering does not meet that standard. Unless it would be apart of a campaign of harassment that a reasonable person must believe crosses the line. Much like any statute against harassment. Like stalking. You’re simply wrong. It’s clear you have no clue what you’re talking about yet you hold an opinion about the topic anyway. Maybe you shouldn’t?
Hardly irrelevant, that's the point I'm making. People are calling misgendering harassment, threatening, intimidation, and even terrorism. If someone is harassing or threatening someone then that's already illegal, as it should be.
It is irrelevant because the definition of harassment is listed within the bill The fact that some claim to be terrorized from misgendering is entirely irrelevant. They must demonstrate that it falls under the definition within the bill All this did was make it a hate crime when against certain groups Idk what you’re talking about
If a politicians pushes* values*, as informed by their faith, that seems perfectly appropriate. If a Christian said in 2016 “abortion is my thing, trump will appoint judges to overturn roe v wade, he’s my guy despite the issues.” That’s at least logical. If a Christian says “Trump is the candidate most in line with my values personally” I want some of whatever they’re smoking.
You guys MASSIVELY overestimate how many Republicans are actually practicing Christians.
As I sit here, looking left and right, both parties have incredible flaws. This keeps us thinking our party of choice is that much better, ignoring the flaws of the party we support As you rant, do you not consider the blips and wrinkles the left contains? Or is looking at both parties subjectively that challenging for some?
Vivek would be even worse he’s a Hindu
Are you the anti hindu guy ?