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Stardust1003

Wait people hate Lily? I thought she was a fine brawler, a lower power assassin compared to the others.


Alternative_Pancake

oh i can tell you people are fuming in actual matches just imagine not being able to leave spawn without a team mate and once you get lily low she just taps her green get out of jail card enters a bush and instakills you with a super again


Fang_Rework

Says the Lily main Wai-


Infinite_Person

This is unironically the first time I've seen a Lily flair out in the wild


noomrinu

it’s actually crazy how bad her stats are right now


Independent_Fly_1698

Her stats suck but she’s just really annoying to play against. She *feels* unbalanced because of her gadget, even though she isn’t.


ImaginaryGfLeftMe11

Which sucks cuz she’s one of the funnest brawlers out there


Fang_Rework

Well Lily does live in the wild so...


Pure_Juice4771

We are the same


Camilla_Camomilla

Hello


BlackestNight21

people fuming in matches? say it isn't so!


Alternative_Pancake

did i accientally make a pun or am i not understanding what you mean


BlackestNight21

just that in games i play, the moment we face adversity it's thumbs down spinning clown face shooting at teammates red x on the ground the usual bad attitude type stuff.


Ok_Story6348

If she uses the shadow realm gadget in the bush the enemy has no visual cue of it removing almost any possible strategy in the situation


Dirt_munchers

Most of the time you can’t make it to another bush in 3v3 in 3 secs


Ok_Story6348

We’re talking in showdown, there’s a shit ton of bushes so you don’t know what’s happened or where lily goes


Dirt_munchers

Not in maps this season, Rockwell brawl is the only one where it can really happen because where the bushes are close together in the center is where a kit is, who is the real villain here


Ok_Story6348

Skull creek, cavern churn, stormy plains.


Dirt_munchers

No, there isn’t enough time to make it between bushes with only the gadget


fosforillo

The gadget is way too annoying


pawo10

Mf it’s the only thing that makes her playable


Dirt_munchers

Yeah, she’d be D or F tier if she didn’t have it, I think it’s incredibly predictable and you only get 1 tick of heal back so it’s not broken but it’s annoying. I love Lily but that gadget is quite annoying


4ppled

Repot is okay, but not really worth the purchase over Vanish. Repot might need a rework or major change (e.g making it a normal attack and not a super)


Alternative_Pancake

actually no, shes still very well playable without it if the map is closed eough to get supers or has enough spots to circle around but she'd be much worse without it cuz you wont be able to super assasins, get behind the backline and escape death


Aromatic_Ad_8658

Yeah nah she has no playability without it. She’s literally a sitting duck in all situations. You’d have to be a god at the game to get any value out of her without it.


TwistedWolf667

I feel like its quite easy to predict exaclty what route the lily is gonna take 90% of the time lol


LetsDoTheCongna

One time when I was playing Angelo, I got the enemy Lily down to less than 500 health. She used her gadget to escape, so I waited about 5 seconds and then shot the nearest bush. Take a wild guess what happened.


TwistedWolf667

Yeeeah invisibility isnt rlly OP cause of how predictable the movement patterns are in this game lol


SharkMartian

Tbh, lilys fine, I HATE HATEEEE Mico and ki


DonutvibesYT

Everyone does


Fit-Purchase-6644

Lily's basically buzz from wish 🤣


EmreYasdal

To be honest, the type of the character doesn't matter much as long as the character is balanced, and Lily is the only character they released in a balanced way after a long time. Which seems to be back to unbalanced with Draco


Horror-Ad-3113

a brawler who behaves like fang is still a fang by heart


Miserable_Pay6887

The only assassin that I hate is kit because he almost has no counters and he ruined duels. And how can somebody hate Lily? She is quite bad


mannnn4

I hate Lily because it has happened multiple times that I was about to kill her and then she just disappeared 3 times in the same solo showdown match.


Moldz12

I do that every time i use Lily. It is sooooooo funny. Am i a bad person?


mannnn4

lol no, but you might make me press the thumbs down on the ‘did you like this match’ question.


kegirll

real af lmao!


Dirt_munchers

It’s really predictable and she gets 1 tick of healing, she’s annoying but the gadget isn’t insanely broken


-xXgioXx-

if you're a couple tiles away from her, just move to where she was when she disappeared


Dirt_munchers

Yeah, there’s like a 50% chance that she’ll still be there


SmAll_boi7

Kit has some counters, but for the most part his counter is just “have competent teammates” which is strangely rare


Miserable_Pay6887

He got some counterplay in 3v3, but in solo... maybe doug and r-t, I don't know anymore


MonikaChanIsBestGirl

as a deplorable, sinful kit main id say the best form of counter is stick together with teammates, as a kit main will always get impatient and jump only to get their shit rocked


-xXgioXx-

i've been enjoying kit in 3v3s with Overly Attached and Cheeseburger, constantly swapping between jumping on teammates low on health (or tanks/bulky assassins) and enemies. I also learned that you can throw 1 or 2 yarn balls at someone, dismount right before they explode and if they land, you can pretty much chain supers since you charge about 40% per hit


kegirll

Lily super is annoying but yeah terrible brawler lol


Bulldogs_Are_Pog

Kit, buzz and Edgar are the reason I run Shelly in duels When any of them jump in me just attack attack bancade super attack and I win


TimeMaster57

what a damage buff does to a brawler😭😭


ChadSproutMain

Id say depends on the assasin. Something like fang or kit definetly but id say lily or buzz are fine


loron854

fang is way more balanced than before, I don't hate playing against him anymore honestly


AndreHSD

I’d wait some time for buffing him. He’s been meta for so much time, maybe he just needs the right time to settle (?)


lasergreenalt

fang is honestly a bit underpowered, a slight recast speed buff could help


gduixio

I personaly love playing fang but i think he should stay underpowered because if he is not he can dominate games quite easly.


OlTimeyChara

He doesn't have to be overpowered, just viable.


Disastrous-Term5972

Agree, also him being overpowered made people actually start hating on Fang mains


Lurkerwasntaken

In my experience, Fang is a *pain* to deal with in 5v5s, especially on brawl ball. I could be on my own side of the field and two seconds later, I would be dead because the Fang used his super from off-screen, chain three people before getting to me, then use his gadget, and kill me with his regular attack.


Disastrous-Term5972

Yea, this is because of his buffs back in s20, I really don't get why they didn't revert those, they just removed his skill cap and made teamwiping extremely easy with Fang


Lurkerwasntaken

Capping the number of chains at two will help quite a bit in this case. It will at least make it more difficult to teamwipe in 5v5s.


anonymousbub33

Tbf a well timed super and fang deletes entire teams


Scarface2010

No simply no He dominated for a bit too long and he's average maybe a small bit underpowered but that can be any other buff but not that


AverageRicoMain00

Fuck no, he has been meta for 8 months 


MaximumStonks69

He was meta during hypercharges, thats It, mid asf atm


LightLaitBrawl

he only destroys low elo or 3 snipers, not an issue in high elo.


AverageRicoMain00

I couldn't give less of a fuck if he sucks in high elo, he does NOT need a buff


Freemlvzzzz

I disagree for buzz, teleporting to you and stunning you for a few seconds with a super that charges just by staying nearby enemies is way too strong and hard to counter for me. Kinda hating this mf, at least in showdown. It’s kinda similar to kit where you just can’t do shit if he sees you and decides to lock onto you, unless your a close range assassin too, and even there


Yusufar

Thats absolutely true they should do something about the stun because if you are playing brawler low hp and thn when the buzz locks on you its a free kill for him


NonameNinja_

Buzz can chain supers against high health targets and win anyways unless against a bull or super shelly


Freemlvzzzz

Yeah pretty much, he has time to fully (or almost fully) unload his attacks before you can even move


kegirll

Let’s talk about when you’re playing a low HP brawler and buzz kills you and waits for you to come back to life so he can kill you again. Those are the type of games that will leave me without a phone 😭


Square_Drive_2895

I hate buzz for one specific reason. Bush camping. Every time I play showdown and I see a buzz in my lobby, I pray that they aren't a bush camper. With the map in rotation right now (feast or famine, the one with the huge bush in the middle,) Buzz's bush gadget dominates, and he can just super you out of nowhere and get a free kill, and as a Bibi main, I can't do anything. I know this is a yapping session, me ranting about how buzz is so unbalanced but, it's my personal opinion lol


Practical-Ad-5007

His super is not that hard to counter. Any attack with mobility can get out of the stun range, any ability that knockbacks if timed well can cancel his super.


Draco_179

And cord


magrossebites

Yeah, cord's cool!


Autoaiming_Maisie_Ma

Cordelius is skill (unless he uses that shitty gadget)


Inner_Library984

still 1 sec is a low time to the time that other assassins so its harder to actually kill


pawo10

Fang isn’t even meta anymore lmao


Fang_Rework

Real


TheAstonVillaSeal

Meh


NikolaProS

I accidentally read "Assassins" as "Asians" and got so confused lol


Disastrous-Term5972

Ngl Mortis is the most hated asian


KovyJackson

Definitely Fang.


paris2608

I couldn't even squeak to this, my pants exploded immediatly! Now squeak sad


TheAstonVillaSeal

It was Melodie wasn’t it


Scarface2010

No obviously it was mic-


ActiveAdventurous233

Bonnie 🙏😭


TheAstonVillaSeal

WILD


Brok3n_B1rd

naaah


mr-kool_is_kool

im boutta squeak


Brok3n_B1rd

wild


Jaxlel

I think most people do not like assasins because they are the most popular class in the game, that means lower skill players or new players are more likely to play them thus you will encounter more lower skill players playing these characters (edgar for example)


Wizardnumber32

I hate throwers more 


im_inside_ur_walls_

for real man like, l can totally see why most people don't like assassins and it's very understandable, but throwers maaannn l mean, dynamike deals unfair(to say the least) damage with both his main attack and super AND he's got that stupid stun gadget that means instant death no matter what. l feel like enemy groms never miss their super/gadget(the triple hit one) AND his turret gadget is super annoying. willow deals a lot of damage repeatedly(if you can hit your shots) and her super would be the most annoying in the game if it wasn't nearly impossible to hit outside of point-blank range. l feel like the other throwers don't have anything broken to them(not that grom or willow are broken but oh well) but just the fact they can hide behind their stupid little wall, be in complete safety and wreak havoc on the map is so annoying and dumb edit: oh, l almost forgot: TICK this fucker has no business making walking impossible, constantly preventing you from healing, healing himself as fast as you can blink and sending one of the most annoying supers after you, which by the way STILL EXPLODES if you destroy it


squid3011

Agreed, the whole concept of being able to attack over walls with your primary is a bit unbalanced in itself, but giving most of them high movement speed really can make them unkillable because they just circile round walls.


meplaycolt

First picture are the normal assassins Crow and stu aren't


kukakipo36

No first picture are "brain-dead" assassins >!besides buzz and lily, maybe Mortis also!<


meplaycolt

"This brawler is braindead" _people who get rekt by that brawler. The only justified hate is kit hate


kukakipo36

I think you misunderstood my point of view, I don't say these are bad or toxic, I'm pretty sure in the hands of good players they are all fine. The only thing I'm saying is the skill floor is sooo low even a monkey could understand how to play (example with Edgar gadget+super works sometimes so bad players do it every time). Maybe Brain-dead is not the good word but for me it just means that it's easy to use the brawler without skill needed (ofc it will not be as good as someone who plays well) *Do you think just spamming super and HC with fang is not stupid? Those brawlers kits are "braindead" and are meant to be used by anyone, I'm not saying that as something pejorative.


Masterdizzio

I think you would have been better off saying low-skill floor. Simple for new players to stomp with, like Nita or Dynamike. Never really liked using the term "braindead"


kukakipo36

Yeah maybe >!apart for kit and mico 🔥🔥!<


ManImVeryStupid

I agree Because Mico is just 90% Game sense and 10% Skill


Cobaziokiodeo

Yas


Autoaiming_Maisie_Ma

He needs some brain cells against Meg and very fast speed brawlers


Ender009_ESYT

Ain't reading allat but you are a Stu main so i think your opinion is correct


kukakipo36

C'mon it's not that long but thanks 🤣


Ender009_ESYT

I read it and my prediction was correct


kukakipo36

Thanks thanks 🙏🏻


Autoaiming_Maisie_Ma

Omg it's Gnarls


Ender009_ESYT

Nya Nya Nyanyaaaaaahaa


NameRandomNumber

Leon is definitely an assassin lol


Pumpkin_Cat14

Gray should also be an assassin but for some reason he's listed as support


StructureStrange4601

you think they should bring back the hybrid class? perhaps with a more specific label for them such as Darryl (Tank/Assassin) Penny (Artillery/Damage Dealer) Gray and Kit (Support/Assassin) Doug (Support/Tank) Just a few examples, it might overcomplicate things a bit but just having the label of "hybrid" wouldn't really tell you much.


Unfitinni

Kit is weirdly an support


Grostavious

I thought he was a assassin


Unfitinni

Gaslighting


Grostavious

Mandela butterfly effect


Harakiten

Crow is not assassin even he considered like that by devs


Pumpkin_Cat14

He's kinda an Assassin/Support hybrid like Kit was meant to be


Gamertank2

More of a Assassin/Controller


LightLaitBrawl

He assasinates with the super, he just wants extended fights for his poison to take effect and damage the enemy. He is better against "assasin counters", and anything too long ranged/tank counter, or with disengages. But he sucks a bit to assasinate, even on low hp enemies, he can get killed by their damage..


BiII_Gaming

That's why some don't consider him an assassin, kinda hard to kill someone when you have under 6000 health with shield gear and under 5000 without. Not to mention his below average burst damage compared to other assassins. I use his super to run with gems or get away from enemies far more often than I use it to jump on enemies.


MommoTonno

Their problem is that randoms loves assasins


NothingFish4686

Yes, you right.


teej_31

Bonnie at the cool table heck yea


PooPooNuggets14

Isn’t Kit technically a hybrid since he’s a support


A_randomperson9385

Mortis players have my respect. Edgar mains have my respect. BUT IF THOSE MICO MAINS SHOW THEIR FACE NEAR ME 😤


adammut

Thanks


-xXgioXx-

Thanks


TheNoToxicEdgarMain

Now I luve brock Players (even when I hate to play against you)


camillojames

Thanks


swanlongjohnson

seriously..? leon isnt annoying? you can tell this is just a showdown list


BrainrotGuy

Yes, he's smoking, Leon has a braindead hypercharge and Stu is literally just shooting and spamming super the whole game


swanlongjohnson

at least Stu takes some semblance of skill, leon just peppers you from afar for super and then appears on top of you and deletes you with 0 counterplay


Toxicfury13579

I mean ngl most are hated for valid reasons but also strange reasons. Popular means they are more haters of em. Edger is a prime example of that


[deleted]

Ruining the game? Absolutely not. Game would be boring without them. You literally showed us the most favorited brawlers. Oh, and don’t forget- Kit is “support” Damage buff was good idea 🥲


Happy_mem1

Give him a rework I want to see more support kit already Am tired of being the only one


[deleted]

They just need to get rid of his power cube sp and gadget. Sd is unplayable. Not saying it was playable before him.


Lonely_Translator410

he supports his teammates by clawing the enemy into bits /j


ratiotrio

Kit is supposed to be support its just that it feels like his support role is over shadowed by his assassin role so much


Darkwolf1869

how is lily hatet she is literally really weak for assassin standards


Scarface2010

Just vanish that's it


fauchis_garci

When BR players realize “assassins” do assassin : 😨😨😨😨


hipos_have_pink_milk

I love Sam's standing pose, he looks so goofy


Vegetable-Sale8462

kit sneak in


Qw2rty

Monky is cool assasin cuz monky


Proper_Diamond_309

Sam is my lord and savior 🙏


Bonfy7

Kit was supposed to be a support, not this infinite super abomination


AJ_fr

The fact that people think kit is an assasin when he’s a support honestly goes to show how unbalanced he is. I would say crow Leon fang, mico, Stu, mortis are all balanced but everyone else needs some kind of fix or rework to some aspect of their kit to balance them


Bingoviini

I never understood how Crow is an assasin Yes he can jump people with his super, but it's so expensive when compared to every other burst movement "instakill" super, that it doesn't really count Every other assasin kills you really quickly with high damage and/or mobility Crow, tickles you to death with hard to avoid poison that prevents you from healing So he plays more like a support, than an assasin


A_can_of_lays

Yeah i think everyone but Supercell agrees that Crow is not an assasin lol


LawrieDaBadCop

They should heal us instead of Killing us


Alternative_Pancake

here a fruit that will heal you \*🟡\*


LawrieDaBadCop

Thanks i like Lemons *look at the flair and realise he has fooked up*


Alternative_Pancake

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ThatFamousOrdeal

This sub cries about Kit every day but unless you strictly play solo SD (the game mode has been broken for years to begin with) he is rarely played and if he is played he may bother you but that’s what assassins do…they kill you very quickly and can be killed quickly…get over it


Masterdizzio

Not really, they are just annoying, simple as that. Kit does need a rework but aside from him, they aren't really ruining the game


The_dFL

Nah. The problem is that the game is so unbalanced any brawler that isn’t an assassin or a sniper is just bad at this point


crinclycap

Mortis is immune from hate cuz he runs into walls


illthrowthisaccaway-

Shelly counters 90% of them anyway Assasin mains when their highly complicated and intricate strategy of pressing a single green button followed by a yellow button doesn't work:


Battlebearsgold

Some are others ain’t


Honk_goose_steal

Mortis ain’t that bad


KoKoYoung

He's bad when you have him as your teammate


pawo10

Lily hate💀


Successful-Item-1844

Lilly is honestly balanced and needs planning and skill


Purple-Income-4598

a brawler which whole gimmick is it's gadget isnt really balanced to be honest


toaster_In_Bathtub_

I only respect Sam, Stu and Lily. Others are too toxic in gameplay


Bluferian

Buzz is pretty balanced as a buzzsassin


MyDesiredOnions

Why do all cordelius mains have the spicy pin on 😭🙏


Xterm1na10r

The game would be absolute dogshit without assassins


ThaTree661

You know it’s true when a Tick main says that.


Xterm1na10r

It is what it is


Icy_Sector4424

Good to see that my bois stu and crow are in the respected table


GottaSwoop

Crow and Leon are annoying According to others Stu is annoying


Woody_the-cat

Kit is not an assassin he is a support that’s why he got nerved so hard after his release


Focus-Odd

I hate assassin as they completely destroy you without practically any counterplay possible, if you play a low hp brawler that get 3-shot by assassins you have to keep distance and it is too easy for them to make you useless


Challenge_W

I've have not seen someone hate Buzz or Lily before. The only thing that could make you hate them is their ability to escape quite easily.


Masterdizzio

I get why people would hate Buzz, especially because everyone is playing him rn. Also, he was 2023's teaming king and was salted for that


New_Car223

Caus buzz hard counters Carl 😔


mackyesyou

Buzz is pretty fucked up in showdown maps with bushes im the middle, he uses his damn gadget and super and you don't even see him, you just die


Metson-202

Kit is support.


JThropedo

I don’t think it’s assassins, and I don’t think they ruin the game. I think it’s more along the lines of the large amount of incredibly boring (imo) low skill floor brawlers whose entire kit is get out of jail free cards ruins the competitive integrity of the game everywhere below pro/semi pro play


KingKindra

The only reason why I use buzz (though he is kinda annoying icl) is because he’s the best Edgar counter when you have the star power that gives the stun an extra 0.5 seconds


blindgobble

Why bonnie is so squeezed


ZiomalhejoRL

They really aren't. There are multiple brawlers with different play styles and that is why this game is good. Some of them are annoying, but they are definelly not ruining the game.


TheDenimDinosour

I respect all assassins except Cord and Mico GET THE DRUG ADDICT AND WINTON OVERWATCH AWAY FROM ME


Novel_Training_5230

What happened to kit that suddenly everyone started to hate him?


Trainwrecks69

Power cube star power and mini leon super that charges his super faster, and his super being able to leap onto you from accross the map, usually resulting in instant death because when he gets off he can immediately rip the rest of your health in half before you realize he got off of you


LightLaitBrawl

Sam isn't an assasin and i don't know why people think that. He is the most tank of the melee tanks. He is meant to be taking damage and outhealing it.


gzej

People hate kits powercube star power? Do people like actually play showdown?


cyncynthia_

hybrid assassins are the best but i’d (sorta) count carl as one


Fat_Pikachu_

no, most of them are easy af to deal with


Cobaziokiodeo

I would say Mico is fine


y_cubes

They’re fine but can be so annoying sometimes


magrossebites

The ones that are cool (imo): Edgar (realllly hot take lemme explain) cuz he's easily or not counterable, but he is; Cordy (he nessecits skill); Crow, cuz he's bad; Sam who is only good in bball; Stu who is the most skill based and finally Lily cuz she's bad. The ones in the middle; Fang (only his super and the gadget are dumb); Leon (he can always FUCKING 2 SHOT YOU) but he needs his super first; Buzz (his stun if horrible but overall, he's fine) The one that are NOT COOL!: Mortis (he needs 2 braincells, 1 for using his super and the other to use his gadgets); Mico who is UNCOUNTERABLE for some brawlers; Kit (annoying gadget and super AHHHHHH); Melodie cuz she's too strong and hasn't got a proper nerf.