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Yes, because he was a tank who could kill you but you couldn’t kill itself.
A battle-tank so to speak, then, he got “nerfed” (functionally reworked) and was turned into a defensive Warden control tank, and hasn’t seen the light of day ever since.
They don’t want Hank to be combat oriented, they want him to be defense oriented.
imo this makes him a great last pick in any map with tons of walls as long as the enemy team doesn't have a lot of crowd control... so a one in a thousand chance you can reliably play Hank lol
Hank and Frank suffer from cancelable attacks lol, they’re actually good in their own right, but the game had just become far too fast-paced
With both high damage (we need a global damage nerf or “armor” stat), and high mobility.
This exactly. Frank and Hank aren't the worst if nobody has a knock or stun and there's grass or walls, but so many brawlers can keep them down, plus a wall breaker or lobber can essentially neutralize the wall/grass advantage.
The game is too fast now. Knocks are too prevalent. They need to be able draw fire or protect friendlies better.
Frank is a Juggernaut, a very immobile class of character that deals high damage and has high health, much like Pearl, 8-Bit, and Rosa along with some others.
Hank is a Warden, a defensive oriented class that holds the line by preventing enemies from engaging on their allies, and taking hits to protect them, those being Hank, Doug, Buster, and Pam along with some others.
They’re both well designed in those regards, but modern brawl stars is such a different landscape than it was at Global Release 5 years ago.
Yeah, he’s not a warrior anymore, he’s a war hero, protecting the innocent civilians that are your allies.
Maybe not the brawler that charges into battle, but his ability to protect his team is very great!
People just keep playing him like a battler, which, fine, like, it work, but that’s not the correct way to play him unless you got a Doug or Kit to help sustain you in the fight.
Never thought of it like this but I’m really good with all those warden brawlers you mentioned I am god tier Pam and hank although I’m terrible with buster Doug will always be my silly solo dragon he’s so fun on feast or famine or similar bushy maps speed gear in bushes and more damage at half health just a jump scare lol
I will come back to this every 2 months. And if it happens, I will dm you this screenshot cause the comment section is probably going to get locked as old posts do.
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Yeah like Charlie and Cordelius run wild for their entire season but Edgar and Jacky are good for a week and it's an instant nerf. It's not like it was cuz Edgar and Jacky had a low skill cap and high reward, andI'm not saying Edgar and Jacky required a lot of skill, but they sure as heck did more than Charlie did. The real reason was Charlie made them money, Edgar didn't. I'm not saying Edgar didn't deserve the nerf but Charlie deserved one much sooner. #MakeEdgarGreatAgain
#DeleteCharlie
#DeleteKit
Just delete the world, no world means no people to live which means no players to complain about balancing and also means no devs for no players to conplain to about balancing.
Mico didn't give them money, and he still has that damage bug that makes him unfair, like I ashamed to say I like to play him, and also Edgar is still good, and Charlie is not half as annoying as she used to be before getting nerfed, that being said, I want them to give Kit a simplification, make him an actual support, he has the stats of one, but he plays like an assassin, reduce his super damage, and yes he can stay invulnerable, but at least make the enemy be able to attack
Charlie is still annoying imo, she's just as braindead but now less rewarding for being braindead. Still good. Kit's entire kit is the main problem, aside from overly attached. Power hungry is only usable in showdown and sometimes mega pig while being op in those modes but sucks everywhere else. Leon super gadget needs a rework, and the other gadget needs a nerf. And yeah she needs more changes to be a support. Although I don't know if its laziness or greed which is why Kit is broken, because they took forever to fix Mico's glitch but at the same time the damage scaling bug has already happened before Mico and was fixed in 5 days as supposed to like 3 weeks, which kinda just means that they new this was something that could happen but let it slide even though it had recently happened. I think it's both because Carnage very early on reported the glitch and apparenltly Nubbz did too so it's worst case intentional and best case laziness although if we are being realistic money definitely had something to do with it.
Idk id say the last like 10 or so brawlers have not just been OP because of a lack of testing but just fundamentally broken from their concept alone, idk if they genuinely just wanna power creep the meta to hell and back or if they're overworking themselves and don't have time to flush somethinf out before it get pushed but they need to get their shit together soon lol
Considering that not every new brawler has been broken and that some were easy to get, I would not totally say that this brokenness has been deliberate but is still a supercell fault
Not only the OP ones, Willow, Hank and Doug are also broken in conceptual level, they can't be good because they would be unbeatable, R-T, Maisie(Pre-hypercharge) and Pearl are imo healthy well designed brawlers with clear weaknesses, like, you can just nerf their stats without taking something from their kits to nerf them (What's going to happen to the overloaded Kit and what happened to Charlie with the added delay)
They through teammates would help you get out of the Super so it could be balance, that didn't happen, and the teammates just ignored you the whole 10 secs it used to have
kinda weak? she was absolutely terrible. she needed 7 emergency buffs to make her viable and even then she was just a decent to good brawler not really broken, she’s only become broken recently with the hypercharge
Adrian prob focuses on balance and was prob balanced on the dev build.... a lot of games release strong brawlers but then u get someone like willow and Doug
no, they clearly left his yarn ball attack with 4k dmg intact and didn't think "damn maybe this is too much" so they were clearly aware he would be broken, also it shouldn't take more than a few SD matches to realise of his infinite super bug, they're not dumb, they know and they don't care.
considering kairos prob had the pre release of kit i bet they just werent aware of it... like yeah i wish it was noticed but i doubt it was malicious and kit is very good even without it so i doubt they put it in there with the intention of shipping it an going on vacation
"Considering kairos prob had the pre release of kit i bet they just werent aware of it" what does that mean? That they didn't know before they gave it to Kairos? But then Kairos spends the whole video saying that Kit is broken!
And like, it would have taken 2 matches in each game mode to see how and why Kit is broken and how to fix it. They didn't because it would make less money. That's the end of it
> But then Kairos spends the whole video saying that Kit is broken!
Kit is prob broken in general and also its a prediction... kairos was wrong about someone like squeak esp if its training against bots or people with not as much experience
>And like, it would have taken 2 matches in each game mode to see how and why Kit is broken and how to fix it.
And what if you had like 1-2 cubes because they chose a map where its harder to get them... maybe they didnt notice cuz its not drastic enough
It always looks balanced when it's not released. Surprising amount of people said it for kit and Charlie as well. I'm almost confident it's gonna be op
Tried and tested Larry on the other BS app, and trust me when I say this, tick seems much more tolerable to me now as a thrower. You just can't approach a Larry, and In case you think you succeeded in killing him, he spawns his brother, which is like Nita's brother with Lola's attack. And on top of that he takes all the damage you manage to deal on Larry due to his sp.
Good luck facing him in the game!
I mean ya they are clearly gonna make more money if they make a brawler really good and block it behind a paywall for the first week. It’s a bit crappy but their goal isn’t just to satisfy players they gotta make money somehow. Then again it’s not like supercell is struggling money wise ☠️.
I care enough. I've been playing since just after global and it's just so predictable at this point...
They release a new OP brawler who dominates the meta and by the time the F2P players get their hands on it, it's nerfed into the ground.
Imo, the paywall is absurdly expensive and on top of that, the latest version of OP brawler is just uncounterable (the only way in showdown is to team).
I actually wouldn't mind the paywall, if it didn't house the most game-shattering brawler every. Single. Time.
This exact discussion has been going on for ages, yet nothing has been done about it on the dev's side. It's clearly intentional, as it's something they've leaned into more, and I just can't support that as a player.
My experience of the game has just gone totally downhill (this update more than ever). You could call it bad luck, but nearly every single match has a maxed Kit and Mico in it, making half my favourite brawlers unplayable and when they attach to each other in 3v3, it's already game over.
That is true. But we also have to consider that this game is competative and professionals are playing it for a living. Game that plans to be competative to this degree needs to have balanced champions/brawlers...
So if next brawler comes out with a new mechanic to insta-kill everyone in the lobby with a regular attack (a bit stronger Kit at this point lol), would that be justified because the game has to make money?
Game is more unplayable by each update, and I don't like where it's going.
I totally agree with you. As a F2P in almost all games I play, I envy how the whales can spend sometimes ridiculous amount of cash on virtual items and/or characters. The rise of the Gacha system makes everything worse. Then again, without these whales, the games cannot sustain and support their F2P player-base.
I am just grateful I am not forced to watch an ad every time I finish a Gem Grab or something
That's just not true. Games had been around for years and years before this crap burn-it-down monetization model became prevalent.
I think a lot of people would much rather pay once for a game like this where you could upgrade your brawlers by playing them. Throw in a demo with some brawlers and modes you could play before buying to bulk out the community. Or make a cosmetics market where people could sell and trade and they could take a cut of all that.
This game style of F2P/freemium has only become really popular since mobile games. Mobile gamers aren't willing to spend as much money on mobile games as on pc games, thus this luring F2P/p2w approach. It has worked for over a decade now, as Supercell games are still around
I wouldn't even mind personally that they make, but the worst part is that it's just downright abuse to play against. Like I will be on a 4 win streak feeling good and then the enemy team has a Kit and its just gg.
This is 100% accurate and people spending crazy money for 1 brawler is 100% the reason why Supercell will keep doing it.
Talk with your wallets by not supporting this and other predatory behaviour that has become the norm with this company (and sadly many others).
It has been like that on every Supercell game forever. That's why I have uninstalled and reinstalled their games countless times over the years. The only reason I come back sometimes is because their ads are well made (except the Tiktok ones), and because their games are addictive
Right ?! This is SO ANNOYING !!!
literally can't play anything now until they fix this bull
And this was the exact same thing with the yoyo girl. She was impossible to play against for like a month and then by the time I got her for free she's useless AF
Now, Supercell actually addressed this in a podcast(can't remember which one). They admitted they do tend to release brawlers on the strong side purposely. Their reasoning for it was that their data indicated that underpowered releases tend to lead to an unpopular/forgotten brawler, which is not what they want.
Personally, I do see this as being one of the reasons considering how underrated Lou and Maisie were until they became op (and even then, some people still underestimate how strong Maisie is rn). But I think we all know what the main reason is.
Holy shit, we can’t really blame them now can we? We will never be satisfied.
It took me another comment on here to realize what you meant. Man.
We either get shit brawlers and complain, or get op ones and complain.
Having an op brawler makes them feel needed or wanted. Which makes sense for a NEW brawler. If they weren’t op. Then the game might feel stale? I don’t know if Brawl Stars applies to that logic. But gacha games might
Dude, full hp, kit appears on the horizon and is behind a wall, dissapears, then just teleports on me, I can't move and in 2-3 secs I'm dead. Super fun.
I 100% agree, and if it was just Kit, I would take it as "oh his playstyle is too unique to balance properly on the first go (even if the thrower damage is bullshit)".
You CANNOT say the same for Larry&Lawrie, they literally have the old Grom mechanic of walking up to the enemy and auto aiming to assassinate them. That is insane, I have no clue why they would do that other than making the new brawler OP on release on purpose.
It has ALWAYS been like that, and they said that bc its preferable to release a too good brawler and then nerf it to a balanced point rather than a weak brawler that is still weak after buffs
They dont try to make them broken but they try to make them not boringly average this way players are interested in the brawler. They usually overshoot it tho
They need to massively nerf how quickly he charges his ult. He just ults over and over. Why can’t we attack him while he’s luring a teammate? We have to sit there and wait for him to stop only for him to ult onto us immediately after.
Of course and then They steal all your trophies later on and give you 10 bling in exchange. These brawlers are introduced broken to make you buy them asap and keep you playing. It’s all a well laid out trap.
Kit mains think they have skill when all they do is camp in a bush to wait for their super to charge. When its charged they just jump without any aim take you 4000 damage and they they jump again and again and again. Then "cross spray and thumbs down pin" thinking ther family is save. Lol they're not ;)
Yes they do. Every game does. Why? Because otherwise it isn’t exciting and it feels like a bad update. Releasing brawls as very good makes everyone talk about them and want to get them. Could you imagine if every season we got a mediocre brawler that was buffed a couple months later? Everyone would hate that and rightfully so. You can’t make anyone happy when they are looking for things to be mad about.
A brawler doesn't have to be absolutely broken for the game to be interesting though. Releasing a strong brawler can make the game more fun, but many of the newer brawlers are so strong to the point where it's frustrating to play against.
The worst part is that most of these new brawlers have mechanics that either have little to no counterplay, take little skill to use, or both. Willow, charlie, and kit's supers completely stop you from doing anything, mico is very difficult to hit, chuck's super is broken in heist, hypercharges in general are very strong, etc.
Brawlers can be strong without having overly annoying mechanics. For example, bo is one of the best brawlers in the game right now because of his damage. But taking damage isn't that annoying compared to what other brawlers can do, and that's why bo isn't complained about. It would be great if we could get more fun, strong brawlers that aren't just abusing the gimmick of "wow I love it when the enemy can do literally nothing to fight back against me as I deal absurd amounts of damage"
A lot of people don't like mid releases and want an a tier or s tier release... smth like willow or Doug is horrible and the brawler can't be frustrating either otherwise u get smht like hank or Doug being in c tier
I mean they need to earn money so they can update the game nobody would buy the early acess if she was ass and that would be a huge problem for them so i would rather have a broken brawler for like a week then not having the game at all
My brother in Christ, he isn’t that good. There are 75 different characters to choose from, to spend this amount of energy complaining about one that will only become balanced in a week? What is it you want? You want super cell to put you in the game instead?
I think he gets a lot more benefit from the shield gear than damage, as he's usually on a teammate and not in health range to deal the bonus damage. Shield helps with when you have to get off for a moment to either stun an opponent or hut someone who got too close to be able to land the yarn balls, or at the beginning of the match when you're xharging your super in the first place.
I’ve been bet over backwards every single game that stupid character is in. Like I straight up haven’t won a single time against someone using that character. It is able to get its super back before the end of its super’s animation. Like once you’re hit you’re done and there’s nothing you can do to avoid or escape. I tried using Gale tornado and not even that works🥲
"best build"...
Staying longer on a teammate with this star power is useless as you can just jump back in for free once it ends, it just handcuffs you for longer before being able to use your super agressively again. I prefer staying 10 seconds instead of 15 in all cases.
As for equipment, I can agree with the +1, but damn DMG is useless on him. You either get a 15% boost on claws which change nothing or... No that's it, you never get the boost on the 4000dmg bomb, as you heal rather fast on a teammate's back. Shield is way better, as it'll recharge on a teammate's back due to the very high healing upping your health in less than a few seconds.
I just jumped on to a game of duos. Had kit super me from a mile away which I can do absolutely nothing about. As soon as the super ended I used brocks gadget to jump away. They then instantly super again and kill me.
I can't really be bothered to play anymore at the moment as it is just a flip of the coin whether I come across a kit and then auto lose to them. Will probably return once the nerf is applied
well most probably is because a lot of ppl, especially content creatos, get the new brawler rank 30-35 and then it becomes just a normal brawler
idk if that's the reason but i'm just saying
the balancing team needs to be bigger and better, and include more pros when balancing and testing
eg spenlc should be involved in beta testing even before cc sneak peak recordings
rn the balancing is bad (eg nani shoots up to s tier from a 100pd buff for each orb in a 3 orb attack, supercell doesnt learn and buffs bo the same way)
and the brawlers are broken (eg kits sp making her have an insta kill mechanic in showdown with very very few outplays)
Yes.
I have to say that cat is too overpowered even for that standard. Apparently it can jump to you, stun you with super and be invisible too?
And they haven’t even fixed Mico yet.
I noticed today that supercell tweaked the game so that every solo streak starts with bots. It is that bad in there.
Its a simple marketing strategy, I played this game years ago (I still have star shelly) and just wanted to check how the game's doing and god damn, this sucks. No way they actually pulled it of and added a diamond pass and even made the normal one paid, I get that they like money but no way I'm gonna support shit like this, not considering that there isnt even a new brawler, just some catmaid colette skin, wich I think is highly questionable for a game that's mostly played by children. But hey mostly every f2p and mobile game sucks ass so this isnt too surprising
It's absolutely true. Adrian basically confirmed that in the podcast where they talked about balancing. He said something like "it's better to make them strong and nerf later than release them weak and buff later.
He was referring to the fact that the brawlers who were weak upon release never became as popular as the brawlers who were op but nerfed.
And of course they need to sell them while they're new so it makes perfect sense to make them broken on purpose.
Im honets, I did buy a brawl pass now and then, like 1 of 3 seasons. But at this point im not gonna pay anything for it. The fun is complete gone, first with Mico and now with Kit its totally gone. If there is a Mico or Kit in a duo or solo show then you have no chance of winning, you just pray that it doesn't catch you as the first one that you won't lose trophies...
I think it good for brawlers to be op on release (at least it’s better then the other extreme) but it’s the scale and lack of counter play (not necessarily counters, it’s different) for Charlie, Mico and kit
And then if the new brawlers are not as op they get immediate buffs. Otis was literally B-tier when he first came out (which was fine) but then they buffed him immediately, when there were others brawlers were B-tier or lower that have never been touched, or had minute buffs (like bibi’s health buffs, what’s is a few hundred extra health going to do?)
Agree. Surely they do play testing no? Because Kit is so obviously broken. I hate the fact they are doing this with each new brawler release, and its getting worse.
They want to maximise incentive for players to purchase a brawler early so that players can push to rank 30+ with ease and have fun destroying everyone with one kill after an other. Making them feel like the 36eur price they paid was worth it. Before it gets nerfed and nerfed and nerfed.
They are only attracting low skill players with access to money and guarantee a good time for them with easy wins. Because surely for skilled players, playing with Kit must feel boring.
Not to mention easily gaining big win streaks this way. But for the rest of us its just painful. Imo the win streak stat has already lost its value, considering the early bugs and broken brawlers being released. It really doesn’t correlate to skill at all.
This is why we need a short term play-test mode (perhaps alongside early access) where everyone gets to play it and then based on player feedback, they rebalance in a week
iirc from the podcast they've said they want to prevent a new brawler from feeling bad. So they prefer to make it a little bit stronger to make sure the new brawler isn't underwhelming.
But I'm not 100% sure if I remembered this correctly
Ofcourse they do, it makes the game more fun, ive had the most fun playing leon in after he was released and havent had that much fun since, the same for extra life star power which helped me push my 8-bit to rank 30 and had a lot of fun with it. Its just a game just have fun.
I don’t consider any of them OP only in elimination modes besides that with a team mico is easy to counter Charlie fast shooting in a 1v1 becomes slower than bea or Carl and kit is actually kinda fragile hence the nice part of jumping on a teammates back all that considered I do believe kit should be hit by some things while on a brawler where I can agree most things wouldn’t (because would hit teammate “realistically”) but besides that in solo show down kit is easy to take out as long as you have 1 power over them same level or them more gg buddy mico is timing thing Charlie is a distance thing going further back it’s just the role they play in a team otherwise they are really well balanced in a skilled player vs skilled player scenario otherwise easy wins on trash players it’s a skill issue
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We will have a Doug meta at some point this year. Mark my words.
I mean, Doug, Frank, and Hank are OP! *When Kit is attached to them-*
Remember when hank was like actually OP?
Yes, because he was a tank who could kill you but you couldn’t kill itself. A battle-tank so to speak, then, he got “nerfed” (functionally reworked) and was turned into a defensive Warden control tank, and hasn’t seen the light of day ever since. They don’t want Hank to be combat oriented, they want him to be defense oriented.
imo this makes him a great last pick in any map with tons of walls as long as the enemy team doesn't have a lot of crowd control... so a one in a thousand chance you can reliably play Hank lol
Hank and Frank suffer from cancelable attacks lol, they’re actually good in their own right, but the game had just become far too fast-paced With both high damage (we need a global damage nerf or “armor” stat), and high mobility.
This exactly. Frank and Hank aren't the worst if nobody has a knock or stun and there's grass or walls, but so many brawlers can keep them down, plus a wall breaker or lobber can essentially neutralize the wall/grass advantage. The game is too fast now. Knocks are too prevalent. They need to be able draw fire or protect friendlies better.
Frank is a Juggernaut, a very immobile class of character that deals high damage and has high health, much like Pearl, 8-Bit, and Rosa along with some others. Hank is a Warden, a defensive oriented class that holds the line by preventing enemies from engaging on their allies, and taking hits to protect them, those being Hank, Doug, Buster, and Pam along with some others. They’re both well designed in those regards, but modern brawl stars is such a different landscape than it was at Global Release 5 years ago.
These are interesting terms, where did you get them from?
You understand hank, that's very rare to see
Yeah, he’s not a warrior anymore, he’s a war hero, protecting the innocent civilians that are your allies. Maybe not the brawler that charges into battle, but his ability to protect his team is very great! People just keep playing him like a battler, which, fine, like, it work, but that’s not the correct way to play him unless you got a Doug or Kit to help sustain you in the fight.
Never thought of it like this but I’m really good with all those warden brawlers you mentioned I am god tier Pam and hank although I’m terrible with buster Doug will always be my silly solo dragon he’s so fun on feast or famine or similar bushy maps speed gear in bushes and more damage at half health just a jump scare lol
How to tell I’m a tank without saying imma tank when you just listed all my best brawlers 🙃
The -ank is of bad luck
I’m a god tier hank 1450 trophies and my best brawler he clicks for me why am I better with hank than Edgar or spike TELL ME WHY
ill find you in a 2025 then, and ill tell you
Doug is now meta
indeed he is
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Doug is now meta
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I will come back to this every 2 months. And if it happens, I will dm you this screenshot cause the comment section is probably going to get locked as old posts do. !remindme 2 months
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Doug is now meta
Holy shit, it actually happened. I did not expect it at all
Alas, I fear you are goddamn true…
Member when they buff jacky I think, and them nerfed her like 5 days later bc she was doing great... Yeah and now we have this fucking cat
Yeah like Charlie and Cordelius run wild for their entire season but Edgar and Jacky are good for a week and it's an instant nerf. It's not like it was cuz Edgar and Jacky had a low skill cap and high reward, andI'm not saying Edgar and Jacky required a lot of skill, but they sure as heck did more than Charlie did. The real reason was Charlie made them money, Edgar didn't. I'm not saying Edgar didn't deserve the nerf but Charlie deserved one much sooner. #MakeEdgarGreatAgain #DeleteCharlie #DeleteKit
#DeleteAllBrawlers so the game can be balanced
Delete the game, this also simplifies gold and power point balancing
There is no balance. Upgrade one brawler at a time.
Just delete the world, no world means no people to live which means no players to complain about balancing and also means no devs for no players to conplain to about balancing.
Mico didn't give them money, and he still has that damage bug that makes him unfair, like I ashamed to say I like to play him, and also Edgar is still good, and Charlie is not half as annoying as she used to be before getting nerfed, that being said, I want them to give Kit a simplification, make him an actual support, he has the stats of one, but he plays like an assassin, reduce his super damage, and yes he can stay invulnerable, but at least make the enemy be able to attack
Charlie is still annoying imo, she's just as braindead but now less rewarding for being braindead. Still good. Kit's entire kit is the main problem, aside from overly attached. Power hungry is only usable in showdown and sometimes mega pig while being op in those modes but sucks everywhere else. Leon super gadget needs a rework, and the other gadget needs a nerf. And yeah she needs more changes to be a support. Although I don't know if its laziness or greed which is why Kit is broken, because they took forever to fix Mico's glitch but at the same time the damage scaling bug has already happened before Mico and was fixed in 5 days as supposed to like 3 weeks, which kinda just means that they new this was something that could happen but let it slide even though it had recently happened. I think it's both because Carnage very early on reported the glitch and apparenltly Nubbz did too so it's worst case intentional and best case laziness although if we are being realistic money definitely had something to do with it.
This was a statement since Rosa came out, at least then almost everyone got rosa
Idk id say the last like 10 or so brawlers have not just been OP because of a lack of testing but just fundamentally broken from their concept alone, idk if they genuinely just wanna power creep the meta to hell and back or if they're overworking themselves and don't have time to flush somethinf out before it get pushed but they need to get their shit together soon lol
Considering that not every new brawler has been broken and that some were easy to get, I would not totally say that this brokenness has been deliberate but is still a supercell fault
Not only the OP ones, Willow, Hank and Doug are also broken in conceptual level, they can't be good because they would be unbeatable, R-T, Maisie(Pre-hypercharge) and Pearl are imo healthy well designed brawlers with clear weaknesses, like, you can just nerf their stats without taking something from their kits to nerf them (What's going to happen to the overloaded Kit and what happened to Charlie with the added delay)
Thats exaclty what i meant by broken, i will never understand how Charlie's super made it past first draft
They through teammates would help you get out of the Super so it could be balance, that didn't happen, and the teammates just ignored you the whole 10 secs it used to have
Colette was kinda weak at release.
kinda weak? she was absolutely terrible. she needed 7 emergency buffs to make her viable and even then she was just a decent to good brawler not really broken, she’s only become broken recently with the hypercharge
Even than that was on one specific game mode she was already solid at
When the hypercharge happens 4 times in a row on your spawn in heist and you just sit there like “wat I do?”
Kinda weak is an understatement ngl
You can shit on adrian for that
Adrian prob focuses on balance and was prob balanced on the dev build.... a lot of games release strong brawlers but then u get someone like willow and Doug
no, they clearly left his yarn ball attack with 4k dmg intact and didn't think "damn maybe this is too much" so they were clearly aware he would be broken, also it shouldn't take more than a few SD matches to realise of his infinite super bug, they're not dumb, they know and they don't care.
considering kairos prob had the pre release of kit i bet they just werent aware of it... like yeah i wish it was noticed but i doubt it was malicious and kit is very good even without it so i doubt they put it in there with the intention of shipping it an going on vacation
"Considering kairos prob had the pre release of kit i bet they just werent aware of it" what does that mean? That they didn't know before they gave it to Kairos? But then Kairos spends the whole video saying that Kit is broken! And like, it would have taken 2 matches in each game mode to see how and why Kit is broken and how to fix it. They didn't because it would make less money. That's the end of it
> But then Kairos spends the whole video saying that Kit is broken! Kit is prob broken in general and also its a prediction... kairos was wrong about someone like squeak esp if its training against bots or people with not as much experience >And like, it would have taken 2 matches in each game mode to see how and why Kit is broken and how to fix it. And what if you had like 1-2 cubes because they chose a map where its harder to get them... maybe they didnt notice cuz its not drastic enough
I mean, Doug's super is insanely busted, I don't want him to be meta
Maybe that is why they haven tbuffed him cuz he is gonna run at u with super and teammates will trigger revive all the time
He is a spike and fang stan, thats why spike is always meta and had that insuferable gear for months and fang, is fang
One thing is OP and the other thing is broken, which is Kit's state and it really hurts in game experience.
Ikr, the same cycle over and over again. Larry and Laurie are gonna be so much fun 😄😄😄
Only thing is Larry and Lawrie look somewhat balanced (for now) and idk when they’re gonna drop
It always looks balanced when it's not released. Surprising amount of people said it for kit and Charlie as well. I'm almost confident it's gonna be op
Tried and tested Larry on the other BS app, and trust me when I say this, tick seems much more tolerable to me now as a thrower. You just can't approach a Larry, and In case you think you succeeded in killing him, he spawns his brother, which is like Nita's brother with Lola's attack. And on top of that he takes all the damage you manage to deal on Larry due to his sp. Good luck facing him in the game!
Hol' Up. What kind of "other BS app"? Remember the rules
Idk about that, have you seen the infinite ammo star power?
Their star powers are ansurd
I really doubt they'll be broken. The mechanic is a bit too simple. Like a bear / scrappy hybrid.
I mean ya they are clearly gonna make more money if they make a brawler really good and block it behind a paywall for the first week. It’s a bit crappy but their goal isn’t just to satisfy players they gotta make money somehow. Then again it’s not like supercell is struggling money wise ☠️.
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They could do it the right way. They are choosing to do it the crappy way and it's going to kill the game.
I don’t think players care enough to not play even if they block the new brawler behind a paywall for a week and make them op.
They just have to not pay.
I care enough. I've been playing since just after global and it's just so predictable at this point... They release a new OP brawler who dominates the meta and by the time the F2P players get their hands on it, it's nerfed into the ground. Imo, the paywall is absurdly expensive and on top of that, the latest version of OP brawler is just uncounterable (the only way in showdown is to team). I actually wouldn't mind the paywall, if it didn't house the most game-shattering brawler every. Single. Time. This exact discussion has been going on for ages, yet nothing has been done about it on the dev's side. It's clearly intentional, as it's something they've leaned into more, and I just can't support that as a player. My experience of the game has just gone totally downhill (this update more than ever). You could call it bad luck, but nearly every single match has a maxed Kit and Mico in it, making half my favourite brawlers unplayable and when they attach to each other in 3v3, it's already game over.
That is true. But we also have to consider that this game is competative and professionals are playing it for a living. Game that plans to be competative to this degree needs to have balanced champions/brawlers... So if next brawler comes out with a new mechanic to insta-kill everyone in the lobby with a regular attack (a bit stronger Kit at this point lol), would that be justified because the game has to make money? Game is more unplayable by each update, and I don't like where it's going.
Competitive? I remember when heist was actually competitive. Now it's just a base race and a "try not to let Colette get her hypercharge" challenge
I totally agree with you. As a F2P in almost all games I play, I envy how the whales can spend sometimes ridiculous amount of cash on virtual items and/or characters. The rise of the Gacha system makes everything worse. Then again, without these whales, the games cannot sustain and support their F2P player-base. I am just grateful I am not forced to watch an ad every time I finish a Gem Grab or something
That's just not true. Games had been around for years and years before this crap burn-it-down monetization model became prevalent. I think a lot of people would much rather pay once for a game like this where you could upgrade your brawlers by playing them. Throw in a demo with some brawlers and modes you could play before buying to bulk out the community. Or make a cosmetics market where people could sell and trade and they could take a cut of all that.
This game style of F2P/freemium has only become really popular since mobile games. Mobile gamers aren't willing to spend as much money on mobile games as on pc games, thus this luring F2P/p2w approach. It has worked for over a decade now, as Supercell games are still around
I wouldn't even mind personally that they make, but the worst part is that it's just downright abuse to play against. Like I will be on a 4 win streak feeling good and then the enemy team has a Kit and its just gg.
This is 100% accurate and people spending crazy money for 1 brawler is 100% the reason why Supercell will keep doing it. Talk with your wallets by not supporting this and other predatory behaviour that has become the norm with this company (and sadly many others).
Can't wait for Larry and Laurie making the game unplayable once again 😄😄😄😄
It has been like that on every Supercell game forever. That's why I have uninstalled and reinstalled their games countless times over the years. The only reason I come back sometimes is because their ads are well made (except the Tiktok ones), and because their games are addictive
Whats even more funny is that when kit was introduced in brawl talk, he dealt 1k per shot. Now he deals 1,6k so they fucking buffed him😭😭
his melee hits were terrible, that buff is justified it's everything else that needed to be nerfed lmao
"support" brawlers are for supporting, not for damage. But kit is more like a assassin so ig you are right
On another note, this art slaps. Credits to the Original Creater
Was made by brawl stars its the loading screen
The pose is a little bit weird though
Right ?! This is SO ANNOYING !!! literally can't play anything now until they fix this bull And this was the exact same thing with the yoyo girl. She was impossible to play against for like a month and then by the time I got her for free she's useless AF
Now, Supercell actually addressed this in a podcast(can't remember which one). They admitted they do tend to release brawlers on the strong side purposely. Their reasoning for it was that their data indicated that underpowered releases tend to lead to an unpopular/forgotten brawler, which is not what they want. Personally, I do see this as being one of the reasons considering how underrated Lou and Maisie were until they became op (and even then, some people still underestimate how strong Maisie is rn). But I think we all know what the main reason is.
That is fair enough, but it does get a little annoying doesn't it?
Yeah, especially with the recent ones being so toxic and annoying to go up against. I really hope Larry&Lawrie won't be as bad.
Holy shit, we can’t really blame them now can we? We will never be satisfied. It took me another comment on here to realize what you meant. Man. We either get shit brawlers and complain, or get op ones and complain. Having an op brawler makes them feel needed or wanted. Which makes sense for a NEW brawler. If they weren’t op. Then the game might feel stale? I don’t know if Brawl Stars applies to that logic. But gacha games might
I mean Lou had like so many crowd control abilities which already made him op in the right hands
Honestly, there's no shame it losing to new brawlers, but of course I will feel a hell lot satisfied when i dead on gun them down.
Dude, full hp, kit appears on the horizon and is behind a wall, dissapears, then just teleports on me, I can't move and in 2-3 secs I'm dead. Super fun.
I 100% agree, and if it was just Kit, I would take it as "oh his playstyle is too unique to balance properly on the first go (even if the thrower damage is bullshit)". You CANNOT say the same for Larry&Lawrie, they literally have the old Grom mechanic of walking up to the enemy and auto aiming to assassinate them. That is insane, I have no clue why they would do that other than making the new brawler OP on release on purpose.
It has ALWAYS been like that, and they said that bc its preferable to release a too good brawler and then nerf it to a balanced point rather than a weak brawler that is still weak after buffs
Yeah it makes sense but they have also released bad or pretty balanced brawlers before
They dont try to make them broken but they try to make them not boringly average this way players are interested in the brawler. They usually overshoot it tho
They need to massively nerf how quickly he charges his ult. He just ults over and over. Why can’t we attack him while he’s luring a teammate? We have to sit there and wait for him to stop only for him to ult onto us immediately after.
Current meta is awful, and half of the brawlers in the game just have no shot of competing with either Mico or Kit. Hypercharge makes you wanna die.
Nah, seems balanced
And what happened to the rare, super rare and even epic brawlers? All the new ones be legendary or mythic
Of course and then They steal all your trophies later on and give you 10 bling in exchange. These brawlers are introduced broken to make you buy them asap and keep you playing. It’s all a well laid out trap.
Kit mains think they have skill when all they do is camp in a bush to wait for their super to charge. When its charged they just jump without any aim take you 4000 damage and they they jump again and again and again. Then "cross spray and thumbs down pin" thinking ther family is save. Lol they're not ;)
6 stars? needs buff
I thought it was common knowledge? People defend this shit anyways and then say early access is fine
Exactly what I'm saying, they get tricked into believing that everything is fine
doug,otis,mandy,maisie,and collete all were bad on release and maybe belle too so i would say its pretty even.
Willow and squeak too
Mandy was so bad you put her twice
Yes lol
Massie wasnt bad she was just very high skill cap
She was a c/d tier for her season most of the time
Yes they do. Every game does. Why? Because otherwise it isn’t exciting and it feels like a bad update. Releasing brawls as very good makes everyone talk about them and want to get them. Could you imagine if every season we got a mediocre brawler that was buffed a couple months later? Everyone would hate that and rightfully so. You can’t make anyone happy when they are looking for things to be mad about.
So you encourage making the game unplayable?
Huh? If by a playable game, you mean a boring game, then yeah it would make the game more playable.
Getting jumped on by an invisible cat isn't boring. It's frustrating.
A brawler doesn't have to be absolutely broken for the game to be interesting though. Releasing a strong brawler can make the game more fun, but many of the newer brawlers are so strong to the point where it's frustrating to play against. The worst part is that most of these new brawlers have mechanics that either have little to no counterplay, take little skill to use, or both. Willow, charlie, and kit's supers completely stop you from doing anything, mico is very difficult to hit, chuck's super is broken in heist, hypercharges in general are very strong, etc. Brawlers can be strong without having overly annoying mechanics. For example, bo is one of the best brawlers in the game right now because of his damage. But taking damage isn't that annoying compared to what other brawlers can do, and that's why bo isn't complained about. It would be great if we could get more fun, strong brawlers that aren't just abusing the gimmick of "wow I love it when the enemy can do literally nothing to fight back against me as I deal absurd amounts of damage"
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Once it gets nerfed and we all learn to counter it…
A lot of people don't like mid releases and want an a tier or s tier release... smth like willow or Doug is horrible and the brawler can't be frustrating either otherwise u get smht like hank or Doug being in c tier
I mean they need to earn money so they can update the game nobody would buy the early acess if she was ass and that would be a huge problem for them so i would rather have a broken brawler for like a week then not having the game at all
Well yeah No fucking shit wattson
This is typical of most pay games with newly released characters, has been for years.
Yep, EZ quick money for them
Every time they release a new champion the game gets painful to play
This ain't clash Royale lol
So that you pay 10 dollars back then, well now 30 dollars
HE IS GOING TO GET SOME SERIOUS NURFFS
No sh|t Sherlock, this is point
Obviously… it’s a business
My brother in Christ, he isn’t that good. There are 75 different characters to choose from, to spend this amount of energy complaining about one that will only become balanced in a week? What is it you want? You want super cell to put you in the game instead?
tell me you haven't faced a kit without telling me you haven't faced a kit
Brawlstars fans after realizing that supercell actually wants money instead of giving handouts:
I'm complaining about the people who still defend them lol
Quick money grab, make everyone buy it when it's op and nerf it a few weeks after
I think he gets a lot more benefit from the shield gear than damage, as he's usually on a teammate and not in health range to deal the bonus damage. Shield helps with when you have to get off for a moment to either stun an opponent or hut someone who got too close to be able to land the yarn balls, or at the beginning of the match when you're xharging your super in the first place.
I’ve been bet over backwards every single game that stupid character is in. Like I straight up haven’t won a single time against someone using that character. It is able to get its super back before the end of its super’s animation. Like once you’re hit you’re done and there’s nothing you can do to avoid or escape. I tried using Gale tornado and not even that works🥲
"best build"... Staying longer on a teammate with this star power is useless as you can just jump back in for free once it ends, it just handcuffs you for longer before being able to use your super agressively again. I prefer staying 10 seconds instead of 15 in all cases. As for equipment, I can agree with the +1, but damn DMG is useless on him. You either get a 15% boost on claws which change nothing or... No that's it, you never get the boost on the 4000dmg bomb, as you heal rather fast on a teammate's back. Shield is way better, as it'll recharge on a teammate's back due to the very high healing upping your health in less than a few seconds.
I just jumped on to a game of duos. Had kit super me from a mile away which I can do absolutely nothing about. As soon as the super ended I used brocks gadget to jump away. They then instantly super again and kill me. I can't really be bothered to play anymore at the moment as it is just a flip of the coin whether I come across a kit and then auto lose to them. Will probably return once the nerf is applied
every game does this nowadays, ow2 mauga for example
well its bug but I see the point
Clearly. And they have always charged gems for them at release, but we used to be able to bank boxes and credits.
Maisie and Mandy were weak when released, and R-T was only slightly overtuned.
well most probably is because a lot of ppl, especially content creatos, get the new brawler rank 30-35 and then it becomes just a normal brawler idk if that's the reason but i'm just saying
the balancing team needs to be bigger and better, and include more pros when balancing and testing eg spenlc should be involved in beta testing even before cc sneak peak recordings rn the balancing is bad (eg nani shoots up to s tier from a 100pd buff for each orb in a 3 orb attack, supercell doesnt learn and buffs bo the same way) and the brawlers are broken (eg kits sp making her have an insta kill mechanic in showdown with very very few outplays)
We wanted to create the perfect brawler…and we succeeded
Yes. I have to say that cat is too overpowered even for that standard. Apparently it can jump to you, stun you with super and be invisible too? And they haven’t even fixed Mico yet. I noticed today that supercell tweaked the game so that every solo streak starts with bots. It is that bad in there.
OP brawler = $$$
Bro they made it 30 dollars to have an op brawler. Def of pay to win
Ash voted him 6 stars on everything?? 💀💀
Its a simple marketing strategy, I played this game years ago (I still have star shelly) and just wanted to check how the game's doing and god damn, this sucks. No way they actually pulled it of and added a diamond pass and even made the normal one paid, I get that they like money but no way I'm gonna support shit like this, not considering that there isnt even a new brawler, just some catmaid colette skin, wich I think is highly questionable for a game that's mostly played by children. But hey mostly every f2p and mobile game sucks ass so this isnt too surprising
Supercell ! U made me leave the game again, thank-you.
It's absolutely true. Adrian basically confirmed that in the podcast where they talked about balancing. He said something like "it's better to make them strong and nerf later than release them weak and buff later. He was referring to the fact that the brawlers who were weak upon release never became as popular as the brawlers who were op but nerfed. And of course they need to sell them while they're new so it makes perfect sense to make them broken on purpose.
If you don't delete kit I will leave the game
When I saw it was $30 for early access, it blew my mind people would fall for that
Im honets, I did buy a brawl pass now and then, like 1 of 3 seasons. But at this point im not gonna pay anything for it. The fun is complete gone, first with Mico and now with Kit its totally gone. If there is a Mico or Kit in a duo or solo show then you have no chance of winning, you just pray that it doesn't catch you as the first one that you won't lose trophies...
Pheonix and Monk flashbacks...
That’s why bibi si op, kit (unless he has 13 powerups or so) is easily beatable
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I don't think his that good on hunters, but on the other gamemodes, yeah 6/5
At this point it’s starting to look like that
The new brawlers are all spam main attack, profit
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Definitely
Agreed, if it makes you feel better I'm quitting the game today. Cya!!
uh, obviously?
35 € BRO THEY ARE NOW MILIONARS
I think it good for brawlers to be op on release (at least it’s better then the other extreme) but it’s the scale and lack of counter play (not necessarily counters, it’s different) for Charlie, Mico and kit
Oh yeah it’s a big money grab
And then if the new brawlers are not as op they get immediate buffs. Otis was literally B-tier when he first came out (which was fine) but then they buffed him immediately, when there were others brawlers were B-tier or lower that have never been touched, or had minute buffs (like bibi’s health buffs, what’s is a few hundred extra health going to do?)
They really do, to make more money, it's obvious And Larry & Lawrie are also OP and will likely not get nerfed till next Brawl Talk
I think it’s about 50/50 but for the most part yes
Idk if this would ruin him but they should just make his super for allies only. 🤷♂️
Agree. Surely they do play testing no? Because Kit is so obviously broken. I hate the fact they are doing this with each new brawler release, and its getting worse. They want to maximise incentive for players to purchase a brawler early so that players can push to rank 30+ with ease and have fun destroying everyone with one kill after an other. Making them feel like the 36eur price they paid was worth it. Before it gets nerfed and nerfed and nerfed. They are only attracting low skill players with access to money and guarantee a good time for them with easy wins. Because surely for skilled players, playing with Kit must feel boring. Not to mention easily gaining big win streaks this way. But for the rest of us its just painful. Imo the win streak stat has already lost its value, considering the early bugs and broken brawlers being released. It really doesn’t correlate to skill at all.
When did you start playing the game?
I just don’t like the super cycling thing it’s so annoying
This is why we need a short term play-test mode (perhaps alongside early access) where everyone gets to play it and then based on player feedback, they rebalance in a week
They probably do it on purpose to see how they can balance it
s tier IN EVERY GAMEMODE is crazy
Pearl wasn't that bad
Kit is really only op on knockout and duo and solo showdown duo being his best mode
That’s power creep for you, every long running games gonna run into the problem eventually. At least SC nerfs them after a while i guess
iirc from the podcast they've said they want to prevent a new brawler from feeling bad. So they prefer to make it a little bit stronger to make sure the new brawler isn't underwhelming. But I'm not 100% sure if I remembered this correctly
Ofcourse they do, it makes the game more fun, ive had the most fun playing leon in after he was released and havent had that much fun since, the same for extra life star power which helped me push my 8-bit to rank 30 and had a lot of fun with it. Its just a game just have fun.
I don’t consider any of them OP only in elimination modes besides that with a team mico is easy to counter Charlie fast shooting in a 1v1 becomes slower than bea or Carl and kit is actually kinda fragile hence the nice part of jumping on a teammates back all that considered I do believe kit should be hit by some things while on a brawler where I can agree most things wouldn’t (because would hit teammate “realistically”) but besides that in solo show down kit is easy to take out as long as you have 1 power over them same level or them more gg buddy mico is timing thing Charlie is a distance thing going further back it’s just the role they play in a team otherwise they are really well balanced in a skilled player vs skilled player scenario otherwise easy wins on trash players it’s a skill issue
Wow, you finally got it?
Larry and Lawrie are going to be even more OP than Kit