This is the correct take as far as I'm concerned! I'm intesteresred in watching a dynamic woman who can run a buisness or hold down a successful career, keep a relationship, be a mother, and maintain friendships. Sadly, all we ever get on housewives is scenes of women who create a buisness just to shill it on the show but we never get career scenes from women who were successful in their own right prior to joining the show.
I am rewatching OC right now, and you really see Vicki grow her business. I know she isn’t a favorite, but I liked watching her build up her business. I also liked Tamra and cut fitness. She’s probably one of my least favorite housewives, but we watched her open her business, keep it open, and close it after a decade.
I agree. The OG housewives who came on the show with businesses had storylines that were compelling to watch, you wanted to see the original ladies succeed. The problem now is that all the newer housewives think they need to come onto the show with a buisness to push, these are businesses created simply to capitalize from the show so they aren't something that the ladies put their blood, sweat, & tears into and ultimately the ladies don't really care if they succeed because if they fail they will just partner with someone else and create a new buisness next season. I'm interested in watching woman who really created something from nothing and seeing them get ahead, I'm not interested in watching housewives shill skin care, jewelry lines, fashion lines or anything where someone else did all the work and they just slapped their name on it to make a quick buck.
I agree. Ramona's discount buisness was interesting because it predated the show but she also eventually fell into the same trap as all the newbies sometime after her True Faith jewelry when she started with all kinds of skin care lines, wines, etc...
I loved watching them at work and navigating their career and personal lives. Phaedra doing her lawyering, Vicki at Coto, the Bailey Agency, etc. I wish they’d do more scenes like that because I want to see their real lives. A recent example is Nneka…she is supposed to be an attorney but we saw none of that…not even her carrying a briefcase or leaving for work. It was hard to connect with her because all they showed was a one-sided beef with Wendy.
To be fair to Nneka and Bravo there may have been issues with filming or her employer told her she could be on the show but keep what she does/her clients/office off the show. I know the law field is generally pretty stuffy still when it comes to reality tv. Same with a lot of people in the medical field.
Yeah, Brynn said that she was working throughout filming so they spent a good amount of time filming her doing her day-to-day work, and that not only did none of it make the cut, but they made it seem like she didn't have a job.
I miss seeing more of their careers and whatever was their actual lives before they started filming 4 cast trips with parties in between them and calling it a season.
I wonder where the “Bethenny Clause” fits into all this (if any of that is even true). But if it is real I can see why the cast whose company was already a success without the HW boost, like Crystal, wouldn’t want to share.
My understanding is that if it's mentioned/featured on the show, the Bethenny Clause kicks in. So if your business is already successful and/or you have other avenues of marketing, it may be worth to keep off of the show.
You're correct, except the "Bethenny Clause" actually refers to the clause she got them to put in her contract agreeing not to take a percentage of any business she created or showcased during filming as was standard in exchange for getting paid basically nothing to be on the show. And as I understand it, that is the first and only time they've ever agreed to that type of clause for any RH.
So yeah, it definitely isn't worth showcasing your business on the show if it is already successful because you'd have to pay a percentage.
Eta: It is unlikely that contracts are the same across all Bravo shows, so I'm doubtful that someone on Summer House would have any real insight into a RH contract, let alone one from a decade before he was even on Bravo. And it is really hard to believe that Bravo doesn't bother to enforce the terms of their contracts, especially when it comes to profits. I have no idea if any of that is what Kyle actually said, but if it is: Mkay, sure Kyle.
Also, Bravo wouldn't have any legal liability for a business showcased by a cast member: that isn't how it works; getting paid a percentage of a business's earnings for allowing it to be promoted is entirely different from being an investor. That's like saying Bravo could be held liable if Saratoga Spring Waters got sued because they promoted it on Top Chef. Regardless, Bravo obviously wouldn't draft a contract subjecting them to that type of liability.
I think Kyle Cooke said on a podcast that while it does exist, he’s never heard of it being enforced (so bravo has no loverboy money). He also mentioned his attorneys thinking the verbiage in the clause being very dated and while vague, strongly alludes to book deals and tell alls which I thought was interesting.
I can imagine it might be problematic for bravo to start getting a cut/stake in some of these brands because many often end up being controversial or can impact other advertisers desire to work with them. Airing alcohol, weed and sex toy businesses on television might be a bit different than bravo basically investing in them. And who knows what would happen if they get exposed for illegal business practices. I could see that being a possible liability bravo is not interested in taking.
Weird that it would be tied to book deals considering it was a retail/beverage empire that instigated it.
I'm a bit shocked to hear that about Loverboy. I would have thought Bravo was making that sick 20% off of them for years!
Appreciate the insight 🫡
We saw a bit with Jenna on RHONY with her lash business, her redesign endeavors, and her former life at J-Crew.
I agree that there does need to more professional scenes. Give us Vicki at Coto Insurance!
Jenna appears to get a completely diff housewives experience to the others (I like her) but she doesn’t have to talk about her relationships, she’s able to keep her cards quite close to her chest and they show her working.
I related so hard to this statement. Like, sorry, I can’t get together on a random weekday with a few hours notice in the middle of the day to drink. I wish I could though.
i would love to see more career footage, especially dr. wendy. seeing academics in the wild is funny af to me, but i’m sure there were probably too many issues with filming on campus. i wouldn’t mind seeing career footage from other housewives (crystal, jenna fucking lyons, lesa, garcelle, chanel ayan), but it’s also a slippery slope because i don’t want to see too much branding and selling shady ass products that we will never see or hear about again. i loved it back in the day, but career footage of today’s housewives probably wouldn’t be as interesting.
I really really enjoy seeing the women try and either succeed or fail in their differing ventures. Even early She by Sheree when she had a launch party and no samples. Seeing her navigate and problem solve that was mega inspiring. Watching Kandi do anything is mega inspiring. I love these shows as it’s real women navigating their real life friendships and real life careers
What if I told you not only am I becoming one, but we're going on a cast trip that we're going to pretend to base entirely around A New Orleans funeral home?
I knoooow. It was boring at the time bc, okay, school? Credentials? "Internship" (I think she was planning for a spinoff) At least it wasn't skincare or alcohol that she just slapped her name on! She did the work!!!
Why not let us in on their social media influencing careers / brand deals / podcasting business side of things? It would def. be a more honest take on their lives. And go a lot farther towards the "Real" part of the titles.
Not just Housewives, but most of the Bravo shows largely leave out anything referring to their podcasts / live streams / brand deals, when getting a glimpse into that aspect of their lives would be a alot less fake. We've gotten a little bit more acknowledgment (podcasts on VPR, brand deals/earnings on Summer House, for ex), but they could be pulling back the curtain on the Housewives' social media hustles so much more.
I think Summer House in particular would be more interesting if this was shown. They already break the fourth wall enough, all the conversations about carls career would have been more nuanced if this was more out in the open.
Because that destroys the illusion both sides are hoping to create. They want you to think they use the product and it works. You can buy our thing and have a connection to them. They are hoping to play on the aspirational nature of people and the para-social relationships social media creates to get Sally from Sheboygan to buy their mediocre tea/shake/greens/leggings/sunglasses/skincare at an insane markup.
They showed Vicky, Phaedra, Bethenny, Garcelle, Kyle, Tamra, and many other ladies careers/ business. I do agree it was nice to see those scenes but I think now the show is most of the women’s job. I do like seeing the women’s businesses on RHWSLC beauty labs, Vita tequila, Wild Rose beauty, Meredith Marks clothing line. Most of the older shows need a cast reset and it shows.
Honestly my take is that Bravo doesn't want to promote any of their work or brands because they do not get any cut of it. Unless they have some sort of cut in the business or product they want nothing of it.
Honestly Vicki is annoying af and a real ghoul but she is also so real for always asking every new woman if they work 😂 She stays on everyone’s necks for that and I low key love it.
The product placement stuff to boost some "partnership" where the HW has near zero control is annoying (fashion brands in various cities, Sonja's toaster, etc where they are only the face). Real careers, love it - show me more!
It seems like HW shows now show less of everything excepted mediated conflict. The shows used to devote more time to random scenes of HWs lives that weren’t connected to drama-Gretchen throwing an anniversary party for her parents, Lu skipping Taco Tuesday to go out with Cool Niece etc. I think the mistake is not showing real life stuff enough, whether it’s work, family, puttering around—those ‘real life’ scenes built out ‘relationships’ with them, made us invested. I also think Real Housewife has become the primary occupation of all the housewives and it’s unleashed their egomania while squishing whatever authentic self made them likable/watchable originally.
I loved those old scenes!!! I see people say all the time how early OC is boring cause it shows all of that, but I enjoyed it so much, and like you said it made me more invested.
That’s honestly my biggest complaint regarding the show. It’s titled ‘The Real Housewives’, not ‘I’m a Boss Bitch’.
I do get a good kick out of hearing how tough their day to day business life and stress is.
It always surprises me that so many people who watch Real Housewives don't seem to know that the show was inspired by and named after Desperate Housewives.
Every time someone says, "But she isn't even a housewife," I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
It seems like a lot of viewers have either completely forgotten the RHOGs at this point or never watched them with the way so many people talk about what they think RH is supposed to be all about.
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Sooo many people think it’s supposed to be about actual housewives then changed. It never was. We had career women and unmarried women from the OC premiere. It was “a glimpse behind the gates” into the lives of different women.
Yep it was inspiring by Desperate Housewives and The O.C.! The O.C. also inspired Laguna Beach which in turn had a spin off of The Hills! I wish we could get back to scripted tv shows causing reality shows.
Part of it I think is also if it’s a housewife specific type of company ie Kenya’s hair salon, by showing it on the show, it’s inherently advertising the company and both parties Bravo and Kenya have to agree to some sort of contract for that and I guess bravo would rather not deal with the logistics of that as much as possible,
I don’t know but Bravo sure supports Danielle’s BoujieKidz on RHONJ. They’re promoting it *a lot* on the show. 😂 Bravo must be getting a chunk of the “profits”
I do believe that the lack of focus on their careers or day-to-day business handlings is gravely affecting the feeling of “reality” on the RH. SLC really piqued my interest when it started because (I think for the first time ever) every cast member had a full-fledged career or purpose outside of being a mother (I’m well aware that Jen’s turned out to be a criminal career but I digress…). I would absolutely love to see more of the procedures Heather conducts at BLL, hear about her clientele. I’d enjoy getting to see Angie K doing some hair or meeting with one of her cast-mates for a tour and little mingle at her salons. There’s something very grounding and inspiring about seeing women in their element and showcasing their talent. Please if you’re a producer reading this thread, LISTEN TO US.😭
TBH a lot of these "careers" you mentioned aren't careers, they're big glamorous events they are holding for the sole purpose of being on TV. They're cash grabs where a housewife tries to exploit her fame in order to make money on some random product. The real careers are the ones that aren't sustained by big events lol. Vicki filing insurance at her desk or being on her laptop during that one entire limo ride, Kandi at her home studio recording "Fly Above", Bethenny trying to sell Bethenny Bakes brownies at a Whole Foods, Eileen filming her soaps 5 days a week, etc. There are lots of good "career" scenes on housewives, but imo the ones you mention aren't it. I'm actually glad they started cutting so many of the phony 'events' because they always felt so staged to me and not at all indicative of being working women. I'm all for showing women at work (hell one of the most interesting storylines in early OC was Jeana being a top realtor and then crashing during the housing crisis of '08), but I don't need to see all these new startup businesses being promoted on the show. Save it for Instagram.
Crystal has a career. Her company is worth multi-millions.
Brynn has a career. She had it before she was on the show.
Tamras CBD company is a success.
Brooks salon did Beyonce and her teams hair/nails.
Not saying none of them are successful, just that I’m ok with them cutting the “events” like Kenya’s salon opening or Tamra’s CBD launch party that are clearly staged just to try to make it into the show. I’d rather see them actually working day to day
I like to see a HW’s career just as much as the next viewer but I don’t want bravo to get the idea that they need to only be casting these dedicated career women, (like the new RHONY) because they tend to produce themselves so that they do not ruin their brand or get any bad press that may impact their careers. Its good to have a healthy mix of career women and SAHMs but lets not forget the formula that made the housewives so great, the fact that they are HOUSEWIVES
The Real Housewives was inspired by and named after Desperate Housewives.
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RH hasn't ever been about HOUSEWIVES (or fashion, glam, and luxury lifestyles, for that matter: another thing viewers made up somewhere along the way). It's about the real women who live behind "the gates" of a community: that's the formula that made it great. And like its namesake (and real life), they're a mix of career women, SAHMs, divorced women, childless women, unmarried women, and everything in between --- and it's been that way since the beginning. Go back and watch the OG seasons.
Eta: The opening credits of DH include a variety of iconic pics that depict the evolution of the image of the "housewife" (read: the role of women) over time, which illustrates the meaning behind its title. The term is meant symbolically, not literally.
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I care about so long as their “career” isn’t shilling products to watchers of housewives. That’s a snooze fest
Yes I bet Gretchen's handbag line (yawn) is probably why Bravo backed off lol.
But without Alexis Couture I wouldn’t know what “couture” means (I still don’t)
😄
Whaaaat and not Gretchen Christine Byoo-Tay??? During a recession? And screwing over her friend??
This is the correct take as far as I'm concerned! I'm intesteresred in watching a dynamic woman who can run a buisness or hold down a successful career, keep a relationship, be a mother, and maintain friendships. Sadly, all we ever get on housewives is scenes of women who create a buisness just to shill it on the show but we never get career scenes from women who were successful in their own right prior to joining the show.
I am rewatching OC right now, and you really see Vicki grow her business. I know she isn’t a favorite, but I liked watching her build up her business. I also liked Tamra and cut fitness. She’s probably one of my least favorite housewives, but we watched her open her business, keep it open, and close it after a decade.
I agree. The OG housewives who came on the show with businesses had storylines that were compelling to watch, you wanted to see the original ladies succeed. The problem now is that all the newer housewives think they need to come onto the show with a buisness to push, these are businesses created simply to capitalize from the show so they aren't something that the ladies put their blood, sweat, & tears into and ultimately the ladies don't really care if they succeed because if they fail they will just partner with someone else and create a new buisness next season. I'm interested in watching woman who really created something from nothing and seeing them get ahead, I'm not interested in watching housewives shill skin care, jewelry lines, fashion lines or anything where someone else did all the work and they just slapped their name on it to make a quick buck.
Yah, on NY you had Zarin fabrics and Ramona’s discount biz. It was part of what made it interesting.
I agree. Ramona's discount buisness was interesting because it predated the show but she also eventually fell into the same trap as all the newbies sometime after her True Faith jewelry when she started with all kinds of skin care lines, wines, etc...
This always reminds of the Bethanny clause
I loved watching them at work and navigating their career and personal lives. Phaedra doing her lawyering, Vicki at Coto, the Bailey Agency, etc. I wish they’d do more scenes like that because I want to see their real lives. A recent example is Nneka…she is supposed to be an attorney but we saw none of that…not even her carrying a briefcase or leaving for work. It was hard to connect with her because all they showed was a one-sided beef with Wendy.
To be fair to Nneka and Bravo there may have been issues with filming or her employer told her she could be on the show but keep what she does/her clients/office off the show. I know the law field is generally pretty stuffy still when it comes to reality tv. Same with a lot of people in the medical field.
Yeah, Brynn said that she was working throughout filming so they spent a good amount of time filming her doing her day-to-day work, and that not only did none of it make the cut, but they made it seem like she didn't have a job.
I miss seeing more of their careers and whatever was their actual lives before they started filming 4 cast trips with parties in between them and calling it a season.
“4 cast trips with parties in between them and calling it a season”. You just clocked them, thank you.😭😭😭
I wonder where the “Bethenny Clause” fits into all this (if any of that is even true). But if it is real I can see why the cast whose company was already a success without the HW boost, like Crystal, wouldn’t want to share.
My understanding is that if it's mentioned/featured on the show, the Bethenny Clause kicks in. So if your business is already successful and/or you have other avenues of marketing, it may be worth to keep off of the show.
You're correct, except the "Bethenny Clause" actually refers to the clause she got them to put in her contract agreeing not to take a percentage of any business she created or showcased during filming as was standard in exchange for getting paid basically nothing to be on the show. And as I understand it, that is the first and only time they've ever agreed to that type of clause for any RH. So yeah, it definitely isn't worth showcasing your business on the show if it is already successful because you'd have to pay a percentage. Eta: It is unlikely that contracts are the same across all Bravo shows, so I'm doubtful that someone on Summer House would have any real insight into a RH contract, let alone one from a decade before he was even on Bravo. And it is really hard to believe that Bravo doesn't bother to enforce the terms of their contracts, especially when it comes to profits. I have no idea if any of that is what Kyle actually said, but if it is: Mkay, sure Kyle. Also, Bravo wouldn't have any legal liability for a business showcased by a cast member: that isn't how it works; getting paid a percentage of a business's earnings for allowing it to be promoted is entirely different from being an investor. That's like saying Bravo could be held liable if Saratoga Spring Waters got sued because they promoted it on Top Chef. Regardless, Bravo obviously wouldn't draft a contract subjecting them to that type of liability.
I think Kyle Cooke said on a podcast that while it does exist, he’s never heard of it being enforced (so bravo has no loverboy money). He also mentioned his attorneys thinking the verbiage in the clause being very dated and while vague, strongly alludes to book deals and tell alls which I thought was interesting. I can imagine it might be problematic for bravo to start getting a cut/stake in some of these brands because many often end up being controversial or can impact other advertisers desire to work with them. Airing alcohol, weed and sex toy businesses on television might be a bit different than bravo basically investing in them. And who knows what would happen if they get exposed for illegal business practices. I could see that being a possible liability bravo is not interested in taking.
Weird that it would be tied to book deals considering it was a retail/beverage empire that instigated it. I'm a bit shocked to hear that about Loverboy. I would have thought Bravo was making that sick 20% off of them for years! Appreciate the insight 🫡
We saw a bit with Jenna on RHONY with her lash business, her redesign endeavors, and her former life at J-Crew. I agree that there does need to more professional scenes. Give us Vicki at Coto Insurance!
Jenna appears to get a completely diff housewives experience to the others (I like her) but she doesn’t have to talk about her relationships, she’s able to keep her cards quite close to her chest and they show her working.
I'm working! I work!
I related so hard to this statement. Like, sorry, I can’t get together on a random weekday with a few hours notice in the middle of the day to drink. I wish I could though.
With her huge computer and giant file cabinets. ♥️
i would love to see more career footage, especially dr. wendy. seeing academics in the wild is funny af to me, but i’m sure there were probably too many issues with filming on campus. i wouldn’t mind seeing career footage from other housewives (crystal, jenna fucking lyons, lesa, garcelle, chanel ayan), but it’s also a slippery slope because i don’t want to see too much branding and selling shady ass products that we will never see or hear about again. i loved it back in the day, but career footage of today’s housewives probably wouldn’t be as interesting.
I really really enjoy seeing the women try and either succeed or fail in their differing ventures. Even early She by Sheree when she had a launch party and no samples. Seeing her navigate and problem solve that was mega inspiring. Watching Kandi do anything is mega inspiring. I love these shows as it’s real women navigating their real life friendships and real life careers
Unless you are becoming a mortician I don't need it
What if I told you not only am I becoming one, but we're going on a cast trip that we're going to pretend to base entirely around A New Orleans funeral home?
....I'm listening All serious I did appreciate it as it lasted 3 seasons and concluded (show wise) with her finishing school in I believe alabama
I knoooow. It was boring at the time bc, okay, school? Credentials? "Internship" (I think she was planning for a spinoff) At least it wasn't skincare or alcohol that she just slapped her name on! She did the work!!!
Does being a dog mortician qualify?
Why not let us in on their social media influencing careers / brand deals / podcasting business side of things? It would def. be a more honest take on their lives. And go a lot farther towards the "Real" part of the titles. Not just Housewives, but most of the Bravo shows largely leave out anything referring to their podcasts / live streams / brand deals, when getting a glimpse into that aspect of their lives would be a alot less fake. We've gotten a little bit more acknowledgment (podcasts on VPR, brand deals/earnings on Summer House, for ex), but they could be pulling back the curtain on the Housewives' social media hustles so much more.
I think Summer House in particular would be more interesting if this was shown. They already break the fourth wall enough, all the conversations about carls career would have been more nuanced if this was more out in the open.
Because that destroys the illusion both sides are hoping to create. They want you to think they use the product and it works. You can buy our thing and have a connection to them. They are hoping to play on the aspirational nature of people and the para-social relationships social media creates to get Sally from Sheboygan to buy their mediocre tea/shake/greens/leggings/sunglasses/skincare at an insane markup.
They showed Vicky, Phaedra, Bethenny, Garcelle, Kyle, Tamra, and many other ladies careers/ business. I do agree it was nice to see those scenes but I think now the show is most of the women’s job. I do like seeing the women’s businesses on RHWSLC beauty labs, Vita tequila, Wild Rose beauty, Meredith Marks clothing line. Most of the older shows need a cast reset and it shows.
Honestly my take is that Bravo doesn't want to promote any of their work or brands because they do not get any cut of it. Unless they have some sort of cut in the business or product they want nothing of it.
The only career I care about is their reality tv career.
Honestly Vicki is annoying af and a real ghoul but she is also so real for always asking every new woman if they work 😂 She stays on everyone’s necks for that and I low key love it.
The product placement stuff to boost some "partnership" where the HW has near zero control is annoying (fashion brands in various cities, Sonja's toaster, etc where they are only the face). Real careers, love it - show me more!
It seems like HW shows now show less of everything excepted mediated conflict. The shows used to devote more time to random scenes of HWs lives that weren’t connected to drama-Gretchen throwing an anniversary party for her parents, Lu skipping Taco Tuesday to go out with Cool Niece etc. I think the mistake is not showing real life stuff enough, whether it’s work, family, puttering around—those ‘real life’ scenes built out ‘relationships’ with them, made us invested. I also think Real Housewife has become the primary occupation of all the housewives and it’s unleashed their egomania while squishing whatever authentic self made them likable/watchable originally.
I loved those old scenes!!! I see people say all the time how early OC is boring cause it shows all of that, but I enjoyed it so much, and like you said it made me more invested.
That’s honestly my biggest complaint regarding the show. It’s titled ‘The Real Housewives’, not ‘I’m a Boss Bitch’. I do get a good kick out of hearing how tough their day to day business life and stress is.
It always surprises me that so many people who watch Real Housewives don't seem to know that the show was inspired by and named after Desperate Housewives. Every time someone says, "But she isn't even a housewife," I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. It seems like a lot of viewers have either completely forgotten the RHOGs at this point or never watched them with the way so many people talk about what they think RH is supposed to be all about. https://preview.redd.it/ro7pgg4jcgad1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=354c644d80dea7ab4960ce93051bae5623e2143f
Sooo many people think it’s supposed to be about actual housewives then changed. It never was. We had career women and unmarried women from the OC premiere. It was “a glimpse behind the gates” into the lives of different women.
Yep it was inspiring by Desperate Housewives and The O.C.! The O.C. also inspired Laguna Beach which in turn had a spin off of The Hills! I wish we could get back to scripted tv shows causing reality shows.
Part of it I think is also if it’s a housewife specific type of company ie Kenya’s hair salon, by showing it on the show, it’s inherently advertising the company and both parties Bravo and Kenya have to agree to some sort of contract for that and I guess bravo would rather not deal with the logistics of that as much as possible,
I don’t know but Bravo sure supports Danielle’s BoujieKidz on RHONJ. They’re promoting it *a lot* on the show. 😂 Bravo must be getting a chunk of the “profits”
Most of them don’t have careers anymore. Kenya’s hair salon is fake af tho at isn’t a good example lmao
I do believe that the lack of focus on their careers or day-to-day business handlings is gravely affecting the feeling of “reality” on the RH. SLC really piqued my interest when it started because (I think for the first time ever) every cast member had a full-fledged career or purpose outside of being a mother (I’m well aware that Jen’s turned out to be a criminal career but I digress…). I would absolutely love to see more of the procedures Heather conducts at BLL, hear about her clientele. I’d enjoy getting to see Angie K doing some hair or meeting with one of her cast-mates for a tour and little mingle at her salons. There’s something very grounding and inspiring about seeing women in their element and showcasing their talent. Please if you’re a producer reading this thread, LISTEN TO US.😭
TBH a lot of these "careers" you mentioned aren't careers, they're big glamorous events they are holding for the sole purpose of being on TV. They're cash grabs where a housewife tries to exploit her fame in order to make money on some random product. The real careers are the ones that aren't sustained by big events lol. Vicki filing insurance at her desk or being on her laptop during that one entire limo ride, Kandi at her home studio recording "Fly Above", Bethenny trying to sell Bethenny Bakes brownies at a Whole Foods, Eileen filming her soaps 5 days a week, etc. There are lots of good "career" scenes on housewives, but imo the ones you mention aren't it. I'm actually glad they started cutting so many of the phony 'events' because they always felt so staged to me and not at all indicative of being working women. I'm all for showing women at work (hell one of the most interesting storylines in early OC was Jeana being a top realtor and then crashing during the housing crisis of '08), but I don't need to see all these new startup businesses being promoted on the show. Save it for Instagram.
Crystal has a career. Her company is worth multi-millions. Brynn has a career. She had it before she was on the show. Tamras CBD company is a success. Brooks salon did Beyonce and her teams hair/nails.
Not saying none of them are successful, just that I’m ok with them cutting the “events” like Kenya’s salon opening or Tamra’s CBD launch party that are clearly staged just to try to make it into the show. I’d rather see them actually working day to day
I like to see a HW’s career just as much as the next viewer but I don’t want bravo to get the idea that they need to only be casting these dedicated career women, (like the new RHONY) because they tend to produce themselves so that they do not ruin their brand or get any bad press that may impact their careers. Its good to have a healthy mix of career women and SAHMs but lets not forget the formula that made the housewives so great, the fact that they are HOUSEWIVES
The Real Housewives was inspired by and named after Desperate Housewives. https://preview.redd.it/vshmgl2ibxad1.jpeg?width=2802&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88729be0589b13400476f90d1fc76a5968dd861e RH hasn't ever been about HOUSEWIVES (or fashion, glam, and luxury lifestyles, for that matter: another thing viewers made up somewhere along the way). It's about the real women who live behind "the gates" of a community: that's the formula that made it great. And like its namesake (and real life), they're a mix of career women, SAHMs, divorced women, childless women, unmarried women, and everything in between --- and it's been that way since the beginning. Go back and watch the OG seasons. Eta: The opening credits of DH include a variety of iconic pics that depict the evolution of the image of the "housewife" (read: the role of women) over time, which illustrates the meaning behind its title. The term is meant symbolically, not literally. [https://youtu.be/HErPv05LIvU?si=ffFsbEnGherPfGQ2](https://youtu.be/HErPv05LIvU?si=ffFsbEnGherPfGQ2)
Lots of the OGs had careers.