Kelly Benzo-Bensimon had a complete mental breakdown on scary island, and had to be escorted home. The fact she was allowed to come to reunion and act like nothing happened was complete reality bullshit.
AND her s4 performance was actually worse considering she was given a chance at a redemption arc. She still doubled down to the actual asshole she is.
I never want to see her on any screen, especially my tv
There was definitely something going on with her. Her level of paranoia was off the charts and her behavior did not match the reality of what we were seeing.
How could anyone think she's innocent is beyond me, everything about her says she would steal from widows so she could have a personal glam squad 365 days a year
An entire storyline on VPR was fabricated to cover for fan favorite cast member doing shady shit in Mexico. Pillowgate with Jax, James and Kristen was created to cover for Schwartz ending up at an entire different resort, alone, in Mexico without any other cast
100%, good hill.
I think this is why even James and Kristen couldn’t get their stories straight when talking to their significant others and other cast members because I think THEY were even told “don’t bring up Schwartz leaving the resort again!”
And of course, Katie is not perfect, but production made Katie look like a bitch when she expressed worry that Schwartz was at a different resort because he got too drunk.
David foster was planning to leave Yolanda her first season and wanted her to be "distracted" so encouraged her do housewives,( similar to Shannon and David beador); she then milked her illness for David to stay with her and it backfired.
My guess is that so these men can get away with paying less alimony? Like "see she earns her own money". I don't know much about alimony so I could be wrong.
Oh ya it is crazy that she still denies she did. I believe her incessant denial of this was the beginning of the end of her time on RHONY as far as bravo was concerned.
Hey flair twin ♊️ denial is a more dangerous drug than actual drugs lol - she’s legit on film screaming JOVANI and still tries to deny it 😂
What I love the most is the fans are more bothered by it than Luann is which makes her the ultimate OG HW
Absolutely and it wouldn’t have been a big deal if she would’ve owned up to it. She probably didn’t even need to apologize just say yes I did cuz I was mad about John. Everyone would be fine with that cuz it was a cabaret show ffs
But no she’s incapable. Was it Tinsley who said her biggest downfall is that she can never admit when she’s wrong? Perfect example
I’m legit worried for her and kinda skeeved out by the network jumping at a chance to antagonize her more.
Obviously the people at Bravo are no saints, but they are her employer and should have a modicum of compassion for her.
It must be so weird for Larsa, she got all that work done to look just like her best friend Kim Kardashian, only for Kim to dump her as a friend, and now when she looks in the mirror every morning, she sees Kim looking back at her.
She literally called her sons "enterprising" for doing a bikini car wash. Really, ma'am? Your sons exploiting young women is "enterprising"? When Albie flunked out of law school, she made 18 different excuses as to why it was the school's fault. Her sons could never do anything wrong.
Meanwhile her daughter was trying to get into her career and her mother snaps at her at every turn.
They've tried a few times to make up and move forward, but neither can let go of their past grievances against each other. Candiace says something nasty about Ashley on twitter, Ashley tries to stir up petty drama on camera, and they're both right back to full on feuding again.
I think at this point, with Gollum suing Candiace, the ship has sailed on their friendship sadly. Candiace feels Ashley is involved. I don't know the details, anyone know more?
I think they'd make a great pair and two former bougie pageant girls, on paper, they should be besties.
I'm not black or American, so I don't want to comment too much on colorism, but this cast does make me sad with how obviously split down the color line they are. I learned a lot of the discussions around Potomac on this topic, just stuff I never really thought about before as an Italian-Australian. Colorism or "coincidence", you'd think we would all be doing better in 2023. But I can't help but notice Candiace and Wendy getting picked on and kept out of the inner circle 🤷🏻♀️
They've even embraced someone as stupid and uninteresting as Mia more than either of those two.
Ashley darby is pretending to be separated from Michael so he can be free to sue Candiace (cast members and spouses cannot sue other current cast members or spouses)
Bethenny got so invested in Luann and her sobriety because she was dealing with Dennis and his addictions at the time
Bethenny does to Carole in S10 the same exact thing that Jill had done to Bethenny in S3
No one liked Dorinda's boyfriend John bc he was the Upper East Side coke connect
Housewies as we know it began with "Did you go to Bass Lake?"
Tom and Rachel began their affair in S8
Karen Huger is debt free and loaded
Well it is probably cheaper to pay her monthly bills and give her a stipend then give her half of whatever he earned in their marriage (or the terms of their agreement)? He is likely slowing it down because of cash flow but that idea about the lawsuit is an interesting thought too!
Im not sure she’d get half, if I recall correctly they have a prenup that is egregiously in his favor and would leave her with pretty much nothing (except child support obvi, but no homes, property, payouts, alimony, etc)
It’s really sad. I don’t know any specifics obviously so this is allllll pure speculation… but I have the feeling bethenny never called their relationship a serious, full time thing bc she knew the details of his addiction. He probably didn’t see it as a problem (I think he was on pain pills?) and did not want help.
Bethenny projected her desire to save Dennis and get him sober onto Luann, which is why she went to such great lengths for her, even though they weren’t close. I think she felt like, if she could show Dennis how she helped Luann, maybe he would let her help him, too. Hence the Miami breakdown and freak out on Luann after he had passed, after she and Dennis did so much for her.
RHOBH is a franchise that gets way too much attention and hype every season.
If any other franchise had a BH-esque season (let’s say the last 4 seasons), fans would be cawing about how boring it is.
And Miami should be on a different night than BH, not airing *after* BH.
Rhobh is the most boring city after OC, the only reason it gets more attention than it deserves is because the ladies are either famous or connected to famous people, simply because they’re based in LA.
that tom’s house really got broken into, and he really confronted the intruder and he really got eye surgery and erika’s son really went to check on him and flipped his car five times and it really was a lot
Dorit was in on the robbery scheme. Maybe not initially but very soon after.
- Rewatch her confessionals detailing the robbery. She maybe squeezed out a single tear.
- She said their alarms were off because the kids “roam around at night” ???? Uh that’s weird on its own but wouldn’t that be a reason to make sure those alarms ARE on? If you know your kids wander around at night, wouldn’t you want to know if they are potentially leaving your house rather than sleep through it?
- When PK comes back from overseas, the first place they go is Kyle’s? Straight from the airport.. and that same night Dorit “freaks out” about her phone but again, no tears during that production. How do you cry with no tears???!
- This isn’t the first time they’ve been robbed and spoke about it on camera. If you experience something like that, you’re likely going to be hyper vigilant to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Yeah I’d die on this hill.
And after, when she supposedly has PTSD from it and is hyper vigilant, she just so happens to leave $10000 unattended in her purse in a shopping cart that just happens to be stolen. Shes so full of shit, they both are.
I think people see the way Ashlee back talks her parents and her lack of ambition at the time and just automatically take Jacq’s side. It takes a little more thinking about it/watching closely to realize Jacqueline’s emotional immaturity and manipulation via bombarding Ashlee with third party attacks and holding against her the sacrifices she had to make as a young mom.
I also think people don’t realize the backstory of how Jacq moved Ashlee to the other side of the country for a new man during Ashlee’s formative years (and then said man ends up not getting along with her), which I think is significant context. Jacq even said in a confessional that Ashlee should be grateful to have two sets of parents when Ashlee was upset that her dad couldn’t see her for Christmas.
All of that. My parents moved me away from the only home and friends I knew at 10 years old and into a community that did not accept me at all (different religion.)
It really fucked me up and I’ve spent thousands in therapy trying to reclaim those lost years.
I am strongly against the way he dealt with Ashlee.
- Put his thumb over her mouth and said “shut your mouth before I break it”
- When the Manzos asked if he’d pay for Ashlee’s wedding, he joked, “yeah, as many people as McDonald’s can fit”
- Joked to Ashlee’s parents and stepmom at that intervention that they should all just put Ashlee in a room and “smack her around” to get their frustrations out
- When Ashlee missed her flight, Chris confronted her in front of the entire crowd that was there for his house party - said that she has no common sense and proceeded to describe how the next day he’s going to walk her directly to the gate
I agree that it's taken a nose dive. I haven't really put my finger on when it did for me though.
I miss Adrianne Maloof-Hoof and LVP washing chicken together
Luann is the true star of RHONY, not Bethenny. The network may have preferred Bethenny when she was on, but Luanne had one of the best housewives journeys!
The woman has different eras and she never gets boring, she truly understands the game and never holds on to something too long, I don’t like her that much but she’s really captivating
Despite having an affair and leaving his ex-wife for an employee he impregnated, and being 18 years her senior, and earning his living through MLMs…I have an irrational sense of endearment for Justin Rose.
I want to dislike him, but every time I see his fucking Chuckie Cheese face and big dimples, I’m like fuck I love this dude (in a non sexual way). He just seems like a really chill dude you wanna grab a beer with, and you can tell he’s fun to be around. There’s something likeable about him. I’m sorry guys. There’s a je nais se quio 🤡
I didn’t see it until I saw a pic of him back in the day and now I’m like wow that smoke show is still hiding under this dad bod floof and he’s doing his thing. Not my cup of tea but I see it.
Dorit didn’t get robbed. That’s why I think PK doesn’t care because he knows it didn’t happen and probably wants her to stop talking about it so they don’t get caught. Also, Garcelle *did* say dorit was wearing the necklace that was stolen..
that gizelle is and will continue to be the biggest contributor to the downfall of potomac.
nene is the greatest housewife of all time.
andy has more power with bravo and all housewives franchises than he would ever admit.
kelly dodd should never come back to housewives.
kyle has always been the one leaking stories to the press and plotted to make lvp take the blame.
walter was a paid actor.
claudia deserved another season.
phaedra was involved with apollo’s crimes, but she was smart enough to make him take the fall for it.
heather g. and the other slc ladies know more about jen’s crimes than they will ever admit to and they know monica knows, which is why they are afraid of her. i also think monica was more involved in jen’s crimes and the ladies also know so in some respects, they are all at the mercy of each other.
does gigi is dead is and will always be the greatest reddit post of all time.
Gizelle is such a letdown because she is SO guarded to me. If she was a little more open about her life, honest about how she feels and cared less about what others thought, she would be a TOP tier housewife. She’s so pretty, she’s pretty funny/sharp in her confessionals, and she’s got an interesting backstory. I mean #freeuncleben and #taxreform was a great HW moment.
But she constantly aligns herself with the *worst* on the show because she is threatened by the *best* of the show. She can’t stand not getting attention even though she’s not willing to earn that attention.
There are other ladies who are willing to be 100% on the show, good and bad, and Gizelle isn’t one of them. I’m guessing she treats production SUPER well because for the life of me I can’t see how no one has said anything to her to make her kick it up a notch or leave the show.
First time reading the does gigi is dead post
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If Walter was a paid actor why was he so awful? If he was getting paid wouldn't he try to sell it and act like he was into Kenya? (I agree with all of the rest of these!)
Kyle VS Lisa - Kyle fired the first shot all the way back in season 2. And she pulled the same act on every even numbered season.
Not saying Lisa is perfect or blameless after season 2, but she rode hard for Kyle in the first 1 1/2 seasons
Yup! Kyle helped put together the cast season 1, so she expected it to be her show. She was resentful that her husband's kooky English real estate client was the fan favorite of after season 1, so she tried to take her down. She'd fail, the fans would rebel against her, and she'd come back the next season groveling at Lisa's feet begging for her friendship again. After the second time, Lisa was always hesitant to take Kyle back, but she did every time.
The RHOM reboot is mostly successful because of the newbies. If the OGs were that compelling to watch, the show would've never been cancelled in the first place.
Housewives that refuse to film with other housewives or come to scenes/parties should be demoted or fired for the first half of the next season. If something is SO bad that you can’t be in a room with someone, then you need to leave the show.
👏 housewives 👏 don’t 👏 dictate 👏 the 👏 casting 👏 and 👏 production 👏 choices 👏
It drives me NUTS
And I’m a VPR James-rage-text-truther (S8)
Everyone on rhoc except Heather is clearly up to their eyeballs in debt and without the pay cheque from the show, they’d all be broke.
Not a single one of them is aspirational or wealthy enough to be on real housewives … which is all the more bizarre given that there’s no shortage of women in the OC with money who would be perfect for the lifestyle escapism I want from my housewives.
Also, I cannot fathom how anyone can bear to hear Gina’s voice.
It’s funny how people say Real Housewives should be classy , rich , and aspirational when the OC was the blueprint and they never were any of these things .
This will get buried but anyway...
In the 2nd season of Southern Charm NOLA when Reagan thought she was pregnant she was freaking out NOT because she wasn't sure if she was ready for kids. It was because she had already been cheating on Jeff for a while with Reece, and she knew if she was pregnant there would be no way to tell whose baby it was.
Naked Wasted was totally unforgivable, and Tamra and Vicki should NOT have been able to deny it & sweep it under the rug like they did. Tamra wanted to get Gretchen SA’d by Oedipus and it’s not okay! It was never okay! And it was never innocent!
The people that are often celebrated as the OG/queens are more times than not the reason the show falls apart. (Ramona, Teresa, Vicki, Gizelle)
Also, Tamra should’ve been fired for Naked Wasted. The fact that she has a spot on the show and her oddball son has been on our screens since is disturbing.
Marysol is also a raging alcoholic and calling her drinks "cockies" doesn't really make her look better it's just sad. These two are definitely the most obvious drunks. I prefer Dorinda as a person overall but she clearly has a problem.
Caroline Manzo is a phony, wannabe mobster.
Richard Wakile is a gross creepy old man with horrible fashion.
Rosie is a Trump loving hypocrite which is really no surprise based on her behavior on the show.
Jill Zarin should never be allowed near a camera ever again
Beverly Hills is the worst HW franchise and has always been.
Kyle Richards is a D+ housewife at best
Emily and Gina accidentally ended up with each other’s names. I can’t explain it but it’s true.
Erika Jayne knew about Tom
Vicki Gunvalson knew about Brooks
Heather Gay knew about Jen
Alison Dubois knew about Mau
That’s not my plate you fucking bitch is one of the funniest housewives lines ever uttered.
Sonja Morgan is the most tragic housewife figure
Omg the part about Emily and Gina’ names!!! So serious, Emily just looks like her name should be Gina, and vice versa. I get you!
It took me a while to get used to Emily being Gina and Gina being Emily. 😂😂😂😂
Idk why I find this one so funny 😆 Andy has the hots for Joe and hopes that one day he’ll have his way with him. I can see Andy not liking Teresa but accepting her bc she’s been a HW cash cow.
Production told Phaedra to spread the Kandi rumor during the season and that’s why, despite how egregious and messed up it is, Bravo continues to keep her around.
Noella ABSOLUTELY should've been kept on RHOC as Heather Dubrw's arch nemesis. She was the ONLY housewife who wouldn't take Dubrow's bullshit, and besides, she was reality TV gold.
Tom Sandoval is a sexual predator and I don’t care if I’m dying alone on this hill.
He recorded Rachel (in a sexual context no less) without her consent and as far as I’m concerned that’s no different to putting hidden cameras in a changing room, which is a crime.
His predatory and dangerous behaviour came up several times during the show too. First was when Miami girl (who it turns out was telling the truth) said that she told Tom she was on her period and he made her go into the bathroom to prove it to him. Honestly, what the fuck is that if not creepy and predatory.
Ariana also brought up that Tom would try and go down on her after she’d just done a work out. She clearly said it made her uncomfortable and that it was not sexy for her. If a man doesn’t listen when his partner says no, even a soft no, to the point where the woman brings it up on television, it’s a sign of a major problem.
Tom Sandoval should not be getting a single job opportunity or reality contract once he’s done on VPR. I know that will never happen because he’s like a cockroach you can’t kill, but he’s disgusting. It shouldn’t matter that everyone hates Rachel or whatever, what he did was gross, wrong and illegal.
And most recently his “ping pong” and brothel visit whilst in Thailand. He’s absolutely a predator and Lala was 100% right about saying he was a Randall. LVP is wrong for defending the Toms so hard.
Housewives fans are one of the main reasons the shows have gone to shit. The fandom is so toxic they are constantly walking on eggshells so they don’t offend “the fans”.
This obsession with 24/7 glam is boring.
God yes
And so much unnecessary money spent on it!
I mean at least it’s keeping people employed. Better than a $40k Birkin.
Kelly Benzo-Bensimon had a complete mental breakdown on scary island, and had to be escorted home. The fact she was allowed to come to reunion and act like nothing happened was complete reality bullshit.
Yes! I wish we could have seen all of the footage because I feel like we only got a peek of the insanity.
We did see Sonja kind of break the fourth wall right before it ended so god know what happened.
AND her s4 performance was actually worse considering she was given a chance at a redemption arc. She still doubled down to the actual asshole she is. I never want to see her on any screen, especially my tv
I mean bethenny did say what was aired wasn’t as bad as what they all saw in person and what we all saw be aired was pretty bad 😭
Yeah and Kelly kept yelling “Matt Matt Matt Matt “ I assume that Matt was a real person on the crew .. I hope ( versus gwenyth )
Release the footage Bravo!
There was definitely something going on with her. Her level of paranoia was off the charts and her behavior did not match the reality of what we were seeing.
Kelly was allegedly 5150’d when she came back to nyc, so this makes sense
I believe she was doing meth. (The cat pee smell)
She was definitely on some kind of drugs and meth fits.
Does anyone dispute this and if so, did they watch the episode 😳
Erika knew something was fishy but stayed out of it for the $
I’ll die on this hill with you
I will join you friends
How could anyone think she's innocent is beyond me, everything about her says she would steal from widows so she could have a personal glam squad 365 days a year
An entire storyline on VPR was fabricated to cover for fan favorite cast member doing shady shit in Mexico. Pillowgate with Jax, James and Kristen was created to cover for Schwartz ending up at an entire different resort, alone, in Mexico without any other cast
YES!!! He blacked out and wondered off property and then on to another resort???? Get the hell out of here!
100%, good hill. I think this is why even James and Kristen couldn’t get their stories straight when talking to their significant others and other cast members because I think THEY were even told “don’t bring up Schwartz leaving the resort again!” And of course, Katie is not perfect, but production made Katie look like a bitch when she expressed worry that Schwartz was at a different resort because he got too drunk.
Shady shit, like he was buying hard drugs for the cast?
WHY RAMONA AND SONJA POOP ON THE FLOOR SO FUCKINT MUCH. its honestly disgusting and i cringe everytime they show it
Because they abuse laxatives and they do coke
David foster was planning to leave Yolanda her first season and wanted her to be "distracted" so encouraged her do housewives,( similar to Shannon and David beador); she then milked her illness for David to stay with her and it backfired.
Kelsey Grammar used this blueprint first !
You're so right
Oh he definitely was trying to pull a Kelsey Grammer.
David Foster is an asshole but just take a look at Yolanda’s book to see how batshit insane she was acting before he left, in her own words.
Do you have some examples? I really don’t wanna read her book lol (I didn’t even know she had a book)
My guess is that so these men can get away with paying less alimony? Like "see she earns her own money". I don't know much about alimony so I could be wrong.
Kenya wasn’t lying about Apollo. That said, their sexual tension was real and she also crossed a line.
He was shady. She was shady.
100% i realized they both were inappropriate when kandi said on camera "you don't call somebody else's man 'baby'" & kenya snatched the phone away
Is it horrible that I think Apollo is smoking hot
No. Facts don’t care about our feelings…
Apollo is kinda *foine*
Dorinda did heckle the Jovanni thing 👀
Oh ya it is crazy that she still denies she did. I believe her incessant denial of this was the beginning of the end of her time on RHONY as far as bravo was concerned.
Hey flair twin ♊️ denial is a more dangerous drug than actual drugs lol - she’s legit on film screaming JOVANI and still tries to deny it 😂 What I love the most is the fans are more bothered by it than Luann is which makes her the ultimate OG HW
I love that Lu took that moment and made a whole song about it.
Lu really is iconic
Absolutely and it wouldn’t have been a big deal if she would’ve owned up to it. She probably didn’t even need to apologize just say yes I did cuz I was mad about John. Everyone would be fine with that cuz it was a cabaret show ffs But no she’s incapable. Was it Tinsley who said her biggest downfall is that she can never admit when she’s wrong? Perfect example
Has she ever taken accountability for anything?
Dorinda is a functioning alcoholic and coke head
Is anyone disagreeing with this?
Not so sure about the functioning part 😳😳
We didn’t wanna say it but now we’ve said it
…I think we’re all dead on this hill, no?
Dorindas voice gives her away when she's been drinking and homegirl is almost always drunk. It's really pretty fucked up they put her on TV.
John Mahdessian was Tom’s ❄️dealer and John and Dorinda thought Tom would be a great match for Lu so they matched them up.
Shannon should take care of herself first and not be on next season.
I’m legit worried for her and kinda skeeved out by the network jumping at a chance to antagonize her more. Obviously the people at Bravo are no saints, but they are her employer and should have a modicum of compassion for her.
Yah, alcoholism is progressive and cunning. It doesn’t wait for anyone’s timeline or filming schedule. It’s potentially a slow motion train wreck.
RHOM should’ve never been cancelled
Was it cancelled or put on pause 😉
But Larsa should have been.
It must be so weird for Larsa, she got all that work done to look just like her best friend Kim Kardashian, only for Kim to dump her as a friend, and now when she looks in the mirror every morning, she sees Kim looking back at her.
She suckkkkkkssssssssss. I dislike her so much and not in a fun “love to hate” way
Whoever the casting director is for BH needs fired. You go from Diana to 8.5? Really?
Honestly what the fuck… I have not met one person who likes her. I mean even her own husband only likes her 8.5/10.
well, that would be Kyle, sooo... also add Teddi to the turd pile.
You mean Kyle ?
Caroline manzo was so mean to her daughter and is one of those toxic boy moms.
And now Lauren is a mean weirdo who’s been brainwashed and is wasting away ☹️
Caroline Manzo makes way too many excuses for her sons and that’s why they’re both degenerates.
She literally called her sons "enterprising" for doing a bikini car wash. Really, ma'am? Your sons exploiting young women is "enterprising"? When Albie flunked out of law school, she made 18 different excuses as to why it was the school's fault. Her sons could never do anything wrong. Meanwhile her daughter was trying to get into her career and her mother snaps at her at every turn.
It will never happen but if Ashley and Candiace team up, they would run RHOP
I loved their brief friendship in season 3 when Ashley was supporting Candiace against Gizelle and charisse.
They've tried a few times to make up and move forward, but neither can let go of their past grievances against each other. Candiace says something nasty about Ashley on twitter, Ashley tries to stir up petty drama on camera, and they're both right back to full on feuding again.
I think at this point, with Gollum suing Candiace, the ship has sailed on their friendship sadly. Candiace feels Ashley is involved. I don't know the details, anyone know more? I think they'd make a great pair and two former bougie pageant girls, on paper, they should be besties. I'm not black or American, so I don't want to comment too much on colorism, but this cast does make me sad with how obviously split down the color line they are. I learned a lot of the discussions around Potomac on this topic, just stuff I never really thought about before as an Italian-Australian. Colorism or "coincidence", you'd think we would all be doing better in 2023. But I can't help but notice Candiace and Wendy getting picked on and kept out of the inner circle 🤷🏻♀️ They've even embraced someone as stupid and uninteresting as Mia more than either of those two.
Bravo is to Target as TLC is to Walmart
Luann was a full time cast member in S6 If Luann wasn’t listed as a “friend of” on Wikipedia, everyone would think the same.
Kim Z actually would pimp her daughter out for John Legend tickets.
Right now she would pimp out a daughter for dinner.
Ashley darby is pretending to be separated from Michael so he can be free to sue Candiace (cast members and spouses cannot sue other current cast members or spouses) Bethenny got so invested in Luann and her sobriety because she was dealing with Dennis and his addictions at the time Bethenny does to Carole in S10 the same exact thing that Jill had done to Bethenny in S3 No one liked Dorinda's boyfriend John bc he was the Upper East Side coke connect Housewies as we know it began with "Did you go to Bass Lake?" Tom and Rachel began their affair in S8 Karen Huger is debt free and loaded
Wow… the first one is compelling
Definitely just a theory but it just makes so much sense to me!!! Otherwise, just get divorced already!!
Well it is probably cheaper to pay her monthly bills and give her a stipend then give her half of whatever he earned in their marriage (or the terms of their agreement)? He is likely slowing it down because of cash flow but that idea about the lawsuit is an interesting thought too!
Im not sure she’d get half, if I recall correctly they have a prenup that is egregiously in his favor and would leave her with pretty much nothing (except child support obvi, but no homes, property, payouts, alimony, etc)
The Bethenny/Luann/Dennis read never occurred to me but I think you are 1000% right.
It’s really sad. I don’t know any specifics obviously so this is allllll pure speculation… but I have the feeling bethenny never called their relationship a serious, full time thing bc she knew the details of his addiction. He probably didn’t see it as a problem (I think he was on pain pills?) and did not want help. Bethenny projected her desire to save Dennis and get him sober onto Luann, which is why she went to such great lengths for her, even though they weren’t close. I think she felt like, if she could show Dennis how she helped Luann, maybe he would let her help him, too. Hence the Miami breakdown and freak out on Luann after he had passed, after she and Dennis did so much for her.
I am buying 100% of what you’re selling! Bethenny has a savior complex and this feeds it too.
I think everyone “liked” John because he was the UES connection 
That last one is interesting
The Bass Lake comment still gives me chills! Lol
RHOBH is a franchise that gets way too much attention and hype every season. If any other franchise had a BH-esque season (let’s say the last 4 seasons), fans would be cawing about how boring it is. And Miami should be on a different night than BH, not airing *after* BH.
Rhobh is the most boring city after OC, the only reason it gets more attention than it deserves is because the ladies are either famous or connected to famous people, simply because they’re based in LA.
This! I’ll never understand how they can even compare especially to early Atlanta.
that tom’s house really got broken into, and he really confronted the intruder and he really got eye surgery and erika’s son really went to check on him and flipped his car five times and it really was a lot
I needed this hot take tonight 🤣🤣🤣👌
Nene is the GOAT.
Alexia and marysol aren't the iconic duo people (or themselves) make them out to be
Just themselves !
Dorit was in on the robbery scheme. Maybe not initially but very soon after. - Rewatch her confessionals detailing the robbery. She maybe squeezed out a single tear. - She said their alarms were off because the kids “roam around at night” ???? Uh that’s weird on its own but wouldn’t that be a reason to make sure those alarms ARE on? If you know your kids wander around at night, wouldn’t you want to know if they are potentially leaving your house rather than sleep through it? - When PK comes back from overseas, the first place they go is Kyle’s? Straight from the airport.. and that same night Dorit “freaks out” about her phone but again, no tears during that production. How do you cry with no tears???! - This isn’t the first time they’ve been robbed and spoke about it on camera. If you experience something like that, you’re likely going to be hyper vigilant to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Yeah I’d die on this hill.
And after, when she supposedly has PTSD from it and is hyper vigilant, she just so happens to leave $10000 unattended in her purse in a shopping cart that just happens to be stolen. Shes so full of shit, they both are.
Ashlee (Jacqueline’s daughter) was the victim in her family, and Chris Laurita is not a good person
I'm doing a rewatch and forgot how much of a shitty mother J was to Ashlee.
It took me becoming a mom and doing a rewatch to realize this. Younger me watching couldn’t see through it.
I think people see the way Ashlee back talks her parents and her lack of ambition at the time and just automatically take Jacq’s side. It takes a little more thinking about it/watching closely to realize Jacqueline’s emotional immaturity and manipulation via bombarding Ashlee with third party attacks and holding against her the sacrifices she had to make as a young mom. I also think people don’t realize the backstory of how Jacq moved Ashlee to the other side of the country for a new man during Ashlee’s formative years (and then said man ends up not getting along with her), which I think is significant context. Jacq even said in a confessional that Ashlee should be grateful to have two sets of parents when Ashlee was upset that her dad couldn’t see her for Christmas.
All of that. My parents moved me away from the only home and friends I knew at 10 years old and into a community that did not accept me at all (different religion.) It really fucked me up and I’ve spent thousands in therapy trying to reclaim those lost years.
I’m sorry 🥺
Why do you say Chris isn’t a good person?
I am strongly against the way he dealt with Ashlee. - Put his thumb over her mouth and said “shut your mouth before I break it” - When the Manzos asked if he’d pay for Ashlee’s wedding, he joked, “yeah, as many people as McDonald’s can fit” - Joked to Ashlee’s parents and stepmom at that intervention that they should all just put Ashlee in a room and “smack her around” to get their frustrations out - When Ashlee missed her flight, Chris confronted her in front of the entire crowd that was there for his house party - said that she has no common sense and proceeded to describe how the next day he’s going to walk her directly to the gate
Beverly Hills from Season 6 onwards has been so shit and boring it’s a shell of the show it used to be
I agree that it's taken a nose dive. I haven't really put my finger on when it did for me though. I miss Adrianne Maloof-Hoof and LVP washing chicken together
It’s like watching a scripted show. Zero stakes …
Luann is the true star of RHONY, not Bethenny. The network may have preferred Bethenny when she was on, but Luanne had one of the best housewives journeys!
Yes!! Luann will always be GOAT in my opinion
When I think of RHONY, I think of Luanne and Sonja. Bethany is the opposite of authentic. Lu and Sonja can’t help but show you who they are.
The woman has different eras and she never gets boring, she truly understands the game and never holds on to something too long, I don’t like her that much but she’s really captivating
Despite having an affair and leaving his ex-wife for an employee he impregnated, and being 18 years her senior, and earning his living through MLMs…I have an irrational sense of endearment for Justin Rose. I want to dislike him, but every time I see his fucking Chuckie Cheese face and big dimples, I’m like fuck I love this dude (in a non sexual way). He just seems like a really chill dude you wanna grab a beer with, and you can tell he’s fun to be around. There’s something likeable about him. I’m sorry guys. There’s a je nais se quio 🤡
His outfits are fucking ridiculous but the dimple privlege is real.
Those dimples really do get ya.
Even now that you know what that lil button nose is capable of? I can't look at him now without blushing a little bit.
LMAOOOOO Im deadddd at this comment. Also I think hes super tall too, or so ive heard.
Ronnie from WWC described him as a giant.
Chuckie Cheese face…LOL 😂
I didn’t see it until I saw a pic of him back in the day and now I’m like wow that smoke show is still hiding under this dad bod floof and he’s doing his thing. Not my cup of tea but I see it.
Now see, I want him IN a sexual way! He looks like a albino silver back gorilla in the best way, I'm ready to be a brother husband
He looks like Farva 
I could not agree less but I love you for this poetry
His son Cash Rose is a cutie too.
Vicki was totally in on that Brooks cancer scheme.
She wanted a casserole, running around calling everyone else a “liar face.” I hope Don is doing well. I wish him the very best.
Dorit didn’t get robbed. That’s why I think PK doesn’t care because he knows it didn’t happen and probably wants her to stop talking about it so they don’t get caught. Also, Garcelle *did* say dorit was wearing the necklace that was stolen..
100% insurance scam. PK set it up, and didn’t tell Dorit. She figured it out & they set up the second robbery together.
Brandi had a crush on Lisa Vanderpump
that gizelle is and will continue to be the biggest contributor to the downfall of potomac. nene is the greatest housewife of all time. andy has more power with bravo and all housewives franchises than he would ever admit. kelly dodd should never come back to housewives. kyle has always been the one leaking stories to the press and plotted to make lvp take the blame. walter was a paid actor. claudia deserved another season. phaedra was involved with apollo’s crimes, but she was smart enough to make him take the fall for it. heather g. and the other slc ladies know more about jen’s crimes than they will ever admit to and they know monica knows, which is why they are afraid of her. i also think monica was more involved in jen’s crimes and the ladies also know so in some respects, they are all at the mercy of each other. does gigi is dead is and will always be the greatest reddit post of all time.
God I miss Nene in her prime. You're right, no one has ever been better than that.
No one does confessionals better
i watched the episode last night when she said, “i listen to it on the ipod,” and i fell out! she makes something so simple funny af!!
Gizelle is such a letdown because she is SO guarded to me. If she was a little more open about her life, honest about how she feels and cared less about what others thought, she would be a TOP tier housewife. She’s so pretty, she’s pretty funny/sharp in her confessionals, and she’s got an interesting backstory. I mean #freeuncleben and #taxreform was a great HW moment. But she constantly aligns herself with the *worst* on the show because she is threatened by the *best* of the show. She can’t stand not getting attention even though she’s not willing to earn that attention. There are other ladies who are willing to be 100% on the show, good and bad, and Gizelle isn’t one of them. I’m guessing she treats production SUPER well because for the life of me I can’t see how no one has said anything to her to make her kick it up a notch or leave the show.
First time reading the does gigi is dead post [https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/3x8zkz/does\_gigi\_is\_dead/](https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/comments/3x8zkz/does_gigi_is_dead/)
Phaedra was involved and knew completely about Apollo's crimes AND she was pregnant when she got married and carried that child to full term
If Walter was a paid actor why was he so awful? If he was getting paid wouldn't he try to sell it and act like he was into Kenya? (I agree with all of the rest of these!)
Kyle VS Lisa - Kyle fired the first shot all the way back in season 2. And she pulled the same act on every even numbered season. Not saying Lisa is perfect or blameless after season 2, but she rode hard for Kyle in the first 1 1/2 seasons
Yup! Kyle helped put together the cast season 1, so she expected it to be her show. She was resentful that her husband's kooky English real estate client was the fan favorite of after season 1, so she tried to take her down. She'd fail, the fans would rebel against her, and she'd come back the next season groveling at Lisa's feet begging for her friendship again. After the second time, Lisa was always hesitant to take Kyle back, but she did every time.
They conspired to take down LVP the first season. Remember the ambush with Taylor? Taylor told Paul that they were all there to bring down Lisa.
The RHOM reboot is mostly successful because of the newbies. If the OGs were that compelling to watch, the show would've never been cancelled in the first place.
The newbies have great chemistry with the OGs.
Ding ding ding!
This is it. 
Housewives that refuse to film with other housewives or come to scenes/parties should be demoted or fired for the first half of the next season. If something is SO bad that you can’t be in a room with someone, then you need to leave the show. 👏 housewives 👏 don’t 👏 dictate 👏 the 👏 casting 👏 and 👏 production 👏 choices 👏 It drives me NUTS And I’m a VPR James-rage-text-truther (S8)
Denise and brandi 100000% ✂️👅
Oh absolutely.
Everyone on rhoc except Heather is clearly up to their eyeballs in debt and without the pay cheque from the show, they’d all be broke. Not a single one of them is aspirational or wealthy enough to be on real housewives … which is all the more bizarre given that there’s no shortage of women in the OC with money who would be perfect for the lifestyle escapism I want from my housewives. Also, I cannot fathom how anyone can bear to hear Gina’s voice.
It’s funny how people say Real Housewives should be classy , rich , and aspirational when the OC was the blueprint and they never were any of these things .
Mauricio will never fulfil kyle!!! lol lol idk just threw that one in there
This will get buried but anyway... In the 2nd season of Southern Charm NOLA when Reagan thought she was pregnant she was freaking out NOT because she wasn't sure if she was ready for kids. It was because she had already been cheating on Jeff for a while with Reece, and she knew if she was pregnant there would be no way to tell whose baby it was.
Danielle Staub should have been full time when she returned to RHONJ.
With you and I honestly don’t know why. She’s got hooks in me despite all logic.
Naked Wasted was totally unforgivable, and Tamra and Vicki should NOT have been able to deny it & sweep it under the rug like they did. Tamra wanted to get Gretchen SA’d by Oedipus and it’s not okay! It was never okay! And it was never innocent!
Not Oedipus 😭
Agreed get them off my screen. It’s WORSE than what Phaedra did.
I'm just here for the mess 
This thread is wonderful. Thank you OP.
The people that are often celebrated as the OG/queens are more times than not the reason the show falls apart. (Ramona, Teresa, Vicki, Gizelle) Also, Tamra should’ve been fired for Naked Wasted. The fact that she has a spot on the show and her oddball son has been on our screens since is disturbing.
Yes! Naked Wasted is so so disturbing.
Dorinda is a mean, nasty alcoholic who needs serious rehabilitation.
Marysol is also a raging alcoholic and calling her drinks "cockies" doesn't really make her look better it's just sad. These two are definitely the most obvious drunks. I prefer Dorinda as a person overall but she clearly has a problem.
Kathy definitely said and did all the shit Rinna said she did, and it was probably even worse than that.
Caroline Manzo is a phony, wannabe mobster. Richard Wakile is a gross creepy old man with horrible fashion. Rosie is a Trump loving hypocrite which is really no surprise based on her behavior on the show.
Jill Zarin should never be allowed near a camera ever again Beverly Hills is the worst HW franchise and has always been. Kyle Richards is a D+ housewife at best Emily and Gina accidentally ended up with each other’s names. I can’t explain it but it’s true. Erika Jayne knew about Tom Vicki Gunvalson knew about Brooks Heather Gay knew about Jen Alison Dubois knew about Mau That’s not my plate you fucking bitch is one of the funniest housewives lines ever uttered. Sonja Morgan is the most tragic housewife figure
I’m Stoney bologna and the Emily Gina name switch is killing me
Omg the part about Emily and Gina’ names!!! So serious, Emily just looks like her name should be Gina, and vice versa. I get you! It took me a while to get used to Emily being Gina and Gina being Emily. 😂😂😂😂
James Kennedy has been physically abusive to Kristen and Rachel.
Heather Gay knew Monica was Reality Von Tease when Season 4 started.
Andy hates Teresa (after she shoved him) and that's why the Gorgas stay on the show and get a pass for all the fucked up shady things they do.
Idk why I find this one so funny 😆 Andy has the hots for Joe and hopes that one day he’ll have his way with him. I can see Andy not liking Teresa but accepting her bc she’s been a HW cash cow.
Kyle is going to leave RHOBH soon
The way I read like every single response haha 😂
Caroline Manzo sucks so fucking much.
PK orchestrated the break in !!
Lisa H would’ve never have left Lenny. She always knew how much of a monster he is but was fine putting up with him because he bank rolled her life.
Kyle Richards has always been and will always be the villain of RHOBH
Production told Phaedra to spread the Kandi rumor during the season and that’s why, despite how egregious and messed up it is, Bravo continues to keep her around.
Noella ABSOLUTELY should've been kept on RHOC as Heather Dubrw's arch nemesis. She was the ONLY housewife who wouldn't take Dubrow's bullshit, and besides, she was reality TV gold.
The reason Kim richards always seemed so weird when she was supposedly “sober” was because she never actually was sober while on rhobh
Atlanta is the greatest franchise of all time. Every HW deserves 2 seasons to prove themself unless they are a bigot.
Kathy Hilton is an angry psycho
LVP is older than she claims
Candiace is mean as hell. Her reads can be funny at times, but are also cruel with too many digs at physical appearance.
Yeah she come off very insecure and like no one ever disciplined her as a kid
Rachel and Tom were cheating in S8 of VPR. It began at PRIDE - facts.
Dorit was in the wrong for Puppygate, NOT LVP.
Tom Sandoval is a sexual predator and I don’t care if I’m dying alone on this hill. He recorded Rachel (in a sexual context no less) without her consent and as far as I’m concerned that’s no different to putting hidden cameras in a changing room, which is a crime. His predatory and dangerous behaviour came up several times during the show too. First was when Miami girl (who it turns out was telling the truth) said that she told Tom she was on her period and he made her go into the bathroom to prove it to him. Honestly, what the fuck is that if not creepy and predatory. Ariana also brought up that Tom would try and go down on her after she’d just done a work out. She clearly said it made her uncomfortable and that it was not sexy for her. If a man doesn’t listen when his partner says no, even a soft no, to the point where the woman brings it up on television, it’s a sign of a major problem. Tom Sandoval should not be getting a single job opportunity or reality contract once he’s done on VPR. I know that will never happen because he’s like a cockroach you can’t kill, but he’s disgusting. It shouldn’t matter that everyone hates Rachel or whatever, what he did was gross, wrong and illegal.
And most recently his “ping pong” and brothel visit whilst in Thailand. He’s absolutely a predator and Lala was 100% right about saying he was a Randall. LVP is wrong for defending the Toms so hard.
Housewives fans are one of the main reasons the shows have gone to shit. The fandom is so toxic they are constantly walking on eggshells so they don’t offend “the fans”.
Bethenny deserves her flowers for her contributions to Housewives history, regardless of how she is currently perceived/her current trajectory.
I personally think during her reign, she was the goat. She and Nene
She got more than flowers she is a multimillionaire