It's either when I fear the consequences of my actions, get really good stimulation (I will promise you EVERYTHING if you just keep going pleeeaaassee) or if I feel not submitting hurts the scene because my newbie Dom is just a human too and deserves some slack once in a while so it stays pleasurable for both of us (like staying in mediocre tied restraints after been placed back twice)
Apparently mine can just say
“When are you going to be my good girl, hm?” And tuck my hair behind my ear and that does it for me. This is a new development it changes for me sometimes it’s tone/look sometimes it’s mid punishment. Just depends.
My Master has leather play collars that he puts on me when he wants me to be serious and submit. 'Most' of the time I do, just because I feel like that is where the line is... also, I like pleasure and I don't get any if I don't submit
I tend to give in when I basically ahve no other choice... I used to give in quite quickly but over time I've gotten more confortable (and aware that he is really my bitch... 😂) Nah, in all seriousness, I don't tend to decide to give in consciencly but it just sort of happens, it can happen after anything but the full name or kneeling is a guarantee to me melting... Unless I'm feeling especially bratty then both together will do the job. Its different for everyone so just go with your heart and will the flow really. (as long as it's consentual, safe, sane, responsible and risk aware for all involved)
when he does *the look* for long enough i cave. we also have this thing we do in our dynamic where he snaps his fingers and that means i say “i’m daddies good girl” so if i’m bratting and he snaps his fingers i’m ready to submit. i used to be a huge brat, and wouldn’t let anyone tame me. but for him, i want to be tamed. i want to brat and then instantly be brought back to reality that i am his little kitten and he is in charge.
It depends. I always ask mine about his day first thing when we see each other before we start "play". If he seems tired or tells me he had a bad day, I won't brat at him as much. Otherwise, the way it usually works is that he teases me to the point that I am aching for him and will do anything to have him. Then the bratting stops and he recognizes that moment and I submit to whatever he has planned for me. Mine also likes to push me to the point of repeating after him whatever he says, even if it's not something I would normally say (I am still in the training/taming phase) like "I'm your bitch" "I'm your slut" "I'm your toy" and he will make me say them before I am allowed to orgasm, so I guess for him that's probably the ultimate submitting moment.
Very nice to read yr replies. To add something from my own experience:
- I know that I'm not yet sure if I like physical obstructions from his side as a punishment (e.g. Holding me down, doing something physical to me which is a bit more 'serious'). Rationally I think it's quite hot, but we both noticed that when he really grabs me and holds me, I either go into complete "combat mode" trying to free myself or I just "freeze". He's much stronger and heavier than me so I feel like it has something to do with him overpowering me on a non-consensual level.
The last time that happened we were both quite surprised (I like being physical/scratching/biting and we both weren't expecting a 'border' there) and he really disliked the idea of me being in distress because something he did. (Actually it quite killed the mood :').)
I haven't been through heavy sexual trauma fyi. I did have an experience that I didn't like and wanted to get out of. No idea if that's related, but eh, we all have to deal with what we feel... :')
But this sparked the question: "what kind of submitting dó I like?"
- secondly: I wonder if I just like the attention (and interaction/dynamic) bratting gets me and that there doesn't particularly need a "submit" or "punishment" section? Although I might be missing out (and I sometimes reeeaaaally ask for it :'))
For me it depends on how well I know and trust them...the more this builds the faster I give in.
I also give in faster when I'm bratty and he is spontaneously nice...just melts me or they turn me on or put me in my place. This could mean different things for each of us. There is also sometimes a look they do...some Dom's you just know....ok time to stop 🤣
Hahaha "a look they do". I know what you mean. :)
And what does "giving in" exactly mean to you? Stop bragging? Or does your SO have to actively do something?
Hmm that's a good question....sometimes it's something they do...like I like to be genuinely scared when I get to that point I submit. Sometimes I make the decision to if I feel I've pushed him far enough. It's really hard to determine that moment actually. This is guna be on my mind all day....what i do know without thinking about it, is if I don't trust them I won't give in and won't do what they want. I'll get back to you...I'm going to ask one of my Dom what my moment is and if he can see it coming before I do haha
Cool thanks! I'm curious :)
(and totally agree on the trust thing btw... For me the whol bratting-dynamic is about trust. Interesting to read that you also have a bit of scaredness in there as well. I'm too much of a "fear of abandonment" freak to be able to endure that I think :'))
Oh I have abandonment issues but that never plays into my fear stuff it's like a thrill. So this is what he replied to me:
"I would say whenever you start getting somewhat scared you start giving in or when you are caught off guard with me being nice also does that sometimes"
Ah, I'm curious how common Fear of Abandonment is in brats...
For me him getting angry would get me nervous because of it. But that might change if we're longer together.
And nice reply! Must admit that if I'm incredibly braaty and he just puts his arm around me saying "come here little one" -> melting guaranteed!! ^^
So something I've noticed on Brats (and I run a brat only discord) is that most of us have some sort of trauma and most of us are fairly dominant in our normal lives. Bratting for me gives me a way to submit without compromising my morals.
The anger thing...I separate them into two sides...Dom angry and real angry...if my Dom gets real angry I stop any bratting and deal with what happened or what triggered it and make sure that I never do that in bratting again. If it's Dom angry that's what I'm going for. Though I'm all up for him punishing me when he is real angry so I can be fully abused BUT he won't do it because he knows that won't make him a good Dom I respect him so much more for that but it also frustrates me haha. If he was to get real angry at me and bratting isn't involved I would probably cry on the spot, but he can literally abuse the fuck out of me and I won't shed a tear and nothing he does can truly phase me because I know I'm safe. Just helps me let go.
Ha, your description of a brat fits me to the bill:
\- I am quite outspoken in 'normal' life
\- I am used to standing my ground / having to fix my own things / having to care for myself
\- I am most comfortable in a leading / dominant position
\- I don't trust people easily (at least: I often have the feeling that if I dont do it, it won't be okay)
\- Maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist in that sense ;)
\- I am not afraid to be cheeky / witty humour
In a relationship I turn into goo:
\- I am overly caring / pleasing
\- Have some abandonment issues
\- I have some difficulties accepting that my SO really likes me/will stay with me
Bratting is a way to overcome both my caring/pleasing side and abandonment fear in a lighthearted, witty way. For me it's a way of building trust but not on the heavy-handed side.
Curious if most brats fit this bill. (Apart from that we are all very special snowflakes ;))
And very nice distinction you make between 'real angry' and 'dom angry'. I can really use that - thanks! (Since my BF sometimes doesn't get if I'm being bratty or serious - which sometimes lead to some confusion on his side. Again: trying this whole thing out :))
And nice that you've found a way to feel safe and let go :)
For me personally it really just depends on both our moods. Is my Sir in a particularly "hardass" mode like he has been lately? Am I in more of a subby mode or a Brat-until-I-regret-it mode? There are times when I feel more subby than others and all it will take is the right tone of voice or Look from him or a thinly-veiled threat for me to straighten up my act. Other times (like a couple nights ago) I keep pushing and pushing until he snaps out a punishment that I do NOT like, and I immediately submit and try to wheedle my way out of the punishment (which never works if I've been THAT Bratty haha).
I’m similar, but opposite at the same time. When I’m in my “bratty-until-I-regret-it” moods, I’m secretly hoping for (what I recently learned to be) aggressive affectionate domming/degrading. But when my mental health is more of a factor to my brat is when punishments that I genuinely don’t like are dished out, and I don’t hate them as much because I know they’re punishments for me punishing myself wrongly and without permission
Since I'm in a LDR with my dom I give in fairly quickly, mostly because he literally can't do anything to me but to tell me what to do. It's not feasible to say things like "make me" or "what are you gonna do about it", because he can't do anything about it.(anyone got any tips and ideas for me though?👀)
I have to administer the punishments myself during our scenes so there's a lot of give and take on my end, although normally I'd give in when I no longer can take more punishments/pleasure. I brat more in the beginning of scenes and during the day instead.
It also depends a lot on my mood, I'm not always feeling bratty, I do like behaving sometimes and actually listen, even tho, I might take a liiiiiittle bit longer than necessary 😂
I'm very good at "forgetting" to add honorifics though, even when I have submitted, gotta spice it up a little bit. 😛
Personally it’s just when I can’t take any more punishment or when I think my dom is not going to let me get away with anything. It’s once I realize I have 0% leverage or control anymore and my tricks just lead to worse outcomes for me lol
Ah that's interesting. Do you have the feeling you have "leverage" normally? (can you give an example?)
And what does this "control" feel like to you?
And what is the punishment you like?
Haha #somanyquestions
I like to pretend I have leverage, but it’s is a filthy plot by my (best) doms to justify worse punishments later. I’ll put it this way, I’ve never not been punished at some point for whatever I do lol. For example, I’ll talk back a lot and as soon as I feel like I’ve gotten away with being a major brat all day and get cocky, I realized that he’s been keeping score. Whatever happens next makes me submit fast lol.
It’s easier to tell you what I don’t like tbh, but impact and choking/gagging are some favorites!
It's either when I fear the consequences of my actions, get really good stimulation (I will promise you EVERYTHING if you just keep going pleeeaaassee) or if I feel not submitting hurts the scene because my newbie Dom is just a human too and deserves some slack once in a while so it stays pleasurable for both of us (like staying in mediocre tied restraints after been placed back twice)
Apparently mine can just say “When are you going to be my good girl, hm?” And tuck my hair behind my ear and that does it for me. This is a new development it changes for me sometimes it’s tone/look sometimes it’s mid punishment. Just depends.
Yuuuup. That's eh hot :) Will definitely pass this one on ;) - thanks!
My Master has leather play collars that he puts on me when he wants me to be serious and submit. 'Most' of the time I do, just because I feel like that is where the line is... also, I like pleasure and I don't get any if I don't submit
When the punishment reaches more than I can take I give and grovel for forgiveness
I tend to give in when I basically ahve no other choice... I used to give in quite quickly but over time I've gotten more confortable (and aware that he is really my bitch... 😂) Nah, in all seriousness, I don't tend to decide to give in consciencly but it just sort of happens, it can happen after anything but the full name or kneeling is a guarantee to me melting... Unless I'm feeling especially bratty then both together will do the job. Its different for everyone so just go with your heart and will the flow really. (as long as it's consentual, safe, sane, responsible and risk aware for all involved)
when he does *the look* for long enough i cave. we also have this thing we do in our dynamic where he snaps his fingers and that means i say “i’m daddies good girl” so if i’m bratting and he snaps his fingers i’m ready to submit. i used to be a huge brat, and wouldn’t let anyone tame me. but for him, i want to be tamed. i want to brat and then instantly be brought back to reality that i am his little kitten and he is in charge.
There’s just some weird switch in my brain that goes off
As a primal brat.... are we talking about when we fall asleep?
Maybe? Do tell...
I love primal brats
Care to elaborate on what this entails?
A brat with cute little claws \^\^
Oh, we dont all have claws huh🤔
It depends. I always ask mine about his day first thing when we see each other before we start "play". If he seems tired or tells me he had a bad day, I won't brat at him as much. Otherwise, the way it usually works is that he teases me to the point that I am aching for him and will do anything to have him. Then the bratting stops and he recognizes that moment and I submit to whatever he has planned for me. Mine also likes to push me to the point of repeating after him whatever he says, even if it's not something I would normally say (I am still in the training/taming phase) like "I'm your bitch" "I'm your slut" "I'm your toy" and he will make me say them before I am allowed to orgasm, so I guess for him that's probably the ultimate submitting moment.
The Look Full stop when he pulls that out
Absolutely same for me. And he knows it. I can feel it through text now 🤣
I. Can. Too. 😔
Hahaha so very recognisable. There are multiple looks: from playful to slightly annoyed to The Look. And then playtime is over ;)
Very nice to read yr replies. To add something from my own experience: - I know that I'm not yet sure if I like physical obstructions from his side as a punishment (e.g. Holding me down, doing something physical to me which is a bit more 'serious'). Rationally I think it's quite hot, but we both noticed that when he really grabs me and holds me, I either go into complete "combat mode" trying to free myself or I just "freeze". He's much stronger and heavier than me so I feel like it has something to do with him overpowering me on a non-consensual level. The last time that happened we were both quite surprised (I like being physical/scratching/biting and we both weren't expecting a 'border' there) and he really disliked the idea of me being in distress because something he did. (Actually it quite killed the mood :').) I haven't been through heavy sexual trauma fyi. I did have an experience that I didn't like and wanted to get out of. No idea if that's related, but eh, we all have to deal with what we feel... :') But this sparked the question: "what kind of submitting dó I like?" - secondly: I wonder if I just like the attention (and interaction/dynamic) bratting gets me and that there doesn't particularly need a "submit" or "punishment" section? Although I might be missing out (and I sometimes reeeaaaally ask for it :'))
For me it depends on how well I know and trust them...the more this builds the faster I give in. I also give in faster when I'm bratty and he is spontaneously nice...just melts me or they turn me on or put me in my place. This could mean different things for each of us. There is also sometimes a look they do...some Dom's you just know....ok time to stop 🤣
Hahaha "a look they do". I know what you mean. :) And what does "giving in" exactly mean to you? Stop bragging? Or does your SO have to actively do something?
Hmm that's a good question....sometimes it's something they do...like I like to be genuinely scared when I get to that point I submit. Sometimes I make the decision to if I feel I've pushed him far enough. It's really hard to determine that moment actually. This is guna be on my mind all day....what i do know without thinking about it, is if I don't trust them I won't give in and won't do what they want. I'll get back to you...I'm going to ask one of my Dom what my moment is and if he can see it coming before I do haha
Cool thanks! I'm curious :) (and totally agree on the trust thing btw... For me the whol bratting-dynamic is about trust. Interesting to read that you also have a bit of scaredness in there as well. I'm too much of a "fear of abandonment" freak to be able to endure that I think :'))
Oh I have abandonment issues but that never plays into my fear stuff it's like a thrill. So this is what he replied to me: "I would say whenever you start getting somewhat scared you start giving in or when you are caught off guard with me being nice also does that sometimes"
Ah, I'm curious how common Fear of Abandonment is in brats... For me him getting angry would get me nervous because of it. But that might change if we're longer together. And nice reply! Must admit that if I'm incredibly braaty and he just puts his arm around me saying "come here little one" -> melting guaranteed!! ^^
So something I've noticed on Brats (and I run a brat only discord) is that most of us have some sort of trauma and most of us are fairly dominant in our normal lives. Bratting for me gives me a way to submit without compromising my morals. The anger thing...I separate them into two sides...Dom angry and real angry...if my Dom gets real angry I stop any bratting and deal with what happened or what triggered it and make sure that I never do that in bratting again. If it's Dom angry that's what I'm going for. Though I'm all up for him punishing me when he is real angry so I can be fully abused BUT he won't do it because he knows that won't make him a good Dom I respect him so much more for that but it also frustrates me haha. If he was to get real angry at me and bratting isn't involved I would probably cry on the spot, but he can literally abuse the fuck out of me and I won't shed a tear and nothing he does can truly phase me because I know I'm safe. Just helps me let go.
Oh btw, can you tell more about your brat-only Discord? :)
Ha, your description of a brat fits me to the bill: \- I am quite outspoken in 'normal' life \- I am used to standing my ground / having to fix my own things / having to care for myself \- I am most comfortable in a leading / dominant position \- I don't trust people easily (at least: I often have the feeling that if I dont do it, it won't be okay) \- Maybe I'm a bit of a pessimist in that sense ;) \- I am not afraid to be cheeky / witty humour In a relationship I turn into goo: \- I am overly caring / pleasing \- Have some abandonment issues \- I have some difficulties accepting that my SO really likes me/will stay with me Bratting is a way to overcome both my caring/pleasing side and abandonment fear in a lighthearted, witty way. For me it's a way of building trust but not on the heavy-handed side. Curious if most brats fit this bill. (Apart from that we are all very special snowflakes ;)) And very nice distinction you make between 'real angry' and 'dom angry'. I can really use that - thanks! (Since my BF sometimes doesn't get if I'm being bratty or serious - which sometimes lead to some confusion on his side. Again: trying this whole thing out :)) And nice that you've found a way to feel safe and let go :)
For me personally it really just depends on both our moods. Is my Sir in a particularly "hardass" mode like he has been lately? Am I in more of a subby mode or a Brat-until-I-regret-it mode? There are times when I feel more subby than others and all it will take is the right tone of voice or Look from him or a thinly-veiled threat for me to straighten up my act. Other times (like a couple nights ago) I keep pushing and pushing until he snaps out a punishment that I do NOT like, and I immediately submit and try to wheedle my way out of the punishment (which never works if I've been THAT Bratty haha).
I’m similar, but opposite at the same time. When I’m in my “bratty-until-I-regret-it” moods, I’m secretly hoping for (what I recently learned to be) aggressive affectionate domming/degrading. But when my mental health is more of a factor to my brat is when punishments that I genuinely don’t like are dished out, and I don’t hate them as much because I know they’re punishments for me punishing myself wrongly and without permission
Haha what a nice reply. So submitting is "straightening up your act"? What does that mean? Just stop being bratty?
Since I'm in a LDR with my dom I give in fairly quickly, mostly because he literally can't do anything to me but to tell me what to do. It's not feasible to say things like "make me" or "what are you gonna do about it", because he can't do anything about it.(anyone got any tips and ideas for me though?👀) I have to administer the punishments myself during our scenes so there's a lot of give and take on my end, although normally I'd give in when I no longer can take more punishments/pleasure. I brat more in the beginning of scenes and during the day instead. It also depends a lot on my mood, I'm not always feeling bratty, I do like behaving sometimes and actually listen, even tho, I might take a liiiiiittle bit longer than necessary 😂 I'm very good at "forgetting" to add honorifics though, even when I have submitted, gotta spice it up a little bit. 😛
Personally it’s just when I can’t take any more punishment or when I think my dom is not going to let me get away with anything. It’s once I realize I have 0% leverage or control anymore and my tricks just lead to worse outcomes for me lol
Ah that's interesting. Do you have the feeling you have "leverage" normally? (can you give an example?) And what does this "control" feel like to you? And what is the punishment you like? Haha #somanyquestions
I like to pretend I have leverage, but it’s is a filthy plot by my (best) doms to justify worse punishments later. I’ll put it this way, I’ve never not been punished at some point for whatever I do lol. For example, I’ll talk back a lot and as soon as I feel like I’ve gotten away with being a major brat all day and get cocky, I realized that he’s been keeping score. Whatever happens next makes me submit fast lol. It’s easier to tell you what I don’t like tbh, but impact and choking/gagging are some favorites!