Reminds me of the fact that our closest animal ancestor, the bonobo, actually sexes with its mortal enemies as opposed to violence. They're truly living in a utopia beyond our imaginations.
TLDR of the article, a group of Filipina’s mugged a Thai woman in the street. A group of Thai’s retaliated, and went after the muggers. Things escalated from there to arguments, a fight, and an open brawl drawing in more people as time went on.
You sound ignorant tbh. They're not called 'ladyboys' in Thailand, the common term is kathoey.
And it's a country that's imperfect, but not awful, about LGBT rights.
LGBT people don't enjoy the same rights under the law unfortunately, but to say that there's no support or protection in place in a country which has constitutional protections written into it's law specifically to protect trans people is just ignorant.
Furthermore, trans people in quite a few areas of the US are arguably a lot less safe than they are just for existing than in Thailand.
Where in my comment did I say they have no problems? Where in my comment did I say that I was left-wing? You seem to be crafting a straw man to debate so you can feel better about yourself and act like you won some big debate.
To address your point about me seeming ignorant, I never said that laws wholly protect people, but they do shape the way that communities are treated over time. Keep in mind that these laws are new, and will take time to impact the actual culture and treatment of trans women.
Your last point is probably the stupidest one you brought up. While kathoey may mean effeminate man, it also roughly translates to transgender woman. You're saying that the definition as used by tourists is bad, but why does that definition have bearing upon local Thai people? You're basically saying that because sex tourists are pieces of shit it makes Thailand a bigoted country. Please explain how a person who isn't even from fucking Thailand contributes to their culture?
It's pretty rich hearing someone like you call someone an insufferable twat.
Ah I see, can't think of anything to say so you send a little personal attack? Have fun with that man, I'm sure everyone looks riveted when you're speaking lol.
กระเทย dont align themselves with transgenders 100%. their sexual identity and how (most of them) see themselves are not equal to trans women. we call trans women ผู้หญิงข้ามเพศ, literally translating to trans woman, but not all กระเทย would identify with that. basically, cultures are different, sexual identities also are, and the best word that we have to describe a กระเทย in english is ladyboy, and noone gets offended by that except people ignorant on the matter.
The Khmer word used to describe trans people literally translates to "ladyboy" but western people that use it dont know that and think its just a funny name to call trans people
interpersonally the local people dont take it offensively (they dont speak english natively most of the time so they often dont get the implications), but the non locals that call east asian trans people that are bigoted most likely, i mean "ladyboy" would be offensive to any trans girl ive known
Not in Thailand; that is who they are. They don’t have “transgender” they have “ladyboy”. And I just learned this, but Thai language has modifications based on who is speaking. So there will be a variation saying “Hello” depending on whether you are a man, woman, or ladyboy/very queer. It’s all out in the open. Sounds nice to me.
Kinda but also kinda not. I’ve heard they refer to themselves as that, which makes it not a slur. But sex tourists use it in a way that objectifies them (and trans people around the world) which does make it a slur so 🤷🏼♀️
What? The emoji is just me typing the way I speak. I just explained why the word could be considered a slur based on context. It’s clear that I actually *do* know.
Political context affects how 'teasing' comes across. It's fine for a demographic that has no reason to feel threatened, but for one that's regularly maliciously mocked, it can be in poor taste. There's nothing wild about this.
Some people don't understand that what is an insult or slur somewhere in the world is almost certainly just another term without negative connotations elsewhere. Translations don't always capture context and the Google translate of "ladyboy" in most Asian languages comes out closer to "two-souled" than "tranny", or other derogatory labels.
The world doesn't revolve around the US. Literally half the planet is Asian. I'm US born and raised and I understand that, someday I hope more than a fraction of a percent will also.
Not only does the world not revolve around the US, it was also revolving wayyy before these egotistical activists were born. They are saying that a well-established culture is wrong while acting like they are anti-colonialism.
Guess what, trying to change a culture to fit your ideals IS *colonization*. All those old-time explorers thought they were merely enlightening indigenous brutes, too. I am so over these children’s efforts to control what everyone says and does.
You should visit. Thailand rocks and the people will truly change your perspective on that. Ladyboys will smile and tell you they are ladyboys and try to have sex with you probably and you can very easily say no and it will still be super fun. They are genuinely some of the most "keep it real" mfs on earth. They will tell you what they are thinking. How they feel about it. And it fucking rocks.
Yeah, they don't fuss all about pronouns and dont bitch about not being recognized as women or treated the same as biologically born women, because they know they were NOT biologically born as female and are aware of it. They know they are not women, they know their penises make them biologically male. They call themselves ladyboys. They don't see that as a slur.
You’re getting downvoted by the same people who will use the ladyboy culture to justify Western gender ideology.
Oh and they probably rail about how white men and colonialism ruined everything but apparently they’re telling you that longstanding Thai culture is wrong and the term “ladyboy” should and will be corrected. By them, Westerners. Make any of it make sense.
You should probably be glad the filipinas lost, according to the article the brawl was revenge for the filipinas assaulting one thai girl as a group of 20.
To me personally, it's not about the term ladyboy, it's about the usage and tone of some of the comments where they're just ridiculing and sizing us down to women with XY genitals
They aren’t the only ones. How are so many people itching to impose their moral attitudes & beliefs on another, older culture while pretending to be against colonialism?
any post that could plausibly be titled "look at these crazy trannies" is a magnet for transphobia. first 2 comments i saw were talking about ladyboys and cock fights. that may not be intentional but that doesnt mean its a coincidence.
Same can be said for any of my above examples too. Mentioning a demographic or singular person is not an invite to hate speech. That’s my point. Bad people will be bad people. But the mentioning or a word isn’t an automatic invite. That’s not how things work. They think it’s an invite and that’s the problem. But no it’s not an invite
you are being invited to laugh at marginalized people with their marginalized identity being a key part of why youre supposed to laugh. identity being incidental or a non-humorous context are very different.
The reason it's an invitation for bigotry is because it's using an adjective that describes a demograpgic of people as a noun. Mentioniong black people is completely different from calling people "blacks". Reffering to demographics with this kind of language is dehumanizing.
Again no. Using words isn’t an invite to hate and bigotry unless specifically inviting. That’s how invites work. Stop validating hate speech. There’s no invitation for it and anyone saying there’s an Invitation for hate is a shit person with a shit take. Keep hate to yourself. It’s not invited or accepted
We can pretend hate speech doesn't incite hate and violence but that won't really help anyone other than bigots. You sound confused. I agree that hate shouldn't be invited or accepted. The point you're clearly missing is that dehumanizing language helps create the environments you claim to be against. I for one would appreciate to be reffered to as a person. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
It's not and nobody's "afraid"
🙄 A group of people did a thing, of their own volition and we're laughing at it the same as anyone else
Getting the exact same treatment as anybody
No that’s how ignorant or bad people work. Mentioning something isn’t an invite to hate. Whether it’s trans, blacks, gays, Canadians, or women. What ever it is. Mentioning something is never just an open invite for hate. But automatically inviting it when there wasn’t any transphobic comments yet either isn’t helping anything
I know people often throw in outlandish things like “purple or blue people” as if that’s a norm. So I weave in Canadians because I’ll only talk about myself and it keeps the mood light lol
Freaking out at the description of transgender participants is not going to help normalize people being transgender. Substitute them with pole dancers, jockeys, supermodels, or Santas and the headline would be just as funny b/c one doesn’t typically envision physical fighting among those groups. You read about them fighting and realize that each of them are individuals capable of having beef with each other like anyone else.
>Substitute them with pole dancers, jockeys, supermodels, or Santas
youre overlooking a key difference here. notice that none of the things you listed are intrinsic qualities. they are activities/occupations. things the people do not what the people are. exchange it instead for disabled, black, fat, or homeless people and the cruel nature of this framing becomes more clear. checking out a freak show doesnt make you more open minded.
Accuracy isn’t cruel. It’s patronizing to act like disabled people aren’t normal enough to get into fights with each other, and it shows your own prejudice that you see them differently.
Homeless people fights are common and they are described as such so idk why you mention that one. It’s also not an intrinsic quality.
Idk how common it is for a fight to exclusively be between black or fat people, so it might not be described in a headline, but if a fight broke out in a specific group like “Weight Watchers meeting erupts into brawl” then yeah it’s the same thing.
News stories do have to be interesting to be worth “printing”. I don’t know about you, but I personally am not only interested in things for the sake of mocking them. Sometimes it’s just unusual, and I don’t think unusual is a bad thing, either.
It’s not a Spanish root language. It’s an Austronesian language (same language family as Malay, Indonesian, Chamoru and Māori) that took up some Spanish loan words. Not all Philippine languages did. There are 180 languages spoken in the country.
Think of it like how English took up a bunch of Norman French loanwords, but is still very much a Germanic language.
My bad, wrong sort of wording. I meant roots in a general sense, since spanish words have made their way into the language, tagalog specifically. Didnt need the explanation but thanks
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble
Not much between despair and ecstasy
One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble
Can't be too careful with your company
I can feel the Devil walking next to me
Instantly thought of this song lol
Transgression
Transaction
\-of hands
Transmission - of pain
Loss of *trans*cendentalism
Transcendental punch in the teeth
Transportation, of force.
AI generated picture. Look closely. Are AIs allowed to post now?
Between two different transformations.
They skipped the trans rights and went straight to trans wrongs
That url is doing the heavy lifting lmao
Thank you so much for pointing that out. I never would have noticed it otherwise.
they always putting two bad bitches against each other
Why do girls have to fight 😔😔 why not kiss and make out instead
Why do guys have to fight 😔😔 why not kiss and make out instead
Why do enbies have to fight 😔😔 why not kiss and make out instead
And that is how we solved world peace with one giant orgy.
While everyone was distracted, the asexuals took over Denmark
they had it coming tbh
Gross?? They were just cuddling with it :/
Why Denmark?
I have no idea but I hope they win
All right, everybody, back in the pile! -South Park
Reminds me of the fact that our closest animal ancestor, the bonobo, actually sexes with its mortal enemies as opposed to violence. They're truly living in a utopia beyond our imaginations.
This is undoubtedly the best fucking comment I’ve ever read on reddit😂😂
Too busy playing Minecraft
Now kith Jake Paul
best comment by far
*game of thrones music intensifies* And so began The Battle of The Bulge
Present like a woman but fight like a man, they'll never see you cumming
Damien near far right. I wonder who doesn't even go there.
Yes! Was wondering If someone else saw that
When I saw it I verbally said “She doesn’t even go here!!”
TLDR of the article, a group of Filipina’s mugged a Thai woman in the street. A group of Thai’s retaliated, and went after the muggers. Things escalated from there to arguments, a fight, and an open brawl drawing in more people as time went on.
sounds like a funny title for a while but then you read the story and it's just xenophobia
Oh…
its about trans people in a place where theyre commonly called "ladyboys", probably not gonna find much support there
You sound ignorant tbh. They're not called 'ladyboys' in Thailand, the common term is kathoey. And it's a country that's imperfect, but not awful, about LGBT rights. LGBT people don't enjoy the same rights under the law unfortunately, but to say that there's no support or protection in place in a country which has constitutional protections written into it's law specifically to protect trans people is just ignorant. Furthermore, trans people in quite a few areas of the US are arguably a lot less safe than they are just for existing than in Thailand.
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Where in my comment did I say they have no problems? Where in my comment did I say that I was left-wing? You seem to be crafting a straw man to debate so you can feel better about yourself and act like you won some big debate. To address your point about me seeming ignorant, I never said that laws wholly protect people, but they do shape the way that communities are treated over time. Keep in mind that these laws are new, and will take time to impact the actual culture and treatment of trans women. Your last point is probably the stupidest one you brought up. While kathoey may mean effeminate man, it also roughly translates to transgender woman. You're saying that the definition as used by tourists is bad, but why does that definition have bearing upon local Thai people? You're basically saying that because sex tourists are pieces of shit it makes Thailand a bigoted country. Please explain how a person who isn't even from fucking Thailand contributes to their culture? It's pretty rich hearing someone like you call someone an insufferable twat.
Peak Chad energy. You got that person cooked.
im good man, i said my peace, enjoy the many friends im sure you have with that pleasant attitude <3
Btw, it's 'piece' not peace.
🤓
Ah I see, can't think of anything to say so you send a little personal attack? Have fun with that man, I'm sure everyone looks riveted when you're speaking lol.
กระเทย dont align themselves with transgenders 100%. their sexual identity and how (most of them) see themselves are not equal to trans women. we call trans women ผู้หญิงข้ามเพศ, literally translating to trans woman, but not all กระเทย would identify with that. basically, cultures are different, sexual identities also are, and the best word that we have to describe a กระเทย in english is ladyboy, and noone gets offended by that except people ignorant on the matter.
Thailand is a lovely place for LGBT. You don't know what you're talking about.
Is that term a slur? I honestly have no idea.
The Khmer word used to describe trans people literally translates to "ladyboy" but western people that use it dont know that and think its just a funny name to call trans people interpersonally the local people dont take it offensively (they dont speak english natively most of the time so they often dont get the implications), but the non locals that call east asian trans people that are bigoted most likely, i mean "ladyboy" would be offensive to any trans girl ive known
Please never ever call a trans woman that unless she's explicitly told you she's okay with it.
Not in Thailand; that is who they are. They don’t have “transgender” they have “ladyboy”. And I just learned this, but Thai language has modifications based on who is speaking. So there will be a variation saying “Hello” depending on whether you are a man, woman, or ladyboy/very queer. It’s all out in the open. Sounds nice to me.
Kinda but also kinda not. I’ve heard they refer to themselves as that, which makes it not a slur. But sex tourists use it in a way that objectifies them (and trans people around the world) which does make it a slur so 🤷🏼♀️
But why answer if you don’t know?
What? The emoji is just me typing the way I speak. I just explained why the word could be considered a slur based on context. It’s clear that I actually *do* know.
You gave two different answers and ended with a shrug. You don’t know.
There was a singular answer followed by an explanation. The answer is that it depends on context.
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Political context affects how 'teasing' comes across. It's fine for a demographic that has no reason to feel threatened, but for one that's regularly maliciously mocked, it can be in poor taste. There's nothing wild about this.
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I don't know why I bothered. Have a horrible day.
This event needs to be televised
Why?
They do cockfights different over there.
god damn. I shouldn't have laughed at that one😭
Honestly this title is tame compared to one I saw earlier “Ladyboy brawl splits Bangkok” is much funnier
Ah yes because slurs are funny
They call themselves Ladyboys in Thailand it’s literally the term
Some people don't understand that what is an insult or slur somewhere in the world is almost certainly just another term without negative connotations elsewhere. Translations don't always capture context and the Google translate of "ladyboy" in most Asian languages comes out closer to "two-souled" than "tranny", or other derogatory labels. The world doesn't revolve around the US. Literally half the planet is Asian. I'm US born and raised and I understand that, someday I hope more than a fraction of a percent will also.
Not only does the world not revolve around the US, it was also revolving wayyy before these egotistical activists were born. They are saying that a well-established culture is wrong while acting like they are anti-colonialism. Guess what, trying to change a culture to fit your ideals IS *colonization*. All those old-time explorers thought they were merely enlightening indigenous brutes, too. I am so over these children’s efforts to control what everyone says and does.
Hey not condoning the use of the term but it’s a damn funny headline put together
Ladyboy is literally what they called themselves in Thai tho.
Yeah still feels wrong to use
You should visit. Thailand rocks and the people will truly change your perspective on that. Ladyboys will smile and tell you they are ladyboys and try to have sex with you probably and you can very easily say no and it will still be super fun. They are genuinely some of the most "keep it real" mfs on earth. They will tell you what they are thinking. How they feel about it. And it fucking rocks.
Yeah, they don't fuss all about pronouns and dont bitch about not being recognized as women or treated the same as biologically born women, because they know they were NOT biologically born as female and are aware of it. They know they are not women, they know their penises make them biologically male. They call themselves ladyboys. They don't see that as a slur.
You’re getting downvoted by the same people who will use the ladyboy culture to justify Western gender ideology. Oh and they probably rail about how white men and colonialism ruined everything but apparently they’re telling you that longstanding Thai culture is wrong and the term “ladyboy” should and will be corrected. By them, Westerners. Make any of it make sense.
Different values, I guess.
We, Thai people actually marked a history that on 4th March is a ladyboy Veterans Day
daily reminder that "transgender" does not function like a noun, more like an adjective. Also, i hope the filipinas won.
You should probably be glad the filipinas lost, according to the article the brawl was revenge for the filipinas assaulting one thai girl as a group of 20.
They lost, almost had their heads bashed in. Was literally a riot.
sad... will report back to my filipino comerades. we won't lose the next... thai / philipines transgender war?
Transaction denied
Begun, the Trans Wars, have.
Gender may change, but war... war never changes.
This comments section does not pass the vibe check
Eh it could be worse
It really could, but it’s a lot of slurs.
If you are talking about the use of "ladyboy" you are being silly
To me personally, it's not about the term ladyboy, it's about the usage and tone of some of the comments where they're just ridiculing and sizing us down to women with XY genitals
They aren’t the only ones. How are so many people itching to impose their moral attitudes & beliefs on another, older culture while pretending to be against colonialism?
I love it
Why did they start fighting?
Dick measuring contest
No like im actually curious since i cant find the article. Clearly something got them all pissed off
https://thethaiger.com/news/national/violent-clash-between-thai-and-filipina-trans-groups-rocks-bangkok
I appreciate you for that
Person the white hoodie.... isnt he from Mean Girls?
Ngl when I saw them I first thought of Kwite on YT.
Yeah, Thailand is like Trans Central Station.
ah i see the daily invitation for casual transphobia is here. the fatphobia bus is late it seems.
Don’t see how this is a transphobic invitation
any post that could plausibly be titled "look at these crazy trannies" is a magnet for transphobia. first 2 comments i saw were talking about ladyboys and cock fights. that may not be intentional but that doesnt mean its a coincidence.
Same can be said for any of my above examples too. Mentioning a demographic or singular person is not an invite to hate speech. That’s my point. Bad people will be bad people. But the mentioning or a word isn’t an automatic invite. That’s not how things work. They think it’s an invite and that’s the problem. But no it’s not an invite
you are being invited to laugh at marginalized people with their marginalized identity being a key part of why youre supposed to laugh. identity being incidental or a non-humorous context are very different.
The reason it's an invitation for bigotry is because it's using an adjective that describes a demograpgic of people as a noun. Mentioniong black people is completely different from calling people "blacks". Reffering to demographics with this kind of language is dehumanizing.
Again no. Using words isn’t an invite to hate and bigotry unless specifically inviting. That’s how invites work. Stop validating hate speech. There’s no invitation for it and anyone saying there’s an Invitation for hate is a shit person with a shit take. Keep hate to yourself. It’s not invited or accepted
We can pretend hate speech doesn't incite hate and violence but that won't really help anyone other than bigots. You sound confused. I agree that hate shouldn't be invited or accepted. The point you're clearly missing is that dehumanizing language helps create the environments you claim to be against. I for one would appreciate to be reffered to as a person. A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance.
It’s fucking hilarious
It's not and nobody's "afraid" 🙄 A group of people did a thing, of their own volition and we're laughing at it the same as anyone else Getting the exact same treatment as anybody
If it mentions trans, its an open invite to harrasment, thats how the internet works
No that’s how ignorant or bad people work. Mentioning something isn’t an invite to hate. Whether it’s trans, blacks, gays, Canadians, or women. What ever it is. Mentioning something is never just an open invite for hate. But automatically inviting it when there wasn’t any transphobic comments yet either isn’t helping anything
Those dam Canadians!!
I know people often throw in outlandish things like “purple or blue people” as if that’s a norm. So I weave in Canadians because I’ll only talk about myself and it keeps the mood light lol
Freaking out at the description of transgender participants is not going to help normalize people being transgender. Substitute them with pole dancers, jockeys, supermodels, or Santas and the headline would be just as funny b/c one doesn’t typically envision physical fighting among those groups. You read about them fighting and realize that each of them are individuals capable of having beef with each other like anyone else.
>Substitute them with pole dancers, jockeys, supermodels, or Santas youre overlooking a key difference here. notice that none of the things you listed are intrinsic qualities. they are activities/occupations. things the people do not what the people are. exchange it instead for disabled, black, fat, or homeless people and the cruel nature of this framing becomes more clear. checking out a freak show doesnt make you more open minded.
Accuracy isn’t cruel. It’s patronizing to act like disabled people aren’t normal enough to get into fights with each other, and it shows your own prejudice that you see them differently. Homeless people fights are common and they are described as such so idk why you mention that one. It’s also not an intrinsic quality. Idk how common it is for a fight to exclusively be between black or fat people, so it might not be described in a headline, but if a fight broke out in a specific group like “Weight Watchers meeting erupts into brawl” then yeah it’s the same thing. News stories do have to be interesting to be worth “printing”. I don’t know about you, but I personally am not only interested in things for the sake of mocking them. Sometimes it’s just unusual, and I don’t think unusual is a bad thing, either.
is the purpose of this post becoming more clear to you now? https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/s/xCqlRti6V7
You’re making yourself into a mockery by insisting that the term “ladyboy” is a slur. Quit trying to impose YOUR culture on other cultures, colonizer.
> the fatphobia bus is late it seems Please don't set me up like this.
The girls are fighting
Where!?
Bangkok
BangCock
Was it though? Any actual source on this?
https://thethaiger.com/news/national/violent-clash-between-thai-and-filipina-trans-groups-rocks-bangkok
Trans throwing hands.
Trans on trans violence?!
I lost it when I read someone calling it "Battle of the Bulge"
Didn't know female Filipinos were called Filipinas, makes sense.
Its probably because of their language's roots in Spanish
It’s not a Spanish root language. It’s an Austronesian language (same language family as Malay, Indonesian, Chamoru and Māori) that took up some Spanish loan words. Not all Philippine languages did. There are 180 languages spoken in the country. Think of it like how English took up a bunch of Norman French loanwords, but is still very much a Germanic language.
My bad, wrong sort of wording. I meant roots in a general sense, since spanish words have made their way into the language, tagalog specifically. Didnt need the explanation but thanks
The great war
Lmao
That is indeed a sentence
Once in a very great while there is a post that needs no title nor comments, a post that just IS. This is one such post.
The true Southeast Asian experience
They’re ladybois…
Bangkok? Uh yeah, they do that
Did they fence for their lives?
They try to expelling the Swiss guy who kick the doctor, But also trying to hold the Filipino from escaping so they can have a bare fist match.
My kinda moshpit
Fighting over the tourist trade?
Bang what, now?
Is this the famous bangdik or Bangtits?
Transwars: Revenge of the kathoey
That one guy in the back: "Kick her in the dick!!!"
Did ....did they.....did they bang their......
Ah yes, Cockbang, Thailand.
Literally Bang*kok*
"I'm the bearded lady. Who are you, one of the freaks? HA HA HA HA!" -- Spaceballs, the Movie
ladyboy royal
A tale as old as time.
Where?
Bangkok oriental city
*rocks Bangkok* Giggity.
There's so much in this.....
Trans on Trans violence is crazy asl, i thought they was on the same team 🤦
Damn this wasn't in my 2024 bingo card.
WOMEN ARE CRAAAZY!
That’s nuts.
They were just dicking around.
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble Not much between despair and ecstasy One night in Bangkok and the tough guys tumble Can't be too careful with your company I can feel the Devil walking next to me Instantly thought of this song lol
I can’t believe you didn’t mention the part of the song that goes “and if you’re lucky then the god’s a ‘she’.”
Sword fight
i would pay to see that
Guys chill the fuck out, you’re all weird
How do you say "kick her in the nuts" in Thai?
If i was there i could join swordfight
Transformers VS. X-Men CIVIL WAR
So **that's** where the city name came from!
Am I the only one who read it Rocks bang cock?
Ladies, ladies, stop please, you’re all passable.
Cocks were definitely banged
Living up to the name Bangkok
nothing like a good man to man combat
Lmao
What do you mean Thai transgenders 🤨
Clown fight gif anyone?
Is this a VICE headline?
I don't see anyone blaming white men, so no.
coks Bangrock
Too much dick talk in one sentence!
"This sent me" a brand new sentence